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Title: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: ethercat on September 05, 2009, 18:03
Here's an old post I ran across, and thought some might be interested in reading. 

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: A ROSE
Date: Mon, 05 Sep 94 13:16:27 -0700

Every time I get deposed by the scienos, they want to know the whereabouts
of Ken Rose. He wrote the Key to Life Course.

Well, here he is . . .

The Demons of Freedom

 by Ken Rose

 The other day we were talking to a young man who had recently become a
member of the Church of Scientology. This fellow's brother had become
concerned when the new scientologist decided to quit his job and devote
himself to full time study at the cult's "Technical Mecca" in Clearwater,
Florida. We were asked to speak to the young man and help all concerned
with the process of making a decision as to whether or not the family's
trust fund should be used to finance the considerable expense associated
with the training the young man was seeking in scientology.

 We spent a couple of hours trying to explain to these two brothers what
had become of us during our many years in scientology, and then, slowly,
the young scientologist began to ask questions. One which we found
compelling was this: was there nothing within the confines of this
extraordinary organization that justified the loss and suffering we had
endured? Was there not the promised freedom? Was it not somehow true that
no matter what the price one had to pay, it was far short of the power and
glory of the state of OT...of the state of Total Freedom?

 At first we thought this was an easy question to answer. a word.
Scientology, in fact, offers no such invaluable freedom. But as we looked
into this young man's eyes, it became clear that a further answer was
needed. What of people's dreams of freedom? What of the power and glory
that is supposed to lie behind each more confidential gateway to OT as one
progresses up the "Bridge to Total Freedom?"

 We told this fellow that he now found himself at a crossroads in his life.
We made it quite clear that scientology is an all or nothing proposition,
that one cannot pick and choose from it as if it were a spiritual
smorgasbord. We informed him that he had a monumental decision to make. [In
order to avoid any sort of climactic value which this story might otherwise
possess, we'll tell you right now that this young man made the right
choice. He is no longer a member of the Church of Scientology. Now we can

 How do we deal with the subject of freedom? Should you or someone you know
and care about find him or herself in a position of having to decide
whether or not to become or remain involved in scientology, consider the
following argument. It concerns the First Amendment to the Constitution.
Since this is an article of government which is frequently cited by people
and institutions on nearly every side of nearly all issues relating to
individual freedom, it is a statement of principle with which we should all
be familiar.

 It states in part:"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the
freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people to peaceably
to assemble, and to petition the government for the redress of grievances."
Thomas Jefferson, who possessed more than a passing familiarity with and
passion for such freedom, underscored the importance of this protection
saying, "Our most fundamental liberties depend upon the freedom of thought
and the freedom of expression; and you cannot limit either one in any way
without destroying both."

 In recent years, scientology has attemped to style itself a champion of
the first amendment and of the liberties and freedoms it promises to us
all. But beyond its protestations of alleged intrustions against it's own
freedom to defraud, coerce and conspire, the cult behaves in a manner which
is inimical to freedom. To support this statement, let us examine the
behavior of scientologists with regard to the subject of the freedom of
speech and belief.

 According to scientology policy it is a High Crime and a Suppressive Act
for a scientologist in good standing to remain in communication with any
person who has been declared to be a "Suppressive Person." What this means,
of course, is that a scientologist's right to freedom of speech is least it is limited in that one cannot exercise free speech
with respect to declared SP's. Savvy scientologists might argue that they
accept this limitation knowingly and willingly and thereby retain full
freedom of speech. But Jefferson's caveat stands: one cannot limit this
freedom in any way without destroying it. And, in fact, a scientologist who
wishes to exercise full freedom of speech, risks the consequences that
accompany violation of the above cited HCOPL. One can, of course, be
declared a Suppressive Person oneself for continuing communication to
another declared Suppressive Person.

 The point here is simply this: regardless of the arguments that can be
made supporting such a limitation of free speech, it must be recognized
that scientology advocates this significant abridgement of this freedom for
its members. Though they cite historical, religious precedents for strict
codes of conduct, etc., this fact remains. When it comes to talking to
people who have been declared Suppressive or discussing the faults of the
group, scientologists are simply not free to do so.

 To understand the force with which scientology attempts to impose this
limitation of the freedom of speech, one need only consider the
consequences of being declared a Suppressive Person and expelled from the
church. When one is thus declared, one suddenly finds oneself cut off from
everyone with whom one has lived, loved, worked, and played.

 This is precisely what happens (or what is supposed to happen) to a
scientologist who is declared to be suppressive. This is disconnection.
Think about it for a minute. Think of it in terms of your own life. Imagine
that you live in a community heavily populated by scientologists.

