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Narconon and Other Scientology Front Groups => Narconon in Michigan => Topic started by: Mary_McConnell on February 11, 2017, 16:07

Title: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 11, 2017, 16:07
A while ago, I received a message from Tony Ortega, asking me about a court injunction against myself, and several other Reaching For The Tipping Point Members that he'd been sent a link to. This court order injunction requested removal of multiple links of threads on this forum and appeared to order this forum and Narconon Reviews that lead readers to content from this forum.

Since then, we've been aware of numerous fake ( fraudulent ) court orders, created by dubious agents of Per Wickstrom and his drug rehabilitation programs. These agents are often hired unscrupulous 'reputation management' companies.

These court orders have been blindly accepted by Google and then used to remove valid content from Google search results. These were then then submitted to Lumen Database, where you can see them for yourself.  In a search result on Lumen for Narconon, the below submission and fake court order, one of a number of removal orders accepted by Google where the name Narconon is included in what is apparently derogatory content someone(s) wanted removed from search content and the internet.  Some were filed fraudulently, some not, but this thread is only about  the use of fake court orders and removal of content from the Google search engine.

If you look at the entries listed, you will see that besides our forum and Narconon Reviews, content from sites like Why We Protest, Ex Scientologist Message Board ( ESMB) and some blogs come up in these search results at Lumen.

Search keyword Narconon
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Narconon&sort_by=

Search key words Per Wickstrom

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Per+Wickstrom&term-require-all=true&sort_by=

Search keywords Serenity Point
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Serenity+Point&sort_by=

But the first faker that I want to point out concerns what Tony Ortega alerted me to. Of course, none of the parties, including myself, knew of this supposed lawsuit, and were never properly served. But how could we? Despite it looking real further research finds that its a fraudulent document, using the name of a real judge in a nonexistent court case! You can see the document here:

https://www.scribd.com/document/339059240/Fake-Tranquilty-Detox-Order-Granting-Judgment-and-Entry-of-Permanent-Injunction (https://www.scribd.com/document/339059240/Fake-Tranquilty-Detox-Order-Granting-Judgment-and-Entry-of-Permanent-Injunction)

The essential content of it states:

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THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS HAMILTON COUNTY, OHIO
 
COPY OF ENTRY FILED AUG 24 2016
JUDGE JODY LUEBBERS

CASE: A1407255
TRANQUIL REHAB SWISS SA
Boulevard Geoges Favon 40, RDC CH — 1203 Geneve Switzerland
Plaintiff,
VS.
"DEATHHAMSTER", "KELLY", "SOURCE", "MARY_MCCONNELL", on the websites www.narcononreviews.net and www.reachingforthetippingpoint.com 
Defendants.

ORDERS GRANTING JUDGEMENT AND ENTRY OF PERMANENT INJUNCTION
 
This matter having come before the Court upon the Complaint filed by plaintiff Tranquil Rehab Swiss SA ("Tranquil"), and the accompanying Motion, the Court hereby finds that Tranquil's Motion be GRANTED, and this Court enters Judgement and injunctive relief in favor of Tranquil, against defendants "DEATHHAMSTER", "KELLY", "SOURCE", "MARY_MCCONNELL" on the websites www.reachingforthetippingpoint.com and www.narcononreviews.net (collectively, "Defendants"), as outlined below. Tranquil and Defendants are hereby collectively referred to as the "Parties."

JUDGMENT IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED that the Defendants have posted false and disparaging statements regarding Tranquil on the internet, including on www.reachingforthetippingpoint.com and www.narcononreviews.net. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED that the statements posted about Tranquil — located at: ......

Of course, none of the defendants was ever served such notice

You can see this supposed Google complaint over at the Lumen Database. Note the link to the pdf of the "injunction" at the bottom of the page   link https://lumendatabase.org/notices/12987034#

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Court Order Complaint to Google
sender Francis C. Morrisson
[Private] , , , US Sent on September 08, 2016

recipient
Google Inc
[Private] Mountain View, CA, 94043, US Received on September 08, 2016

submitter
Google Inc

Quote
Re: Unknown

Sent via: Unknown

Notice Type:     Court Order

Explanation of Court Order

Permanent Injunction (section b) -   b)   The Parties are mandated to personally remove all defamatory, disparaging, libelous, and false statements about Tranquil that Defendants posted on the aforesaid
websites and also to request that these websites remove the defamatory, disparaging, libelous, and false statements published by Defendants about Tranquil, including those found at the following URLs_               [list of URLs]  c) The Parties are mandated to request that Internet search engines such as Google, Yahoo! And Bing remove from their search indices the URLs specified above;  d) The Parties are mandated, as it is
foreseeable that the above-referenced URLs and statements contained thereon will be referenced on additional webpages in the future including, but not limited to, index, directory, and search results pages, to take all actions available under the law to remove all such web pages from the Internet, including requesting removal from the ...

The links listed are ( minus the http:// )
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=10723.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12065.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12065.80
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12511.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12543.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12652.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12660.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12751.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12760.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12773.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12839.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12839.20
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12847.10;wap2
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12874.140
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12902.0
    forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12922.0
    narcononreviews.net/lawsuits/richmond-vs-a-forever-recovery-its-medical-director-et-al
    narcononreviews.net/location/a-forever-recovery
    narcononreviews.net/location/best-drug-rehab
    narcononreviews.net/management/mgmt-narconon-northern-california-halcyon-horizons/
    narcononreviews.net/management/per-wickstrom
    narcononreviews.net/narconon/death-at-scientology-michigan-drug-rehab-sparks-widespread-investigation
    narcononreviews.net/narconon/foia-request-michiganattorney-general-releases-complaints

As you can see, these include a links to threads about Per Wickstrom's Best Choice Rehabilitation, Best Drug Rehabilitation, A Forever Recovery, Serenity Point Recovery, his marketing company, Life Solutions in Battle Creek, and Halcyon Horizons, formerly known as Narconon Northern California, now doing business as Elevate Recovery.

The titles of these threads with their links will be posted in a followup comment, so as to pour salt in Per's wound and attempt to counteract Wickstrom's attempts to hide these from Google and other search engine results. It should be noted, however, that the Best Drug Rehabilitation thread on this forum continues to be found and read, having reached over 600,000 hits since started. ( So much for trying to hide the truth about Best Drug Rehabilitation, Per :P ) 
http:// forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php/topic,10723.0.html

I'm sure the other threads and articles are faring well, too, despite these scam shenanigans intended to hide them from readers.

OK, back to the court document:  I found that the order was fraudulent, but had been blindly accepted by Google, used to remove that bunch of links related to Per Wickstrom and his drug rehab programs: Tranquility Detox, Best Drug Rehabilitation, A forever Recovery and Serenity Point Recovery rehab, his marketiung company Life Solutions and other Narconon programs written about here and at Narconon Reviews.

