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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2012, 20:52 »
It may not bear the name "Narconon", but it sounds like a Narconon to me, based on this other report: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10723.0.html

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2012, 21:00 »
It may not bear the name "Narconon", but it sounds like a Narconon to me, based on this other report: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10723.0.html

It's hard to believe that anyone else would be offering Scientology's training routines. I agree that many other aspects of the site don't resemble Narconon. I thought it might be a new low in deceptive advertising. 
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2012, 21:59 »
It may not bear the name "Narconon", but it sounds like a Narconon to me, based on this other report: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10723.0.html

OK, perhaps they are using the books but this is the first i have heard of it. Of course, I have been off the radar for a bit on and off over the last year so perhaps I missed something but my guess is that they included certain therapies in their program in order to gain CARF certification. Best Drug Rehab states that they give 1:1 counseling:
http://www.bestdrugrehabilitation.com/treatment-phases/one-on-one-counseling/

A Forever Recovery offers ( offered?) at least in early 2012, several different therapies . You can see this mentioned in the following correspondence between a woman who wrote me and my reply to her.
2 emails, received early 2012 froim which I obtained some of the info about other therapies ( which I later researched):

[..] Mary,

My goodness, am I glad I have found your voice on the internet! I have noticed your name attached to many impressive and intelligently written contributions to websites and forums about Scientology and Narconon. I've never been around Scientology nor have I or anyone close to me gone to a Narconon facility. Recently though, my xxxxxxXXX entered A Forever Recovery and now I'm trying to find out everything I can about it and Narconon and Scientology because the place just doesn't sit quite right with me. After searching for two weeks for information on Pamela Anderson, I found your following post on whyweprotest.net:

"All staff from Narconon Stonehawk went to work at A Forever recovery until Narcnon Freedom Center was legally set up. This as due to legal and tax problems Per and Kathleen Wickstroms had with each other as owners of Stonehawk and with Narconon International. Kathleen Wichstrom sued Per and Narconon Int while Per Wickstrom's brother, who runs Wickstrom Chevrolet, ran A Forever Recovery. He now has his car company corporate secretary, Pamela Anderson, running A Forever Recovery. She is listed as an officer with the state. This was also done to prevent Kathleen fromgetting at assets of Stonehawk. That backfired and they settled in court with her last year."

That is the best explanation I've seen of it's formation!

My XXXX entered rehab for alcohol abuse 3 weeks ago at A Forever Recovery. He underwent detox at a hospital prior to his admittance there, thank goodness. Two weeks ago I came across google reviews for AFR which lead me to ripoffreport which lead me to dig deeper and deeper online for information about the place. At that time, in my horror, I contacted my XXXX's XXXXXX with my concerns about the complaints I had read online, but XXX assured me that everything is ok with A Forever Recovery, it's not the same owners, it has nothing to do with Scientology, I must have been looking at reviews from when it was a Narconon facility, etc.. etc... He even had the intake counselor, Darwin (who completed the program there three years ago), call me to allay my fears, discuss the program, and answer all of my questions.

In spite of its dubious beginnings, do you know if my XXXXXXX can be effectively rehabilitated there? Is Pamela Anderson is a scientologist? Even if she is, does that necessarily mean the patients are exposed to it - or are there good people who come in and work one-on-one with the patients, oblivious to Scientology as a backdrop? Is AFR a front for Scientology? I guess I mainly want to know if my XXXXXXX is safe there and experiencing authentic rehab practices, to your knowledge. BTW, he is a XX-year-old male who knows what he believes, which perhaps insulates him from potential recruiting tactics. I know the interventionist begrudgingly referred him to AFR (but had no alternative due to insurance), managing to weakly tell me "they have a good program there".

I would greatly appreciate any additional information you may have about A Forever Recovery and how they conduct MRT/CBT (is it straight-up or do they put their own spin on it?). I do hope my XXXXX can take something away from his experience there and I believe he would be able to smell a rat. He called his XXXXX within the last few days and apparently sounded great. I don't know any details of their conversation.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read this email.
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My reply:

Dear ......,
 
Thank you so much for going out of your way to track me down for answers to your questions. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner but I have been away for a few days and just received your email.
 
