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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #40 on: September 09, 2010, 19:37 »
A poster on WWP pointed this out: h t t p://www.purdetoxfieldrep.com/index.html

Currently says:
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Pür Detox Field Rep Site
This site is under construction.

Please go to purdetox. com for info on Pür Detox or call 888-803-xxxx

(Has a Google Analytics tracker, thanks Ghostery.)

Apparently there used to be more, as google's cache shows (hey, I'm not above using google's cache, even if I don't want to be tracked by them  ;) ), and some sections are now password protected:

Pür Detox Hot News
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Pür Detox Hot News
Welcome
Hello Field Rep (FSM)! If you are reading this then you and your group have specifically been invited to be a Pür Detox Field Rep. This site is here as another revolutionary idea put forth by the Founder of Pür Detox so you have up to the minute details about Pür Detox, referral tools, referral tracking and have a definite impact on how Pür Detox becomes more open source for lack of a better word. We want you interacting with us as part of our team. Pür Detox has a vision to be the best detox on earth. That's gonna take you. So, please use this site often. It will be updated in real time and used as a communication portal where you get the data you need whenever you need it. Though it's a new site, we intend to evolve it quickly, based on your needs and wants. Take a look around, we think you may like the concept.
Announcing Pür Arrowhead!
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Pür Arrowhead is opening on Sept 1! Thats right, this is an announcement of not only huge expansion for Pür Detox, but a leap forward for Narconon Arrowhead. Myles Binford (Founder/President) and Skye Logan (Executive Director Int) are already in full blown establishment mode crisscrossing the country, meeting key people and hiring the best of the best. Narconon Arrowhead is preparing for a huge push to bring everyone in as they now have the most technically standard med detox with seamless integration into the Narconon Program, from insurance billing to grooving in those people that Pür Detox will return or send on to Narconon Arrowhead.

Pür Arrowhead is located in a 200 room motel with indoor pool and staff housing. This building has already housed FSM conventions. So, most likely you know what we are talking about and may have stayed there. Based on our estimates, we will be able to deliver to 400 people at a time, thus making us the largest detox on earth.


Currently some key delivery personnel from Pür Detox Laguna Beach are making preparations to head out to Oklahoma for setup and delivery. The building is currently getting some final touches to open our doors on Sept 1 and it won't take long to bring it up to Pür Detox Standards. Once we do we will be updating our primary website to include photos and a virtual tour. Here are some current photos.
Pür Arrowhead - A Revolutionary FSM Game Announcement
This is Myles Binford the President and Founder of Pür Detox and I want to go over how this new game came about and then describe it in detail.

I was contemplating how to completely wipe out Psychiatry one afternoon, which lead me to a series of thougts on how Google, Facebook and Ebay got to where they are. I discovered something eye opening for me. They made something useful and gave it away. For lack of a better word, it's open source, yet they maintain the integrity of their sites, they allow others to use their sites within guidelines. Take Google for instance. You can use their site for free. They'll give you free Gmail and even a free phone line with Google Voice. The whole world uses them and all they do is charge a competitive amount for someone to advertise with them. Ok, how about Facebook. Well same model, different product. How about Ebay? Ebay has an open and easy to use interface. You can sell or you can buy and its rather easy. If you sell, they take a cut. If you use them then you can reach a ton of people since so many are using Ebay.

All this think lead me down a path to how this can be implemented into the Drug Addiction industry and how can I apply it to Pür Detox. The result of this wild idea is Pür Arrowhead as a location. So, whats the idea you ask? Drum roll please...

We make you part of the Pür Detox Team. Simple. If you didn't fall off of your chair, don't worry, you may get your chance to in a moment. Let me explain further. Pür Detox is now, again, for lack of a better word, Open Source. Here is how it works. You are an FSM. You have your own sites or feeder lines and you flow them to Narconon or us based on the drugs the reach is on. You are used to a commission. That's all fine and normal, but how do I get you super excited to contribute to us and  how can I utilize you to help make Pür Detox the largest and most successful detox on Earth?

The answer to that is to make you a "partner" in a certain way that works for everyone.

Therefore, I am announcing "FSM Dividends" for 3 months only starting Sept 1.

