Ill throw em up. They tie into upcoming events.
Quote from: 10oriocookies on March 20, 2013, 00:34Ill throw em up. They tie into upcoming events. I'll PM you tomorrow to discuss this.In the mean time, here is Kent McGregor's list, found by using the phone number he uses on him NPI number -- 918-423-2105, and other lists found from theer. 7 Domain(s) Use 918-423-2105 As Whois Phonedrug-rehab-texas.comdrugrehabsincolorado.comeffectivedrugrehabcenters.com.meth-drugrehab.commorphine-drug-rehab-centers.comrehabsthatwork.comthebestdrugrehabs.comhttp://www.webboar.com/whois-phone/918-423-2105/13 Domain(s) Use email@example.com As Whois Emaildrug-rehab-texas.comdrugrehabsincolorado.comeffectivedrugrehabcenters.commeth-drugrehab.commorphine-drug-rehab-centers.comopiate-drug-rehab-centers.comrehabsthatwork.comthebestdrugrehabs.comvicodin-drug-rehab.comdrugs-addiction.orgnational-drug-rehab-treatment-centers.orgdrug-rehab-that-works.usdrugrehabinoklahoma.orghttp://firstname.lastname@example.org Domain(s) Use McGregor, W. K. As Whois Name Contact drugrehabsincolorado.comeffectivedrugrehabcenters.commeth-drugrehab.comrehabsthatwork.comthebestdrugrehabs.comhttp://www.webboar.com/whois-name/McGregor,%20W.%20K.Example of information available for each site link:Whois information for effectivedrugrehabcenters.com:Registrar: MYDOMAIN, INC.Registration date: 2009-08-21Last updated: 2011-08-21Expiration date: 2012-08-21Domain status: okAdministrative, Technical Contacts:Email: email@example.com [13 domains use this email]Name: McGregor, W. K. [5 domains use this name]Phone: 918-423-2105 [7 domains use this phone]Address: Helpline Network P.O. Box 213 Canadian, OK 74425 USOwner Contacts:Name: Helpline Network [7 domains use this name]Address: P.O. Box 213 Canadian, OK 74425USEFFECTIVEDRUGREHABCENTERS.COM IP: 188.8.131.52The IP belongs to ISP DOTSTER.COMISP domain: PNAP.NEThttp://www.webboar.com/www/effectivedrugrehabcenters.com
I have been collecting information and pdf copies of these sites for years. I try to help victims who have been ripped off by them. One of the difficult parts of this task is getting people to recall where they first made contact with Narconon. Many do not keep a record of the website they found, or the specific key words they searched for. Once they contact the site either through the phone number or through the online 'contact us' page', they speak to someone who then transfers the call or gives them a name and number to contact. By the time they have been ripped off ( which could be days, weeks or months later) I am lucky if they are able to find the toll-free phone number they contacted. Unfortunately., most of these numbers are embedded on the sites so you can't find them through a search by Google. So finding the website is important but usually not fruitful. In the cases where I was able to get the site from the victim, or locate it based upon key worlds they searched that lead to it, complaints have been made, or lawsuits filed that contain the information supporting the fraudulent activity. This information includes the site whois information, the names of people involved in the line of sales and connecting them with Narconon and or Scientology whenever possible. Her are 2 examples of complaints I helped document the fake referral site fraud for:Meet the Locatelli's, who someone dedicated this website to http://www.california-rehab-referral.com/Locatelli vs Narconon Southern California ,Narconon Joshua Hills, et al http://www.scribd.com/doc/17118323/Locatelli-vs-Narconon-Southern-California-Narconon-Joshua-Hills-et-alHow fake referral sites factored into the settlement of this case:Narconon So Cal filed in a motion in the above case, requesting that the venue be changed to Los Angeles or Orange County instead of where the Locatelli's lived, in Nevada County, CA. This was their reasoning:Locatelli v. Narconon Southern California, Joshua Hills, defendent VenueMotionhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/25242891/Locatelli-v-Narconon-Southern-California-Joshua-Hills-defendent-VenueMotionLocatelli fired back,with a motion in opposition, using case precedents of law to justify their position. Plaintiff's Venue Motion opposition/ Memorandum of Points and Authorities/ Locatelli vs Narconon Southern California & Joshua Hills: http://www.scribd.com/doc/25243329/Plaintiff-s-Venue-Motion-opposition-Memorandum-of-Points-and-Authorities-Locatelli-vs-Narconon-Southern-California-Joshua-HillsThey also filed at the same time the below Affidavit which demonstrated how the fake referral site that lead to their being sold Narconon deceptively over the phone acted to also deceive by stating multiple locations, including their county and city and that by contacting the website's page specific to their location, that venue should stay where they filed the case.Plaintiff Affidavit in Opposition to Venue Motion/ Locatelli vs Narconon Southern California and Joshua Hills: http://www.scribd.com/doc/25243560/Plaintiff-Affidavit-in-Opposition-to-Venue-Motion-Locatelli-vs-Narconon-Southern-California-and-Joshua-HillsAfter they filed the Affidavit, before this case went any further, Narconon ran to settle, knowing that the issues of the fake sites and phone coordination with NN So Cal would be open to litigation. The Locatelli's, who needed the money to pay off their growing credit card debt and be able to pay for another program, decided to settle. I could not blame them. It was a long hellish process for them. Sarah Locatelli filed this on her own and they did not have the resources for an attorney for a long drawn out lawsuit. They just wanted their money back and got it.Now in the following complaint, the fraud was even more documented and lead to the complainant getting a refund. This complaint has been on the web since July 2009 and has been read by 8,765 people. Hopefully many of those who read it were prevented from being scammed like the author was.Complaint vs Narconon Nevada & Narconon Southern California 2009http://www.scribd.com/doc/17125312/Complaint-vs-Narconon-Nevada-Narconon-Southern-California-2009So I continued collecting site information as I came across it, but did not always have time to dig deeper into the whois info ( especially if it was proxied, as many began to be), taking snap shots or printing PDFs of what the site said, or the whois said, about the site and sometimes posting it when I had a chance. I also collecting it as well with the additional hopes of documenting the telecommunications and telephone