First I want to assure you that if  XXXXXX is doing well in his recovery so far and is interested in the MRT/CBT, go for it.  The MRT is evidence an based therapy * and has to be done by trained professionals and done so by the book in order to claim it's use at a facility. You can find more info here.
http://nrepp.samhsa.gov/ViewIntervention.aspx?id=34
 
Narconon and Scientology do not use any therapy in their programs.  They are hostile to any mental health program in general, and the industry itself. I looked over their site and saw what they are offering and 90% would never be offered by Narconon.
 
The exceptions are the sauna detox and vitamin program ( dangerous, especially for the liver):
Ref: Scientology Purification Detox Evaluation Rebuttal by Cambridge Environmental Research report on the Scientology Purification Detox Evaluation, 'a pseudo scientific study done on Scientology's Purification aka Narconon' program.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19462759/Scientology-Purification-Detox-Evaluation-Rebuttal-by-Cambridge-Environmental-
 
They may use the Life Skills program that would include Scientology 'ethics condition formulas' found in the personal integrity book and ups and downs in life course. Here are links to the Narconon materials 'students' study
 
Book 2 is the : The New Life Detoxification Program Delivery Manual
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/detoxbookpt2.htm

Below are the individual links to each of the other Narconon books. They come in pdf format. They were uploaded and posted about on  hyweprotest a couple of years ago, here
Leaking Narconon Course Packs and material
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/leaking-narconon-course-packs-material-48722/

Many people have downloaded them and they are virus safe.
(NOTE: SEE NARCONON BOOKS THREAD HERE FOR CURRENT LINKS TO THESE BOOKS)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TWGVL8G2  book 1  Therapeutic TR Course
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YEQWPRAW  book 3  Learning Improvement Course
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KTJ95MB1  book 4a Communication & Perception Course
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WCR26YYA  book 4b Communication & Perception Course
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M1OHU2CF  book 5  Ups & Downs in Life Course
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HVH6J1C5  book 6  Personal Values and Integrity Course
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M3ZVB1B0  book 7  Changing Conditions in Life Course
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U70HBDS7  book 8  The Way to Happiness Course

These books are presented within this video report on Narconon

YouTube - Narconon Exposed (Scientology, a new drug?) (part 1/2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6tO4rx0RbE

YouTube - Narconon Exposed (Scientology, a new drug?) (part 2/2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMYf4tdkS2Q

I do know that AFR requires 'clients' or 'students' to 'write up' things observed that are not allowed, snitching and such. That culture can get so out of hand. It is not unheard of for a patient to be given $10 and dropped off at the nearest state border motel if he violates the rules.  Narconon does spy and listen in on phone calls and I am not sure if they do this at AFR but do be alert to it if your friend sounds vague and can't talk....  Staff will deny doing the and it could cause a problem if they know you are searching the internet.
 
Your XXXXXXX may find that there are things going on there, like drug use or staff having sex with patients ( not unheard of at AFR and Narconon) but if the place is controlled well enough it should be ok. There was, however, the recent report at ripoff about bedbugs there, in November. You may want to have your xxxxxx's XXXXXXX make sure that is still not an issue.
 
There are some other things you need to know regarding Narconon and Scientology influences over at  A Forever Recovery (AFR), like the fact that half the staff at least are former graduates and employees of other Narconons. This guy Darwin Dixon was trained by Narconon and attended Narconon back in 2006 or 2007. I have complaints from people going back that far that include his name from the Narconon in Palm Desert and he is registered as a licended counselor from that faclity. You can see by looking up his name ( with Palm Desert CA as the location noted :
http://www.addiction-specialists.com/profile.php?id=16906
 
Murray Dailey, the AFR Senior Director of Intake is a longtime Narconon graduate and counselor , first working for Narconon Stonehawk.
 
Back in 2008 there was a news story about AFR starting:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/4fd559e9725fb50f
 
No one believed them, especially because of the lawsuits by Kathleen Wickstrom claiming it was a scam setr up by Narconon and her ex to avoid paying her. According to their original agreement, neither was supposed to own a 12 step company once they 'lost' their licence from Narconon ( which she claims  they were in collusion with Per only done to avoid paying her.
 
