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[Ask the Scientologist] Scientologists Disunited
« on: November 20, 2009, 02:02 »
Scientologists Disunited
19 November 2009, 10:00 pm

The unity of the Scientology community isn’t so united today.

It used to be very simple.  All Scientologists had one very firm, very stable foundation for their belief system:  If L. Ron Hubbard said it, it was true.  Scientology was, and only was, what L. Ron Hubbard proclaimed.

Scientologists completely trusted the system.  If a policy letter or bulletin appeared, over Hubbard's signature, well, that was it – it came from Ron.  If it was later cancelled or revised, well, that must have been what Ron wanted done.

But it isn’t that easy any more.

Blame it on David Miscavige.

In the last three decades David Miscavige has been making massive alterations to just about every aspect of the Scientology technology and belief system.  He has drastically changed all the training.  He has changed how, when and why the tech is applied, changing basic definitions of key Scientology terms such as the “Second Dynamic”, the “Floating Needle” and so on.  Miscavige has completely rewritten Hubbard’s cherished books.  Miscavige even hired a voice actor to duplicate Hubbard’s voice to “fix” Hubbard’s lectures.  Everywhere you look in Scientology, you will see Miscavige, not Hubbard as the “Source” of the technology.  Everywhere you look in Scientology, you see Scientology as “re-created” by Miscavige.

And, today, Scientologists are finally realizing that things are not right.  Today, Scientologists are finally becoming aware of how much destruction and corruption Miscavige has inflicted on Scientology.

And therein lies the problem.

You see, Scientologists no longer know exactly which Scientology technology is “pure Hubbard” and which has been corrupted by Miscavige – or others.

The problem is this:  Every time Miscavige stuck his fingers in the technology and changed it the way he envisioned it should be, he claimed to have uncovered some heretofore lost letter or instruction from Hubbard

As time went on, Miscavige stopped even bothering with that canard and just changed whatever he wanted in whatever way he decided was best.  Even OT VIII (all the different versions) is believed by some to be authored by Miscavige and not Hubbard at all.

So, were there lost, hidden instructions from Hubbard for any of these changes?  Were some of the changes things Ron forgot?  Did Ron make fundamental mistakes that needed correction?  Are any of the changes something Ron would approve of?   If so, which?  Who can tell?  Who decides?

Given that Miscavige often bragged that he had mastered Hubbard’s handwriting and could forge documents and even Ron’s signature perfectly, is there any way to definitively prove any piece of tech changed in the last 30 years is “pure Hubbard”?

That's a major problem for Scientologists.  But wait, there’s more.

Now that the Scientology bubble has burst, Scientologists are now able to access hitherto forbidden documents.  Like the documentation that shows David Mayo was actually the person who developed and wrote the NOTs technology and the Happiness Rundown.  Additional documents indicate that other Scientology tech might have been developed by others – Power Processing, for instance.

What used to be a very simple thing for Scientologists has now become incredibly complex, if not impossible.

If a Scientologist still wants to apply Scientology, well, what is Scientology now?

And this is the primary source for today's disunity among Scientologists.  Without a trusted authority who can definitively verify and prove which Scientology tech is "pure" and which is corrupted, each Scientologist is forced to work that out for themselves.  And each Scientologist seems to have a different idea on it.

Undoubtedly, many will just find some new authority figure to make that decision for them, but there are now many different authorities with many different ideas on the subject.

No matter what, Scientologists can no longer be a completely united group.  From now on, a Scientologist's personal determination as to what works and what doesn't work is paramount, whether anyone verifies it as "pure" or not.

And that's actually the right way to do it.

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Re: [Ask the Scientologist] Scientologists Disunited
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 03:32 »
If I'm recalling correctly, wasn't the problem of who contributed what an issue from the beginning in the 50's? ISTR that in Scientology's early days, Hubbard took recommendations on how better to apply the tech [sic] from others, and passed them off as his own without acknowledging the sources.

Or is my memory messing with me once more? :(
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Re: [Ask the Scientologist] Scientologists Disunited
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 10:03 »
If I'm recalling correctly, wasn't the problem of who contributed what an issue from the beginning in the 50's? ISTR that in Scientology's early days, Hubbard took recommendations on how better to apply the tech [sic] from others, and passed them off as his own without acknowledging the sources.

Or is my memory messing with me once more? :(

Your memory is excellent; Hubbard stole from many much smarter people when he first came up with dianetics, and stole more whenever he could. And even when he copied good stuff , he still managed to transform it to evil. One early review of DMSMH had it sussed (IIRC): "What is good in it is not original; what is original in it is not good!"

'til next time;
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Re: [Ask the Scientologist] Scientologists Disunited
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 19:09 »
"Your memory is excellent" is a phrase I never expect to hear. :P

Anyway, I know about his taking from other non-$cilon sources. What I meant in the last post was the stuff from from other $cilons who were on the practical side of enacting the tech, and reported back to him about what they thought did and didn't work.

Of course, no matter what the source in question, we all know Hubby was a plagaristic asshole. :P
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 21:29 »
Anyway, I know about his taking from other non-$cilon sources. What I meant in the last post was the stuff from from other $cilons who were on the practical side of enacting the tech, and reported back to him about what they thought did and didn't work.

Yes, one of the people (a scientologist) that he took from has died recently, Alan Walter.  He had left the CoS and developed his own brand of tech, which he called knowledgeism.  Apparently, a lot of people, believers and not, liked him and will miss him.

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Re: [Ask the Scientologist] Scientologists Disunited
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 21:30 »
Eyup!

'til next time;
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Re: [Ask the Scientologist] Scientologists Disunited
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 23:07 »
Must be confusing to be a scientologist.........
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