Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Pages: [1]   Go Down

Author Topic: A little piece of history  (Read 239 times)

ethercat

  • Global Moderator
  • High Value Target
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2,078
A little piece of history
« on: July 03, 2009, 21:59 »
For those who think David Miscavige is the evil behind scientology, and that scientology was better when Hubbard was in charge, and for the rest of us who just like history:

Scientology: Death by Devotion by Skip Press 

Quote
It’s funny how people will take lies as gospel and give power to people who have the worst of intentions. It’s gone on for thousands of years, as Cicero pointed out in Roman times:

“For there are not so many possessed of virtue as there are that desire to seem virtuous. These last are delighted with flattery, and when false statements are framed purposely to satisfy and please them, they take the falsehood as valid testimony to their merit.” — De Amicitia, Scipio’s Dream

I saw this personally, when I worked for a lady named Yvonne Jentzsch, the founder of the Scientology Celebrity Centre in Los Angeles. Yvonne was a former kindergarten teacher from Australia who reminded me of the fairy godmother in Walt Disney’s Cinderella. It was because of her that I came to Los Angeles and ended up working for $5 a week and room and board, touting the supposedly spectacular effects of “the world’s fastest-growing religion.” I studied “policies” written by L. Ron Hubbard with sentiments like “always attack, never defend.” Working as a treasurer, I learned to lie to creditors and to yell at people and accuse them of crimes. I was told that non-Scientologists were stupid “wogs” (a derogatory term Hubbard lifted from the British, like he borrowed most of his “great ideas”). Meanwhile, Scientologists were told that we were the natural aristocracy of the spiritual universe, in so many words. Thus, when Hubbard insisted that the survival of the planet depended on Scientology taking over, we fell for it.


http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/spress/2009/01/28/death-by-devotion/#more-32238

more at the link ... and more links too ...
Logged
Why do people join Scientology?  Why do they leave?
http://ThroughTheDoor.net

Have you been to Narconon?  Please consider taking the Narconon Survey at:
http://reachingforthetippingpoint.net/narcononsurvey/

Lorelei

  • Hill 10 Situation
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 895
  • I can haz ferret.
Re: A little piece of history
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2009, 15:01 »
See also: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/mayo.htm (David Mayo)


Quote
Mary Sue [Hubbard] was in LA when I went to see her. She had a house off Mulholland Drive overlooking the valley, a fairly posh area. There was a point earlier when she had been told he was going to divorce her and she was extremely upset. The fact that after all she had done for him and the fact that there had been numerous opportunities to betray him - she had already covered up for him - and she had taken so much brunt, she couldn't even believe he would think that was letting her face the music. That had an eye-opening effect on me.

[L. Ron Hubbard] could be capable of incredible cruelty. On the ship there was an old man on the Royal Scotman who he made push a peanut round the decks with his nose. He had to get down on his hands and knees, he had to go round the deck, quite a long distance in a race with one or two others also in trouble. The first one back got let off and the last one got a double penalty. It was really tough on this old guy, Charlie Reisdorf. The surface of the deck was very rough wood, prone to splinter, so after pushing peanuts with their noses, they all had raw, bleeding noses, leaving a trail of blood behind them. I not only saw it but the entire crew of the ship was mustered - a mandatory attendance - we were required to watch this punishment, to make an example of it for the rest of us. Reisdorf was in his late 50s probably. His two daughters were messengers, they were 11 or 12 at time and his wife was there also. It was hard to say which was worse to watch: this old guy with a bleeding nose or his wife and kids sobbing and crying at being forced to watch this. Hubbard was standing there calling the shots, yelling, "Faster, Faster!". It was indignity, degradation and breaking a person's will, and making people watch. It was disgusting.

They used to have people locked in the chain locker, including small children. It was very dangerous because if the anchor started to slip and start running out, it would turn a body into pulp in no time at all. I saw children locked up in the chain locker.

He had a birthday party on March 13 1968; there was a woman who he ordered locked in the chain locker. During the party he had her brought out. She was filthy, covered with dirt and rust, and had not been allowed to wash or change clothes - she had been in there a week. She was pretty dirty - he brought her out to the party, he said he was giving her a reprieve and permitting her to come to the party, as if that was a nice gesture. She still wasn't allowed to wash or change, so she was brought to the party and had to stay and later she was returned [to the locker]. He said he was giving her a reprieve but it was just flaunting her degradation. It had looked like things were lightening up a little, people thought maybe things were getting better, then this happened and people were shocked and it gave us a sinister chill. She was in a dress.

Why did people stand by? Another common reason was that if a person doesn't make waves they hope to rise up high enough in the org to get to a position of authority, to the top of the org board and "I'll be able to change it." A very high percentage of staff hoped that one day they would be able to change it.

From time to time, Hubbard would cancel such activities, like the chain locker, and blame it on someone else. He said that no one was to be put into the chain locker by his order or decree, and Baron Burez was an evil monster for having chain lockered people. Baron was a US crew member and went into disfavour. He would start such pronouncements with, "It has just come to my attention that..."

The length of time for children would vary, but no one was there less than a day. The average was a week or two. Three weeks was about the maximum. Age didn't matter. The youngest kids were 5, 6 or 7. Old, young, men, women, big, little; it wouldn't matter because to Scientologists the being is ageless so you don't think in terms of how young or old someone is.

[RE: the] Reisdorf affair - if someone tried to do something it would have been worse. Hubbard said that maritime law prevailed, like in days of Hornblower, when the captain of ship has the power of God Almighty. He said under maritime law he had total power over everyone on the vessel.

The idea of being overboarded or beached was terrible. People were beached in sometimes fairly hostile countries, like Algeria and Tunis, Beached meant put ashore without passport or money, just the clothes you stood in and you were on your own. When I joined the Sea Org I often considered returning to NZ but I was a little naive at the time - the idea of being beached was very formidable. I didn't know how to go about earning money and getting home. The other part was being out of Scientology forever and cast into alien world of "wogs".

Scientology can't be run like the AA [Mayo's breakaway Advanced Ability Center] because Hubbard didn't set it up to run that way in his policy letters.

Also also, see Jesse Prince's 1998 affidavit: http://www.xenu.net/archive/so/1stprince.html
Logged
"Once the foundation of a revolution has been laid down, it is almost always
in the next generation that the revolution is accomplished." -- Jean d'Alembert

The Human Wiki.
"I spend hours surfing the web for information, so you don't have to!"
Pages: [1]   Go Up
 


Page created in 0.186 seconds with 18 queries.