AFR also runs different websites in the same manner as Narconon does. Changing the name around "Recovered Forever" or not disclosing ownership like at   4rehabilitation.com , or here on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Drug-Rehab-Referral-Service/325568779424#!/pages/The-Drug-Rehab-Referral-Service/325568779424?sk=info
 
but if the services are what they claim them to be, especially the therapy, it can only help your friend.
 
The fact is, the activities have changed alot since I wrote that comment over at whyweprotest.net:
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/rip-david-vantrease.56048/page-3#post-1163207
 
They are probably using the MRT as they claimed. As well, I erred in stating that the owner, "Doug Wickstrom", was the brother of the former owner Per Wickstrom. It seems that it was his father of the same name. Pamela Anderson worked for Wickstom Chevrolet and acted as corporate Secretary for the father's car company when the father helped son Per Wickstrom set up AFR to get around having to pay his wife Kathleen a contractual agreement they had related to her leaving Narconon and being the co-owner of their TIA Corp business that owned and rented property out to others including Narconon Stonehawk ( including the St Mary's property where AFR is now. TIA Corp is their landlord).
 
The father Douglas Sr , however, hasn't. He got stuck with a bad credit record and some debt as you can see below in an appeal he lost. Proof Per helped start AFR as Kathleen claimed.
 
Wickstrom v. Experian July 1, 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN SOUTHERN DIVISION

"Plaintiff stopped working for Narconon in June 2008, and the credit card account went delinquent that month. Plaintiff reported that he stopped working for Narconon because the company had "bad financial problems." (Plf. Dep. at 13). Plaintiff and his son started a new corporation in June 2008. The new corporation, "A Forever Recovery," was in the same business as Narconon and it used the same Battle Creek address. (Ex. 2; Plf. Dep. at 16-17, 21, 23, 77-78, 89-90)."
http://mi.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20100701_0001157.WMI.htm/qx
 
American Express is being sued by AFR for garnishing that money, since AFR was Narconon Stonehawk at the time of getting the credit:
 
A Forever Recovery. Inc sues American Express in 2011
Court Case #2011-0000002837 NZ
Case Overview
Case Number 2011-0000002837
Case Type OTHER DAMAGE SUITS
Judge KINGSLEY,JAMES C.,
Prosecutor   
Additional Case Information: [Parties] [Charges]
Parties [ Top ]
Party Name Party Type Attorney of Record
AMERICAN EXPRESS COMPANY DEFENDANT NA
A FOREVER RECOVERY INC PLAINTIFF SLOT,PHILLIP BENJAMIN,
https://mcc.co.calhoun.mi.us/details.php?c=2011+0000002837&se=party#parties
 
I think Doug Sr wishes he'd never helped his son out in setting up this up because Kathleen Wickstrom sued Per and Narconon International soon after finding out about the whole scam and she probably received not only what was due her but much more. The scam, is discussed in full in her lawsuit complaint which can be found here:
 
AFR was never intended to appear to be a Narconon. It was supposed to be different so that Kathleen Wickstrom would not know and see that her ex was funneling the customers to his new place to avoid paying her.   
 
Pamela Anderson is not a scientologist as far as I know. Neither is Douglas Sr. Kathleen isn't either. Matter of fact, I suspect Per Wickstrom is no longer one after Narconon International was sued. He's kept a very low profile since: 
See Per Wickstrom - Scientology Service Completions
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/p/per-wickstrom.html
 
So, I think that, despite all that and given the fact that AFR is not run like Narconon for the most part and that they offer real therapy, your friend should not have too much Scientology and Narconon influence to worry about there. However, people have made complaints about the facility which are on the internet. 
http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/A-Forever-Recovery.aspx
http://www.sober.com/forums/1204.aspx
http://www.sober.com/forums/t/14568/has+anyone+heard+of++a+forever+recovery+rehab+in+michigan+need+infofeedback.aspx?pageindex=3
 
Anyway, I hope I have answered your questiuons well enough and have brought a better understanding of what the program is and isn't from what I could tell. When  it comes to taking someone out of a Narconon program, my motto is 'if it aint broken, don't fix it.' Rehab is hard and if your friend is trying hard, nearly done. He wants the help so keep him there. Any therapy is better than no therapy but MRT* looks like a worthwhile program.
 
Let me know how it goes for him .
 