Additionally, there is no such case filed in Hamilton County Ohio Court of Common Pleas, but the judge - Hon. Jody Luebbers is a real judge there. I wonder what she would say & do if she knew her name was fraudulently signed and sealed on this fake court document?  We shall see. She is not the only judge on a fake court order in a fake case that I have found so far.

There are other fake court orders and DMCAs by Wickstrom or his agents which are deserving of attention, some with links to this site and our sister site, Narconon Reviews http://narcononreviews.net (http://narcononreviews.net) All of these were filed at Lumen Database last year, ending around late September IIRC. Interestingly, around that time, a number of articles came out regarding fake DMCAs and Court orders. You can read some of these here

The Washington Post

More on lawsuits against seemingly fake defendants, aimed at hiding online criticism
By Eugene Volokh  November 22, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/22/more-on-lawsuits-against-seemingly-fake-defendants-aimed-at-hiding-online-criticism/?utm_term=.264446bd9b98 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/11/22/more-on-lawsuits-against-seemingly-fake-defendants-aimed-at-hiding-online-criticism/?utm_term=.264446bd9b98)

Fake Orders Dozens of suspicious court cases, with missing defendants, aim at getting web pages taken down or deindexed -By Eugene Volokh and Paul Alan Levy   Oct 10, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/10/10/dozens-of-suspicious-court-cases-with-missing-defendants-aim-at-getting-web-pages-taken-down-or-deindexed/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.b17bb6f253c6  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/10/10/dozens-of-suspicious-court-cases-with-missing-defendants-aim-at-getting-web-pages-taken-down-or-deindexed/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.b17bb6f253c6)

Lawsuit against lawyers who allegedly filed improper lawsuits aimed at getting Internet criticism deindexed by Google By Eugene Volokh October 31, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/10/31/lawsuit-against-lawyers-who-allegedly-filed-improper-lawsuits-aimed-at-getting-internet-criticism-deindexed-by-google/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.79223ddbe2fc (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/10/31/lawsuit-against-lawyers-who-allegedly-filed-improper-lawsuits-aimed-at-getting-internet-criticism-deindexed-by-google/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.79223ddbe2fc)

People trying to get Google to deindex professional news site articles
By Eugene Volokh December 14, 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/14/people-trying-to-get-google-to-deindex-professional-news-site-articles/?utm_term=.99e209538837 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/12/14/people-trying-to-get-google-to-deindex-professional-news-site-articles/?utm_term=.99e209538837)

Other sites reporting:

Lawyers file fake lawsuits to de-index online negative reviews, suit says
"The scam is not all that complicated," using court orders to get search results removed.
by David Kravets - Oct 25, 2016  ARS Technica
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/10/lawyers-file-fake-lawsuits-to-de-index-online-negative-reviews-suit-says/  (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/10/lawyers-file-fake-lawsuits-to-de-index-online-negative-reviews-suit-says/)

And site called Web Activism has been reporting such cases of fake documents, and was helpful in locating many of the above articles on fraudulent reputation management preventing freedom of speech on the internet

Wilson Luna and Med1Online doctored a court order, forged judge’s signature, impersonated a lawyer and used it to remove online criticism
https://webactivism.com/wilson-luna-and-med1online-doctored-a-court-order-forged-judges-signature-impersonated-a-lawyer-and-used-it-to-remove-online-criticism/ (https://webactivism.com/wilson-luna-and-med1online-doctored-a-court-order-forged-judges-signature-impersonated-a-lawyer-and-used-it-to-remove-online-criticism/)

The following article obviously needs to be updated but apparently hasn't been.  Its clear that Google is not holding up to its claims to review all court orders for validity before allowing them to be used to remove content from its search engine

Google Receiving Fake Court Orders on Content Removal
Don’t like what you see when you Google yourself? Sending a fake court order won’t help
by Anna Heim — Nov 13, 2012 in Google
https://thenextweb.com/google/2012/11/13/dont-like-what-you-see-when-you-google-yourself-sending-a-fake-court-order-wont-help/# (https://thenextweb.com/google/2012/11/13/dont-like-what-you-see-when-you-google-yourself-sending-a-fake-court-order-wont-help/#)

Here is the claim, in their FAQs 
https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/government/faq/#non_compliance_reasons (https://www.google.com/transparencyreport/removals/government/faq/#non_compliance_reasons)[/list]
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 11, 2017, 18:20

Comments here on the forum, and articles at Narconon Reviews, seem to be upsetting Per Wickstrom, causing him to resort to illegal measures to have their links removed from Google and other search engines ( per the fake court order injunction posted at Lumen database and here
https://www.scribd.com/document/339059240/Fake-Tranquilty-Detox-Order-Granting-Judgment-and-Entry-of-Permanent-Injunction (https://www.scribd.com/document/339059240/Fake-Tranquilty-Detox-Order-Granting-Judgment-and-Entry-of-Permanent-Injunction)

Here are the threads and articles that are referred to in the injunction. To visit them, remove the space in the url

REACHING FOR THE TIPPING POINT FORUM

Best Drug Rehabilitation
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=10723.0

Per Wickstrom
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12065.0

Re: Per Wickstrom
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12065.80

Best Choice Rehabilitation
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12511.0

AFR and TIA Corp appeal Pennfield Twp Zoning Board of Appeals decision
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12543.0

Best Drug Rehab wins the Ripoff Report Birthday Game!
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12652.0
   
Insurance fraud at Best Drug Rehab and A Forever Recovery?
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12660.0
   
Per Wickstrom denies pushing Scientology on clients...but does he?
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12751.0

Per Wickstrom's Best Drug Rehabilitation Fails Annual Inspection
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12760.0

Per Wickstrom's Best Drug Marne Expansion Legal Battle Continues
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12773.0
   
Confusion about Best Drug Rehab Corporate Entities
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12839.0
   
Re: Confusion about Best Drug Rehab Corporate Entities
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12839.20
   
Narconon Northern California changes name to Halcyon Horizons (was Re: Lawsuits against Narconon and.... Elevate's web addresses
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12847.10;wap2
 
Re: USA Police Departments for Narconon FOIA Requests?  
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12874.140
   
Behavioral Rehabilitation Services, Per Wickstrom strikes again
http://  forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12902.0

Life Solutions in Battle Creek     
http://   forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.n et/index.php?topic=12922.0

   
NARCONON REVIEWS   http://narcononreviews.net

Narconon Reviews Lawsuits » 
Clifton Ray Richmond, Colleen Richmond
v.
A Forever Recovery, A Forever Recovery Inc., Anthony Janas MD, Stephen Robinson MD, Seth Egelston MD, Joel Goldberg MD, William H. Blakeslee PA, Historic Family Physicians, Battle Creek Health System

http://narcononreviews.net/lawsuits/richmond-vs-a-forever-recovery-its-medical-director-et-al
 
