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Stutroup

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Would you want this in YOUR community?
« on: August 26, 2009, 18:46 »
Here is some of what Scientology believes.  It  falls under fair use.  I will provide links where applicable, to places with more information.

Before I get into the meat of my point, you cannot forget about the death orders given by the founder of Scientology, recorded in its policies (which they sometimes call scripture):

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There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.
L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

What's below 2.0? Sympathy (positioned far below having no sympathy), Grief (Scientolgists believe it's wrong to grieve?) and more.  A list on a Scientology web site:
http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/FULL.HTM

And we can't forget about R2-45, a directive to shoot specified people with a .45 caliber firearm!
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R2-45: AN ENORMOUSLY EFFECTIVE PROCESS FOR EXTERIORIZATION BUT ITS USE IS FROWNED UPON BY THIS SOCIETY AT THIS TIME.
L. Ron Hubbard, The Creation of Human Ability
(all caps as per the original)

It is claimed that Hubbard was joking; however, the order to use this policy appeared on an enemy declaration against a group of people in 1967.
http://www.skeptictank.org/r2-45.htm

The disappearance of a certain quote (most typically for PR purposes) from Scientology 'scriptures' is explained here:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/Declaration/exhibg.html

The original quote:
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The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than win.

The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.

The same volume contains this snippet:
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The DEFENSE of anything is UNTENABLE. The only way to defend anything is to ATTACK, and if you ever forget that then you will lose every battle you are ever in engaged in..

That reminds me of what a certain lawyer may be eventually used for: stringing out the Sandy Springs residents and local government until they're worn down before suing over religious issues.

Of course, Galloway is following what his client wants, and that is to make the Sandy springs locals fall for the doublethink of Scientology, through lies.

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THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them.
L. Ron Hubbard, "Off the Time Track," lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418

Scientology is rife with accusations against non-Scientologists. 

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Now, get this as a technical fact, not a hopeful idea. Every time we have investigated the background of a critic of Scientology, we have found crimes for which that person or group could be imprisoned under existing law. We do not find critics of Scientology who do not have criminal pasts.
L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 5 November 1967, "Critics of Scientology"

So when you're asked, "What are your crimes?" over and over by a Scientologist 'handler,' you know what they're trying to find.

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This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.
L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 25 February 1966

If Scientology is so clean, why would they not welcome investigation?  Perhaps what they say is OK to do, isn't so OK after all.

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Somebody some day will say 'this is illegal.' By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.
L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, "LRH Relationship to Orgs"

So they believe they are above the law!

At this point in the zoning debate, I'd expect Scientology to attempt influencing the people involved by means other than presenting their case at the zoning meetings, in a professional manner.  This policy sort of outlines the behavior:

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If attacked on some vulnerable point by anyone or anything or any organization, always find or manufacture enough threat against them to cause them to sue for peace. Peace is bought with an exchange of advantage, so make the advantage and then settle. Don't ever defend. Always attack. Don't ever do nothing. Unexpected attacks in the rear of the enemy's front ranks work best.
L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, "Department of Governmental Affairs", 15 Aug 1960

Yes, they do view zoning opposition as an attack.  They believe, as a "religion," they should be able to do what they want regardless of its impact.  Look at Clearwater, Florida as an example.  Some buildings are still split between religious staff housing and hotel usage; some buildings are in a permanent parking debate.

I could easily go on, and on, and on, and on ........ with quotes.  In stead, I'll leave a few links to resources.  But first, here is some video evidence of the current goals of Scientology:

A summary containing a lot of information
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soGy9Ri3Tms

The full source video with the current leader, David Miscagive (a very violent man who calls beatings of Scientology's underpaid staff members normal):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86W_0aOaRgg

A very long list of quotes:
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/quotes-by-and-about-hubbard.htm

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Re: Would you want this in YOUR community?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009, 19:08 »
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Therefore we really do have the remedy before the assault weapon is produced. Did you ever read poor old George Orwell's uh.. 1984? Yes, yes, that's wonderful. That would be, could be, the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence.
  L. Ron Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course Tape 20

This is what Hubbard wants Scientology to turn Sandy Springs into:

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"How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?"

Winston thought. "By making him suffer," he said.

"Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating? It is the exact opposite of the stupid hedonistic Utopias that the old reformers imagined. A world of fear and treachery and torment, a world of trampling and being trampled upon, a world which will grow not less but *more* merciless as it refines itself. Progress in our world will be progress toward more pain. The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love and justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we will destroy - everything.

"Already we are breaking down the habits of thought which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut the links between child and parent and between man and woman. No one dares trust a wife or a child or a friend any longer. But in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen. The sex instinct will be eradicated. Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now. There will be no loyalty, except loyalty toward the Party. There will be no love, except the love of Big Brother. There will be no laughter, except the laugh of triumph over a defeated enemy. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we are omnipotent we shall have no more need for science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no employment of the process of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always - do not forget this, Winston - always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
George Orwell, "1984"
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Re: Would you want this in YOUR community?
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 20:11 »
^^^^Good information.

One of those videos reminded me of another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYBTlI1-fHg

 
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