 For the sake of argument, let's say that you live in a community that has
wholeheartedly embraces the tenets of scientology. After all, it's only a
matter of time before there are such scientology communities? Isn't it?

 Picture youself living in a world run by scientology. Let's pretend that
scientology has achieved it's goal of world domination. The Zone Plan has
succeeded. The planet has been "cleared." And while the Sea Org gears up
for Target Two (the expansion of scientology to other worlds), the
administration of Earth continues according to Hubbard's policy.

 Remembering that you are an American, a descendant of Thomas Jefferson, et
al, you awaken one morning and decide to test whether or not your most
fundamental freedoms have been in any way abridged or limited. Perhaps you
are suddenly tired of believing that your are possessed; of auditing
entities off your body and off the bodies of everybody else you know and
off the furniture and the cars as they go by and so on. Maybe you've
decided to change your mind about a few things or you just wake up
angry...for no particular reason other than you're just angry. You decide
to speak out.

 You go to the window and, remembering how effective it was in a movie, you
stick your head out and start yelling, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going
to take it any more." What happens next?

 By noon, you are reading the Knowledge Reports which your neighbors have
written and forwarded to your Ethics File. Of course they sent carbons to
their own files as evidence of their adherence to standard policy.

 By 12:15 you are being interviewed by your Committee of Evidence.
(Remember, this is a scientology world, so everyone is required to be
extremely punctual and efficient.) The Bill of Particulars is read out by
the Committee Secretary. The witnesses are called and heard. The Committee
reviews the evidence and directs some questions towards you.

 Seeking to establish the truth, you honestly report that you were simply
fed up with the BT's and clusters and just wanted to exercise your first
amendment right to tell your friends and neighbors so.

 The committee members nod and half-ack as you talk on for a few minutes.
By 12:30 the Findings and Recommendations are published along with Ethics
Order 12,375,894,995,863...declaring you to be a Psychotic Person, a
Suppressive Person, etc. and directing all scientologists (which, remember,
constitute the entire population of Teegeeack, or, as it was briefly known
in the late 20th century, Earth) to disconnect from you.

 Now it's 12:45. You're hungry. This sort of thing always makes you hungry.
So, you step out into the sunlight and head off towards the local
McDonalds. There, you figure, you can drown your sorrows in a Big Mac (a
Big Ron?), fries, and a chocolate shake.

 However, to your chagrin, your ethics order has been published
electronically all over the world. It has arrived at the order desk just
before you. And the young woman who works there will not talk to you or
take your order. Her senior won't talk to you either. No one in the place
will talk to you. You head for Kentucky Fried Chicken.

 They won't talk to you either. The clerk at the supermarket does speak,
but only says that he won't talk to you. The other shoppers seem annoyed.
They won't talk to you. You wander home along streets that fall strangely
silent as you pass, and when you finally arrive home, you find that your
landlord has thrown your things into the street, including your parrot.
Even he won't talk to you.

 Your mother's voice on the phone is cold and distant. She tells you,
somewhat reluctantly, that she won't talk to you. Your wife is gone with
the kids. Or your husband's gone with the kids. The next morning, your boss
has ordered the company's Ethic's Officer to inform you that since no one
at the office will talk to you, you can't possibly do your job and

 Your doctor won't talk to you. You definitely don't feel well. The
District Attorney won't talk to you. Only the International Justice Chief
will talk to you. And all she will say is that you need to do steps A-E of
HCOPL blah de blah.

 OK. That's enough. But ask yourself does it really matter that this
tyranny was perpetrated against you by a "church" rather than an agency of
the state? Is there any difference at all?

 How do we reconcile scientology's claims of championing the First
Amendment with its practice of disconnection and of limiting the right of
free speech of its members?

 For instance, we were declared to be Suppressive. One day nobody we had
known for many, many years would talk to us. Were they all simply
exercising their individual liberties? Or were they acting out of
fear...the fear of being similarly put in Coventry and denied this most
fundamental freedom?

 The world we woke up to this morning is not one which is dominated by
scientology. But it is one in which people have, indeed, become reluctant
to exercise the freedom of speech on the subject of scientology. Among
those who are most reluctant are former members. For they know the church's
actual position on this freedom. They know that declared SP's do, indeed,
become Fair Game (meaning that they can be lied to, cheated, embarassed,
attacked or even destroyed by other scientologists).

 Former members, particularly those who have been declared Suppessive
Persons, know what all this is supposed to purchase: the silence of those
who would be critics of scientology. Some of us were raised with the notion
that "I might not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the
death your right to say it."

