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Sandy Springs Press about the Ideal Org
« on: May 15, 2009, 00:10 »
Scientologists' move meets opposition
 
 Welcome to the Sandy Springs Reporter
 
 May 01, 2009
 
 Sandy Springs residents roared over the Church of Scientology's rezoning request at a community-developer resolution meeting April 23.
  It was the initial public discussion for the application, which is scheduled to go before the City Council on June 16.
 
  Now based in Dunwoody, the church wants to move to 5395 Roswell Road at the corner of Glenridge Drive.
 
 Church members purchased the property around 2005. The congregation plans to renovate the 46,000-square-foot structure and must seek rezoning because current conditions limit the site to office and professional use.
 
 "We really aren't asking for a significant change … just the right to have a religious institution on the property," said Woody Galloway of Dillard & Galloway, the attorney for the church.
 
 He said the church will spend more than $3 million to convert the interior of the building. "The existing perimeter will not change."
 
 But for an hour and a half, neighbors raised concerns, complaints and questions to the church's representative.
 
 In addition, a group of four women, one of them a city resident, came to City Hall to protest Scientology and quietly captured the conversation on camera. They post videos online and protest monthly at the church's current home in Dunwoody.
 
 Traffic congestion and parking shortages topped the list of concerns for speakers from such affected neighborhoods as Round Hill Condominiums and Winfield Glenn.
 
 "It will just destroy the quality of life there at Round Hill," said Richard Herren, an association board member. He said he already hears a constant shriek of skidding wheels from his home.
 
 That's probably because that portion of Roswell Road has seven traffic lights in an area that should have only two, said Kent Garner of the Winfield Glen Homeowners Association.
 
 "We have a huge problem with the traffic right now on Roswell Road," Round Hill resident Patty Burns said.
 
 She said city transportation planner Mark Moore told her the church would bring 40 more cars to the road each morning and evening.
 
 "If you add anything else, it's just going to get worse," said Round Hill resident Gloria Sartogo, who had two car accidents in two years near the community entrance. "There's just no other way out" of the development.
 
 Galloway said the Church of Scientology is not like a traditional Christian church where large crowds attend one service.
 
 "It's spread out," he said, noting members often attend one-on-one counseling or classes similar to Sunday school.
 
 The church has 600 active members, but gatherings usually would be small, he said. The maximum capacity of the sanctuary is 200.
 
 "On an extra-good week, they have 100," Galloway said. "They do intend to grow."
 
 As far as parking, he said the 83 spaces would be sufficient; the city requires 46 based on a standard calculation. For special events, Galloway said, the church would seek offsite parking, shuttle patrons or provide a police presence for traffic control.
 
 Trisha Thompson, the zoning committee chairwoman with the Sandy Springs Council of Neighborhoods, proposed several conditions for the rezoning: no overnight stays at the facility; no Narcotics Anonymous meetings; and action by the church to address sidewalks on Roswell Road and Glenridge Drive.
 
 Thompson also wants to ensure adequate parking and limit people at gatherings. "At this time, the applicant has been unwilling to add a capacity cap," she said.
 
 Community Development Director Nancy Leathers reminded residents that while she will address their concerns, she also must protect the rights of the church. "Religious institutions have broad rights under the U.S. Constitution."
 
 The church's application will go before the Planning Commission on May 21. Staff will draft conditions after researching many of the resident concerns, Leathers said, and she anticipates a clause regarding large events.
 
 Comments regarding the application can be sent to city planner Linda Abaray at linda.abaray@sandyspringsga.org.       
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Re: Sandy Springs Press about the Ideal Org
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 00:12 »
http://sandysprings.lps2.com/Articles-c-2009-05-01-155896.113118_Crime_proposed_church_concernHigh_Point_Civic_Association.html

Crime, proposed church concern High Point Civic Associationby John F. Schaffner

write the authorMay 01, 2009
The High Point Civic Association heard a report from Sandy Springs police Lt. Steve Rose on crime in the southeast area of the city and a discussion from Senior Officer Larry Jacobs of the benefits of the city's Neighborhood Watch program in helping to fight crime.
According to association President Alan Powell, the annual meeting April 21 was "quiet" and mainly centered on the "state of affairs in the community," which encompasses the Sandy Springs neighborhoods south of I-285 and east of Roswell Road.

