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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2012, 18:51 »
I would like to know how he ended up in this GA outpatient rehab when he was from Pennsylvania. Was there an out of state DUI involved?  Like Patrick, he went in for alcohol rehab and died from an overdose of a much "harder" drug. Investigators need to at least ask Mary Reiser a few tough questions.

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2012, 18:57 »
I would like to know how he ended up in this GA outpatient rehab when he was from Pennsylvania. Was there an out of state DUI involved?  Like Patrick, he went in for alcohol rehab and died from an overdose of a much "harder" drug. Investigators need to at least ask Mary Reiser a few tough questions.

Narconon routinely moves their clients far enough from home that it's not terribly convenient for family or friends to check on them. According to one former patient, his drug of choice was cocaine. I don't have any other verification, atm.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2012, 22:46 »
I asked the former Narconon of Georgia patient how Narconon dealt with Ronald Corona after his relapse. This is his response:
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They moved him from the berkely landing housing to 'the hotel'which is somewhere near the center.At some other point they took his keys or his car.When people move to the hotel you dont here to much about them anymore.Ron was a superrvisor.He started having more and more problems when he became staff.
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2012, 23:29 »
 Although someone's doc might be informational let's not lose sight of what's really going on here. These people are looking for help and asking for help. Narconon promises them that help. They sell a grand idea to their families and loved ones and then collect the cash ( $15,000 - $30,000 ). How do they plan to "cure" these people? They send them to the sauna to sweat it out and fill them full of Niacin. It's a vitamin right, so it can't be bad for you can it? This cardiologist says otherwise
 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/niacin-overdose/AN01644
 Who is administering these drugs and checks on the patients afterwards? The side effects of high dosages can be dangerous not to mention very stressful on the body of an addict going through withdrawals.

 Another Narcanon facility was closed because of these practices.

"In fact, the Narconon Trois-Rivieres Scientology rehab was shut down by government officials because of dangers to the health and safety of patients. The health agency noted that several patients had been sent to hospital and that the treatments provided at the center were placing patient health at risk. At that time, there had been patient deaths inside Narconon Arrowhead, and the Quebec authorities acted to prevent this from happening in Canada by forcing the rehab to close and immediately remove all patients."
http://www.examiner.com/article/big-pharma-blamed-for-troubles-of-scientology-s-narconon-rehabs

I only wished authorities cared enough about the  other people under going these crackpot treatments to close them all down. There has been death after death throughout the Narconon facilities. How many is it going to take before they see what is really going on here.??? These patients are given no professional counseling, have been denied medical attention in some cases and then housed together to babysit each other and left to their own demise. How are they still licensed and open to practice anything?


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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2012, 23:41 »
Although someone's doc might be informational let's not lose sight of what's really going on here. These people are looking for help and asking for help. Narconon promises them that help. They sell a grand idea to their families and loved ones and then collect the cash ( $15,000 - $30,000 ). How do they plan to "cure" these people? They send them to the sauna to sweat it out and fill them full of Niacin. It's a vitamin right, so it can't be bad for you can it? This cardiologist says otherwise
 http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/niacin-overdose/AN01644

Absolutely! Regardless of his drug of choice, he didn't get real treatment at Narconon.

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Who is administering these drugs and checks on the patients afterwards? The side effects of high dosages can be dangerous not to mention very stressful on the body of an addict going through withdrawals.

 Another Narcanon facility was closed because of these practices.

"In fact, the Narconon Trois-Rivieres Scientology rehab was shut down by government officials because of dangers to the health and safety of patients. The health agency noted that several patients had been sent to hospital and that the treatments provided at the center were placing patient health at risk. At that time, there had been patient deaths inside Narconon Arrowhead, and the Quebec authorities acted to prevent this from happening in Canada by forcing the rehab to close and immediately remove all patients."
http://www.examiner.com/article/big-pharma-blamed-for-troubles-of-scientology-s-narconon-rehabs

I only wished authorities cared enough about the  other people under going these crackpot treatments to close them all down. There has been death after death throughout the Narconon facilities. How many is it going to take before they see what is really going on here.??? These patients are given no professional counseling, have been denied medical attention in some cases and then housed together to babysit each other and left to their own demise. How are they still licensed and open to practice anything?

You're singing to the choir, here. Despite numerous complaints and inquiries, state agencies have failed to act in Georgia. Despite the deaths in Oklahoma, Narconon Arrowhead is still open. It is incomprehensible and leads one to believe that those suffering from addiction, just don't rate!

Thanks for your participation on the forum, IKTT. Please keep posting.
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2012, 10:24 »
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You're singing to the choir, here. Despite numerous complaints and inquiries, state agencies have failed to act in Georgia. Despite the deaths in Oklahoma, Narconon Arrowhead is still open. It is incomprehensible and leads one to believe that those suffering from addiction, just don't rate!

Or Narconon's (along with the whole church of Scientology) pockets are so deep from all the cash they have collected they can pay officials off! I cannot comprehend any other reason why a person would choose to look the other way or write it off as shotty paperwork.  They should not be allowed to operate as any kind of rehab in or out patient. Narconon's lies are killing people and our government is letting them get away with it!!!

