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Offline Lorelei

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I have a lot ot say about this, but limited time, so I'll just start this off by leaving these links here:

http://gawker.com/5261511/sarah-palin-throws-her-scientologist-adviser-under-the-bus
http://gawker.com/5185380/sarah-palin-advisers-secret-scientology-plot-to-take-over-washington
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22681.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31836952#31838044

Coale is a Scientologist.
Coale is married to Greta van Susteren, anchorwoman, also a Scientologist.

Lest you think we're picking on Republicans, there have been rumours that the Clinton administration also had Scientologists influencing decisions that benefited Scientology (and no one else).

When I have time to dig (unless someone beats me to it), I'll dig up what LRH has to say about the subject (and he says a lot about manipulating governmental officials / "becoming the authorities" in positions of power that no one can oppose).

The problem, in my opinion, nutshelled: Public servants are elected to represent the needs and desires of their constituency, and to work to promote legislature that their constituents want or need. The problem with Scientologists seeking public office is that, no matter how nice and well-meaning they are, IF a situation arises where what Scientology wants / needs conflicts with what their constituency wants / needs, a Scientologist in good standing MUST choose what Scientology wants AT ALL TIMES. Since we have separation of church and state in this country--or should!--this runs counter to what we expect of our public servants. To be scrupulously fair, we've also seen what happens when non-Scientologists confuse the dictates of their personal religious beliefs with (conflicting) wants / needs of their constituency, so this is not an issue solely restricted to Scientologists. In an ideal world, a public servant performs his or her duties as a spokesperson for the people who elected him / her and attempts sincerely to promote that which is in the best interest of his / her constituents, and leaves religious bias at home. Most religious people are able to do this. Scientologists are not permitted the luxury of following the dictates of their own conscience in this matter without risking repremand or worse. "Celebrity" or "Power" Scientologists do get a remarkable amount of lee-way / freedom compared to the rank-and-file cultist, but are not exempt from the command to "make it go right" ("right" being according to What Benefits Scientology's Goals, which include "clearing the planet" of non-Scientologists).

Discuss.

ETA: This commentary is a bit "tinfoil-y" but is included here in case it is of possible interest and to stimulate debate.
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Coale's jumping ship from the Dems to the GOP in the 2008 election was a tremendous mistake, for it leaves Coale out in the cold with the Obama camp. If we think like a Scientologist, Coale put himself into a lower condition in which he has to "strike an effective blow against the enemy of the group." In other words, Coale is trying to work his way back into the Democratic Party and its good graces. Getting Palin to help pay off Hilliary's debt would be a coup for Coale. His argument to Palin might have been that Hillary could privately and personally educate Palin on how to do a Presidential run in 2012. This would have been a win/win for Coale. As Scieno's like to play both sides politically, it makes sense.

It obviously appears that Coale has been appointed by DM to go and find some respectability and political influence for CoS. The last gold-coating the Turd of Scientology (ToS) was the Clinton-era polishing when Travolta agreed to downplay the "Bill Clinton character" in True Colors in exchange for White House favors to the Cult. That is all well-known and established. The problem is that there are currently no megawatt Scientology stars willing to destroy their careers to sate the TerrorMidget's lust for power.
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Re: Scientologists Trying To Manipulate Politics / Government
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2009, 23:51 »
Of possible interest: Mark "Wise Beard Man" Bunker from xenutv.com found a resource that archives old newspapers.

Here is an SP Times (then Pinellas Times, apparently) from 27 Jan, 1976 discussing "United Churches'" purchase of properties in downtown Clearwater, Florida and then-Mayor Cazares: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=dLwMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Ul8DAAAAIBAJ&dq=bob-snyder%20sorrell%20allen&pg=6622%2C3267497

"United Churches" was the front group Scientology used when purchasing property in Clearwater. We all know what has happened since: downtown Clearwater is now a "no-fly zone" / ghost town for non-cult members in the area.

More interesting, perhaps, as a useful resource for critics who wish to get better-quality images from the SP Times from that era without having to travel down there to poke through dusty stacks in a library. :)

I wonder if they have the issue that shows nine Scientologists dressed as Nazis, ostensibly to protest "unfair" coverage by the Clearwater Sun, as shown in the Clearwater Sun, 1 December, 1979 (page 10A)? I've seen scans of this article, but not the entire thing, nor have I seen a clear copy of the images. (I know they also protested coverage by the St. Petersburg (SP) Times on occasion.)