 So, here we find Rev. Heber Jentzsch, President of the Church of
Scientology, International, proclaiming himself and his "church" to be the
real champions of the freedoms of the First Amendment. And here we find the
workaday scientolgists, the Ethics Officers, the Auditors, the Directors of
Processing, The Technical Secretaries, and scientologists in general,
engaging in what amounts to wholesale destruction of those very rights.

 They say it is designed to "keep a safe space" for the expansion of
scientology. And what does scientology do when it expands into some new
area? More of the same.

 Will the earth ever enter in a post-"cleared" era like the one described
above? We don't intend to wait and see. But if it does, you can be assured
that you will no longer have the protection of the First Amendment (or any
other amendments or constitutions for that matter). In its place will stand
the Substance and First Duty of HCO, as diligent scientologists gather up
the copyrights and trademarks of dianetics and scientology and ensure their
safety and security against infringement on the infinite numbers of worlds
that lie beyond the stars and which, in the days after the earth has been
cleared, will fall, one by one, beneath the boots of Sea Org members as
they make their way back to the stars from whence they believe they came.

 These are the demons of freedom. These are the lads and lasses who
threaten us while we sleep with their dedicated service to mankind. Make no
mistake about it. If you are a citizen of planet earth, you are represented
on the Battle Plan of scientology. If you are still a wog (i.e. a
non-scientologist), even if you've never even heard of scientology, it is
really only a matter of time before you have your status clarified. If all
goes as scientology has planned, sooner or later, you will know.

 And if you do wake up one fine morning and begin to realize that no one is
talking to you, at least you'll know what's going on.

 You probably just voiced the wrong opinion about the wrong "defenders of
freedom". Right?

Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: wynot on September 05, 2009, 21:59
The story of the young brothers being helped out of the cult shows that it is possible to get people out - although it is probably easier when folks are still newbies. I am reminded of the woman who asked for some of our fliers on her way into the old org on Mt Vernon. Mak-Kow told her that management would try to prevent her from reading them, and she said that nobody told her what she could or couldn't read. Sure enough, when the DSA came out to get between the inquisitive lady and us, the first thing Susan did was try to take our fliers from her. The woman held tight, and when she left the org later, she still had them. I think we (mostly Mad-Kow) saved one there!

Once people have been in a while it seems that they have to get themselves out. This can happen when they begin to see through the con. Or when they see protesters outside their orgs, month after month, year after year - and the OTs, the most powerful beings in the universe, powerless to make us go away. Or when they read web-sites like this one, where free people can actually communicate with each other without having to practice lying (TRL), or watch our every word for signs of apostasy. In the case of Tory (magoo) Chrisman, it was that even after she spent months spamming the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology for the OSA, someone on our side was nice to her.

Anyway, thanks for this re-post ethercat. There is a lot there to think about.

'til next time;
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: mefree on September 05, 2009, 22:56
Do not want this world!
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: wynot on September 07, 2009, 08:27
Do not want this world!

Me neither. Happily, I cannot believe a world like this will ever come into existence; such extreme belief systems carry the seeds of their own destruction, built into the very fabric of their existence.

But if you want to see a prototype of that world, visit the unfortunate little city of Clearwater, Fl., USA...

'til later;
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: mefree on September 07, 2009, 09:25
Unfortunately, I am familiar with the Clearwater story to some extent. I have friends in that area that I used to visit regularly.

Once again the cult was stealthy in their methods of taking over downtown Clearwater.
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: ethercat on September 07, 2009, 15:57
I, too, hope this will not ever be a world run by scientology and I doubt that it will be, but I see evidence more and more that scientology would like to make it that way, and is working to influence any governments they can to do their bidding and put restrictions on speech that they would rather see quieted.  Here is an article you should take note of:,712.0.html

This attempt to limit free speech in Australia, attempts to pass legislation against "psych drugs," and some success at imbedding themselves covertly into politics are frightening.  They seem to get their way too easily sometimes.

This is one of the biggest reasons, IMO, to oppose scientology - their goal of running the world.  If everyone were to say, "it won't happen, no need to worry about it," that's when it likely would happen. 
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: 4truth on September 08, 2009, 14:00
Scientology's "front groups" are one of the ways they attempt to ensure a global takeover, since they all possess innocuous names with allegedly good intentions. They preach freedom but ensure slavery and destruction. A Scientology-run world would be so evil that death would actually be a preferable option.