Here are the rules:

    * 50% of profits that you bring in, after overhead has been met, will be split with you as an FSM Dividend. We are estimating the overhead to be roughly $300,000. This will be more accurately updated as we get closer to launch and we will do whatever we can to bring that down.
    * Overhead is handled by dividing the number of FSMs that sent arrivals to us during that month and then taking that percentage off the total GI brought in by that FSM.
    * No FSM Dividends will be paid unless you do not meet the minimum amount divided by the group at which point you will get the standard commission.


Here are some examples:

Month of Sept
FSM A: 75K
FSM B: 140K
FSM C: 20K
FSM D: 240K
FSM E: 180K
FSM F: 150K
FSM G: 225K
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$1,030,000 GI

7 FSMs divided by $300,000 overhead= $42, 857 per FSM to cover overhead. This is how owners of a company that share equal shares would do this. So, if each FSM were to minus that from the amount they brought in and then split it by 50%, then that is the figure of your FSM Dividend.

If FSM B were to calculate this then the FSM Dividend would be $48,571. Not a bad paycheck for the month of Sept!!!!

If FSM C were to use the equation then you'd see there would be a negative $22,857. Therefore, FSM C would get a standard FSM Commission and not an FSM Dividend.

So, from this you can deduce a few things. First, you'd probably want to promote like crazy and I have some ideas I will elaborate on in a minute. The next is, the more FSMs the less overhead you have to cover! So, this is a collaboration of FSMs thus the purpose of this site.

Here an FSM Promotion idea. Based on the above numbers, you may want to promote like crazy. If you were to promote by PPC and other paid advertising to increase traffic to you and thus Pür Detox, then the numbers work much to your favor. If you were to put maybe 20K into advertising and you KNEW that you could close 5 30K cycles from that, then you'd bring in 150K. Lets say hypothetically your portion of overhead was 30K. That leaves 130K that is divided in 2 and you are paid half. Yup, thats $65,000 as a paycheck for advertising $20,000 for a total profit of $45,000. (This was my Ebay/Pür Detox blend idea. Like it?)

If you are part of a group such as a Narconon, then this will work out much to your favor. Pür Detox's first purpose, as laid out by its founder, is to assist Narconon by expertly handling medical or psychotropic medications and then routing the addict to Narconon, as long as the person is qualified for Narconon services. This program is beneficial to Narconon Arrowhead as we can handle just about any type of non-street drug case. Once complete with their med detox then they are sent into Narconon Arrowhead to start the next phase of their program. Also, if Narconon has a cycle that doesn't qualify for Narconon, Pür Detox can accept them and help them end their addiction, thus the person isn't referred out and end up in psych hands again. Pür Detox will never accept a person who should be on the Narconon Program. We are experts at handling psych/medical drugs. Narconon handles street drugs. Its pretty clear cut. If someone arrives at Pür Detox and should be at Narconon, then we will send them onto Narconon. If Narconon has a person who should be at a medical detox, whether for a quick med detox or that the person isn't qualified for Narconon then Narconon will send them to us. This is a normal and is the way we work together. We are all on the same purpose lines and follow the same policies and Pur Detox is here for the long haul, so we are strict about this policy.

Per data to hand, there are a tremendous number of people that cannot make it to Narconon due to not being qualified either financially or due to medical drugs, pain meds for physical issues or simply don't have the time or money and want to just detox. Rounding up all of these dropped leads and ensuring they are sent over to us will then greatly improve your income brought in from referring cycles to us. Per reports, FSMC is not tracked very much by several Narconons as a source of income, yet the potential is there. So, if you were to post an FSM I/C and have them track the leads sent to us and you received the FSM Dividend then your gross income for Narconon could be greatly assisted thus creating an economy where everyone wins and more people are taken off of any type of drug. Together, we can win in handling any type of drug case.

Keep in mind FSM Dividends will only go for 3 months. So, this is your chance. At the end, you will have helped a ton of people, made Pür Detox the largest Detox on Earth and you will have been well compensated for your share of hard work.