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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2012, 12:15 »
Narconon's lies are killing people and our government is letting them get away with it!!!

 Our state government,more specifically the DCH are a major part of the problem. State DCH officials imho do not have the tools needed to aid our states legislators in making policies that would stop these sort of harmful businesses practices. Then one must take into account who these state legislators are and their reasoning how and why they vote on a particular agenda.

 
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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2012, 13:00 »
In May of 2012 Narconon of Georgia had an inspection and failed miserably on every account of providing evidence that they are operating a legitimate facility. Here is the link to the inspection report.
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_DRUGABUSE/DRUG002034TIR411.pdf

When questioned about these deficiencies the Executive Director and the Case Supervisor replied with "but we didn't know we needed that". Really?? Narconon has been running this facility for how many years and you are telling me that a person in these high ranked positions has no idea what is required of them? The case studies were pulled for 9 patients. In the beginning of the report it say there were 18 patients enrolled in the program at that time so 50% of the patients files were reviewed and 100% of those failed on EVERY requirement. And they are still licenced and open for business?? It also states in this inspection that it is required that   
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In addition to medical management services, the program shall provide the client counseling and support by staff
who are determined qualified by training, education, experience, and who are licensed/certified if required by state
practice acts to provide such services. Such services shall be provided to clients as soon as it is determined that
they can benefit from such services but no later than within three work days of admission.

Were any of the case studies ( or ANY NN patient) given counseling by a licensed and train professional? Of course not. How could they be when their "counselors" are fresh out of rehab themselves. It seems to me that it is very blatantly obvious that these people are just running a big scheme to collect on the unfortunate. The only answers they can seem to provide is that a patient's/staff's death is their own fault and a big shoulder shrug and "we didn't know that" when it comes to questions about state regulated requirements.

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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2012, 14:10 »
This pretty obviously is yet another horrible death directly related to Narconon.

My two cents:

Any individual with information - including IKnowTheTruth, loriisbored, mefree's "former patient" acquantance, or anyone else - should call the Gwinnett Police at 770.513.5210
or go to their Headquarters at 770 Hi Hope Rd, Lawrenceville, GA 30044 and request the opportunity to speak to the detective handling the investigation of Ronald Corona's death. 

Here is the thing: Police and District Attorneys of the world need actionable information from living, breathing witnesses in order to make cases.

While you are at it, please also suggest that Commissioner David Cooke's office at DCH should be contacted since he and the healthcare division inspectors are supposedly actively involved in conducting an investigation.  Either that or you yourselves contact DCH directly: 404-656-4507

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2012, 16:36 »
In May of 2012 Narconon of Georgia had an inspection and failed miserably on every account of providing evidence that they are operating a legitimate facility. Here is the link to the inspection report.
http://167.193.144.170:7001/ORSINV/PDFS_DRUGABUSE/DRUG002034TIR411.pdf

When questioned about these deficiencies the Executive Director and the Case Supervisor replied with "but we didn't know we needed that". Really?? Narconon has been running this facility for how many years and you are telling me that a person in these high ranked positions has no idea what is required of them? The case studies were pulled for 9 patients. In the beginning of the report it say there were 18 patients enrolled in the program at that time so 50% of the patients files were reviewed and 100% of those failed on EVERY requirement. And they are still licenced and open for business?? It also states in this inspection that it is required that   
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In addition to medical management services, the program shall provide the client counseling and support by staff
who are determined qualified by training, education, experience, and who are licensed/certified if required by state
practice acts to provide such services. Such services shall be provided to clients as soon as it is determined that
they can benefit from such services but no later than within three work days of admission.

Were any of the case studies ( or ANY NN patient) given counseling by a licensed and train professional? Of course not. How could they be when their "counselors" are fresh out of rehab themselves. It seems to me that it is very blatantly obvious that these people are just running a big scheme to collect on the unfortunate. The only answers they can seem to provide is that a patient's/staff's death is their own fault and a big shoulder shrug and "we didn't know that" when it comes to questions about state regulated requirements.

18 patients in the program? really? that is the biggest piece of crap! there may be just 18 patients in one certain area (most likely ethics lol). but i know for a fact in april they were pushing 100, and growing...more and more new people coming in each week.

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2012, 16:42 »
This pretty obviously is yet another horrible death directly related to Narconon.

My two cents:

Any individual with information - including IKnowTheTruth, loriisbored, mefree's "former patient" acquantance, or anyone else - should call the Gwinnett Police at 770.513.5210
or go to their Headquarters at 770 Hi Hope Rd, Lawrenceville, GA 30044 and request the opportunity to speak to the detective handling the investigation of Ronald Corona's death. 

Here is the thing: Police and District Attorneys of the world need actionable information from living, breathing witnesses in order to make cases.

While you are at it, please also suggest that Commissioner David Cooke's office at DCH should be contacted since he and the healthcare division inspectors are supposedly actively involved in conducting an investigation.  Either that or you yourselves contact DCH directly: 404-656-4507

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2012, 18:43 »
Also:  I should have added that time is in all probability of the essence.  Do it immediately or as soon as possible, if ever. 