Mary 
*More on MRT: Moral Reconation Therapy, MRT® is the premiere Cognitive-Behavioral program for offender populations and only trained and certified MRT facilitators are permitted to conduct these highly effective and specialized groups.
 
Most of the Good Success services and interventions we offer are based on the Cognitive-Behavioral Model (CBT), and utilize Evidenced-Based Cognitive-Behavioral treatment materials — specifically, MRT®.
 
MRT® has been included in SAMHSA's National Registry of Evidence-based Programs and Practices. It is the premiere cognitive-behavioral program for substance abuse treatment and offender populations, including parole and probation settings, outpatient programs, educational settings and drug courts.
 
It was developed in 1985 by Dr. Gregory Little and Dr. Kenneth Robinson, and over 120 published outcomes have documented that MRT®-treated offenders show significantly lower recidivism for periods as long as 10-years after treatment. The approach leads to increased participation rates, increased program completion rates, decreased disciplinary infractions, and beneficial changes in personality characteristics.  All MRT® groups must be operated by MRT®-certified facilitators -- professional staff who complete 32-hour training.
 
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The term moral refers to moral reasoning level based on Kohlberg's levels of cognitive reasoning. The word reconation comes from the psychological terms conative and conation, which refer to the process of making conscious decisions. MRT® is a cognitive-behavioral system that leads to enhanced moral reasoning, better decision making, and more appropriate behavior.
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Her reply:

Mary,

Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful email. I really appreciate your taking the time to respond in such detail. Thanks for all the links too. It's nice to have all those materials as well for informational purposes.

Well, I wrote to you out of concern for XXXXXXXXX. He will be completing the program at AFR this Friday. We have written letters to each other over the past several weeks. It's clear he is seeing many of the things I read about which you confirmed (I had seen those comments on Ripoff Report and Sober.com - they are what had me the most concerned in the first place) and yes, I was mindful of the phone possibly being tapped although he never did call; he said they have to stand in line to use pay phones and there is no privacy. I was careful in my letters too in case they read mail - I agree I did not want to put him in a compromising position by letting on that I had come across any unseemly information on AFR, nor did I want to alarm him.

Although he tried to be positive and complain little in his letters he did mention he'll have lots of stories to share with me when we see each other, they are under surveillance 24/7, there is no real recreation there as advertised and he's aware of flagrant lies on the website (through others there) to lure people in, people have left in the night... He also was suspicious of how they conduct CBT there (although I don't know what he would be comparing it too) and was fearful of being brainwashed; he switched from CBT to MRT. 

I was surprised to learn he spent his first week (or much of it) in detox since he had just been released from detox in a hospital a day prior to his admittance. Apparently, it's mandatory there - the family's first choice for a rehab center (which is accredited but wouldn't accept his insurance) would have placed him directly into the rehab portion of his stay. (I also noticed that AFR is not accredited) He had to do extensive writing exercises in detox in preparation for therapy. (How is that detox??) He didn't mention the sauna or vitamins but I guess I'll hear about that soon enough. He's in a room with 6 beds and one bathroom for them to share. Oh and he mentioned there are no drugs/medications allowed on site, save Advil, which makes me wonder if he was able to get his daily blood pressure medication from a nurse like Darwin said he would. I hope they are checking his blood pressure too. The most alarming thing he mentioned is that if someone needs medical attention/surgery/breaks an arm, they have the choice to either tough it out or go home. wow. seriously? They have daily chores, which I suppose could be alright but I wonder if other rehab centers have this practice.

On a positive note, he has cranked through the program, spending all his free time on homework and mentions having more clarity than he's ever had, and has had to face everything that contributed to his drinking problem in the first place and how he has hurt others. He's there for the right reasons and has applied himself so I am hopeful for his maintained sobriety. He's finished there this week already. He said it's been hard work and emotional at times, but his outlook seems optimistic. It will be good to see him again and very interesting to finally talk with him. I was able to have a chat last week with a counselor there, Joe Guajardo. Do you know of him?

