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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #40 on: October 20, 2012, 19:29 »
I got 487 from 1/1/12 to current. Maybe I'm doing something wrong lol.

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« Reply #41 on: October 20, 2012, 19:37 »
I got 487 from 1/1/12 to current. Maybe I'm doing something wrong lol.

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« Reply #42 on: October 20, 2012, 19:45 »
I used 5688 Peachtree Pkwy., Norcross.  But also it doesn't go all the way back to January, furthest it will go back is April 23.

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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2012, 14:09 »
I Know The Truth - I am so sorry for the loss of your friend.

I work at the building where Ron's body was found.  In fact, I cleaned up the blood.  There was not enough that he could have "bled out" so I have been watching for the toxicology results.  The detective told me that he the cuts and injuries he had to his head were consistent with running through the woods.  I certainly did not expect the toxicology report to find cocaine, but rather bath salts or some other halucinogen. 

He had tried, in two places, to dig under the foundation of the building, had left muddy imprints on the glass doors of one of the suites, as well as the glass windows and door where he was ultimately found.  If he was alone, it appeared he was having a psychotic break which certainly seems at odds with the individual that has been described.  Had Ron been associated with Scientology prior to his stint in Narconon?  How did he end up at Narconon instead of AA?

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« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2012, 14:48 »
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I would like to know more about what happened to his car.  Where was the car the night Ron was found?  Did he drive to Technology Park the night (or day; I'm just assuming it was night) he died?  Has the car been sent back to his parents now?  I'm not sure why these questions seem so pressing to me... except that maybe the answers might hold some clue to what happened.


Good question! Where is his car? or wallet or phone for that matter? I am sure if they were returned to authorities or his family it was not before they were carefully screened for any damaging evidence against Narconon. And on that note i would like to know why he was creamated. He was a Catholic as was his family. All the Catholics that i know are strongly opposed to the idea of cremation. I wonder if this was his mother's decision and if she had a conversation with anyone at Narconon prior to having his body/remains shipped back home. It woudl be very crafty of them to destroy all evidence...just saying!

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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2012, 15:00 »
I also work at the building where his body was found and Kit Kat is right. He did try to dig on the left side of the building. There is also a vacant office space beside ours that was covered with dirt and mud. It looked like he had tried to get into the office. His body was found on the other side of the building next to another downstairs entrance beside the AC unit. I saw the bloody sidewalk..and yes..there was blood there..there was not enough for it to qualify as a "pool" of blood. They also said he was found with wet clothes and no shoes. I too wasn't expecting cocaine..more like bath salts.
I also wonder how he got here...our office isn't the easiest to get to without a car.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend.

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« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2012, 18:17 »
I Know The Truth - I am so sorry for the loss of your friend.

I work at the building where Ron's body was found.  In fact, I cleaned up the blood.  There was not enough that he could have "bled out" so I have been watching for the toxicology results.  The detective told me that he the cuts and injuries he had to his head were consistent with running through the woods.  I certainly did not expect the toxicology report to find cocaine, but rather bath salts or some other halucinogen. 

He had tried, in two places, to dig under the foundation of the building, had left muddy imprints on the glass doors of one of the suites, as well as the glass windows and door where he was ultimately found.  If he was alone, it appeared he was having a psychotic break which certainly seems at odds with the individual that has been described.  Had Ron been associated with Scientology prior to his stint in Narconon?  How did he end up at Narconon instead of AA?

I also work at the building where his body was found and Kit Kat is right. He did try to dig on the left side of the building. There is also a vacant office space beside ours that was covered with dirt and mud. It looked like he had tried to get into the office. His body was found on the other side of the building next to another downstairs entrance beside the AC unit. I saw the bloody sidewalk..and yes..there was blood there..there was not enough for it to qualify as a "pool" of blood. They also said he was found with wet clothes and no shoes. I too wasn't expecting cocaine..more like bath salts.
I also wonder how he got here...our office isn't the easiest to get to without a car.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend.

Welcome kit1113kat and Companywitness, and thank you for telling us what you know.  I'm sure that must have been a gruesome experience for you both, and must have made for a very disturbing day at work that Monday.

It is very odd that he tried to dig under the building, and as you say, sounds psychotic.  As far as we know, Ron had not been associated with scientology prior to Narconon.  In fact, he had just posted a link to a site called godfruits.com on his Facebook in July, so that gives me every reason to believe he was a Christian/Catholic as IKnowThe Truth mentioned.

I wonder if he was trying to get away from someone.  This is very peculiar.  And eerie.