fraud to the FTC . As well, ethercat, mefree and myself have been collecting and sharing information about such sites over the past several years, in the hopes of one day having a data base of them made so that people could know what what sites to avoid, fake or actual. These sites are usually found as we go along doing other tasks on the internet. Because it's such a big task to collect & gather them all, it's and because we are all swamped with other priorities, I just started this thread to make it easier to post them as we come across them, but these are by no means all the sites we have come across. The bottom line is that this Fake Referral is a business activity and appears to be an organized RICO activity and one can't just go to the government with a few complaints and no specific proof connecting the RICO activity. One has to connect all the dots and the way these are set up, it's very difficult to do on a multiple site basis but we figure eventually there wil be enough information to help make a case and get some real action.Keep in mind that the govt, the FTC, does not take these cases on an individual basis. They need lots of complaints about a specific activity or website, and only then do they sue the parties for fraud but not monies to benefit those ripped off. So I'm looking at the RICO. And looking at seeing all the info up at some point on the net but it is a big task. Registrations change owners, change availability of owner info by use of proxy's. One usually has to pay to get the info, a costly thing. And subpoena to get a proxied owner's name. That is not to say that I don't encourage people to file FTC complaints, because I do. And Better Business Bureau Complaints, and licensing agency complaints, and state consumer affairs complaints.... but these complaints have to be very specific or else they get tossed. I believe in the near future all this information will come handy if and when a class action lawsuit is filed by willing attorneys on behalf of students and those who paid for their program, each having the common element of having been defrauded by a fake referral website that leads them to one of a number of known Narconon sales reg's. Don't think I haven't raised this idea with attorneys over the years. It's just that it's a humongous task to get people to recall where they first went when they were then referred to Narconon or fake names similar to programs they asked about ( referred to "Joshua Hills" instead of "St Jude's")
Just saw this posted on a WWP and facebook:http://umbraxenu.wiki-site.com/index.php/Narconon_sites
TheRazzLine.net - Classifieds, Business Directory, Events, Articleswww.therazzline.net/classifieds/results.php?category_id=86...9May 7, 2012 – E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org. We are looking for a very reasonably priced 2 bedroom, 1.5 bath condo in a nice area of Clearwater or Dunedin ...TheRazzLine.net - Classifieds, Business Directory, Events, Articleswww.therazzline.net/classifieds/results.php?keyword=&screen=13May 9, 2012 – E-mail: email@example.com. I am a trained Purif I/C with Qual OK to deliver. Currently located in the Palm Springs area. Let me know if I can ...TheRazzLine.net - Classifieds, Business Directory, Events, Articles ...www.therazzline.net/classifieds/results.php?...May 17, 2012 – Name: Barbara. Date: 30 Apr 12. Phone: 818-434-8565. E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.org. I am a trained Purif I/C with Qual OK to deliver.
The fact that he even mentioned Narconon Fresh start right off hand is somewhat surprising, but then again, "George" told the girl receptionist that his family had money. It probably would have been a completely different conversation if he said otherwise. It's all about the GI (Gross Income)$$$. You're right about him only mentioning the Narconon Fresh Start facilities and leaving out Arrowhead in Oklahoma - or the other centers' locations. I could tell that was one of Larry Trahant's websites the second I looked at it. There are hundreds of them.
Narconon Fresh Start225 West Broadway, Suite 420Glendale, CA 91204Complaint Type: Sales IssuesProduct/Service: False website to dupe and deceive people - dishonest sales peopleModel Name/Number: http://www.interventionspecialists.com/Amount in Dispute: $0.00ComplaintPosted: 2/1/2013Summary: I called the 866 # on www.interventionspecialists.com I spoke with Ryan W. who promised advice and help. I was duped into a sales pitch for NarcoNon.Resolution Sought: First of all, I would like a sincere apology for NarcoNon's deceiving business practices. Second, I strongly advise Ryan W., Mike, and all representatives of NarcoNon to cease and desist attempts at communication with me, xxxxxxxxxxxxx. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. xxxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxxx. Do not call any of us. Do not email any of us. Do not send us anything in the mail. Delete all of our contact information from your files and do not attempt to contact any of us ever again.Detail: I found this website: www.interventionspecialists.com through a Google search in trying to find an interventionist to help with a family situation dealing with addiction. The website specifically states, "Fill out the form below and a counselor will get back with you to help you locate an interventionist and/or treatment program." They also have a toll free #, which I called (1-866-597-9931) I was transferred to Ryan Warczak who told me he was a "counselor." I described the situation and he promised to set up a conference call with me, my wife, brother-in-law, and father-in-law & mother-in-law to provide "guidance" on how to proceed with an intervention, including why we should hire a professional interventionist. I spoke with Ryan the next morning (1/29/13) to arrange the conference call, he said he was busy but that he would have another counselor handle the call. The other counselor, Mike, began the conference call with me and my in-laws by asking very personal information for about 45 min, and then began a sales pitch for NarcoNon Fresh Start. It was easy to discern over the phone that Mike was reading from a script. When we stated that we did not want a sales pitch for a treatment center, but rather the "guidance and advice" that we had been promised and a list of potential professional interventionists to contact, Mike got defensive and then said he would follow-up with a list of contacts. He did not provide those contacts. They continue to call and badger us daily.