Narconon Reviews Archives for A Forever Recovery
http://narcononreviews.net/location/a-forever-recovery
   
Narconon Reviews Archives for Best Drug Rehabilitation
http://narcononreviews.net/location/best-drug-rehab
   
Narconon Reviews Archives for Narconon Northern California / Halcyon Horizons / Elevate
http://narcononreviews.net/management/mgmt-narconon-northern-california-halcyon-horizons/
   
Narconon Reviews Archives for Per Wickstrom
http://narcononreviews.net/management/per-wickstrom
   
DEATH AT SCIENTOLOGY MICHIGAN DRUG REHAB SPARKS WIDESPREAD INVESTIGATION
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/death-at-scientology-michigan-drug-rehab-sparks-widespread-investigation
   
Records Request Fulfilled: Michigan Attorney General releases complaints
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/foia-request-michigan-attorney-general-releases-complaints

Though our situation is unrelated to the lawsuit referred to in this article, its clear that money is being made to remove negative reviews from the internet. The attorney writing this article, Paul Alan Levy, is renowned for helping protect a citizen's right to internet free speech.

Thursday, March 31, 2016
A Sneaky Way of Falsely Enhancing Reputation Through the Suppression of Negative Reviews
by Paul Alan Levy, Attorney (@PaulAlanLevy )
http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2016/03/a-sneaky-way-of-falsely-enhancing-reputation-through-the-suppression-of-negative-reviews-.html
 
Paul Alan Levy
Attorney, Public Citizen Litigation Group
http://www.citizen.org/Page.aspx?pid=337



Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: BigBeard on February 11, 2017, 20:42
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Additionally, there is no such case filed in Hamilton County Ohio Court of Common Pleas, but the judge - Hon. Jody Luebbers is a real judge there. I wonder what she would say & do if she knew her name was fraudulently signed and sealed on this fake court document? We shall see. She is not the only judge on a fake court order in a fake case that I have found so far.

Has the Hon. Jody Luebbers been contacted about this? Aside from violating Ohio forged document laws, those documents were used illegally across state lines. Which opens a major sh*t storm of Federal charges against those responsible.
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Miss Fortune on February 11, 2017, 20:47
Here's another development that's popped up: Ripoff Report's new "Verified TRUSTED Business" program.

The example is in response to a complaint posted on October 29, 2015 by David Love:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/serenity-point-recovery-verified-trusted-business-ripoff-report-verified-businesses-you-can-trust-serenity-rehab-is-an-inpatient-residential-drug-and-alcohol-addiction-dependence-treatment-center-detoxification-facility-rehabilitation-program-and-recovery-organization-serenity-rehab-offers-private-confidential-addiction-treatment-to-individuals-who-suffer-with-substance-abuse-with-different-drugs-or-alcohol/grand-rapids-michigan-49503/serenity-point-recovery-inc-grand-rapids-michigan-1264535 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/serenity-point-recovery-verified-trusted-business-ripoff-report-verified-businesses-you-can-trust-serenity-rehab-is-an-inpatient-residential-drug-and-alcohol-addiction-dependence-treatment-center-detoxification-facility-rehabilitation-program-and-recovery-organization-serenity-rehab-offers-private-confidential-addiction-treatment-to-individuals-who-suffer-with-substance-abuse-with-different-drugs-or-alcohol/grand-rapids-michigan-49503/serenity-point-recovery-inc-grand-rapids-michigan-1264535)

Here's an excerpt:

"EDitor's UPDATE: Positive rating and recognition has been given to Serenity Point Recovery for its full commitment to quality customer service.

Ripoff Report's discussions with Serenity Rehab have uncovered an ongoing dedication by the company to total client satisfaction. This means that clients can expect that the company will work towards finding a mutually satisfactory resolution to any concerns. Serenity Rehab listens carefully to client concerns and sees them as an opportunity to learn from past mistakes and become more efficient as a company in the services offered and the support for those services."

In addition to the David Love post, one other about Serenity Point have be modified:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/serenity-point-recovery-verified-recommended-business-ripoff-report-verified-businesses-you-can-trust-serenity-rehab-is-an-inpatient-residential-drug-and-alcohol-addiction-dependence-treatment-center-detoxification-facility-rehabilitation-program-and-recovery-organization-serenity-rehab-offers-private-confidential-addiction-treatment-to-individuals-who-suffer-with-substance-abuse-with-different-drugs-or-alcohol/marne-michigan-49435/serenity-point-recovery-per-wickstrom-owner-marne-michigan-1275078 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/serenity-point-recovery-verified-recommended-business-ripoff-report-verified-businesses-you-can-trust-serenity-rehab-is-an-inpatient-residential-drug-and-alcohol-addiction-dependence-treatment-center-detoxification-facility-rehabilitation-program-and-recovery-organization-serenity-rehab-offers-private-confidential-addiction-treatment-to-individuals-who-suffer-with-substance-abuse-with-different-drugs-or-alcohol/marne-michigan-49435/serenity-point-recovery-per-wickstrom-owner-marne-michigan-1275078)

And finally,  one real gem from Mr. Ripoff himself, Ed Magedson.

Wonder how much he's raking in from this smokescreen?


Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Miss Fortune on February 11, 2017, 21:11
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Additionally, there is no such case filed in Hamilton County Ohio Court of Common Pleas, but the judge - Hon. Jody Luebbers is a real judge there. I wonder what she would say & do if she knew her name was fraudulently signed and sealed on this fake court document? We shall see. She is not the only judge on a fake court order in a fake case that I have found so far.

Has the Hon. Jody Luebbers been contacted about this? Aside from violating Ohio forged document laws, those documents were used illegally across state lines. Which opens a major sh*t storm of Federal charges against those responsible.

Just found another Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas injunction with the same case number: A1407255. However, it's attributed to a different judge: J. Patrick Foley III.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/wild-strawberry-films-wayne-schotten/san-francisco-california-94102/wild-strawberry-films-wayne-schotten-do-not-trust-him-san-francisco-california-972381 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/wild-strawberry-films-wayne-schotten/san-francisco-california-94102/wild-strawberry-films-wayne-schotten-do-not-trust-him-san-francisco-california-972381)

Here's the Lumen database link with the "Supporting PDF":
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/13062138 (https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/13062138)

Might have to add another name to the email!
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 12, 2017, 09:05
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Additionally, there is no such case filed in Hamilton County Ohio Court of Common Pleas, but the judge - Hon. Jody Luebbers is a real judge there. I wonder what she would say & do if she knew her name was fraudulently signed and sealed on this fake court document? We shall see. She is not the only judge on a fake court order in a fake case that I have found so far.

