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Offline Intelligence

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2013, 00:26 »
In looking at the website, it seems there is no physical location, opening date, way to call or anything.  To me, the article that was written was moot.  I mean that in the sense that it had little or no practical value. 

Dont get me wrong, i am not attacking anyone personally, I just think that relevant, factual posts serve the forum better.  People who come to this site for info may take that article to mean there is a narconon opening up in canada soon, which does not seem to be the case.  It tends to make us look like sensationalists who dont know what we are talking about.

The article only had 3 lines about the Medical Detox:

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Credible sources indicate that another Scientology drug rehab will be opening soon in a more favourable Province, Ontario, with a "Canadian Medical Detox" website posted on October 14, 2012, by President P. Dubreuil, an Ex-Narconon Trois-Rivieres staff member.

I have 3 Insider sources that indicate there is a new Narconon (besides the Medical Detox), opening in the Toronto, Ontario area. Two sources I trust as credible, one I don't trust. One was a forwarded Text message from ABLE Canada director who was in California at the time he texted my source in Canada, asking for $$$ to help open the new NN. (Have photo image of the Text).

The other Source I trust, sent me this message back in December 2012:



I NEVER post with one Source of data, but try to have 2-3 and cross checked in multiple directions before posting or publishing.

When NN TR's doors were being shuttered, I knew the night before and posted this following Thread before any outsiders or media were aware of it. I used these ^^^ same CREDIBLE INSIDER SOURCES:

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-trois-rivieres-is-closed.101820/

I took a BIG chance back then, posting on two forums that NN TR was CLOSED and lay-off notices were being handed out the next morning. It very well could have been a set-up to make me look dumb or attack my credibility?

I do my very best to write and publish credible and verified facts - - and I don't expect everyone to like it or agree?


I apologize if this article appears to have offended some readers.

Have a nice evening ALL :)

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2013, 00:39 »
Cool.  The point being, where is it opening and when?  Credible sources would be able to tell you and then you could go and dig up building permits, zoning variances and things like that without outing your sources.  Posting the documents as evidence would make your story factual instead of general.

Its kind of like telling the people another NN is going to open in Indiana soon.  Ok, where?  When?  Do the county commissioners even know what NN is?  With info like that an actual plan could be formulated to prevent more people from getting ripped off. 

If you feel the need to not post on here due to my calling your article into question then i apologize.  Journalists should be able to back up claims made, i was just trying to help you to see that so more of a team atmosphere could be cultivated.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2013, 01:01 »
Cool.  The point being, where is it opening and when?  Credible sources would be able to tell you and then you could go and dig up building permits, zoning variances and things like that without outing your sources.  Posting the documents as evidence would make your story factual instead of general.

Its kind of like telling the people another NN is going to open in Indiana soon.  Ok, where?  When?  Do the county commissioners even know what NN is?  With info like that an actual plan could be formulated to prevent more people from getting ripped off. 

If you feel the need to not post on here due to my calling your article into question then i apologize.  Journalists should be able to back up claims made, i was just trying to help you to see that so more of a team atmosphere could be cultivated.

No apology needed. My sources provide me with Intel, assured that I will not "OUT" them - - and we have a good relationship; trying to prevent further abuses and death inside Narconon.

We ARE working diligently on the Ontario & Alberta Narconon in Canada, and I will post more in due course.

Now off to try and grab a nap before another busy day tomorrow.

Cheers.  ooo}

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2013, 01:09 »
Looks like you misunderstood.  I am not asking you to out anyone.  If they are giving you a planned location NN is trying to set up at, you wouldnt need to out them as there would be an easily accessible paper trail. 

The text was from Dec 2012, what is the hold up on posting the location?
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2013, 09:31 »

 This alleged Narconon "Lite" website has been stating its intent since Oct,2012, yet their appears to be no physical facility,no staff,not license. On that note, I have emailed them asking where and when this facility will be opened. I will post their response when and if an answer to my inquires are made.

 On that note,I will refrain from commenting on this topic until factual information is had!

 

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2013, 12:27 »
 The email address for http://medicaldetox.ca/  listed on the website as  solution@medicaldetox.ca is dead.

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2013, 12:31 »
David, please post about the location of this so it can be investigated further.  You can do so without "outing" your sources.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2013, 09:10 »
Strange seeing Freedom Center listing a somewhat vague "Ontario rehab" page.

http://www.freedomdrugrehab.com/drug-rehab/ontario-drug-rehab/

Then there,s this link.

http://narconon.ca/blog/info-about-drugs/narconon-graduates-ontario-canada.html

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2013, 09:17 »
Its common practice.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2013, 12:48 »
Yes, individual centers like to promote all over the country and even the Canadian provinces.  Especially with Trois Rivieres closed, Michigan becomes the closest U.S. facility for most Canadians (aside from the tiny 4-bed one in Alberta), unless they're over in British Columbia and go to northern California or something.