Narconon offers long-term "residential" treatment in a "monitored" environment, which AA and NA do not.  I have to put "residential" in quotes because Narconon is not licensed by the state for residential treatment, although they present the program that way to potential clients.  I put "monitored" in quotes because any monitoring they do certainly leaves a lot to be desired.  They are more likely to monitor what the clients are telling people about Narconon that they talk to on the phone than to monitor behavior, comings and goings, and drug or alcohol use by clients.  This type of rehab is often required by drug courts, well, this type meaning what the legitimate residential/inpatient rehabs offer (not what this scam called Narconon offers), but I don't know if Ron was court-ordered into Narconon or not.  But that might be one reason someone might choose it over AA or NA.  Unfortunately, with Narconon, it's all about getting the money, and possible converts to scientology, not about helping people with substance abuse problems.

I know it sounds unbelievable that something like Narconon could be allowed by the state licensing agency to continue, and that anyone would actually run a rehab that way, but it's the truth.  We have a lot of documents that have been filed in another wrongful death case (Patrick Desmond) against Narconon of Georgia that proves what I say above.

I assume the detective is aware of the details you gave here, but if not, please contact the Gwinnett police about them.  Anyone with any details, or first hand knowledge of what goes on at Narconon, should contact them ASAP.  This case needs more investigation.

What a horrible way to die.   :.{....

RIP, Ron.   (+):-)
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2012, 18:20 »
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I wonder if he was trying to get away from someone.  This is very peculiar.  And eerie.

I wondered the same. Very odd.

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2012, 18:56 »
I also work at the building where his body was found and Kit Kat is right. He did try to dig on the left side of the building. There is also a vacant office space beside ours that was covered with dirt and mud. It looked like he had tried to get into the office. His body was found on the other side of the building next to another downstairs entrance beside the AC unit. I saw the bloody sidewalk..and yes..there was blood there..there was not enough for it to qualify as a "pool" of blood. They also said he was found with wet clothes and no shoes. I too wasn't expecting cocaine..more like bath salts.
I also wonder how he got here...our office isn't the easiest to get to without a car.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend.
Thank you for sharing. Question if I may, how did you find this website (RFTTP)?

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« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2012, 19:20 »
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I wonder if he was trying to get away from someone.  This is very peculiar.  And eerie.

I would image the only thing this poor guy was trying to get away from was his own personal demons. Think about this for a moment. Here you have a college educated man with a substance abuse problem. Now couple that with a stint @ NarCONon of Georgia. That in of itself could lead to a relapse.

Add to the mix NarCONon of Georgia,s "If you relapse we punish you with a time out in a hotel unsupervised" add some alcohol and cocaine and I can very easily see how this poor guy more than likely had a chemically induced psychotic break. Manic behavior and "Go fast" type drugs go hand in hand. The deceased parties digging under a building is not out of the realm of possibility.

 I,ve seen much weirder behavior up close and personal while doing a documentary which involved riding in a Grady Hospital ambulance on multiple friday and saturday nights. Heck, I did another documentary on some meth heads which actually and I kid you not, decided it would be cool to DIG a pond in a fellow tweakers front yard @ 2:00 A.M with a BOBCAT front end loader in a subdivision.

what is even weirder is the fact I was up at that hour filming crazy people. ooo:/

 

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2012, 20:16 »
I also work at the building where his body was found and Kit Kat is right. He did try to dig on the left side of the building. There is also a vacant office space beside ours that was covered with dirt and mud. It looked like he had tried to get into the office. His body was found on the other side of the building next to another downstairs entrance beside the AC unit. I saw the bloody sidewalk..and yes..there was blood there..there was not enough for it to qualify as a "pool" of blood. They also said he was found with wet clothes and no shoes. I too wasn't expecting cocaine..more like bath salts.
I also wonder how he got here...our office isn't the easiest to get to without a car.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend.

I Know The Truth - I am so sorry for the loss of your friend.

I work at the building where Ron's body was found.  In fact, I cleaned up the blood.  There was not enough that he could have "bled out" so I have been watching for the toxicology results.  The detective told me that he the cuts and injuries he had to his head were consistent with running through the woods.  I certainly did not expect the toxicology report to find cocaine, but rather bath salts or some other halucinogen. 

He had tried, in two places, to dig under the foundation of the building, had left muddy imprints on the glass doors of one of the suites, as well as the glass windows and door where he was ultimately found.  If he was alone, it appeared he was having a psychotic break which certainly seems at odds with the individual that has been described.  Had Ron been associated with Scientology prior to his stint in Narconon?  How did he end up at Narconon instead of AA?

Thank you both so much for taking the time to register and comment on this, to help bring some facts to the table on what was going on.