Has the Hon. Jody Luebbers been contacted about this? Aside from violating Ohio forged document laws, those documents were used illegally across state lines. Which opens a major sh*t storm of Federal charges against those responsible.

Yes, it's illegal. Yes, I'm looking into the best way to have her made aware of it. Myhope is that she will insist Google remove it and any others found with her name on them.

Here's another development that's popped up: Ripoff Report's new "Verified TRUSTED Business" program.

The example is in response to a complaint posted on October 29, 2015 by David Love:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/serenity-point-recovery-verified-trusted-business-ripoff-report-verified-businesses-you-can-trust-serenity-rehab-is-an-inpatient-residential-drug-and-alcohol-addiction-dependence-treatment-center-detoxification-facility-rehabilitation-program-and-recovery-organization-serenity-rehab-offers-private-confidential-addiction-treatment-to-individuals-who-suffer-with-substance-abuse-with-different-drugs-or-alcohol/grand-rapids-michigan-49503/serenity-point-recovery-inc-grand-rapids-michigan-1264535 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/serenity-point-recovery-verified-trusted-business-ripoff-report-verified-businesses-you-can-trust-serenity-rehab-is-an-inpatient-residential-drug-and-alcohol-addiction-dependence-treatment-center-detoxification-facility-rehabilitation-program-and-recovery-organization-serenity-rehab-offers-private-confidential-addiction-treatment-to-individuals-who-suffer-with-substance-abuse-with-different-drugs-or-alcohol/grand-rapids-michigan-49503/serenity-point-recovery-inc-grand-rapids-michigan-1264535)

Here's an excerpt:

"EDitor's UPDATE: Positive rating and recognition has been given to Serenity Point Recovery for its full commitment to quality customer service.

Ripoff Report's discussions with Serenity Rehab have uncovered an ongoing dedication by the company to total client satisfaction. This means that clients can expect that the company will work towards finding a mutually satisfactory resolution to any concerns. Serenity Rehab listens carefully to client concerns and sees them as an opportunity to learn from past mistakes and become more efficient as a company in the services offered and the support for those services."

In addition to the David Love post, one other about Serenity Point have be modified:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/serenity-point-recovery-verified-recommended-business-ripoff-report-verified-businesses-you-can-trust-serenity-rehab-is-an-inpatient-residential-drug-and-alcohol-addiction-dependence-treatment-center-detoxification-facility-rehabilitation-program-and-recovery-organization-serenity-rehab-offers-private-confidential-addiction-treatment-to-individuals-who-suffer-with-substance-abuse-with-different-drugs-or-alcohol/marne-michigan-49435/serenity-point-recovery-per-wickstrom-owner-marne-michigan-1275078 (http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/serenity-point-recovery-verified-recommended-business-ripoff-report-verified-businesses-you-can-trust-serenity-rehab-is-an-inpatient-residential-drug-and-alcohol-addiction-dependence-treatment-center-detoxification-facility-rehabilitation-program-and-recovery-organization-serenity-rehab-offers-private-confidential-addiction-treatment-to-individuals-who-suffer-with-substance-abuse-with-different-drugs-or-alcohol/marne-michigan-49435/serenity-point-recovery-per-wickstrom-owner-marne-michigan-1275078)

And finally,  one real gem from Mr. Ripoff himself, Ed Magedson.

Wonder how much he's raking in from this smokescreen?

RipOff report also accepted a fake court order on that complaint

 ORDER GRANTING CONSENT MOTION FOR INJUNCTION AND FINAL JUDGMENT
Quote
IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS OF PHILADELPHIA
FIRST JUDICIAL DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
CIVIL ACTION
SPR, INC,
Plaintiff,                                                               No. 160603108
                                                                        E-file No. 1606063959
·vs.
JOHN DOE,
Defendants.

ORDER GRANTING CONSENT MOTION FOR INJUNCTION AND FINAL JUDGMENT
The,parties having filed a Consent Motion for Injunction and Final
Judgment, and therefore, good cause appearing,
IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND AND DECREED as follows:

1. The PARTIES have agreed that Defendant John Doe
("Defendant") posted false and defamatory statements about Plaintiff SPR,
Inc ("Plaintiff") on the followingwebpage(s):

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12928496#

What is interesting is that the document is saying that ""John Doe" and SPR, Inc agreed to this order.

More interesting is the fact that the pdf properties show that the order document was created on July 11, 2016 and modified on August 27, 2016 ( a day after the date on the order ). So it was made in July, before
the order was supposedly made and signed by whoever it is that signed it.

The whole thing looks so fake.  Lumen states that the complaint is under review... but who knows how long this has been up? https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/12928496# ( see supporting document pdf  lower down the page)

There are more fakes.. re: ripoff report and A Forever Recovery

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Forever+recovery&term-require-all=true&sort_by=

I wonder if members of WWP know how many urls are being blocked by Per Wickstrom?

https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Per+wickstrom&sort_by=
https://www.lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Narconon&sort_by=
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on February 13, 2017, 00:49
Got a ping back at webactivism.com and came here to check. Here is an update on these fraudulent acts -

There are 3 fake court orders submitted in 2016. They're fake because no such attorney or plaintiff existed and there was never a lawsuit. It's just a forged piece of paper submitted to Google.

In November itself, as part of our campaign, we contacted the relevant parties (including Google and the courts) and reinstated all links de-indexed by Google. These (fake) court orders have been rejected and do not matter anymore.

As per our investigation, fake court orders and DMCA reports were common practice among rogue reputation firms especially the ones based in Europe and Asia, often in collusion with a 'complaint' site. In most of these cases, secondary complaints are removed (by illegal means) so that a site like Ripoffreport can demand a lot of money to fix the last remaining 'negative content'. In some cases, the illegal removals are attempted to provide reputation services to the client.

We're investigated and debunked hundreds of such cases since past few months and continue to do so with the help of eminent lawyers and experts like Paul Alan Levy and Eugene Volokh. Here is an example of how serious the situation was a few months ago - we investigated Torrence Boone, the VP of Google itself to be involved in a fake DMCA case - https://webactivism.com/googles-vp-torrence-boone-behind-fake-dmca-notice-sent-to-google/  (https://webactivism.com/googles-vp-torrence-boone-behind-fake-dmca-notice-sent-to-google/)

We did try to get in touch with @ethercat last year when we were investigating these cases. We just couldn't find a way..

So in conclusion, the fake court orders and DMCAs have been processed and rejected after our appeal. No URL has been removed. If there is any issue left unattended or if you have anything to share, please let us know at support@webactivism.com

Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 13, 2017, 12:32
Got a ping back at webactivism.com and came here to check. Here is an update on these fraudulent acts -

There are 3 fake court orders submitted in 2016. They're fake because no such attorney or plaintiff existed and there was never a lawsuit. It's just a forged piece of paper submitted to Google.