Lastly, I wanted to show you this in case you haven't noticed it on their website. Although I don't necessarily believe XXXXX was exposed to Scientology, or at least not to too much of an extent, I do somewhat still question it's relationship to AFR, former Narconon graduates aside. If you look at the staff's credentials on the website, you'll notice some of them were certified by PITA Group. The certs are even signed by W. Kent McGregor! Isn't that strange they'd show that on their site if they want to distance themselves from Scientology?

http://foreverrecovery.com/stephen-anderson/
http://foreverrecovery.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/SPAcadcweb1.jpg

Of course this isn't the main site I was looking at (which is stopyouraddiction.com, the domain name formerly used by Stonehawk, right?), but it's where the main site directs you to if you are looking for staff. When I googled PITA, I came across your very interesting comments to Louis Catton last February here: http://www.thecleanslate.org/new-face-of-recovery-is-a-front-for-narconon-and-scientology/ Go Mary!

Oh, as an interesting aside, when I first tried contacting AFR through the main number on their site (877-456-3313), the girl answering the phone asked me which location I was trying to reach! I took this to mean Battle Creek versus the Narconon Freedom Center; if you google the number you'll see they share it. Again, this seems sloppy if they AFR maintains it has no affiliation with Narconon or "the previous owner".

Although my XXXXXX is seeing all the weird stuff there for himself, I'm not sure to what extent I should disclose my knowledge of the same things. I want him to feel good about what he did and all the effort he put into his recovery at AFR and I do believe he has gotten out what he put in, but it will difficult to play dumb when it comes up. Maybe I won't say anything unless he directly asks if I knew any of this. Should I share the materials you sent me so he can see if any of what he did was lifted from them? If it were me, I'd want to be informed but I'm not sure if it would potentially be discouraging to him. Maybe I'll hold off a while on that.

Thank you again for your generous response to my email.


In looking at the Best Rehab site, it looks like they use the TRs and Objectives, at least since 2009 per archive.org
http://www.bestdrugrehabilitation.com/treatment-phases/steps-to-successful-treatment/

http://web.archive.org/web/20101025040732/http://www.bestdrugrehabilitation.com/3steps/3steps.html
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2012, 22:03 »
 

Whether you are obligated to pay the remainder depends on what you may have signed.  Check your papers for anything about a refund.  Personally, I would refuse to pay any more.  I don't believe if you're picking him up that Narconon, oops, Best Drug Rehabilitation will insist.

 
If it is not a NarCONon entity then what is it? Their website is beyond vague when talking about how or what treatment for a particular addiction is available. Is there a link I am missing that gives actual treatment information?

We can't prove it's a Narconon and from the info patients or loved ones have sent me , and from my research of the place, it's not a Narconon . It may have the sauna componient but no proof of licensing it. The withdrawal may be the same but. no proof. They have several peer reviewed counseling programs there which patients choose from according to their needs before they start. No Narconon would have these. Just saying......

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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2012, 22:12 »
Here is a link to a Best Drug Rehab article that says Per Wickstrom started it:
http://www.addictionpro.com/article/payment-system-among-unconventional-aspects-treatment-center-michigan

If not a narconon, it is a narconon knock-off.

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2012, 22:16 »
Here is a link to a Best Drug Rehab article that says Per Wickstrom started it:
http://www.addictionpro.com/article/payment-system-among-unconventional-aspects-treatment-center-michigan

If not a narconon, it is a narconon knock-off.
Intersting. I went to their website http://www.bestdrugrehabilitation.com/treatment-phases/faith-based-recovery/ and found this.

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Types of Faith-Based Study Offered At Best Drug Rehabilitation:

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Click Religion To Learn More


Baptist
Buddhism
Catholic
Christian
Disciples of Christ
Episcopalian / Anglican
Full Gospel
Hinduism
Islam
Jehovah’s Witness
Jewish Christians
Judaism
Lutheran
Mennonite
Methodist / Wesleyan
Mormon / Latter-day Saints/ LDS
Native American Religion
Non-Denominational
Presbyterian
Protestant
Scientology
Seventh-Day Adventist
Spiritualist

Thing is when I clicked "Scientology" that link no workie! Very interesting. They list Scientology  but do not list the following.

Nuwaubianism

The Church of Euthanasia

Prince Philip Movement

Church of the SubGenius

Universe People

Creativity Movement

Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth

Nation of Yahweh

Church of All Worlds
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2012, 22:34 »
I think Per is applying the "smoke and mirrors" cloaking technology, if not to hide the truth from potential clients, then from his ex who may still have a bone to pick, even if only out of spite.