At the end, we will celebrate and announce a new, long term strategy at the first Pür Detox FSM Convention. More to be announced on this. I can give you a hint, that the top producers will be comped Air and Hotel for two at the Convention. Location? Think exotic... :)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:34BHoCNUkq8J:www.purdetoxfieldrep.com/field-rep-promo.html+%22Pur+Detox+Field+Rep%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

And if we ever wondered if Pur Detox/Narconon/Scientology were related, here it is, the infamous Personality Test results: http://www.purdetoxfieldrep.com/uploads/4/4/1/6/4416841/before__after_sauna_graph-1.jpg
(aka Oxford Capacity Analysis, with absolutely no connection to the University of Oxford, and which does not, despite their implication, have anything to do with IQ)

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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2010, 21:55 »
so they are going to force their agents to pay the costs of the operation, then give them a share of the profits if there are any.

so how much profit do you think there will be after a little 'Hollywood' accounting? Yeah, I can count that high with my mittens on...

like a rotting onion, layer after layer of slime...

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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2010, 23:01 »
so they are going to force their agents to pay the costs of the operation, then give them a share of the profits if there are any.

so how much profit do you think there will be after a little 'Hollywood' accounting? Yeah, I can count that high with my mittens on...

like a rotting onion, layer after layer of slime...

Exactly. Conning the cons.
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2010, 14:13 »
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This is where detox for the newport beach narconon clients was being done in the past. Not sure where the clients come from now.

This company was owned by a scientologist and has changed hands a few times. Last I heard it was being managed by a scientologist who used to work for the previous owner.

From the California State Business Search:
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Data is updated weekly and is current as of Friday, January 22, 2010. It is not a complete or certified record of the entity.
Entity Name:   PUR DETOX, INC.
Entity Number:   C3016334
Date Filed:   06/14/2007
Status:   ACTIVE
Jurisdiction:   CALIFORNIA
Entity Address:   22156 TAMA DRIVE
Entity City, State, Zip:   LAKE FOREST CA 92630
Agent for Service of Process:   MYLES BINFORD
Agent Address:   2949 S COAST HWY
Agent City, State, Zip:   LAGUNA BEACH CA 92651


Here's the registered agent's twitter: http://twitter.com/MylesBinford

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The Tama address in Lake Forest is a foreclosed home (http://livelakeforest.com/http:/Livelakeforest.com/price-reduction-549900-22156-tama-drive-lake-forest-ca/) that belonged to the person that was involved in the Newport Narconon and Mission.

This address was also listed as a Church of Scientology (http://orangecounty.citysearch.com/profile/32713964/lake_forest_ca/church_of_scientology_mission.html) and I wonder if the homeowner's association knew.

And someone at WWP found the address was used for First Star Finance, a mortgage company as well (http://forums.whyweprotest.net/26-think-tank/just-thought-15474/ and http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Lake-Forest/first-star-financial-inc-5804642.aspx).

There is a Henry Diaz listed at First Star and he matches up to the one here:
http://www.purdetoxfieldrep.com/field-rep-promo.html

I think this is just seen as a business opportunity by most of those who get involved in the Narconon, detox etc. There is so much networking going on that it is easy to move from one thing to another.

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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2010, 21:25 »
Wow, thanks for the additional info, who me? and  __WB__

A mortgage company and a foreclosed home, all in one.  That's rich.   :-D^\^\
And also, a presumably closed mission; that's even better!

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    *  Name Myles Binford
    * Location Orange County California
    * Web http://purdetox.com
    * Bio Serial Entrepreneur, Founder of Pur Detox, Tennis Pro, Vagabond, Surfer, Dad and Scientologist

I don't have a twitter account, but if anyone here does, can you check and see if he's following or followed by DamasoD? http://twitter.com/DamasoD

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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2012, 11:49 »
SunCoast is a chain of legitimate clinics in my area. I'm kind of annoyed that there is likely to be name brand confusion.

It might be good to make the legitimate clinic aware of the non-legitimate one using their name.  I seem to remember this discussion coming up before - something about one of the organizations wanting to add an elderly care building to their complex...   

Oh, yes, here:
SP Times article: Suncoast Rehabilitation, Florida narconon
and here:
Ripoff Report:Suncoast Rehab Center

In case there's still any confusion about Suncoast: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10240.0.html
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2013, 10:23 »
A New Substance Abuse Service From CMI Abasto Goes Beyond Drug And Alcohol Rehabilitation Offering A New Treatment Modality Atypical of Ordinary Rehabilitation Centers

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CMI Abasto announces a new treatment modality that is no longer based off of the idea that addiction comes with a lifetime of recovery. The new substance abuse service uses an individualized one-on-one approach for each client.