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2013, 13:18 »
I searched on the phone number 877-445-7113 from the Narconon Ontario link above and got a funny result in google:

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pere wickstrom narconon at Thedomainfo

http://thedomainfo.com/pere/pere_wickstrom_narconon/

It makes sense that Per Wickstom may be involved. There is a "mission" in Toronto, Per is right across the border in Michigan, and the Toronto -Cambridge area is the most populated part of Ontario. Also, we know Narconon ED's like to spell their names in a variety of ways. It looks like Pere Wickstrom is a French guy now.

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2013, 17:36 »
Don't you just love the Narconon name game?
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2013, 18:01 »
Interesting... Here are all the search results for 877-445-7113
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=877-445-7113&oq=877-445-7113&gs_l=hp.12...1851080.1851080.2.1852054.1.1.0.0.0.0.99.99.1.1.0.les%3B..0.0...1c..5.psy-ab.9qXDWsWzshc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43287494,d.dmg&fp=e73699d4fc82a92d&biw=979&bih=597

ok,  here are all the search results for 877-445-7113 + wickstrom
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=877-445-7113%20w&pq=877-445-7113%20per&cp=22&gs_id=12e&xhr=t&q=877-445-7113+wickstrom&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=877-445-7113+wickstrom&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43287494,d.dmg&fp=e73699d4fc82a92d&biw=979&bih=597

None of the three directly put Per at or involved with Narconon in Canada

when you look at the cached version of the three that come up on the 3 wickstrom search results, None of the ones with the phone number matchs Per Wickstrom's name on these page entries at Thedomainfo

Here, take look
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HtbAZy2UNU0J:thedomainfo.com/per/per_wickstrom_narconon/+877-445-7113+wickstrom&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HtbAZy2UNU0J:thedomainfo.com/per/per_wickstrom_narconon/+877-445-7113+wickstrom&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QVneZ_dtbTQJ:thedomainfo.com/pear/pear_wickstrom_narconon/+877-445-7113+wickstrom&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HtbAZy2UNU0J:thedomainfo.com/per/per_wickstrom_narconon/+877-445-7113+wickstrom&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

In reality, the name and the number do not match except say, on the alexa link, which if you click it, shows similar keywords

This Thedomainfo  is marketing SEO stuff, by keywords to connect you to domain info. A search within google search
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2013, 19:43 »
$ whois medicaldetox.ca
Domain name:           medicaldetox.ca
Domain status:         registered
Creation date:         2012/06/03
Expiry date:           2013/06/03
Updated date:          2012/06/03

Registrar:
    Name:              Tucows.com Co.
    Number:            156

Registrant:
    Name:              Advanced Withdrawal Management Centre, Inc.

Administrative contact:
    Name:              J-F Dubreuil
    Postal address:    758 Eastern Avenue
                       Toronto ON M4M1E8 Canada
    Phone:             +1.8185747002
    Fax:
    Email:             mauricethe3rd@yahoo.com

Technical contact:
    Name:              K.L. Peterson
    Postal address:    70 Blanchard Road
                       Burlington MA 01803 United States
    Phone:             +1.8007258064
    Fax:               +1.7812726550
    Email:             support@startlogic.com

Name servers:
    ns2.startlogic.com
    ns1.startlogic.com

Google Street View: 758 Eastern Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Is this Per's dad? http://www.mnartists.org/artistHome.do?action=info&rid=148639

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2013, 19:52 »
That is not Per or his dad.  Im still hoping David will at least tell us where the place is so it can be verified.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2013, 19:57 »
That is not Per or his dad.  Im still hoping David will at least tell us where the place is so it can be verified.
There "is no place".

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2013, 20:31 »
WTF???  Is he lying?
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2013, 21:02 »
 

 I attempted to contact the host via the email address they provided  (solution@medicaldetox.ca) for information as to when and where the facility would be opening.

 That email address was posted specifically to answer questions on date of opening and location.
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If you have any questions about our future withdrawal Management Centre, or if you would like to know when we are going to open our doors, please send us an email at this address:

solution@medicaldetox.ca

Thank you for visiting our website, and we are looking forward to service you and your loved ones in the near future.

  The contact email address provided does not work.

 Funny that today there is a post on the website.

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Isn’t Time to Help Canadians to Stop Drinking?
Posted on March 13, 2013 by Philippe

 The previous post was 4 months ago

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Why a Withdrawal Management Centre?
Posted on October 14, 2012 by Philippe

 I think David can fill you in on whom (Phiippe) is.

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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2013, 21:24 »
Try philippe@medicaldetox.ca and/or marketing@medicaldetox.ca.  That's where their "To get help, please click here!" form sends its email to.

Philippe Dubreuil
President
Advanced Withdrawal Management Centre

https://www.facebook.com/philippe.dubreuil1

Quote from: my whois on the domain name
Administrative contact:
    Name:              J-F Dubreuil
    Postal address:    758 Eastern Avenue
                       Toronto ON M4M1E8 Canada
    Phone:             +1.8185747002
    Fax:
    Email:             mauricethe3rd@yahoo.com

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2013, 21:37 »
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Philippe Dubreuil
February 27, 2012 via BlackBerry Smartphones App
Just registered my new company! Education Solutions! We're getting ready to roll!

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