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Message to Nation of Islam Members About Scientology
17 October 2010, 1:00 pm

This post is applicable to anyone who is looking into Dianetics or Scientology.

You are being asked to participate in Dianetics/Scientology services from the Church of Scientology.

That's fine, nothing wrong with that if that's your choice.

But you need to be very, very careful.  You are being asked to believe quite a number of things without proof, and there is no reason for you to accept this situation.  You should ask for, and should receive, valid proof before you give the Church of Scientology any of your money.

You may have read Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health.  You may have read or heard about L. Ron Hubbard's description of "Clear":

A clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything which has ever happened to him or anything he has ever studied. He does mental computations, such as those of chess, for example, which a normal would do in a half an hour, in ten or fifteen seconds. He does not think “vocally” but spontaneously. There are no demon circuits in his mind except those which it might amuse him to set up -- and break down again -- to care for various approaches to living. He is entirely self-determined. And his creative imagination is high. He can do a swift study of anything within his intellectual capacity, which is inherent, and the study would be the equivalent to him of a year or two of training when he was “normal.” His vigor, persistence and tenacity to life are very much higher than anyone has thought possible.

L. Ron Hubbard

Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health

And you might think that this definition of "Clear" is what the Church of Scientology is promising when they say they are "producing Clears".

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

I urge you to check it out for yourself.  Ask to talk to one of these Church of Scientology "Clears".  Find out what their "complete recall of everything which has ever happened to him or anything he has ever studied" is like in reality.  Can they tell you the name of their second grade teacher?  Can they quote, verbatim, from a book they read last year?

Can this "Clear" do "mental computations, such as those of chess, for example, which a normal would do in a half an hour, in ten or fifteen seconds"?

Check it out for yourself before you give the Church of Scientology any of your hard-earned money.

If you look, I am sure you will find what many ex-Scientologists already know, that not one Church of Scientology "Clear" has the abilities and powers that L. Ron Hubbard promised.  In fact, you will discover that Scientology "Clears" have no special abilities or powers at all.

Look for yourself.

If you participate in any Church of Scientology "auditing" you may experience, as many have, a temporary feeling of euphoria at the end of the session.  No one knows why this happens, but it is always and only temporary and does not indicate any permanent "gains".

Check it out for yourself.  Talk to "Clears" and "OTs".  Don't ask them about Scientology, because they will just give you the standard sales spiel.  Ask them what they do for a living.   Are they "industry leaders"?  Are they successful?  Are they still allowed to talk with their family?  Ask them difficult questions.  Press them to answer instead of evade.

Go to the Internet and search for "Scientology".  No legitimate organization would forbid such an investigation.  The Church of Scientology will tell you that "everything you read on the Internet is a lie" but they will never, ever provide any proof of that.  They want you to trust them on this, but they don't trust you to make up your own mind.  The Church of Scientology will tell you there is a Great Anti-Scientology Conspiracy but they will never provide any proof of that either.

In fact, if you want to really upset a Scientologist, ask for proof of anything they claim -- they won't have any proof at all, but they will get very upset when you ask.  If that doesn't ring any alarm bells for you, then nothing will.

Do what you want, believe what you want, but look for yourself and get actual proof before you give the Church of Scientology any of your money.

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Faces of the 'Nation': Louis Farrakhan
10 October 2012, 7:53 am
by Emiene Wright

...Farrakhan appears to be making a special effort to engage more people lately, and he's using a gentler approach than years back. The flier advertising this year's National Day of Atonement shows him with hands clasped, wearing a pale suit offset with a lavender bowtie and a part in his wavy, still-black hair. It's a more charming, less fiery image that might frequently run in The Final Call, the Nation's newspaper. And he hosted his first-ever Twitter town hall meeting a few weeks ago, with thousands of mostly young attendees, for almost two hours. Under the hashtag #AskFarrakhan, moderators selected mostly warm, fuzzy questions seeking Farrakhan's advice or predictions, with the exception of one subject: Scientology.

Since about 2010, Farrakhan's been promoting the readings of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology, and the use of dianetics, a philosophical system Hubbard invented aimed at ridding the mind of fears and past trauma. He's gone so far as to require Nation ministers to submit to auditing, the dianetic process of delving into practitioners' subconscious to release bad memories.

During the live-streamed meeting, a woman named Lorraine Graves tweeted, "It was strange that the Nation of Islam is using dianetics," before asking: "How has it benefitted your followers?" and "Do you think the Black community would be open to it?"

Farrakhan has previously discussed his attraction to Scientology, which has a history of recruiting high-profile followers including Tom Cruise, John Travolta and singer Beck. He summed up his position in his response to Graves: "You know, I found something that I felt would be helpful. A lot of Muslims that are in the mosque, male and female — we function well. But there are impediments because of things that happened in our lives when we were young," such as child abuse and other traumas that affect subconscious behavior. Farrakhan said he thinks dianetics is "a tool that I can use to help our people."....

more at http://clclt.com/charlotte/faces-of-the-nation-louis-farrakhan/Content?oid=2885587
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