CMI Abaston in Argentina is getting amazing results with a new treatment modality that uses a one-on-one approach substance abuse service. While they are a rehab they like to be considered a wellness center, where anyone can enjoy the benefits of a controlled atmosphere where applied wisdom is taught and practiced till it becomes a norm. No two individuals are alike, so upon arrival they put them through an intense 7-day-diagnosis where they’re seen by numerous professionals in the health and wellness field including doctors, nutritional professionals, and numerous other life-enhancing individuals to determine a correct plan of action.

CMI Abasto in Argentine helps their clients find themselves again by reviving their own true objectives using a set of one-on-one philosophical coaches that teach ancient wisdom to a drug addict in a rehab setting where they are free to pursue anything they feel that will enhance their life to get them the high they need from accomplishment and goal setting instead of drug use and manipulation. In fact, in the new substance abuse service, CMI encourages positive manipulation away from addiction; manipulating their way back to being happy without the drugs or alcohol, depression or whatever may be causing them to be unhappy.

“We are looking for a cure and I think CMI Abasto has found it,” states Beau Griffis owner of Informed Treatment Solutions. Griffis’ internet marketing and development firm is currently helping CMI take their program to the next level by advising them on marketing and business solutions.
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Narconon goes to Argentina?

Beau Griffis is promoting CMI Abasto; it's new and atypical. Apparently manipulation is involved. Their professional staff includes "life-enhancing individuals" and "philosophical coaches that teach ancient wisdom."

They link the Ross Poel Organization on their website, which is based in Michigan.

RPO Mailing Address:
363 Cummings NW
Grand Rapids, MI 49534

Telephone Number: 616.466.9125

Anyone familiar with these names?

Board of Directors


Ross Poel – President

Kathy Poel - Executive Director

    BS, Communication Arts & Science (Western Michigan University)

William Poel – Treasurer

    BS, Criminal Justice (Western Michigan University)

Jane Patterson

    BS, Education  (Michigan State University) JD, (Cooley Law School)
    Outstanding Volunteer Fundraiser of the Year Award 2012 (Association of Fundraising Professionals)

Nancy Despres

    RN, (Grand Valley State University), Nutritional Practice

Thomas Farrington

    BS, Mathematics (DePaul University), CIO Perrigo Company

Bernadette Elizabeth Smith

    (Mary Grove College, Rhema Bible College), President at Gerald R. Ford Woman’s Republican Club

more at http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/1/prweb10318598.htm

rosspoelorganizationdotcom

Ross mentions CMI Abasto's claims of 100% success rate in this video: http://vimeo.com/20075201
« Last Edit: January 27, 2013, 10:33 by mefree »
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2013, 18:02 »
CMI is not affiliated with Narconon or Scientology.  I spoke with people who work there and notified them of Beau and his connections.  They made the mistake of hiring him for some consulting, and they ended their agreement with him after he failed to deliver up to their expectations.

I think they're good people trying to do good things and have a full medical staff.  However, the promotion of a 100% success rate is unrealistic of course, if for no other reason than having a very small sample or number of completions, and I advised them of that.  The program is also extremely expensive and very long.

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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2013, 18:08 »
Are they connected with AFR or BDR?

Grand Rapids, Mich is prety close to Manistee.  You would think Per would try to cash in on their treatment methods if they are boasting 100% success. 
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2013, 18:41 »
The facility is located in Argentina. The supporting Foundation is in Michigan.

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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2013, 22:32 »
Are they connected with AFR or BDR?

Grand Rapids, Mich is prety close to Manistee.  You would think Per would try to cash in on their treatment methods if they are boasting 100% success.

I had to wonder. It's difficult to imagine that any legitimate treatment center would boast of a 100% success rate.

Lucas, thanks for the info you posted too.
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2013, 15:57 »
CMI is not affiliated with Narconon or Scientology.  I spoke with people who work there and notified them of Beau and his connections.  They made the mistake of hiring him for some consulting, and they ended their agreement with him after he failed to deliver up to their expectations.

