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[Lorelei]

We mention Dateline Paying Tech upthread; here's how it works, in practice:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/philly-gets-shutoff-notice-62485/#post1181933

The Philly Org on Chestnut is apparently $1600 behind and getting their power shut off because they did not pay their bills in a timely manner.

There were several other TP threads referencing Dateline Paying Tech, but this appeared to be the most recent.

The point may be mostly moot, given that the SS Org's zoning exemption was denied, but local vendors and utilities might want to keep a close eye on any accounts, and make sure they get paid promptly. The economy is too rough to deal with people monkeying around with these Dateline Paying stalling tactics and thus not paying what they owe promptly.

LRH Tech at its finest!

I wonder if Woody Galloway's bills have been paid promptly? They probably make an exception for litigation-related expenses, given that they love to sue anyone who doesn't let them have their way.

[Stutroup]

I do believe Dateline paying is going to be something critical to someone at some point.  I can't stress it enough.

And now we have a good example of the tech in action!

[Lorelei]

You wonder why more people--Scientologists and non-Scienos--aren't asking themselves WHERE the money is going.

The Scienos nag other Scienos to buy: the same sets of books, repeatedly; more auditing, including paying way in advance for it; classes; CDs and audio tapes and DVDs; etc.

The Scienos nag other Scienos to donate: CONSTANTLY. If it isn't for the Ideal Org program, it is for the Library Shelf-stocking program, or to "confront and shatter suppression" (how's that working out for ya?); etc. Constant regging.

Where does it go?

The Ideal Orgs and old Orgs are pretty decrepit, many of them falling apart, covered in graffiti, lots full of weeds.
Libraries do not want the LRH books, so they toss them in the trash with all the other unsolicited garbage they get.
The Super Powers Building is still unfinished after almost 20 years (did I remember that right? TWENTY years of using that as an excuse to skewer Scienos for more money?)
We know they rarely pay their bills on time.
They do no charitable work in their communities, so they aren't buying soup and bread with it, or anything else that might help someone.
We know they don't pay their staff a living wage, or even minimum wage.

OK, they waste a LOT of paper stuffing those file cabinets full of "ethics folders" and KRs and all the millions of stupid, stress-inducing forms and documents that make things LESS efficient and not MORE efficient.
We know they hire P.I.s to stalk protesters and critics.
We know they bought expensive paneling and HDTVs for the SS Idle Org.
We know they have to pay a lot of lawyers all the time, because they are always suing and being sued.
The Freewinds doesn't sail around dumping raw sewage and giving its crew blue asbestos-related mesothelioma without fuel.
They have to suck up to celebrities, and planting and then ripping up acres of wildflowers isn't cheap.
Installing razor-wire fences with the spikes pointing inwards has to cost a little money, and the eagle's nest sniper hut has to be manned with personnel and weaponry. That's not cheap.
Feeding and housing all the RPFers is pretty cheap, since they stack them like cordwood and feed them leftovers. Still, space in the various RPFs and in SP Hall has to be getting pretty crowded by now.
Trucking their anti-psychiatry displays all around the country probably costs them a bit.
They have to buy a lot of cameras. Those aren't cheap. They probably need a lot of new ones, since every time a Scientologist harasses or attacks a critic or protester, they are mysteriously "on the fritz" and didn't get any usable video. How odd!
They have to print LOTS of glossy brochures and tests and flyers and posters and make bronze busts of Elron to hip hip hooray at, which are also not cheap.
They have to ship Scientologists all around the country to each Idle Org opening so it looks like there are more Scientologists than there actually are.
It costs money to by Photoshop, so you can Shoop your pictures to make Miss Cabbage taller, or fill seats in an empty auditorium with clone-tool crowd copies, or airbrush the water stains and cracks and dirt off the exteriors of your Orgs.
It costs money to fly Vulture Ministers to the latest disaster site so they can help themselves to medical supplies and "touch assist" and indoctrinate happily, dis the medical doctors who are there, use rations and supplies other groups have paid for and which are supposed to go to the victims, not the Scienos, and get in the way of people who actually know what they are doing and are qualified to help people.
It costs money to produce and promote giant turkeys like "Battlefield Earth."
I'm sure they have to spend a lot on Plasticine clay and special Hubspeak dictionaries, too.

But, most of all, Daddy Miss Cabbage wants a new pair of shoes (with lifts) and dreams of swimming in piles of hundred dollar bills and gold doubloons just like Scrooge McDuck, and YOUR enforced donation can make that happen! He doesn't have enough toys! Pay more, you are not enlightened yet!

Perhaps instead of buying HDTVs and fancy paneling for the SS Org, they should patch the roof or help their sister Orgs pay their electric bills! LOL. DOWNSTAT on STATURDAY.

[ethercat]

I don't know that the average member knows about dateline paying, because I believe it is contained in the Administrative Manuals (how to run an org) rather than in the Technical Manuals (how to practice scientology). 

This is not about dateline paying, but about one average staff member's view of the money and where it goes. 

When I was friends with my now X-Friend (as I call him), I asked him about the money - this was in the mid 90s, so what the members think now may be different. 

One thing I asked him was if scientology had all the answers to mankind's problems, why didn't they give it away?  That I thought if an organization really did have the solutions (though I didn't think the human race was in the dire situation he expressed), and they truly wanted to help mankind and "save the planet" as he was so fond of saying, why wouldn't they shout it from the rooftops?  He told me that people didn't appreciate things if they didn't have to pay for them.  This seemed like an overly materialistic view of the world to me, and I told him that some of my most precious possessions were things of little monetary value that someone I loved had given to me.  I didn't know, at the time, about Hubbard's "Doctrine of Exchange."

Another time, I asked him why the courses cost so much, and he told me that producing the tapes and printing the books was expensive, and that no one was getting rich, that no one at the top got the money, that the top executives lived very frugally.  (I don't recall asking if the money went to the top, so his jumping the gun on what he thought would be my next questions may have been more telling about his own doubts than I realized at the time.)  I remember telling him they needed to shop around for their printing and tape production, because the prices I had seen in stores for similar items was way below the prices for similar scientology items. 

This must have struck a chord with him (he had been in the printing industry briefly before he joined staff at the org), because sometime later, he came and asked me to scan a "ticket" he had for a free personality or introduction film (something like that, I forget which) so he could have it produced locally for less than Bridge Publications wanted to sell them to the org for.  (The local orgs have to pay for their own promo materials, and are actually in competition with each other.  Bridge Publications profits from this arrangement.)  I didn't feel good about helping scientology, but he was my friend, and I wanted to help my friend, so I scanned it and gave him the file on a floppy disk (mid-90s, remember?)  Son after that, I heard from a mutual friend that he was on some kind of "ethics action."  I don't know if the "ethics action" was because of the ticket scanning, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I would be interested to hear what a member would say today, so I may split this discussion out of the Sandy Springs Zoning thread and move it into another category so it will get more attention, but I'll see what the other participants think first. 

Split for more attention, or not?