In November itself, as part of our campaign, we contacted the relevant parties (including Google and the courts) and reinstated all links de-indexed by Google. These (fake) court orders have been rejected and do not matter anymore.

As per our investigation, fake court orders and DMCA reports were common practice among rogue reputation firms especially the ones based in Europe and Asia, often in collusion with a 'complaint' site. In most of these cases, secondary complaints are removed (by illegal means) so that a site like Ripoffreport can demand a lot of money to fix the last remaining 'negative content'. In some cases, the illegal removals are attempted to provide reputation services to the client.

We're investigated and debunked hundreds of such cases since past few months and continue to do so with the help of eminent lawyers and experts like Paul Alan Levy and Eugene Volokh. Here is an example of how serious the situation was a few months ago - we investigated Torrence Boone, the VP of Google itself to be involved in a fake DMCA case - https://webactivism.com/googles-vp-torrence-boone-behind-fake-dmca-notice-sent-to-google/  (https://webactivism.com/googles-vp-torrence-boone-behind-fake-dmca-notice-sent-to-google/)

We did try to get in touch with @ethercat last year when we were investigating these cases. We just couldn't find a way..

So in conclusion, the fake court orders and DMCAs have been processed and rejected after our appeal. No URL has been removed. If there is any issue left unattended or if you have anything to share, please let us know at support@webactivism.com

Welcome, webactivism! Thanks for posting thisupdate.  Are the urls you mention only related to DMCAs and fake court orders your site investigated, or are they related to other, including the ones we posted here?

I was very happy to come across your site, which lead me to the articles by Paul Alan Levy and Eugene Volokh, both at the Washington Post and Citizen's blog. Did they ever write anything further regarding what you all accomplished?

We did notice that the acceptance of these complaints by Lumen ended around Oct 1, 2016, and presumed one or more reputation management companies was busted. But how would we know if the urls we listed about are re-indexed.  Any further info is much appreciated.

Congratulations to you all for the effort you put into righting this grave wrong.

Mary
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: DeathHamster on February 13, 2017, 17:38
A while ago, I received a message from Tony Ortega
There's a fake complaint from Tony Ortega in the Lumen DB.

Per needs a good ass-wupping.
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on February 13, 2017, 19:15
Let me explain. The URLs were approved for 1-2 days until we filed counter notices (in case of DMCA) and approached Google to ignore the fraudulent court orders. None of the URLs were removed, and here's how you can check -

If you type and search for any URL on Google, you'd see them removed and one of the two below messages at the bottom of the search results -

(http://i.imgur.com/xg1Adki.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/DAmwM2y.png)

As of now, not a single URL from this website has gone missing.

There are new and innovative (illegal) methods utilized by these rogue reputation firms. In nearly most of the time, the client is no aware of these methods and are promised unrealistic results to coerce them. Nevertheless, we've set a precedent with our investigations and set up our monitoring bots which scan through over 600 DMCAs (direct submissions) daily.

In total, there were 3 reputation firms (and a couple of lawfirms) which are facing consequences. A few lawsuits, federal investigations and ofcourse, their clients are pissed.

BTW, that fake DMCA from Tony isn't from Tony. It's from one of those rogue reputation firms who actually believed that Tony and Scott were behind webactivism.com. That was their way of targeting him . Tony took it in good spirits :)
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 13, 2017, 22:32
A while ago, I received a message from Tony Ortega

There's a fake complaint from Tony Ortega in the Lumen DB.

Per needs a good ass-wupping.

I never saw a fake complaint from Tony Ortega there. I mentioned that he alerted me about the one on us, that's all. Unless you know of another withhim listed as a complanant

------

BTW, that fake DMCA from Tony isn't from Tony. It's from one of those rogue reputation firms who actually believed that Tony and Scott were behind webactivism.com. That was their way of targeting him . Tony took it in good spirits :)

If you are referring to what deathhamster wrote, above, it may be a misunderstanding based on what I wrote, regarding Tony Ortega. Someone alerted him about seeing the court order at Lumen and he contacted me. Are you referring to a different Tony?
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on February 13, 2017, 22:36
Sorry, I should have posted, 'allegedly' by Tony Ortega. Ofcourse it was a case of impersonation and Tony didn't file any DMCA. A rogue reputation firm (or a lawfirm) who thought Tony Ortega and Scott were behind Webactivism.com faked this DMCA in order to drag him into this mess.
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 13, 2017, 22:41
Let me explain. The URLs were approved for 1-2 days until we filed counter notices (in case of DMCA) and approached Google to ignore the fraudulent court orders. None of the URLs were removed, and here's how you can check -

If you type and search for any URL on Google, you'd see them removed and one of the two below messages at the bottom of the search results -

(http://i.imgur.com/xg1Adki.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/DAmwM2y.png)

As of now, not a single URL from this website has gone missing.

There are new and innovative (illegal) methods utilized by these rogue reputation firms. In nearly most of the time, the client is no aware of these methods and are promised unrealistic results to coerce them. Nevertheless, we've set a precedent with our investigations and set up our monitoring bots which scan through over 600 DMCAs (direct submissions) daily.

In total, there were 3 reputation firms (and a couple of lawfirms) which are facing consequences. A few lawsuits, federal investigations and ofcourse, their clients are pissed.

Thanks so much for explaining.  I will do as you suggested.

You guys/gals are doing terrific work!  I also love that your site allows people to anonymously present bad experiences and what has been found on who is behind the attempts to remove the free speech We love anons here, as you may have guessed :)

Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on February 13, 2017, 22:45
Thank you :)

We do host over a dozen anti-scan websites (among ~200 other sites) and provide support to other activists as well.

Plz do let us know if/when you come across any such fake DMCA/Court Order scam. We'll make sure the perpetrators are taken to task.
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 13, 2017, 22:49
Sorry, I should have posted, 'allegedly' by Tony Ortega. Ofcourse it was a case of impersonation and Tony didn't file any DMCA. A rogue reputation firm (or a lawfirm) who thought Tony Ortega and Scott were behind Webactivism.com faked this DMCA in order to drag him into this mess.

Oh, I had no idea. He never mentioned that to me. Only that he was surprised that Per Wickstrom got a court order to stop me and the others and remove content from Google search results... he thought it was real at the time. Of course I explained it wasn't after I read it. :) This was some time ago. I only wrote about this now, just to piss off Per Wickstrom and get the the thread titles named and pushed  up in search results. He hates his name being posted here, LOL

I wonder if Tony ever knew he was being impersonated like that? We found it so inappropriate that they used the name of a late friend of mine, a deceased well known critic as a submitter on one.
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/is-narconon-impersonating-larry-brennan-to-remove-links-from-google/

Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 13, 2017, 22:50
Thank you :)

We do host over a dozen anti-scan websites (among ~200 other sites) and provide support to other activists as well.

