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Celebrity Scientology is NOT Regular Scientology
« on: June 30, 2009, 20:02 »
Great article about the treatment of celebrity scientologists VS regular scientologists. 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-06-28/is-the-churchs-wall-cracking/


         Several recent high-profile Scientology defections have led some to wonder whether one of the church’s most visible members, John Travolta, may be next. Kim Masters reports.
The St. Petersburg Times ran an extraordinary three-part series on Scientology last week featuring interviews with some very high-level defectors. Among the claims: that 49-year-old Scientology leader David Miscavige, a close associate of the church’s biggest star Tom Cruise, dished out constant physical abuse to his associates.
One of the key sources in the articles, Mike Rinder, was assigned to deal with me when I wrote a 2005 magazine article about Cruise. A fallen-away Rinder speaking on the record is a big get, as any journalist who has covered Scientology knows. Marty Rathbun is a big name in Scientology circles, too. Both were high-ranking members of the Sea Organization, Scientology’s upper-level staff. Sea Org members commit to the job for one billion years (with breaks provided to accommodate childhood at the beginning of each new incarnation). They live in dorms and are not permitted to have children.
“Celebrities only talk to people who have a certain level of ‘clearance,’ ” says Nancy Many, an ex-Scientologist who served as president of the group’s Celebrity Centre. “The Scientology they get is not the Scientology that an ordinary person gets.”
Rinder says he endured dozens of beatings; he and Rathbun say they inflicted some, too, under orders from Miscavige. The articles say Miscavige exerts such influence that “managers follow his orders, however bizarre, with lemming-like obedience.” Rathbun now says he ordered the destruction of evidence after a member's death brought on investigations and litigation. He also was involved in one of Scientology’s biggest coups: getting the IRS to grant the group tax-exempt status.
Needless to say, the Church of Scientology vehemently denies the allegations in the series and portrays those who made them as embittered apostates seeking to wrest control of the church from Miscavige. So Rinder is now denounced as an apostate; if memory serves me, he used that word repeatedly when attacking the credibility of former Scientologists who spoke in my article about Cruise.
None of the allegations against Miscavige is likely to reach the ears of many Scientologists, especially celebrity members and the Sea Org members, who are not supposed to own cellphones, watch television, or surf the Web. “That’s built into them from day one,” says Tory Christman, who spent 20 years in Scientology. “Don’t look at the entheta—it will ruin your bridge to total freedom.” (In Scientology parlance, good news is theta news; entheta is the opposite.)
“You’re basically placed in a bubble, exactly like in The Truman Show,” said another longtime church member, Michael Pattinson. “You never hear bad news.” (Pattinson said the church had told him it could “cure” him of homosexuality but after spending more than 20 years and laying out hundreds of thousands of dollars, he concluded that the treatment wasn’t working.)
While fallen-away Scientologists think Cruise is firmly inside that bubble, some former Scientologists nurse hopes that John Travolta may be getting restless. A few who knew him during their time as members hope that he will question Scientology’s opposition to the use of medication following the death of his son in January. (Sixteen-year-old Jett Travolta suffered from autism and his death has been ascribed to a seizure disorder. Former Scientologists—including Christman, who says she has epilepsy and paid a high price after going off her meds at Scientology’s urging—say the church does not recognize autism as a medical condition.) But Travolta’s publicist says the star is steadfast: “He’s very much part of the Church of Scientology. There’s no change there.”
If that commitment is resolute, say fallen-away members, it may be because Travolta’s Scientology is different from that experienced by regular folks. “Celebrities only talk to people who have a certain level of ‘clearance,’ ” says Nancy Many, an ex-Scientologist who served as president of the group’s Celebrity Centre. (“Clear” in Scientology refers to a trouble-free state that doesn’t come cheaply or easily.) She adds, “The Scientology they get is not the Scientology that an ordinary person gets. It is purposely kept away from them.”
Christman says Scientology works hard to ensure that celebrity members are protected from negative information. She worked as a volunteer on and off for 20 years in the church’s Office of Special Affairs. One of her duties, she says, was keeping bad news about Scientology from John Travolta (or “keeping entheta off his lines”). When anti-Scientology demonstrators turned up at Travolta’s appearances, for example, her job was to keep the critics away from the actor.
One of the gospels of the anti-Scientology movement is an affidavit that another fallen-away member of Scientology, Andre Tabayoyon, provided some years ago in a lawsuit involving the church. He spent 20 years in the Sea Org until he dropped out in 1992. He described his time working at the Scientology celebrity hangout known as Gold—a lavishly appointed 500-acre resort near the high-desert town of Hemet, about 90 miles from Los Angeles. Cruise has been a frequent visitor there and former Scientologists have described Miscavige’s determination to fulfill the star’s every wish.
Gold features a full-scale replica of a clipper ship. (Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard—“the Commodore”—had a passion for all things naval.) Inside the vessel are a sauna, Jacuzzi, and large pool. The facility also includes a recording studio, film and sound-editing facilities and a nine-hole golf course. Tabayoyon, who declined to talk about Scientology when I sought his comment, told dark tales of forced labor and stories of individuals being driven to psychotic episodes.
In Tabayoyon’s time, according to his affidavit, only Miscavige was permitted to speak to Cruise when he visited the facility. When a gardener spoke to the star once, the affidavit said, it caused “a major flap.”
Cruise may still have a certain level of remove, though he certainly seems aware at this point that his enthusiastic public embrace of Scientology has not endeared him to fans. But former Scientologists say that for many still on the inside, the church walls are not as thick as they used to be. These days, “you can sit in your dining room, click on a little link and read about [Scientology],” Christman says. “Everybody’s connected. Before, if you left, you had nobody. Now there’s an army of people saying, `Come on out—we’re having a great time!’ ”
Certainly when I first wrote about Scientology in the pre-Internet era, reaching former members was not easy. There was a great deal of fear among those who had left and a journalist had to go through intermediaries to be connected with people who would not give their real names or provide phone numbers. Now there numerous people like Christman and Many who speak openly.
“We’re finally standing up,” Many says. “Everybody’s got their YouTube or Twitter videos. It’s the Web sites, the computers, the Internet age. We’re talking and the air is being cleansed.”
Kim Masters is the host of The Business, public radio's weekly show about the business of show business. She is also the author of The Keys to the Kingdom: The Rise of Michael Eisner and the Fall of Everybody Else.
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Re: Celebrity Scientology is NOT Regular Scientology
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2009, 09:52 »
This article discusses the "celebrity centers"  and how lavish they are. This is remarkable when compared to the life of those in the sea org.   

