Author Topic: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al  (Read 173197 times)

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 RESPONSE         24-AUG-2012    AADIN O PLTFS RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION ...
                                                            TO KEEP CERTAIN DOCS FILED WITH THE COURT UNDERSEAL

   
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF MARY PATRICE RIESER                                                             
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MARY RIESER                                                         
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF NICHOLAS PARSONS
                                                        
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - OF VIDEO DEPOSITION OF TRACEY EVELYN REYNOLDS                                       
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF DON DELGADO
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF ALLISON RIEPE
   
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - RECVED. COPY OF VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MAR O' DONNELL    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - OF A KENISON ROY III MD    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF MARIA DELGADO    

 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF SOVEREIGN PLACE LLC, DEPOSTION DESIGNEE ELIZABETH E ... BACKUS
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - DEPOSITION OF JAMIE LEA THOMPSON    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF JETTE MCGRGOR    

 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF JAMES JERRY MCLAUGHLIN    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - DEPOSITION OF CLARK ROEBERT NIXDORF CARR    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - RECVED. COPU OF DEPOSITION OF GERALD T GOWITT MD    

 ORDER FILED     23-AUG-2012     DEFTS NARCONON OF GEORGIA AND NARCONON INTERNATIONAL IS ORDERED TO PRODUCE ...
                                                           DOCUMENTS WITHIN 10 DAYS FROM THE ENTRY OF THIS ORDER (SEE ORDER) TYD    
 

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This should provide some interesting, yet lengthy reading.....

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These ought to keep you happy occupied for a while!   ;)

After the "Plaintiffs' Motion to Unseal Documents", and the non-party "Petition by Ann Lowe and Matthew Hurley To Unseal Documents Of Record And Open Depositions", Narconon of Georgia filed a "Motion To Keep Certain Documents Filed With The Court Under Seal".  This is the Plaintiffs response to Narconon of Georgia's Motion.  I can say for an absolute fact that the petitioners are two happy people now, but are awaiting the unsealing of the documents that remain "Under Seal".   ;)
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-24-PlaintiffsResponseInOppositionToNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToKeepCertainDocumentsFiledWithTheCourtUnderSeal.pdf

Mary C. Desmond is Patrick's mother:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfMaryCDesmond.pdf

Patrick C. Desmond is Patrick's father:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfPatrickCDesmond.pdf

Lisa Robbins, M.D. was Narconon of Georgia's Medical Director.  There was apparently some confusion as to the duties of the Medical Director.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-05-DepositionOfLisaRobbinsMD.pdf

Lisa Mooty was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-18-DepositionOfLisaMooty.pdf

Mary Rieser is the Executive Director of Narconon of Georgia.  This is her first deposition, which resulted in Sanctions against Narconon, whereby they had to make her available for a second deposition taken at their expense. 
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-23-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Elizabeth Backus served as a representative of Sovereign Place, the apartments where Patrick and other Narconon of Georgia clients were housed.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-28-DepositionOfElizabethBackus.pdf

This is the second deposition for Mary Rieser, paid for by Narconon of Georgia and/or their attorneys:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-14-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Gerald T. Gowitt, MD was the Medical Examiner:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-28-DepositionOfDrGeraldTGowittMD.pdf

Bradley Taylor was a client of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there, sent there by the Tennessee Drug Court:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-02-DepositionOfBradleyTaylor.pdf

Bradley Taylor's father, who paid for the Narconon of Georgia program:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-02-DepositionOfRandyTaylor.pdf

Mark O'Donnell was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-20-DepositionOfMarkODonnell.pdf

Maria Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfMariaDelgado.pdf

Don Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfDonDelgado.pdf

Tracey Stepler was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-18-DepositionOfTraceyStepler.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-09-DepositionOfDrFrancisWillardRushing.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-20-DepositionOfDrAKenisonRoyIIIMD.pdf

Jamie Thompson was a client of Narconon of Georgia prior to Patrick's arrival:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-21-DepositionOfJamieThompson.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-05-DepositionOfStephenAlanKent.pdf

Allison Riepe was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there.  She later ran a housing program at the request of Mary Rieser, after Patrick's death:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-27-DepositionOfAllisonRiepe.pdf

Nina Edidin was a lawyer at the Georgia Department of Human Resources:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-17-DepositionOfNinaEdidin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-06-DepositionOfJamesJerryMcLaughlin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-DepositionOfDrLouisAdolphCasalMD.pdf

Employee of Narconon International, Kent McGregor's wife:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DepositionOfJetteMcGregor.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfYarkoManzanares.pdf

President of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-11-DepositionOfClarkCarr.pdf

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Should be fixed now.   :P
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These ought to keep you happy occupied for a while!   ;)