Plz do let us know if/when you come across any such fake DMCA/Court Order scam. We'll make sure the perpetrators are taken to task.

Thanks, I will ! Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on February 13, 2017, 22:56
Oh, I had no idea. He never mentioned that to me. Only that he was surprised that Per Wickstrom got a court order to stop me and the others and remove content from Google search results... he thought it was real at the time. Of course I explained it wasn't after I read it. :)

Yes, I assume he knew. We discussed this issue with Scott Pilutik at that time and decided not to waste any time on this, as it was most probably a hissy fit from a bunch of kids running a rogue reputation firm that we might have exposed.
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 13, 2017, 22:58
Thank you so much, webactivism! I checked a couple of threads out and they are not de-indexed. What a relief
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 13, 2017, 23:01
Oh, I had no idea. He never mentioned that to me. Only that he was surprised that Per Wickstrom got a court order to stop me and the others and remove content from Google search results... he thought it was real at the time. Of course I explained it wasn't after I read it. :)

Yes, I assume he knew. We discussed this issue with Scott Pilutik at that time and decided not to waste any time on this, as it was most probably a hissy fit from a bunch of kids running a rogue reputation firm that we might have exposed.

OK, now I get it, Scott and Tony... it must have been right after he alerted me to the Lumen court order... like a separate matter, with no need to mention it to me. 

I'm sure he knows if Scott was involved. Scott handles all Tony's web stuff. Again, thanks for explaining!
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 27, 2017, 10:57
Thank you :)

We do host over a dozen anti-scan websites (among ~200 other sites) and provide support to other activists as well.

Plz do let us know if/when you come across any such fake DMCA/Court Order scam. We'll make sure the perpetrators are taken to task.

Can you share more about what is being done with these reputation management companies Per Wickstrom and agents have used? Because I went back to Lumen and took another look again...

The fake court order I mentioned earlier was also used to remove a different url: http://narcononreviews.net/management/per-wickstrom

And the court order is on the page

Court Order Complaint to Google
September 08, 2016
Francis C. Morrisson >Google Inc 
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/12987034

Its part of this bunch of fake items on Lumen:

 fraudulent DMCA & other complaints about Per Wickstrom
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Wickstrom&sort_by=


As well, there are items using fake and un attached DMCAs to remove content about Narconon ( using faked or now deleted websites used to falsely support the claims linking original content
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Narconon&sort_by=

For example, this url is missing from Google Search,
http://narcononisscientology.com/what-happened-to-narconon-in-michigan/

Google search result on above
https://www.google.com/#q=http:%2F%2Fnarcononisscientology.com%2Fwhat-happened-to-narconon-in-michigan%2F+&*

as well as other urls from that site, per  Notice at the end of the page here
https://www.google.com/#q=site:narcononisscientology.com&*

Sad part is that the whole site is not loading..... timing out

Here is the site history at Internet Archive
http://web.archive.org/web/*/narcononisscientology.com

Again, thanks for all you and your associates are doing!
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on February 27, 2017, 11:07
Thank you :)

We do host over a dozen anti-scan websites (among ~200 other sites) and provide support to other activists as well.

Plz do let us know if/when you come across any such fake DMCA/Court Order scam. We'll make sure the perpetrators are taken to task.

Can you share more about what is being done with these reputation management companies Per Wickstrom and agents have used? Because I went back to Lumen and took another look again...

The fake court order I mentioned earlier was also used to remove a different url: http://narcononreviews.net/management/per-wickstrom

And the court order is on the page

Court Order Complaint to Google
September 08, 2016
Francis C. Morrisson >Google Inc 
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/12987034

Its part of this bunch of fake items on Lumen:

 fraudulent DMCA & other complaints about Per Wickstrom
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Wickstrom&sort_by=


As well, there are items using fake and un attached DMCAs to remove content about Narconon ( using faked or now deleted websites used to falsely support the claims linking original content
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=Narconon&sort_by=

For example, this url is missing from Google Search,
http://narcononisscientology.com/what-happened-to-narconon-in-michigan/

Google search result on above
https://www.google.com/#q=http:%2F%2Fnarcononisscientology.com%2Fwhat-happened-to-narconon-in-michigan%2F+&*

as well as other urls from that site, per  Notice at the end of the page here
https://www.google.com/#q=site:narcononisscientology.com&*

Sad part is that the whole site is not loading..... timing out

Here is the site history at Internet Archive
http://web.archive.org/web/*/narcononisscientology.com

Again, thanks for all you and your associates are doing!

That is some freakish coincidence there.

Yes, we were investigating this fake DMCA report, and tried to get in touch with the webmaster at narcononisscientology.com . We never got a response and were unable to file a counter notice.

(http://img.imgland.net/7jPbeTV.png)

Soon after, in November 2016, the site was suddenly shut down. We have reasons and information to believe that there might have been a payoff involved (however, cannot confirm anything).

The domain name expired in January, and one of our users went ahead and acquired the domain name at an auction at snapnames.com and has allowed us to restore the old website, so that we can circumvent the removed URLs and file counter-notices.

(http://img04.imgland.net/P7dPSHo.png)

We'll restore the website by weekend. Any interested party may email me to take ownership of the restored website in case he/she desires.
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 27, 2017, 11:29
Again, thanks, webactivism.
PS: Often its not so much a payoff that leads to these site owners or commenters giving in and giving up, but the threat of more harassment.  I wish I knew who the owner was by name, so I could contact him/her. I may well know the person even though anonymous on the internet. If you care to share it with me privately by PM, please do so, in confidence. Thanks
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on February 27, 2017, 12:37
We do not know who ran narcononisscientology.com, but knew that it was important enough for few powerful people to file fake DMCAs against.

So we're keeping it alive as a permanent record on the internet. If you or anyone else wish to (anonymously) take control of the website, plz let us know. Either ways, we'll upload it soon and let it be (ensuring 100% uptime, ofcourse)
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on March 05, 2017, 18:16
[update] - one of our volunteers has put up www.narcononisscientology.com back online again, with as many articles as she could find from archives and cache. It is as close to the original as possibly can.
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: mefree on March 07, 2017, 18:33
 L-O-:
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 17, 2017, 16:27
Hi webactivism, sorry for the lag in response. This is terrific news. Do you know what the annual fees for domain & privacy are for renewal on it? I may have someone....

We do not know who ran narcononisscientology.com, but knew that it was important enough for few powerful people to file fake DMCAs against.