The point of the article seems to indicate the cult is turning on the Travolta for not being "enough" of a scientologists as differing reports on Jets death keep coming out.  I thought I heard that Kelly Preston was stronger in the scientology faith.

Anyway article is below:


http://www.examiner.com/x-15228-Celebrity-Kids-Examiners~y2009m7d6-Is-John-Travolta-being-pushed-out-of-Scientology--Was-the-death-of-his-child-the-last-straw
Is John Travolta being pushed out of Scientology?Kim Masters from the Daily Beast has a new report out asking if John Travolta, one of the most famous Scientologists, is on his way out of the group.  According to the article, several prominent ex-Scientologists are wondering if Travolta will soon be leaving the church.  Recent behavior by other Scientologists on the internet hints that perhaps the pressure to leave is coming also from within Scientology itself.               According to Masters, being a celebrity Scientologist is a very different experience from being in the rank and file.  Celebrities are sheltered from bad news and criticism of Scientology, with church volunteers assigned to celebrities to keep protestors away.  The Scientology centers that deal with famous members are lavish buildings, like the Gold Center, which is reported to include golfing, jacuzzis, and recording and film studios.  Non-celebrity Scientologists, on the other hand, are reportedly subject to much harsher treatment, with rumors of beatings and forced labor.
Now some of the former members are wondering if John Travolta will finally leave the church.  After the death of his 16-year-old son, Jett, these ex-members now hope that the church's strong opposition to medication will be the final straw for the star.  It was widely rumored before his death that Jett Travolta suffered from autism, a diagnosis that is discouraged under Scientology's anti-psychiatry doctrine.  Publicly, the Travolta family never acknowledged the questions of autism, instead insisting that Jett suffered from Kawasaki disease, a disorder resulting from toxins in the environment.  However, it was revealed that Travolta told investigating police in the Bahamas that his son was autistic.
Perhaps the most interesting part of this autism revelation was the reaction by self-proclaimed Scientologists.  It is widely believed that the upper echelons of Scientology have teams of volunteers who patrol the internet looking for articles that question the church.  This led Wikipedia to lock down it's article on Scientology, preventing editing by computers with addresses from within the Church headquarters.  This kind of internet "policing" also appears to happen regularly on blogs about celebrity Scientologists like Tom Cruise.
Now it appears that the same is happening with articles about John Travolta, but the message from Scientologists seems to be castigating the celebrity.  When the story broke about the police report admitting that Jett Travolta had autism, comments from those claiming to be Scientologists were unsympathetic to Travolta, even accusing him of not being a real Scientologist.