Powell said the association is trying to encourage all the neighborhoods to get involved in Neighborhood Watch. But because it is a civic association and not a homeowners association, he said, those living in the various neighborhoods cannot be forced to participate in such programs.

Powell said the High Point Civic Association "is certainly one of the largest organized associations in Sandy Springs."

He said meeting attendees discussed plans by the Church of Scientology to renovate the interior of a building members have owned for a few years to provide a new home for the church, now in Dunwoody. The building, Powell said, is as former real estate office building at the corner of Glenridge and Roswell roads, adjacent to the post office.

Powell said his organization has no issues with the church but does have questions about the maintenance and uses of the building. He said the building has not been well cared for during the three years church members have owned it.

As for the planned use of the building for meetings of 200 or more people, Powell said his association members question where people attending those meetings are going to park and how traffic at that intersection will be handled.

He said some in his association have studied reports of experiences with Scientologists in other states to determine whether there have been any problems with neighborhoods where they have conducted business.

But Powell was quick to say that his association does not know enough about the church's plans to formulate an official position.[/]
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 12:35 »
Thanks for posting this. Kudos for getting the on line videos mentioned! Might be worth a minute for you to post a link to them for the readers.

 
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 18:58 »
Good suggestion, Mary! 

The first of 4 meetings, the Community Zoning Info Meeting, held on March 24, 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v3EAT3ynqw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsAdOt6IVmg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjdaoxtqs-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dm6lVZHx5I

The second meeting, the Community/Developer Resolution Meeting, held on April 23, 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXyxz1QBLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McAdgVvc7_c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aobKgWiKQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZiEHXLndWs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUYcBaCbLfU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkD69o9EqcY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsxDnqd2NAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NAzjiDrxQc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJr5t5kY3m8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo29CevwNYg

The 3rd meeting, Planning Commission, held on May 21, 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpLLusVRBlQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItOVsS88GPM&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsIOujA7zBA&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtqhXVnsrfI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GyYEgQg53M&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQSP2l3imKU&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp2y7LEF7L8&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm3V_pCHVhs&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVv9mT1cEBg&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fykVhumLfP8&feature=channel_page

The Mayor and City Council Meeting, held on June 16, 2009.  A 60-day deferral was granted; the next meeting is to be held in August.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vE1fXK8hvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jYu4MCKp10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfmnuo_3mOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBijWHVuv4M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHqS8877yTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp5YjXha7eE
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2009, 23:14 »
Thanks for putting this together.   :)
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 10:46 »
Question and comment

a.  does anyone have the list of neighborhood associations that are opposing them.  I might be able to help them.
b.  I saw somewhere where folks were looking for the website for the atlanta ideal org.    www.atlantaidealorg.com    This one was launched in 2006, replacing the old one.  Unfortunately the new one is under construction and much of the data, including the donor board, is not on there yet.  I'll look around to see if I can find any old info on it.  Last I saw, they had collected upwards of $8 mill or so and were showing a deficit of $1mill - $2mill. 

I will say again, this church is in no financial position to move into a building this big and expensive.  They can't pay their current monthly bills.  I know, they can't pay me my repayment.
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 21:36 »
Question and comment

a.  does anyone have the list of neighborhood associations that are opposing them.  I might be able to help them.

b.  I saw somewhere where folks were looking for the website for the atlanta ideal org.    www.atlantaidealorg.com    This one was launched in 2006, replacing the old one.  Unfortunately the new one is under construction and much of the data, including the donor board, is not on there yet.  I'll look around to see if I can find any old info on it.  Last I saw, they had collected upwards of $8 mill or so and were showing a deficit of $1mill - $2mill. 

I will say again, this church is in no financial position to move into a building this big and expensive.  They can't pay their current monthly bills.  I know, they can't pay me my repayment.

I don't have a list, but I may be able to get you in touch with someone who does.  I'm sending you a PM.

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