The Medical Examiner has just announced the toxicology findings and the final opinion as to cause of death.  This means if the police don't already have solid leads or figured out a case yet, they need all witnesses who might have valuable information to come forward NOW, before the investigation is closed.

Although, presumably, the primary investigation would have initially been geared towards things like murder or uncovering a drug trafficking operation, one might have reason to think other potential crimes like manslaughter, conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement, lying to law enforcement, or whatever else along such lines might still be in realm of legitimate possibilities.

But not for long.

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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2012, 18:57 »

The Medical Examiner has just announced the toxicology findings and the final opinion as to cause of death. 

 Could you please link us to where you gained this information? Thanks.

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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2012, 19:05 »
I have another report from the "former patient". He has some interesting things to say about Darrell and Dan Hall at Discovery Course (housing for Narconon of GA)

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YOU guys may or may not know this but housing is now run by darrel and dan hall (called discovery course) not the same company as the desmond case.Darrell freakin hall is an adderall munching paranoid freak.dudes nuts
   
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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2012, 23:15 »
ST, it is stated in the Gwinnett Daily article linked in reply 15 on p.1 of this thread.

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Toxicology tests show a 39-year-old man whose body was found two months ago in a Peachtree Corners office park died of cocaine use, the Gwinnett County Medical Examiner's Office said Tuesday.

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2012, 15:59 »
I asked the former Narconon of Georgia patient how Narconon dealt with Ronald Corona after his relapse. This is his response:
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They moved him from the berkely landing housing to 'the hotel'which is somewhere near the center.At some other point they took his keys or his car.When people move to the hotel you dont here to much about them anymore.Ron was a superrvisor.He started having more and more problems when he became staff.

I would like to know more about what happened to his car.  Where was the car the night Ron was found?  Did he drive to Technology Park the night (or day; I'm just assuming it was night) he died?  Has the car been sent back to his parents now?  I'm not sure why these questions seem so pressing to me... except that maybe the answers might hold some clue to what happened.

People don't usually walk to Technology Park if they have another way to get there. 

Overhead view of 25 Technology Parkway

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2012, 10:43 »
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You're singing to the choir, here. Despite numerous complaints and inquiries, state agencies have failed to act in Georgia. Despite the deaths in Oklahoma, Narconon Arrowhead is still open. It is incomprehensible and leads one to believe that those suffering from addiction, just don't rate!

Or Narconon's (along with the whole church of Scientology) pockets are so deep from all the cash they have collected they can pay officials off! I cannot comprehend any other reason why a person would choose to look the other way or write it off as shotty paperwork.  They should not be allowed to operate as any kind of rehab in or out patient. Narconon's lies are killing people and our government is letting them get away with it!!!

IKnowThe Truth, I understand your angst.  It's something I feel on an almost daily basis.  If you have not already read it, see Social Transparency's saga of trying to alert the Georgia Department of Community Health, beginning in April and continuing to this day:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10057.0.html

I have to wonder if your statement above is the truth.
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2012, 11:03 »
"How many deaths will it take 'til he knows / that too many people have died?"

The answer may be different for different for different people, but I think this is enough now. I sure hope WSB and the AJC have heard. ;)

And somebody should tell tortega too, I guess...

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2012, 12:47 »
I use to work in technology park 15 years ago, 1 Technology Park to be exact, back then it was a very nice area we would walk the area on nice days during our lunch hour.  The tree lined streets and the perfectly manicured flower gardens were the perfect setting for a spring time walk.  However in recent years the area is not so nice, the park still tries to keep the manicured flower beds and Bradford pear trees have split and been replaced in some parts, but the drug activity in the area makes it such that nobody in their right mind would go out for an evening walk in the area. I have relatives that still live in the area just because they can't afford to move out their house is worth much less than they paid for it.  So my question is why in the world would NNGas put someone in a living facility right in the middle of a drug infested area with little to no supervision.  Oh that's right addiction is NOT a disease and is curable so no need to worry about influences and the ease of the ability to obtain drugs. Let me end by saying, UGH!!!!!   
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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2012, 16:00 »
I use to work in technology park 15 years ago, 1 Technology Park to be exact, back then it was a very nice area we would walk the area on nice days during our lunch hour.  The tree lined streets and the perfectly manicured flower gardens were the perfect setting for a spring time walk.  However in recent years the area is not so nice, the park still tries to keep the manicured flower beds and Bradford pear trees have split and been replaced in some parts, but the drug activity in the area makes it such that nobody in their right mind would go out for an evening walk in the area. I have relatives that still live in the area just because they can't afford to move out their house is worth much less than they paid for it.  So my question is why in the world would NNGas put someone in a living facility right in the middle of a drug infested area with little to no supervision.  Oh that's right addiction is NOT a disease and is curable so no need to worry about influences and the ease of the ability to obtain drugs. Let me end by saying, UGH!!!!!   
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Crime mapping for 5688 Peachtree Parkway (NN of GA) within a 2 mile radius, from 1/1/2012 to present, reveals 170 crimes.
http://www.crimemapping.com/map.aspx?aid=237508c7-ead1-4de4-b7b2-b627abfee7fc

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