After the "Plaintiffs' Motion to Unseal Documents", and the non-party "Petition by Ann Lowe and Matthew Hurley To Unseal Documents Of Record And Open Depositions", Narconon of Georgia filed a "Motion To Keep Certain Documents Filed With The Court Under Seal".  This is the Plaintiffs response to Narconon of Georgia's Motion.  I can say for an absolute fact that the petitioners are two happy people now, but are awaiting the unsealing of the documents that remain "Under Seal".   ;)
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-24-PlaintiffsResponseInOppositionToNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToKeepCertainDocumentsFiledWithTheCourtUnderSeal.pdf

Mary C. Desmond is Patrick's mother:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfMaryCDesmond.pdf

Patrick C. Desmond is Patrick's father:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfPatrickCDesmond.pdf

Lisa Robbins, M.D. was Narconon of Georgia's Medical Director.  There was apparently some confusion as to the duties of the Medical Director.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-05-DepositionOfLisaRobbinsMD.pdf

Lisa Mooty was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-18-DepositionOfLisaMooty.pdf

Mary Rieser is the Executive Director of Narconon of Georgia.  This is her first deposition, which resulted in Sanctions against Narconon, whereby they had to make her available for a second deposition taken at their expense. 
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-23-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Elizabeth Backus served as a representative of Sovereign Place, the apartments where Patrick and other Narconon of Georgia clients were housed.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-28-DepositionOfElizabethBackus.pdf

This is the second deposition for Mary Rieser, paid for by Narconon of Georgia and/or their attorneys:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-14-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Gerald T. Gowitt, MD was the Medical Examiner:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-28-DepositionOfDrGeraldTGowittMD.pdf

Bradley Taylor was a client of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there, sent there by the Tennessee Drug Court:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-02-DepositionOfBradleyTaylor.pdf

Bradley Taylor's father, who paid for the Narconon of Georgia program:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-02-DepositionOfRandyTaylor.pdf

Mark O'Donnell was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-20-DepositionOfMarkODonnell.pdf

Maria Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfMariaDelgado.pdf

Don Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfDonDelgado.pdf

Tracey Stepler was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-18-DepositionOfTraceyStepler.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/2011-12-09-DepositionOfDrFrancisWillardRushing.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-20-DepositionOfDrAKenisonRoyIIIMD.pdf

Jamie Thompson was a client of Narconon of Georgia prior to Patrick's arrival:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-21-DepositionOfJamieThompson.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-05-DepositionOfStephenAlanKent.pdf

Allison Riepe was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there.  She later ran a housing program at the request of Mary Rieser, after Patrick's death:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-27-DepositionOfAllisonRiepe.pdf

Nina Edidin was a lawyer at the Georgia Department of Human Resources:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-17-DepositionOfNinaEdidin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-06-DepositionOfJamesJerryMcLaughlin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-DepositionOfDrLouisAdolphCasalMD.pdf

Employee of Narconon International, Kent McGregor's wife:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DepositionOfJetteMcGregor.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfYarkoManzanares.pdf

President of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-11-DepositionOfClarkCarr.pdf

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In addition to messing up links in the excitement, I also forgot to say thanks to the anonymous (small a) donation.

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OK, here's what I posted at ESMB
" OMG! Must Read Depositions From Desmond lawsuit against Narconon etc "
and OCMB : " OMG! Must Read Depos From Desmond/Narconon lawsuit "

Thank goodness the State of Georgia believes we have a right to have access to court documents. Though Narconon of Georgia tried to make forum members of Tipping Point Forum and OCMB out to look like propagandists and anonymous terrorists, the real reason is because they do not want you to read what is happening in court. ( ref:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25528.html#msg25528)

So, here are some must read court depositions that were attached as proof of Narconon's scam of lies, deception and fraud as they tried to avoid responsibility for the death of Patrick Desmond.

Just released by the court from the Patrick Desmond case against Narconon of Georgia, Narconon Int, Delgado Development ( Maria and Don Delgado) etc.

But first, check out the plaintiff's response in opposition to Narconon of Georgia's motion to keep records ( including these depos) sealed from the public eye.

It contains the laundry list of crimes committed by Narconon of Georgia, Narconon Int and the Delgado development fake housing they set up. This response attached as exhibits a ton of depositions which are posted here.
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25711.html#msg25711

The funniest depos to read are

Maria Delgado and Don Delgado's ( amazing these 2 could ever hold a job), and Narconon Int's expert witness, Rev. James Jerry McLaughlin ( who probably won't be a witnesss after this depo, lol)

Of course, Mary Rieser, the ED had to redo hers because her attorney was sanctioned for interjecting during the first and trying to get Mary to shut up when, at a depo, you can't do that. So there are 2 depo's by Mary Rieser - See how Scientologists lie.