Said one commenter on an article about the autism connection, "Real Scientologists know autism isn't a valid diagnosis. There's no blood test that can find it or diagnostic procedure that can detect it, it's purely in the mind. I've suspected for a long time that Travolta wasn't a real Scientologist, he simply jumped on the bandwagon when it was becoming popular. It's about time he was outed if he's going to go around talking against the core beliefs. It makes us all look bad, and it's no wonder there's so much confusion about Scientology with people like him running his mouth. "  Another said, "John, you are an embarrassment to all of Scientology for turning to the pseudoscience of psychiatry. This is the overt that pulled in the tragic end cycle of your son. Please, John, for the love of god, get your ethics in and PLEASE disconnect from the psychs."

Are these lone members of the Church insulting John Travolta, or are they pushing a Church-approved member that Travolta is a traitor?  Is this a way to bring Travolta back in line with the Church?  Or as a commenter on this article suggests, just a way to make Scientology look bad?  There is no way of knowing.  Whatever the truth, there is no doubt that Travolta is still mourning the death of his son.  Losing a child is the greatest loss a parent can experience.[/]
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Re: Celebrity Scientology is NOT Regular Scientology
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2009, 13:29 »
Should we attempt to encourage him to leave?  Let him know there are people out there who will support him, not insult him, and treat him well?  I'm not even sure how messed up a celeb Scientologist would be, or if it would be different from the 'rank and file' as so well said by the article.


Here's how to contact him via his agent:

William Morris Agency
One William Morris Place
Beverly Hills, California 90212
USA


Fan Mail Address:

John Travolta
P.O. Box 3560
Santa Barbara CA 93130
USA

A quick guide to make sue your letter is read:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1137142
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Re: Celebrity Scientology is NOT Regular Scientology
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2009, 08:30 »
Article about John and Kelly being invited to talk about their grief:
http://glosslip.com/2009/07/10/scientologists-john-travolta-and-kelly-preston-to-be-interviewed-at-shrivers-womens-conference/

not much new info in their though
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Re: Celebrity Scientology is NOT Regular Scientology
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2009, 13:55 »
 I tend not to be one whom visits these quasi so-called news/entertainment sites. I do not put celebrities or anyone else on a pedestal, to be looked up to or followed. Unless you have proven time and again, unselfish acts of compassion and kindness towards your fellow man or have added to the overall health and well being of society. If one has done so, then i will make my own personal choice as to if i will pay attention to or garner those individuals praise. Having said that, i do find it of interest to the general public, when a fellow member of this so-called church (Scientology) does not march lock step with that of the writings and teaching of science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, that individual is singled out as not towing said party line, then that individual is belittled by his or her fellow adherents.

 Case in point being the Travolta family. As i personally will never know the full story or extent of this families involvement with Scientology, i can not fathom the loss of a child. Then to have under the cloak of anonymity on the internet, your fellow so-called Scientology church members judge and or berate you on your personal thought processes because of a tragic event that happened to you and your family!

 It is very interesting to note many of the so-called scientologists that lambast John Travolta, post anonymously. I would image that if one is proud of his or her religious stance, that individual would be proud of whom they are via that religious stance.

 Yet the internet has allowed a very interesting form of communication to develop. That being what one would say to someone face to face as opposed to what someone would post in an anonymous manner. I see this phenomenon on many an internet site. Interesting huh!

 Now getting back to the "Who is a REAL scientologist and who is not". Well, to me, within many groups,clubs,churches,cults etc, one will find those that feel they are the true face of the afore mentioned entities. I guess this is where human nature comes into play.

 If John and Kelly Travolta have come to a point at which they question some of the aspects of their chosen belief system and how it may or may not have played a role in how they as parents did or did not address their sons malady, that is not for anyone else to decide. We as humans go thru many phases within our lives. We try different things. Some good, some bad. Those are issues that only the Travolta's can answer.

 We all hopefully learn from these collective life experiences. That is how we come to understand ourselves. Then grow as human beings. Though i feel very sorry that Mr and Mrs Travolta lost a son, i dearly hope that their alignment with an ideology (Scientology) did not contribute to his untimely death. If within this great life journey, the Travolta,s have learned a lesson, i hope that they come to the conclusion that maybe their chosen belief system does not have all the answers to life's many questions. Heck! What belief system does have all the answers?

 If in fact the Travolta's are asking themselves questions, is that not a good thing? Is that not growth? If Scientology or those that adhere to that so-called religion think otherwise, those individuals will forever be locked in a repetitive cycle of group mind think. A follow the pack mentality. For this poster, this is one of the many facets of Scientology that i find very disturbing. I guess this is where the "Cult' moniker comes from.

 Now if the Travolta family do in fact break the chain of mental bondage Scientology has wrought on them, i say more power to them. Once you as a human being THINK for yourself, many of life's burdens do in fact become bearable.  :D
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