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mefree

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Resisting influence
« on: February 16, 2010, 22:07 »
http://www.lucifereffect.com/
http://www.prisonexp.org/
http://www.lucifereffect.com/heroism.htm
http://www.lucifereffect.com/guide.htm

It is well-known that scientology wields influence over its members.

Some of the following is posted elsewhere. I started looking around on the website and found much thought-provoking information.

For those who are not familiar, Philip Zimbardo has a book out, The Lucifer Effect: Understanding How Good People Turn Evil (Random House, 2007).
More about that here: http://www.lucifereffect.com/

I'm sure most of you have some knowledge of the Stanford Experiment: http://www.prisonexp.org/

This section on resisting influence was a particularly fascinating read to me: http://www.lucifereffect.com/guide.htm

Prepared by Philip Zimbardo and Cindy X. Wang

Why We Conform: The Power of Groups

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Whenever we change our behavior, views, and attitudes in response to the real or imagined presence of others, we are experiencing conformity. Why we conform is a topic of great interest to social psychologists. In particular, the classic studies of Solomon Asch and Muzafer Sherif have shed light on the determinants of conformity. Their research and that of others (Morton Deutsch and Hal Gerard) has demonstrated two main types of conformity: informational and normative. Informative conformity often occurs in situations in which there is high uncertainty and ambiguity. In an unfamiliar situation, we are likely to shape our behavior to match that of others. The actions of others inform us of the customs and accepted practices in a situation. Others inform us of what is right to do, how to behave in new situations.

In addition to conforming to the group norms due to lack of knowledge, we also conform when we want to be liked by the group. This type of conformity, called normative conformity, is the dominant form of social conformity when we are concerned about making a good impression in front of a group. Though we may disagree secretly with the group opinion, we may verbally adopt the group stance so that we seem like a team player rather than a deviant.

Both of these pressures impact us everyday, for good or for worse. A staple of a functioning society is that people follow social norms such as obeying traffic laws, respecting others’ property, and diffusing aggression in non-violent ways. However, conformity can have deleterious effects if one conforms automatically without questioning of the validity of social norms. In Nazi Germany, many ordinary people did not dissent to the ongoing atrocities because few other people resisted. Similarly, in the Stanford Prison Experiment, the subjects who were randomly assigned as guards gradually adopted the behavior of cruel and demanding prison guards because that became the behavioral norm in an alien situation.

In our daily decisions, we should also examine whether our reasons justify our actions. In an unfamiliar situation, first ask yourself whether the actions you observe others performing is rational, warranted, and consistent with your own principles before thoughtlessly and automatically adopting them.

Similarly, in a situation in which you want to impress and be accepted by others, ask yourself whether the action conflicts with your moral code, and consider whether you would be willing to compromise your own opinion of yourself just so others would have a higher one of you. Ultimately, you are the only one who has to live with your actions. Also take a time out to find out the correct information.

To resist the powers of group conformity: know what you stand for; determine how really important it is that these other people like you, especially when they are strangers; recognize that there are other groups who would be delighted to have you as a member; take a future perspective to imagine what you will think of your current conforming action at some time in the future.
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Re: Resisting influence
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 22:30 »
 Gawd. Another thing I need to file in my anxiety closet. GUILTY AS CHARGED! ;D. And all this time I thought it was peer group pressure. :o

 Very interesting read.

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To resist the powers of group conformity: know what you stand for; determine how really important it is that these other people like you, especially when they are strangers; recognize that there are other groups who would be delighted to have you as a member; take a future perspective to imagine what you will think of your current conforming action at some time in the future.

Profound!
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Re: Resisting influence
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2010, 10:22 »
@mefree.

Setting aside my attempts at humor, these links you posted are very interesting. What is interesting are the parallels that not only can be drawn between our everyday interactions with other people, but also how individuals can become influenced to become cult like in their behavior. Our need to 'belong" or "Liked" can, unbeknownst to  us, betray our real selves. We get lost. Our own identity becomes based on mirroring a "Group Think".