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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2012, 22:43 »
I think Per is applying the "smoke and mirrors" cloaking technology, if not to hide the truth from potential clients, then from his ex who may still have a bone to pick, even if only out of spite.
Could be. I would imagine that once you paid the upfront fees then walked through the doors of this facility buyers remorse would soon follow.

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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2012, 22:44 »
I think Per is applying the "smoke and mirrors" cloaking technology, if not to hide the truth from potential clients, then from his ex who may still have a bone to pick, even if only out of spite.

Thanks for your insights, who me? Keep posting!
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2012, 00:33 »
Thank you everyone. He is out and he is safe and he is NOT brainwashed. Just incredibly angry at all of the "professionals" that preyed on his desperation to get sober. This is not the end of this, that is for sure. We are ANGRY.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2012, 08:03 »
Thank you everyone. He is out and he is safe and he is NOT brainwashed. Just incredibly angry at all of the "professionals" that preyed on his desperation to get sober. This is not the end of this, that is for sure. We are ANGRY.

Thanks again.

You're welcome and glad he's ok. Mary McConnell offered some additional assistance. Take her up on it. Best to you and your family moving forward!
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2012, 08:54 »
Thank you everyone. He is out and he is safe and he is NOT brainwashed. Just incredibly angry at all of the "professionals" that preyed on his desperation to get sober. This is not the end of this, that is for sure. We are ANGRY.

Thanks again.

That is great news!  I'm so glad to hear it.  I'm glad you were alert to a missing call and a cell phone being disconnected.  I hope you'll let us know how you're all doing as things proceed.
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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2012, 16:51 »
Checked out this place on Google Maps and saw a bunch of reviews, 5 were positive and one was negative.

So, I just posted this review of Best Rehab on Google Maps:

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Best Drug Rehabilitation Services
300 Care Center Drive, Manistee, MI 49660
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Quality 0 / 3
If someone you love needs treatment, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT SEND THEM HERE! This is a Scientology cult based treatment center (Narconon) and most of the money spent toward treatment goes to throw half million dollar birthday parties for Tom Cruise. Seriously! It is based on the non-scientific and non-medically peer reviewed program of detox invented by L Ron Hubbard who never got a college degree. They force you to take large quantities of vitamins including huge doses of Niacin which can damage the liver. They do not test your liver function until after you have gone through detox, so any liver damage caused by the huge toxic Niacin doses cannot be blamed on the program... They'll tell you that it was because of your drug or alcohol abuse and you'll believe them because you are completely vulnerable. There have been 5 deaths at Narconon facilities that use this detox method. After detox, the program consists of Scientology training (they have different covers for the workbooks but it is the same material used in Scientology.) They will tell you to stare at an ashtray and then command the ashtray to stand up and sit down. Why? Because that's part of Scientology indoctrination! PLEASE GOOGLE these words and learn more: NARCONON and SCIENTOLOGY
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Re: Best Drug Rehab - Need help ASAP
« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2012, 17:06 »
Checked out this place on Google Maps and saw a bunch of reviews, 5 were positive and one was negative.

So, I just posted this review of Best Rehab on Google Maps:

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Best Drug Rehabilitation Services
300 Care Center Drive, Manistee, MI 49660
Billy Bob
reviewed recently
Quality 0 / 3
If someone you love needs treatment, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT SEND THEM HERE! This is a Scientology cult based treatment center (Narconon) and most of the money spent toward treatment goes to throw half million dollar birthday parties for Tom Cruise. Seriously! It is based on the non-scientific and non-medically peer reviewed program of detox invented by L Ron Hubbard who never got a college degree. They force you to take large quantities of vitamins including huge doses of Niacin which can damage the liver. They do not test your liver function until after you have gone through detox, so any liver damage caused by the huge toxic Niacin doses cannot be blamed on the program... They'll tell you that it was because of your drug or alcohol abuse and you'll believe them because you are completely vulnerable. There have been 5 deaths at Narconon facilities that use this detox method. After detox, the program consists of Scientology training (they have different covers for the workbooks but it is the same material used in Scientology.) They will tell you to stare at an ashtray and then command the ashtray to stand up and sit down. Why? Because that's part of Scientology indoctrination! PLEASE GOOGLE these words and learn more: NARCONON and SCIENTOLOGY
Makes sense to me!