The images I'm referring to:

Link: http://i28.tinypic.com/mt86q9.jpg


Link: http://i26.tinypic.com/25kmmwx.jpg

I don't know about you, but when I see the cult dressing up as Nazis to protest a newspaper article, I feel a combination of heart-sickness and rage. I grew up surrounded by Jewish friends and my favourite ex-boyfriend was Jewish, and this sort of shenanigans just...there are no words, you know what I mean? They are just GROSS. And OFFENSIVE. And, honestly, I am very difficult to offend!!

BRB, archive digging. The Clearwater Sun does not appear to be indexed online, but I did find some interesting articles and scans of newspapers. What a neat research tool!

Clearwater officials want Scientologists out, 23 December 1979, The Ledger:  (SCAN)
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=DtYSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pfoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6912,2810870&dq=clearwater+sun+december+1979

"They proudly impinge upon community" (SCAN)
Scientologists demanding street closures
St. Petersburg Times - Feb 26, 1996
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=gLgMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=E18DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5873,1009272&dq=scientology+clearwater+politicians

Clearwater, Fla.: Scientology stronghold (online version, not newspaper scan)
USA Today Sep 23, 2007
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-23-39472492_x.htm

Mayor questions Scientologists' political activity . (SCAN)
St. Petersburg Times - Google News Archive - Aug 3, 1977
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ZPELAAAAIBAJ&sjid=yFkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4032,1102362&dq=scientology+clearwater+politics

Florida Charges Scientology In (Lisa McPherson) Church Member's Death (online article)
New York Times - Nov 14, 1998
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/14/us/florida-charges-scientology-in-church-member-s-death.html

DISTRUST IN CLEARWATER -- A special report.; Death of a Scientologist... (online article)
New York Times - Dec 1, 1997
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/01/us/distrust-clearwater-special-report-death-scientologist-heightens-suspicions.html

Clearwater Plans Action Against Scientologists . (SCAN)
St. Petersburg Times - Google News Archive - Dec 7, 1979
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=7A8OAAAAIBAJ&sjid=dnwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6205,6084708&dq=scientology+clearwater+politics

Scientologists `penetrated French state' (online article)
Independent - Sep 21, 1999
Several politicians have called for Scientology to be outlawed.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/scientologists-penetrated-french-state-1120869.html

SCIENTOLOGY THROWS GERMANY INTO A PANIC
$2.95 - Philadelphia Inquirer - NewsBank - Aug 19, 1996
As the politicians see it, Germany is being threatened by an evil cabal that plots to infiltrate business and government.

Germany, Scientology clash over Cruise
USA Today - Jun 27, 2007
Sabine Weber, a spokeswoman for Scientology in Berlin, said she was "shocked" that politicians would speak out against Cruise...
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-06-27-valkyrie-fight_N.htm

Confrontation (SCAN)
St. Petersburg Times - Google News Archive - May 3, 1982
The politicians have generally agreed on the subject —none of them likes Scientology but there remained the— question of where to go from there.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=OvoNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TnsDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6656,3201541&dq=scientologist+politicians

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Re: Scientologists Trying To Manipulate Politics / Government
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2009, 05:14 »
Our friends in the UK are concerned that the Scientologists running the SciOrg at 26 Hinkler Road, Thornhill, Southampton are running for public office. Stay tuned.

http://www.nfld.org.uk/elections/Candidates-2007/Lisa-Paul-Chatfield.html
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Re: Scientologists Trying To Manipulate Politics / Government
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2009, 22:50 »
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With the Coale/Van Susteren connection, it might be fun to play a round of "Spot the Scilon" on the report.

Here's the news story:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99DP0281&show_article=1

And the disclosure report will be here when the FEC gets around to it.
Federal Election Commission Home Page
http://www.fec.gov/

264 names in PDF form: http://images.nictusa.com/pdf/001/29934240001/29934240001.pdf

A critic asks:
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A question: OTVIII John Coale advised SP to set up SarahPAC, set it up, and is running it behind the scenes. How can we find out if some scilon front group is running the database and whether all this data is going straight to OSA?

(wat.)

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The itemized contributions are going to be made public through the FEC anyway, but your question might be relevant to the non-itemized ones. What you might want to be on the lookout for is if the contributors get mail from Scientology front groups such as the CCHR or Citizens for Social Reform (CSRPAC), or from the National Foundation for Women Legislators (NFWL).