Belonging to a group in itself is not an issue in my opinion. It does become an issue when you loose your own identity in order to belong to said group. Marching along haphazardly within a said group dynamic leaves one to not thinking for themselves. I know I have done this many a time throughout my life. Fortunately, I did not become involved with any group that could have robbed me of my individuality.

In all honesty, this almost happened within my activism. Fortunately for me, I finally caught myself pandering to a group think mentality and began acting in a way that manifested itself from the true me. Agreeing with an issue is one thing. To hand over you're individually to placate a group is another matter entirely.
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Re: Resisting influence
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 23:37 »
In the current events section, I found this example very sad:   

   
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“I’m ashamed of my school,” the seventh-grader said quietly.
     Since 12 year-olds are prone to finding fault with anything and everything having to do with school, you might under normal circumstances dismiss this statement as normal griping.
     But, these were not normal circumstances.
     The school in question was A.E. Wright Middle School in Calabasas, California. A.E. Wright is regarded as one of the top middle schools in the area. Some families live within the boundaries of the Las Virgenes School District just so that their children can attend A.E. Wright. As an A.E. Wright parent, I can say that I have found it to be an excellent school.
     But, on Friday, November 20, A.E. Wright became the object of some very undesirable publicity.
     Some A.E. Wright students were assaulted that day by classmates. The victims of these assaults all had one characteristic in common: they were redheads.
     Although no serious injuries resulted, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is treating the incidents as possible felony assaults. The most serious incident (at least the most serious incident reported so far) involved a redheaded boy who was punched and kicked when he arrived at school Friday morning.
     Why redheads and why this particular Friday?
     Well, as the facts begin to accumulate, it seems that something got organized on Facebook called “Kick A Ginger Day.”
     Kick A Ginger Day was apparently inspired by an episode of the popular animated series South Park in which a redheaded boy ( the derogatory term applied to redheads was “ginger”) was subjected to harassment because of his hair color.
     The irony here is that Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the creators of South Park, were attempting to satirize racial prejudice in that episode by basing discrimination on something as inconsequential as hair color.
     Instead, South Park unwittingly inspired the very prejudice and violence that it attempted to ridicule.
     Or . . . maybe it’s going a little too far to say that South Park “inspired” the anti-redhead violence at A.E. Wright. Perhaps a more fair assessment is that South Park provided an excuse for the kind of hazing and harassment that goes on way too often among middle schoolers.
     What is the response to this inconceivably senseless string of assaults?
     The details are still a bit murky. Reports indicate that as many as fourteen students at A.E. Wright might have participated, to one degree or another, in Kick A Ginger Day. The first obvious response is to investigate the incidents thoroughly, identify each of the assailants and the degree of participation, and take appropriate disciplinary action. With the Sheriff’s Department involved, criminal charges are certainly within the realm of possibility.
     But . . . what is the long-term response?

more at http://www.lucifereffect.com/theologyblog.htm?articleID=47
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 11:16 »
   