Offline Mary_McConnell

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Re: Best Drug Rehab - Need help ASAP
« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2012, 17:25 »
Checked out this place on Google Maps and saw a bunch of reviews, 5 were positive and one was negative.

So, I just posted this review of Best Rehab on Google Maps:

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Best Drug Rehabilitation Services
300 Care Center Drive, Manistee, MI 49660
Billy Bob
reviewed recently
Quality 0 / 3
If someone you love needs treatment, PLEASE, PLEASE DO NOT SEND THEM HERE! This is a Scientology cult based treatment center (Narconon) and most of the money spent toward treatment goes to throw half million dollar birthday parties for Tom Cruise. Seriously! It is based on the non-scientific and non-medically peer reviewed program of detox invented by L Ron Hubbard who never got a college degree. They force you to take large quantities of vitamins including huge doses of Niacin which can damage the liver. They do not test your liver function until after you have gone through detox, so any liver damage caused by the huge toxic Niacin doses cannot be blamed on the program... They'll tell you that it was because of your drug or alcohol abuse and you'll believe them because you are completely vulnerable. There have been 5 deaths at Narconon facilities that use this detox method. After detox, the program consists of Scientology training (they have different covers for the workbooks but it is the same material used in Scientology.) They will tell you to stare at an ashtray and then command the ashtray to stand up and sit down. Why? Because that's part of Scientology indoctrination! PLEASE GOOGLE these words and learn more: NARCONON and SCIENTOLOGY

Thank you, billybob!! Every m,essage on the internet helps!
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Offline billybob

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Re: Best Drug Rehab - Need help ASAP
« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2012, 17:43 »
I don't know, but I think I might have stumbled on a good strategy?!?!

A lot of people will use Google Maps to get directions.  I'm thinking that there is a good chance that those Moms and Dads who are going to drive their kids to these remote locations will check out Google Maps first, and maybe see the reviews there.

Of course I will be interested in seeing if the Scilons have ways of removing these reviews.  I think I will test this by doing some more...

Offline mefree

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Re: Best Drug Rehab - Need help ASAP
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2012, 17:47 »
Great idea!
The ultimate authority must always rest with the individual's own reason and critical analysis.
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Offline Mary_McConnell

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Re: Best Drug Rehab - Need help ASAP
« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2012, 20:06 »
I don't know, but I think I might have stumbled on a good strategy?!?!

A lot of people will use Google Maps to get directions.  I'm thinking that there is a good chance that those Moms and Dads who are going to drive their kids to these remote locations will check out Google Maps first, and maybe see the reviews there.

Of course I will be interested in seeing if the Scilons have ways of removing these reviews.  I think I will test this by doing some more...

Good idea. FYI, you need to register with Google to post on them and it's been suggested that one might need to register with more than one email address if they want to give more than one review. I believe this is how Narconon gets all this positive reviews posted within a week or so of each other for each facility.
I am a volunteer advocate for victims of the Narconon scam. I am a former scientologist. I post anonymously. Mary McConnell is my long time nom de plume. Feel free to contact me for assistance in righting the wrongs.

Offline cischroed

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Re: Best Drug Rehab - Need help ASAP
« Reply #38 on: August 12, 2012, 13:16 »
Best Drug Rehab (or BDR) is definitely a Scientology program. My son is the one we were discussing at the beginning of this thread. The BDR website is totally inaccurate and not what you get when you get to the program. The only "faith" you can choose from is Scientology. You have to read L Ron Hubbard books and do TR's before you can get any priveleges such as attending a simple AA meeting. Trust me - you do not want to use this place for alcohol or drug treatment!

Offline Anewdawn

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Re: Best Drug Rehab - Need help ASAP
« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2012, 14:28 »
I sent my son to the same place. Same complaints. If we are all in this same boat together, how do we all work together to get our money back, and close this darn place down? This is some crazy stuff!!! They are taking advantage of vulnerable people in desperate situations! My 17 year old ran away from the place! Thank God! He was only there for 7 days. I put the bill on credit cards, the credit card companies said it's not fraud unless they used the card without my permission. How do we ban together against this evil disgusting Scientology scam? Are there lawyers out there that have dealt with this before?