Although I do believe that they will NEVER take over the planet, let alone the galaxy, due vigilance and outspoken activism is the only way to prevent this from occuring. The fact the cult is disintegrating before our eyes is proof enough that they will never succeed.
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: denniserlich on December 15, 2009, 10:28
Thanks for reposting, ethercat.  The article was first published in the inFormer Newsletter back in 1991.  I believe Ken Rose is now in China doing traditional healing.  I think he wrote a couple of books about it.  This is him, I think:  -  Be well, Dennis
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: ethercat on June 20, 2010, 21:45
Bumping this thread with an example of the way Scientology's world is actually run. This is a repost from a comment on Marty Rathbun's blog:

    I have no problem telling you about that night.

    I was on the “Uplines clearance” auditing program to go to the secret Gold base when it happened. October 1987.

    One evening after dinner there was the usual muster of staff at the Gold recruitment office, we were all informed that an EPF er who had recently arrived at PAC had come down with hepatitus. Apparantly we were all at risk, living in such close proximity to each other.

    We were told to make our way down to the …….. building. (It`s the old one between big blue and LA org. Mainly used for birthing except for the ground floor which had a large hall.)

    We were all to make our way there in single file and speak to no one. Everyone…… No exceptions.!!! Unless you could provide evidence right now that you had been inoculated against hepatitus within the last 3 months. (Can`t swear to the exact number of months). I just knew I hadn`t, so followed the line out into the night.

    Didn’t need to march far before we were at the back of the line of hundreds of other S.O members. Being in a line of so many people who were silent made this whole experience unique and frankly quite spooky.

    Once I made it inside the building there were maybe 20 tables set up manned by Sea org members… People I recognized. They wore rubber gloves and had boxes of syringes and small vials of what one naturally assumed to be vaccine.

    Each person entering was motioned silently towards a table. What got me was the one I was sent to was manned by a spoilt bitch 18 year old British girl who had turned all Nazi once she got into her S.O. uniform.

    She was setting up the syringes with a pair of plyers and then handing them over to some woman I didn`t recognize who swabbed my forearm with disinfectant and then jabbed me.

    A small sticking plaster was them placed over the needle mark and I was motioned to fuck off.

    It was all so surreal. Not a sound came from anyone, lest they give someone an engramic command.

    I actually thought of Jonestown as I walked back through the crowds. How easily we could have been injected with anything at all, and no one would have said a word.

    The whole PAC base was dealt with that night.

    I estimate over 1000 people. I can recall the names of some of the people there who remember this, and will mention them is asked.

    Feel free to copy and paste this.

This is like something from a futuristic horror film.   OO_OO
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: Lorelei on June 21, 2010, 01:21
That is frightening, and the writer is correct: It could have easily been Jonestown Part II.

Nowadays, it could be even worse: Imagine turning hundreds of obedient Scilons into bio-weaponry / Typhoid Marys, and setting them loose to infect as many innocents / non-Scis as possible. That's the real not-so-futuristic horror film. It would only take one devout Sci with CDC clearance, or the cleverness to mock up a fake bio-firm or research lab and ordering virulent bugs and diseases over the phone or Internet. Despite the danger and a post 9-11 world, it is probably still far too easy to get your mitts on bad things you should not have access to if you are devious and determined enough to socially engineer your way past all the hurdles. *shudder*

Fortunately, I don't see that actually happening.
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: ethercat on June 21, 2010, 18:29

I don't see it happening, either - it's hard to get money out of dead people.  Still, it says a lot about the unquestioning state of mind induced by scientology.
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: Lorelei on June 21, 2010, 20:57
Well, technically, you can get money out of dead people if you make them sign over all their worldly goods to you or your cult in their wills.

Still, as crazy at the cult is, I still don't see them going for something like that, because, as you note, they are all about the money. They'll take money from those "1.1s on the Tone Scale" and SPs and try to rook them with various front groups, so they are still valuable as potential open wallets. If they ever pull a Jonestown, though, I wonder if they'd TRY to take innocents along with them? Sociopathic urges don't seem too out of character.

Still, this is full-bore tinfoil chapeau territory. Let's agree that it is highly unlikely so we can sleep well tonight.
Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: ethercat on June 22, 2010, 21:00
Still, this is full-bore tinfoil chapeau territory. Let's agree that it is highly unlikely so we can sleep well tonight.

Title: Re: What a scientology-run world would be like
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 24, 2014, 00:19
Thanks for reposting, ethercat.  The article was first published in the inFormer Newsletter back in 1991.  I believe Ken Rose is now in China doing traditional healing.  I think he wrote a couple of books about it.  This is him, I think:  -  Be well, Dennis

Just came across his fascinating article here. I did a search 4 years later and it appears that the Ken Rose you referenced as being in China is now back and working in the USA with his wife Jessica. Mendocino, CA to be exact.  They work at The Stanford Inn's Mendocino Center for Living Well

Here are the current search results, which include many of yours.

Can anyone confirm that this is Ken Rose?