The most important ones so far that I have read are, in terms of documenting he fraud and lies, and Narconon's negligence in Patrick's death, from the following people:

Allison Riepe ( a whistleblower! ). Best insider report on what was going on at NNGA. ( Thank you Allison!!)
Brad Taylor - a grad of the program who Patrick was last with before he left the illegal housing;
Lisa Moody of a Fl Drug Court program who Mary Rieser duped into believing ( with false documents ) that NN Georgia was a residentail program when it wasn't;
Nina Edidin, former Georgia exec and attorney who represented GA licensing agency in sanctioning Narconon of Georgia back in 2007 for the highest offense on the books, which Narconon appealed. Ms.Edidin rep'd the licensing Div at that appeal, as well and through a settlement agreement. From day one these people at Narconon have been lying about their licensing, and getting caught, then bulling their way out and doing it again. This document is going to shake up the state of Georgia for sure.
Randy Taylor describes how NN GA sucked him into putting his son Brad in the program and the problems that occurred after Patrick's death.

Best Expert witness depo for plaintiff, IMHO: our beloved Dr. Stephen Kent. Best documentation on why Narconon is Scientology.

Much more.. and most will help in other Narconon cases.
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25711.html#msg25711
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Thanks! You are way ahead of me in the reading department. ||||9000||||
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Thanks! You are way ahead of me in the reading department. ||||9000||||

lol! Speed reading comes in handy sometimes :)
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I was just getting started.

I'm currently shaking my head over Lisa Robbins depo. There is just sooooo much she doesn't know or didn't bother to find out!  _/?% :O^:O#red#
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I was just getting started.

I'm currently shaking my head over Lisa Robbins depo. There is just sooooo much she doesn't know or didn't bother to find out!  _/?% :O^:O#red#

Yeah, I know. Very scarey!
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A Huge Congrats to Ann and Matthew (and the plaintiffs, of course). Wow. Lots of reading for those long winter nights.

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Jamie Thompson was a client of Narconon of Georgia prior to Patrick's arrival:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-21-DepositionOfJamieThompson.pdf



 Jamie Thompson was with Patrick W Desmond the night he passed away. Here is the 911 call made from the side of interstate 285 on that tragic night. The women heard in the background is Jamie Thompson.

 http://www.hark.com/clips/fzyrglkmwq-911-call-to-save-patrick-w-desmond-narconon-client

 Having read her deposition it just tears me up inside to see a young women fighting an addiction while under the care of Narconon of Georgia. Then to hear of the ease in which drugs are/were available while @ Narconon of Georgia.

 Further disturbing revelations are the family connections between Jamie Thompson and Martin Cohen, owner/operator of Pur-o-Cleanse, the defunct yet still in operation "Sauna" arm of Narconon of Georgia.

 Side note of interest within the depo was the mention of the Glynn County Georgia drug courts and Superior Court Judge Amanda F. Williams. Many here in the state of Georgia know of this particular judge.

http://www.gpb.org/news/2011/11/10/glynn-judge-faces-ethics-charges

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/deal-picks-lawmaker-to-1401736.html

 Though Jamie Thompson and Judge Williams did not according to this depo have any interactions, It is worthy to note how systems in place to aid and protect the vulnerable can be corrupted by those we hold in high esteem. I have much more to say on this topic as my current interactions with another State agency (DCH) points to a system in need of a serious overhaul.

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Holy crap. I just died and went to dox-loving heaven. Yes I did.

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Clark Carr's deposition was missing pages.  It's complete now.

I also had the link wrong for Dr. Francis Willard Rushing's deposition.  It's fixed now too.

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:-O<  Village Voice  :-D--U

Quote
Court Testimony: Narconon Intentionally Deceived a Florida Drug Court About Its Licensing
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/08/scientology_narconon_mary_rieser.php
By Tony Ortega Wed., Aug. 29 2012 at 7:00 AM

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... The 2008 death of Narconon patient and employee Patrick Desmond produced a lawsuit by his family, and documents in that case provide a startling look at the deceptions that appear to be a part of the Narconon business model.

We now have court testimony from the lawsuit which shows that Narconon deceived a Florida drug court in order to keep quiet that it didn't have licensing to house patients.

L-O-:

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Choice comments from the different forums about these documents

Facebook comment of interest, lol

Andy Sewell
Whew! Lots of reading but, srsly, I'm lovin' me some Rebecca Franklin, ESQ,. Its like watching the tide come in and dissolve L Ron Hubbard's little sand castle.
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AnonLover
Holy crap. I just died and went to dox-loving heaven. Yes I did.

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ESMB
 
Posted by RogerB View Post
WOWZER!

This could/should reverberate throughout the USA.

The fraudulent, lying shit the Cof$ affiliated ops pull is so insane as to be unbelievable by sane people.