So we're keeping it alive as a permanent record on the internet. If you or anyone else wish to (anonymously) take control of the website, plz let us know. Either ways, we'll upload it soon and let it be (ensuring 100% uptime, ofcourse)

[update] - one of our volunteers has put up www.narcononisscientology.com back online again, with as many articles as she could find from archives and cache. It is as close to the original as possibly can.

FYI, all the DMCA & fake court order stuff I wrote about earlier and we discussed here are back up at Lumendatabase.org with no notation of being 'under review' as of last mention here. Is there anything I can do to get them removed?
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on March 17, 2017, 16:35
Hi webactivism, sorry for the lag in response. This is terrific news. Do you know what the annual fees for domain & privacy are for renewal on it? I may have someone....

FYI, all the DMCA & fake court order stuff I wrote about earlier and we discussed here are back up at Lumendatabase.org with no notation of being 'under review' as of last mention here. Is there anything I can do to get them removed?


There's no fee involved at all. The domain and hosting is provided by webactivism for no charges. We are reimbursed by nearly a dozen free-speech hosting services and orgs :) http://www.webactivism.com/solutions/ . The website (domain and lifetime hosting) is yours if you want it.

All the fake DMCAs and Court Orders have been reviewed ans rejected already. We worked wiht Eugene Volokh and Paul Alan Levy to ensure that none of the fraudulent DMCAs were accepted. The few that slipped through were for RipoffReport.com which we worked around with the website owner http://www.webactivism.com/ripoff-report-wipes-google-removals-stroke-of-genius/ .

Cheers !
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 18, 2017, 21:57
Hi webactivism, sorry for the lag in response. This is terrific news. Do you know what the annual fees for domain & privacy are for renewal on it? I may have someone....

FYI, all the DMCA & fake court order stuff I wrote about earlier and we discussed here are back up at Lumendatabase.org with no notation of being 'under review' as of last mention here. Is there anything I can do to get them removed?


There's no fee involved at all. The domain and hosting is provided by webactivism for no charges. We are reimbursed by nearly a dozen free-speech hosting services and orgs :) http://www.webactivism.com/solutions/ . The website (domain and lifetime hosting) is yours if you want it.

All the fake DMCAs and Court Orders have been reviewed ans rejected already. We worked wiht Eugene Volokh and Paul Alan Levy to ensure that none of the fraudulent DMCAs were accepted. The few that slipped through were for RipoffReport.com which we worked around with the website owner http://www.webactivism.com/ripoff-report-wipes-google-removals-stroke-of-genius/ .

Cheers !

This is wonderful news all around! On the 'no renewal fees' for taking over the site; and on the cooperation and subsequent change in urls by Ed Magedson at Rip Off Report so that the previously falsely DMCA'd Rip Off Report pages can be found on Google Search again.  That was a very smart suggestion!

However, will this page of Narconon Reviews and Reaching For The Tipping Point urls and it's attached fake court order ever be removed from Lumen Database? The urls are Google searchable but the page at Lumen gives legitimacy that the fake court order injunction is real. 
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/12987034# (https://lumendatabase.org/notices/12987034#)

It was previously mentioned here
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,13005.msg37075.html#msg37075 (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,13005.msg37075.html#msg37075)

Is there any way to get Google to tell Lumen Database to remove it? Lumen says Google has to inform them.

You have been much help to us here and to the many victims of these programs by helping get their complaints back into Google search. I love what you and your fellow anons are doing at WebActivism. I'm in the process of getting ready to post on Narconon Reviews about some new lawsuit complaints we have received, and writing articles about them. I will include a mention about your group's efforts in helping us keep the information available to the public when they search for information.

I will email you after the weekend regarding the site offering.

Cheers back to you, too!

Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on March 19, 2017, 18:40

Hi webactivism, sorry for the lag in response. This is terrific news. Do you know what the annual fees for domain & privacy are for renewal on it? I may have someone....

FYI, all the DMCA & fake court order stuff I wrote about earlier and we discussed here are back up at Lumendatabase.org with no notation of being 'under review' as of last mention here. Is there anything I can do to get them removed?




This is wonderful news all around! On the 'no renewal fees' for taking over the site; and on the cooperation and subsequent change in urls by Ed Magedson at Rip Off Report so that the previously falsely DMCA'd Rip Off Report pages can be found on Google Search again.  That was a very smart suggestion!

However, will this page of Narconon Reviews and Reaching For The Tipping Point urls and it's attached fake court order ever be removed from Lumen Database? The urls are Google searchable but the page at Lumen gives legitimacy that the fake court order injunction is real. 
https://lumendatabase.org/notices/12987034# (https://lumendatabase.org/notices/12987034#)

It was previously mentioned here
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,13005.msg37075.html#msg37075 (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,13005.msg37075.html#msg37075)

Is there any way to get Google to tell Lumen Database to remove it? Lumen says Google has to inform them.

You have been much help to us here and to the many victims of these programs by helping get their complaints back into Google search. I love what you and your fellow anons are doing at WebActivism. I'm in the process of getting ready to post on Narconon Reviews about some new lawsuit complaints we have received, and writing articles about them. I will include a mention about your group's efforts in helping us keep the information available to the public when they search for information.

I will email you after the weekend regarding the site offering.

Cheers back to you, too!

Hi Mary,

Let me explain -

1- The pages at Narcononreviews.net and Reachingforthetippingpoint.net have NOT been removed because Google rejected the alleged fake court order after we pointed it to them. Hence you do not see any URL removed. If you type it in Google search, the URLs show up on its results.

Lumendatabase is not owned by Google. It is a privately managed database and does not show the internal legal updates. So there is no need to be concerned at all.

2- If the URLs at narcononreviews.net and reachingforthetipingpoint.net ranks have gone down recently, it is because of Google Search Updates. It is an SEO problem and not entirely any manual (legal) action by Google. I strongly suggest updating wordpress @ narcononreviews.net , migrating to a different forum software (xenforo) for reachingforthetippingpoint.net and adding SSL certs to both sites.

3- We can contact our friends at LumenDatabase and ask them to remove the transparency report if you want. Plz let us know.

4- How can we help your fight against Scientology/Narconon ?
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 22, 2017, 11:51

Hi Mary,

Let me explain -

1- The pages at Narcononreviews.net and Reachingforthetippingpoint.net have NOT been removed because Google rejected the alleged fake court order after we pointed it to them. Hence you do not see any URL removed. If you type it in Google search, the URLs show up on its results.

Lumendatabase is not owned by Google. It is a privately managed database and does not show the internal legal updates. So there is no need to be concerned at all.

2- If the URLs at narcononreviews.net and reachingforthetipingpoint.net ranks have gone down recently, it is because of Google Search Updates. It is an SEO problem and not entirely any manual (legal) action by Google. I strongly suggest updating wordpress @ narcononreviews.net , migrating to a different forum software (xenforo) for reachingforthetippingpoint.net and adding SSL certs to both sites.