I think they're good people trying to do good things and have a full medical staff.  However, the promotion of a 100% success rate is unrealistic of course, if for no other reason than having a very small sample or number of completions, and I advised them of that.  The program is also extremely expensive and very long.

Yes,  checked and they have nothing to do with NN. The reason Beau is latching on to other programs is to make money. His referral sites list different rehabs, like for advertising. He's not recommending them, per se.  Here is an example of a site, which I wrote the owner about:

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Leroy Lucero, Crossroads Turning Points, Inc

Dear Mr. Lucero,

I think this site is stealing potential customers from your business and misinforming people about your contact details.
Here is the link
http: // rehabfinder .info /listings/crossroads-turning-points/
( broken link intentional)

It's advertising your company name using the phone number used by a man named Beau Griffis, who refers to Narconon centers.
https://www.facebook.com/bgriffis

I believe all referrals from this site are being sent to Narconon. He advertises your company name but lists his cell phone and his referral website (Informed Treatment Solutions) instead of your company particulars. This is common with fake referral websites run by Narconon and it's 'reg's.

Perhaps you have some kind of marketing arrangement with him and you knew about this but if this is so, beware that he's been scamming with his referral sites for 6 months now. He's also a long time Ibogain dealer.  Just google "Beau Griffis" and you'll see the kind of trouble he's up to.

I hope this information is of help. I felt obligated to inform you.
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2013, 17:07 »
CMI is not affiliated with Narconon or Scientology.  I spoke with people who work there and notified them of Beau and his connections.  They made the mistake of hiring him for some consulting, and they ended their agreement with him after he failed to deliver up to their expectations.

I think they're good people trying to do good things and have a full medical staff.  However, the promotion of a 100% success rate is unrealistic of course, if for no other reason than having a very small sample or number of completions, and I advised them of that.  The program is also extremely expensive and very long.

Yes,  checked and they have nothing to do with NN. The reason Beau is latching on to other programs is to make money. His referral sites list different rehabs, like for advertising. He's not recommending them, per se.  Here is an example of a site, which I wrote the owner about:

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Leroy Lucero, Crossroads Turning Points, Inc

Dear Mr. Lucero,

I think this site is stealing potential customers from your business and misinforming people about your contact details.
Here is the link
http: // rehabfinder .info /listings/crossroads-turning-points/
( broken link intentional)

It's advertising your company name using the phone number used by a man named Beau Griffis, who refers to Narconon centers.
https://www.facebook.com/bgriffis

I believe all referrals from this site are being sent to Narconon. He advertises your company name but lists his cell phone and his referral website (Informed Treatment Solutions) instead of your company particulars. This is common with fake referral websites run by Narconon and it's 'reg's.

Perhaps you have some kind of marketing arrangement with him and you knew about this but if this is so, beware that he's been scamming with his referral sites for 6 months now. He's also a long time Ibogain dealer.  Just google "Beau Griffis" and you'll see the kind of trouble he's up to.

I hope this information is of help. I felt obligated to inform you.

You are a force to be reckoned with Mary.  Kudos to you.
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2013, 17:11 »
LOL! Thanks, ST BMF :)
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2013, 18:45 »
 :o Good work, Mary!
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2013, 19:17 »
The reason Beau is latching on to other programs is to make money.

Perhaps he sees the writing on the wall - Narconon is going down.

You would think Per would try to cash in on their treatment methods if they are boasting 100% success. 

There's a really good reason not to boast a 100% success rate.  All it takes is one failure to refute that figure.  With a 75%, 80%, etc. success rate, it's easier to say someone who fails is part of the 20% or 25%, and "no, we cannot share our data that proves the 75% or 80% who are successful because that would be a HIPAA violation." 
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2013, 19:19 »
LOL! Thanks, ST :)

(whispering) I think you mean BMF.
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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2013, 20:55 »
I am a volunteer advocate for victims of the Narconon scam. I am a former scientologist. I post anonymously. Mary McConnell is my long time nom de plume. Feel free to contact me for assistance in righting the wrongs.

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Re: Another Narconon affiliate
« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2013, 21:26 »
:o Good work, Mary!

Thanks, mefree :) ( hope I got that right, lol t's been a long day....)  ;)
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