   
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“I’m ashamed of my school,” the seventh-grader said quietly.
     Since 12 year-olds are prone to finding fault with anything and everything having to do with school, you might under normal circumstances dismiss this statement as normal griping.
     But, these were not normal circumstances.
     The school in question was A.E. Wright Middle School in Calabasas, California. A.E. Wright is regarded as one of the top middle schools in the area. Some families live within the boundaries of the Las Virgenes School District just so that their children can attend A.E. Wright. As an A.E. Wright parent, I can say that I have found it to be an excellent school.
     But, on Friday, November 20, A.E. Wright became the object of some very undesirable publicity.
     Some A.E. Wright students were assaulted that day by classmates. The victims of these assaults all had one characteristic in common: they were redheads.
     Although no serious injuries resulted, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is treating the incidents as possible felony assaults. The most serious incident (at least the most serious incident reported so far) involved a redheaded boy who was punched and kicked when he arrived at school Friday morning.
     Why redheads and why this particular Friday?
     Well, as the facts begin to accumulate, it seems that something got organized on Facebook called “Kick A Ginger Day.”
     Kick A Ginger Day was apparently inspired by an episode of the popular animated series South Park in which a redheaded boy ( the derogatory term applied to redheads was “ginger”) was subjected to harassment because of his hair color.
     The irony here is that Trey Parker and Matt Stone, the creators of South Park, were attempting to satirize racial prejudice in that episode by basing discrimination on something as inconsequential as hair color.
     Instead, South Park unwittingly inspired the very prejudice and violence that it attempted to ridicule.
     Or . . . maybe it’s going a little too far to say that South Park “inspired” the anti-redhead violence at A.E. Wright. Perhaps a more fair assessment is that South Park provided an excuse for the kind of hazing and harassment that goes on way too often among middle schoolers.
     What is the response to this inconceivably senseless string of assaults?
     The details are still a bit murky. Reports indicate that as many as fourteen students at A.E. Wright might have participated, to one degree or another, in Kick A Ginger Day. The first obvious response is to investigate the incidents thoroughly, identify each of the assailants and the degree of participation, and take appropriate disciplinary action. With the Sheriff’s Department involved, criminal charges are certainly within the realm of possibility.
     But . . . what is the long-term response?

 Oh the parallels!. I was considered an "outlier" during high school and on the receiving end of group bullying. Up until a certain grade, I was in private school. My parents were on the home and school board association. Hence, I was not allowed to be a part of what i percieved @ the time as the "in" crowd. Then I went to a public school. YIKES.

 I let my hair grow past my shoulders. The cool kids in school were all jocks. They raged on we 'freaks" as they called us. I got my butt kicked on one occasion. I still fight that fight in my dreams sometimes.  Pres Nixon and his group were still wanting us boys to play or report our addie to the SSB on a monthly basis.Maybe see southeast asia on Uncle Sam,s dime. :-\. To influence us to fear the asian communist boogeyman. Thankfully I missed that party. ;D
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Re: Resisting influence
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2010, 13:32 »
I think all of us, if we are honest with ourselves, have at one time or another succumbed to "peer pressure" or groupthink, some of us even to "engineered influence" or manipulation.  Certainly, schoolyard bullies operate this way, and to some people, it seems to come naturally, without thinking (or perhaps even without realizing) about the steps involved, which they use.

Some of the exes I have talked to, one in particular, have cautioned me against thinking I am immune to the methods used by scientology and other similar cons and agendas.  Yes, scientology, I believe I am probably immune to, but would I be immune to similar methods used by some other group or individual?  Probably not completely, but I believe remaining vigilant, introspecting (which I seem to do a lot of), and just being aware of the methods will go a long way toward recognizing it when it occurs, and I find myself falling under the spell, so to speak.  Long ago, I read a book called I Can Sell You Anything, which demonstrated the methods used by advertisers to influence people, and I think it helped me to recognize these methods and to think critically.

The following is one of the methods used by scientology:
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One of the most powerful forms of influence is self-persuasion, where conditions are set up that encourage individuals to engage in personal thought and decision processes. Obviously we tend to know our strengths and weaknesses better than do others, so we can tailor self-generated persuasive messages likely to be effective. One tactic for inducing self-persuasion comes from role-playing positions that are contrary to one’s beliefs and values. Also when we are resolving a commitment we have made to engage in public behavior that does not follow from our personal beliefs, cognitive dissonance is created. To the extent that we come to believe we made that commitment freely, without (awareness of) external situational pressures, we start to rationalize it and come to convince ourselves that it was the right action and the right position to hold.

They facilitate the individual convincing themselves that they themselves hold the intended beliefs, and as the author points out, that is one of the most powerful means of influence.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 09:06 »
Related: http://www.fluge.com/the-stanford-prison-experiment-movie.html

Giovanni Ribisi is listed as part of the cast.
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 10:17 »
Bozo Sapiens: Scientology: Belonging

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You don’t need me to tell you about Scientology: you either know nothing about it (in which case I suggest you stay that way), or you know so much that I am unlikely to change your mind. You, do, though, need me to tell you about Robber’s Cave.