3- We can contact our friends at LumenDatabase and ask them to remove the transparency report if you want. Plz let us know.

4- How can we help your fight against Scientology/Narconon ?

Hi again and thank you for your patience.

1- I know the pages have not been removed at Google Search. I appreciate what you have done there! I also understand about the relationship, or lack of, between Google and Lumen. I am only concerned that Lumen still has that fake court order up there. Being up there gives it a sort of false credence.

2- I'm not concerned about the Google ranking.  I'm not even concerned that the urls are up at Lumen database

3- It would be great to have the whole report removed. But in lieu of that, at least having the court order, and transcript excerpt of it on that page, removed would be greatly appreciated. By it being there, Per Wickstrom could possibly use link & document to try and get other sites ( especially review websites where a RFTTP url may be linked ) to remove content that refers to the urls there. Its a ludicrous fake court order injunction but could be believable to a site owner who would remove the content just because he/she does not want to have trouble. We have seen this before.

4- I am not sure exactly at this point, so let me think about it.

Not sure if this is an area where web activism would be interested in helping but as a FYI:

One of the big issues we and the public have encountered are what we call fake rehab referral sites. These sites are set up to procure people to send to Narconon and related programs without identifying that they are run by Narconon or Per Wickstrom. They pretend to be an independent referral resource, connecting the victims up with a sales person who then sells them the program, often without the person knowing what program they are really buying. These  sites are in fact run by staff of Scientology based programs or by commissioned Field Staff Members, as they are called, who earn a % of the sale and who only refer only to Narconon programs unless they have no other choice but to send elsewhere ( usually for lack of money to pay for the expensive programs).

The video in this article shows how Per Wickstrom's salesmen pretend and then mock a poor woman looking for help.
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/insurance-coverage-collection-issues/
 
And this article on sales scripts leaked to me some years back can give you an idea of the shenanigans we deal with.

LEAKED: Scripts Spell Out How Scientology Directs the Unsuspecting to its Rehab network
http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/11/leaked-scripts-spell-out-how-scientology-directs-the-unsuspecting-to-its-rehab-network/

Here are all 10 of scripts leaked to me
https://www.scribd.com/collections/4145377/Narconon-Leaked-Sales-Documents

Unfortunately, most people fail to recall what website they went to at first. I and others, however, try to track it down... we keep running lists of these things.. and not when possble the url in lawsuit and other complaint pages on Narconon Reviews. There are hundreds of fake rehab referral websites run or managed to refer to Narconon & Per Wickstrom's unbranded Narconon programs on the internet. The name Narconon will not be found on any of them, a deceptive trade practice in itself, in addition to the telephone fraud the occurs subsequent to a site contact.

In recent times, we are now finding intervention sites that only refer to these programs. The 'interventionist' is often a former staff member or a graduate of the program. The sites do not say they are exclusive to Narconon programs but they are.

We are are not organized well on keeping up with them all as they come about but I try. This may not have anything to do with your group mission but I just thought I would mention this... I will think about your offer... and get back to you. PS: you should be hearing from someone by email soon regarding possibly taking over the website :)

Have a great week!
Mary
Title: Re: Forum Threads illegally removed from Google search engines
Post by: webactivism on March 23, 2017, 10:08

Hi again and thank you for your patience.

1- I know the pages have not been removed at Google Search. I appreciate what you have done there! I also understand about the relationship, or lack of, between Google and Lumen. I am only concerned that Lumen still has that fake court order up there. Being up there gives it a sort of false credence.

2- I'm not concerned about the Google ranking.  I'm not even concerned that the urls are up at Lumen database

3- It would be great to have the whole report removed. But in lieu of that, at least having the court order, and transcript excerpt of it on that page, removed would be greatly appreciated. By it being there, Per Wickstrom could possibly use link & document to try and get other sites ( especially review websites where a RFTTP url may be linked ) to remove content that refers to the urls there. Its a ludicrous fake court order injunction but could be believable to a site owner who would remove the content just because he/she does not want to have trouble. We have seen this before.

4- I am not sure exactly at this point, so let me think about it.

Not sure if this is an area where web activism would be interested in helping but as a FYI:

One of the big issues we and the public have encountered are what we call fake rehab referral sites. These sites are set up to procure people to send to Narconon and related programs without identifying that they are run by Narconon or Per Wickstrom. They pretend to be an independent referral resource, connecting the victims up with a sales person who then sells them the program, often without the person knowing what program they are really buying. These  sites are in fact run by staff of Scientology based programs or by commissioned Field Staff Members, as they are called, who earn a % of the sale and who only refer only to Narconon programs unless they have no other choice but to send elsewhere ( usually for lack of money to pay for the expensive programs).

The video in this article shows how Per Wickstrom's salesmen pretend and then mock a poor woman looking for help.
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/insurance-coverage-collection-issues/
 
And this article on sales scripts leaked to me some years back can give you an idea of the shenanigans we deal with.

LEAKED: Scripts Spell Out How Scientology Directs the Unsuspecting to its Rehab network
http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/11/leaked-scripts-spell-out-how-scientology-directs-the-unsuspecting-to-its-rehab-network/

Here are all 10 of scripts leaked to me
https://www.scribd.com/collections/4145377/Narconon-Leaked-Sales-Documents

Unfortunately, most people fail to recall what website they went to at first. I and others, however, try to track it down... we keep running lists of these things.. and not when possble the url in lawsuit and other complaint pages on Narconon Reviews. There are hundreds of fake rehab referral websites run or managed to refer to Narconon & Per Wickstrom's unbranded Narconon programs on the internet. The name Narconon will not be found on any of them, a deceptive trade practice in itself, in addition to the telephone fraud the occurs subsequent to a site contact.

In recent times, we are now finding intervention sites that only refer to these programs. The 'interventionist' is often a former staff member or a graduate of the program. The sites do not say they are exclusive to Narconon programs but they are.

We are are not organized well on keeping up with them all as they come about but I try. This may not have anything to do with your group mission but I just thought I would mention this... I will think about your offer... and get back to you. PS: you should be hearing from someone by email soon regarding possibly taking over the website :)

Have a great week!
Mary

Hi Mary,

1- The documents still showing at Lumendatabase, and publicly discredited, is actually a good thing. It does more good to this website than harm. However, if you want us to remove it, I'll ask the team to take it down immediately.

2- Copy that. I'll ensure that it is removed.

3- Copy that.

4- Okay


Why don't you start a Naming and Shaming campaign ? I know it sounds easier than it actually is, but we've seen that a public naming-and-shaming campaign gets noticed more than a few op-eds. There are a few projects and campaigns we've participated in, and that experience and tech can come in quite handy in your mission.  Can we take this to private messaging instead of discussing this on the thread ?