I have the feeling that the outrage this shit should have in the US media could well begin the spotlight of exposure on the cult like what is bringing the cult to heal in Oz.

These silly SOB's in the cult don't learn, can't think, and consider themselves outside of the norms and standards of decent societal behavior . . . it is bring them down.

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Whyweprotest comment on the list of depos :

DeathHamster

I love how James McLaughlin gets quizzed for over 70 pages on what the heck his real qualifications are. (A masters degree in theology and Narconon training.)

BigBeard

I'm confused. James McLaughlin is billed as an "Expert Witness" for NN GA, but his depositioon reads like ammo for the Desmonds. So whose side is he on anyways??????

anonymousamvines

 cos i forgot to say It's a wog psychiatrist :p who will never work as an expert witness again:p and they had to hire one :p and a crappy one who would say what they wanted:p and he is killing them:p and the final bit of irony/karma will be if he loses his wog practise:p

It won't fetch patrick back, but he hasn't died in vain
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plumeria

Allison Riepe's testimony, page 11. The attorney hands her a document and says it's exhibit 3. She corrects him and says it's exhibit 4, and he concurs. I'd say Allison has an eye for details. I'd believe her over Mary Reisen anyday


magoo44

 plumeria I called Narconon Arrowhead as their sign says "Arrowhead Medical Detox". and asked if there was  Doctor there? The receptionist said: "I don't know". She put me through to some angry lady who said: "What do YOU Want?" I repeated: "I would like to know if you have a Doctor there or not?" She said: "That's confidential information". I said, "Really?" She said: "I'll have to take your name and Phone # and have our Medical team call you". I gave her BOTH. No one ever called. Medical Detox ....PULEEEASE. Learn the facts, ALL the facts. Tory/Magoo



scobeepesch

Mary Rieser used to be D/Exexcutive Director International for the Church of Scientology International.  That is one of the highest Sea Org positions possible.  She was a Sea Org member at the international Scientology headquarters in Hemet, Ca.

Narconon isn"t Scientology!?!?   Ya, and there is no such thing as disconnection.  We love families......  Lies, lies, lies......
Mat Pesch


AmyScobee

 scobeepesch If this Mary Reiser is the same Mary I know, she was the D/ED Int for Internal (responsible for manning up the Senior Executive Strata that manages all of Scientology). I  worked with her while she held that position to get executives arrived to the Hemet base.


Capt._Howdy

More something about Mary from Clambake. She sounds like another scientology "mother of year" nominee.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=32335


Capt._Howdy

 jensting

" In a 1992 Canadian court case, the lawyer defending the Church of Scientology said that "the prosecution witnesses (Scientologists testifying against the Church!) could not be believed, because they had all taken special training in how to lie."


GerardPlourde [..]
Another question, how much of the CO$'s income is dependent on this stream of revenue?


CoolHand

 GerardPlourde Good question.  The licensing fees wind up being fairly minimal to the actual church itself.  Ten percent from each center's adjusted gross income weekly goes to Narconon management offices, then ten percent of that goes to ABLE for licensing fees.  There are also the book fees that go to ABLE for each new client into Narconon.  In addition, the property Arrowhead operates from is not owned by them, but instead a separate holding company controlled by the church, for which Arrowhead has paid 30K per month for rent for the past 11 years (according to their 990 filings as well). 

 

In addition,  you also have any former clients who wind up becoming Scientologists that go on to pay for services directly from them (a low percentage, but some still do, of course).  The former clients who become staff have a higher conversion rate to Scientology since they begin to use it at work daily, and then they are open to all of the services and donations that the church hounds its parishioners for.

 

For example, the International Association of Scientologists (IAS) often uses Narconon as a means to tout their social betterment activities to go after church members for large donations, since the IAS is who put up the money for the purchase and renovation of the Arrowhead facility.  They spent about 3.5 million on it, but have gotten tens of millions in donations by "showcasing" it at events.

 

So, I guess the answer is that overall it can be a decent source of income for the church directly, just not as much as first assumed when people see that the program costs 30K per client.


CoolHand

 heathergraceful Aside from the program tenets contained in the books that are also available in different books at the church, the staff use the "management technology" contained in the Organization Executive Course of Hubbard Communication Office Policy Letters (HCO PLs) administratively, and the case supervisors, course supervisors and sauna personnel read from the Technical Volumes directly.  There are some "secularized" versions of these for Narconon staff, but the case supervisors especially use those to oversee each client's progress through the program. These are called Hubbard Communication Office Bulletins (HCOBs) and are the same used in the church

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Yeah but this one (above) had me busted up in stitches all day:

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Holy crap. I just died and went to dox-loving heaven. Yes I did.

Thanks AnonLover   ;D