In 1954, twenty-two 11-year-olds headed off for summer camp at Robber’s Cave State Park near Wilburton, Oklahoma. They were not to know that they were actually experimental subjects, nor that the counselors were psychology graduate students and the kindly janitor was really the lead professor, Muzafer Sherif. All they knew was that they were going to meet a bunch of new kids and that it might be fun or it might not.


Sherif divided the campers randomly into two groups, initially kept well apart from each other. They chose their own group names (one was the Eagles, the other the Rattlers), designed their group flags, and went out on activities within their units; they made friends. At that point, the researchers arranged a series of games between the groups, with desirable prizes. Almost immediately, a bad-tempered rivalry arose between Rattlers and Eagles; there were accusations of cheating, surreptitious shoving, refusal to eat together. Things escalated when the Eagles burned the Rattlers’ flag and the Rattlers raided the Eagles’ cabin, stealing their prizes. Shared pleasurable events, like cookouts, failed bring the groups together: these simply became an occasion for more posturing, insults, and food-throwing.


The point is that humans are compulsive tribe-joiners; even when chosen at random, we naturally believe our bunch is the best. Moreover, we don’t just feel loyalty to a group, we feel loyalty against others; we easily come to believe that outsiders are morally inferior and inherently inimical to us, the chosen ones. Of course we throw jell-o at them – they were just about to do it to us.


L. Ron Hubbard, the struggling science fiction writer whose Church of Scientology in California was founded today in 1954, had an almost limitless appetite for loyalty: “All men are your slaves,” appears in one of his notebooks; in another, “You can be merciless whenever your will is crossed and you have the right to be merciless.” Driven by hopes of “smashing my name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form,” he was, in the late 1940s, oppressed by a sense of failure, by money and marital troubles, and by suicidal thoughts. At the same time, he knew he had talents: a relentless capacity to turn out prose, a knack for hypnotism, and a power to impose his personality on others – charming, inspiring, and bullying weaker natures into an unquestioning devotion. He lacked only a vehicle: he tried black magic in the manner of Aleister Crowley; he tried the pseudo-science of “dianetics” (which, though a publishing success, left him open to the scorn of real scientists) – and then he hit on it: a religion. The same “path to mental health” that he claimed to have discovered could be now a matter of faith, not reason – which is how most people prefer to believe things, anyway.


Scientology has many aspects that make it almost the perfect tribe. It isolates and objectifies the self-doubts of those who come to it, and offers a structured (if very expensive) way to overcome them. It has a different phrase, structure, and procedure for everything: Hubbard spent the last 36 years of his life in the tireless production of new jargon and arcana. The life of “staff members” becomes fully absorbed by their membership: as one said, “my social activities, my spiritual growth, my involvement in the community, the camaraderie, the parties — the church integrates itself into all aspects of your life.” There are uniforms, compounds, celebrities – and what better faith for an actor, with the profession’s deep insecurities, than one advocating that all affluence is deserved through one’s own hard-bought mental superiority? Best of all, there is the excitement of permanent hatreds and battles: with psychiatry, the IRS, “renegade” members, journalists – all subject to Hubbard’s doctrine of Fair Game, in which enemies “may be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.” The Rattlers and Eagles would have signed up immediately.

more at http://bozosapiens.blogspot.com/2010/02/scientology-belonging.html
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 11:24 »
Out of curiosity, I looked up "Robber's Cave" and came across more detailed descriptions of the experiment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realistic_conflict_theory
http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/social/sherif_robbers_cave_experiment.html

The two 'rival' groups set aside those rivalries when they had to work together to solve common problems such as fixing the water supply.  Something, perhaps, to keep in mind.
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 11:34 »
Thanks for posting that. In fact, according to information found there:

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The Robbers Cave experiment is one of social psychology's most cited studies dealing with differentiation, showing how easily opposing in-groups and group hostilities can form. At the same time, it is one of the best examples of conflict resolution brought about by finding super-ordinate needs that transcend intergroup conflict.
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