Please know that more information will be forthcoming very soon about Ron's death and situation with Narconon. The media is onto the matter. It's just a matter of time in gathering documentation, facts and such. Your input here is much appreciated. It sounds like Ron was in some kind of distress and your suggestion that maybe bath salts ( or some kind of drug that would cause bizarre behavior) were involved seems plausible but we need to wait for the full autopsy report to know for sure what was in his system. Why he used a toxic amount of cocaine ( not his drug of choice to begin with) and how he got there and why he was there are important questions I hope will be answered soon. His involvement in Scientology is unlikely but it's being looked into as well.

Again, thanks for visiting and commenting on this. Hope to hear more fro you all as information comes to light.
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« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2012, 15:30 »
A coworker of mine found this site. Im really not sure how he found it.

I have heard that the media is getting involved with this. The AJC (atlanta journal constitution) is supposed to be doing a big piece on Ron and Narconon. I will try to post a link to the article when I find it.
The only other thing I know about the case is that at first it was treated as a homocide. They even hired a police officer to sit in our parking lot for a week after Ron was found. I know the media released pics of his tattoos because nobody could identify his body. Im not sure how they were finally able to determine it was him.

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« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2012, 18:30 »
Thanks for the info!
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #53 on: October 28, 2012, 17:26 »
A coworker of mine found this site. Im really not sure how he found it.

I have heard that the media is getting involved with this. The AJC (atlanta journal constitution) is supposed to be doing a big piece on Ron and Narconon. I will try to post a link to the article when I find it.
The only other thing I know about the case is that at first it was treated as a homocide. They even hired a police officer to sit in our parking lot for a week after Ron was found. I know the media released pics of his tattoos because nobody could identify his body. Im not sure how they were finally able to determine it was him.

If you have any other questions...feel free to ask

Thanks so much.

More info is forthcoming as I mentioned. Just not sure when.
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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2012, 14:37 »
[quote  I know the media released pics of his tattoos because nobody could identify his body. [/quote]

Not sure if I got this right, but I thought Ron lived and worked at the facility.... so why do the police need to resort to such measures to ID him.
Why hadn't Narconon reported him missing?

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« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2012, 15:25 »
This is total speculation, but if Ron had been cut lose e.g. declared an "SP" for whatever reason, suspended for drug use (which seems unlikely at THAT den of iniquity, but I digress), then anyone still at the facility whether staff or student would be out of contact with him. If he had been declared an SP, staff and students would have been forbidden to have contact with him. If that happened, and again I am speculating, the shady bastards would have neither known nor cared that he was missing.
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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2012, 16:05 »
Or they were simply playing to "Ron who?" game to try and stay out of yet another PR flap. It wouldn't be the first time.

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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2012, 17:35 »

Not sure if I got this right, but I thought Ron lived and worked at the facility.... so why do the police need to resort to such measures to ID him.
Why hadn't Narconon reported him missing?

Good question.

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2012, 08:06 »
I know the media released pics of his tattoos because nobody could identify his body.

Not sure if I got this right, but I thought Ron lived and worked at the facility.... so why do the police need to resort to such measures to ID him.
Why hadn't Narconon reported him missing?

There are a lot of mysterious things about this death.  It's my understanding he had been moved out of the regular housing and into a hotel - but it seems like, if he was well-liked as stated earlier in the thread, that someone would have had some contact with him even after he went to the hotel. 

And, while he was at Narconon (assuming he wasn't anymore) as a client, it wouldn't be unusual for Narconon to have been holding his wallet and cell phone, and the former client said they had taken his car keys or his car, but if he had been kicked out, surely they would have given these things back??  Why was he at Technology Park without a car?  Where was his wallet and ID?  And who goes anywhere without a cell phone these days?  Too many unanswered questions surrounding this death...

And then there's the weirdness with him being wet and muddy and trying to dig under buildings...

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #59 on: November 04, 2012, 01:47 »
Based upon some background information I have read, I suspect he was sent to the hotel from staff housing because he was caught drinking ( which is not uncommon at Narconon - staff drinking or doing drugs in the housing area), maybe more than once ( his drug of choice and what ruined his career) and since it was more than 6 months since he'd done the program ( an he was probably mandated to be there for a year - hence joining staff like so many wind up doing), he was told he needed pay again for the program by a couple of Narconon staff who paid him a visit there. That he would be reported unless he redid the program.  In despair, knowing his mother was ill and dying of cancer ( like his father the previous year ) knowing he could not ask for the money, knowing that there probably was no more money, he got int an argument about it. Said getting more money couldn't be done. Said he had to stay there or else he'd lose everything and probably go to jail for previous DUI. Promised not to drink anymore. But perhaps Narconon wanted the money? This is what I suspect

After that. who knows. More info will be forth coming but time is needed .
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