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Tinfoil overload. Coale isn't running Sarah PAC (anymore). Evidence suggests they don't want to have much to do with him anymore. http://gawker.com/5261511/sarah-palin-throws-her-scientologist-adviser-under-the-bus

What database? The FEC records?! You think Scientology is running the FEC?
It's public dox.

Why would Scientology have the least bit of interest in any of this? Giving money to Sarah Palin might mean you're an idiot, but it doesn't make you a Scientologist or anything remotely related to them. I mean, WTF? How do you know that OSA isn't using all the data in the Des Moines phone book or some other random shit?

If you want to look for possible scilon political fronts, you should probably start with CATS ("Citizens for an alternative tax system") and Yvonne Schick. http://www.cats.org/

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I was referring to the SarahPAC database. Gawker says Palin has thrown Coale under the bus. Now that she has resigned the governorship she is free to develop a national campaign for president. Her weakness is on the national front which is precisely why she allowed Coale to advise her since he is an ole boy Beltway lawyer.

With his ties to SarahPAC I now have doubts he was thrown under the bus after all. OSA is very interested in all of this, particularly if Coale is following OSA orders, which I think is probably the case since he was part of the anti-IRS and anti-Ritalin lawsuits and is their highest profile celebrity scilon lawyer.

OSA, in fact, would use the Des Moines phonebook if it was in their interests This is different, it is an opportunity for political infiltration. You need look no further than the infiltration of the National Foundation for Women Legislators.

The SarahPAC database contains thousands of email addresses in addition to donations. That is all raw intelligence data for OSA.

Hmm.

My personal opinion? Nothing to get really paranoid or exercised about, but something to keep an eye on, casually, just in case.
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Re: Scientologists Trying To Manipulate Politics / Government
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2009, 23:43 »
The 2010 Census

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It has been confirmed in the St Pete Times article (Allegations against Scientology leader David Miscavige are

out there, but all else is normal - St. Petersburg Times http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/article1016927.ece ) that:

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County Commissioner Calvin Harris of Clearwater said he'll deal with the church as he would any other

constituent. In fact, he lauded Scientology's help with getting the word out about the 2010 Census.
We all know Scientology never does anything unless it helps itself. So, what are they gaining? How have they

helped get the word out? Are they telling their own they better put Scientology on the census to make them look

like a bigger block? Are they going door to door for the census? Are they mailing stuff out? Are they going to

try and rig the results for Clearwater in their favor?

Anyone have insight into this?

They ask religion in some other countries - and in 2001 in Australia and New Zealand more people listed their religion as "Jedi" than did Scientology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_(census)
 
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In Australia more than 70,000 people declared themselves members of the Jedi order in the 2001 census.

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Over 53,000 people listed themselves as Jedi in New Zealand's 2001 census.

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Theres 404,179 Jedi in great Britain. Strong with the force we are.

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he "keep it simple for dumb journalists and Anonymous" quote that best fits the data is that in 2008 according to the American Religious Identification Survey there were less than 50,000 Scientologists in the USA. That includes the same error spread that people are accustomed to from other opinion polls.

Sharing to keep RFTTPers in the loop about what is being discussed, more than anything.
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Re: Scientologists Trying To Manipulate Politics / Government
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2009, 20:18 »
Here are some quotes from Hubbard on the subject:

Quote from: L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Policy Letter of 4 January 1966, "LRH Relationship to Orgs"
Somebody some day will say 'this is illegal.' By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.

Quote from: L. Ron Hubbard, from a lecture entitled "Future Org Trends" given January 9th, 1962
Once the world is Clear - a nation, a state, a city or a village - the Scientology organization in the area becomes its government! And once this has taken place the only policy accepted as valid is Scientology policy.

Quote from: L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Policy Letter of 15 August 1960, "DEPT OF GOVT AFFAIRS"
The goal of the Department is to bring the government and hostile philosophies or societies into a state of complete compliance with the goals of Scientology. This is done by high level ability to control and in its absence by low level ability to overwhelm. Introvert such agencies. Control such agencies. Scientology is the only game on Earth where everybody wins.

This is one of the things that bothers me the most about scientology - their     propensity to think they know better than anyone else, in all matters, but particularly about how the world ought to be run.  It is just downright arrogant.

I wouldn't want to live in a world run by scientology, with people writing reports on every little thing anyone said, blackmail data being kept in files for later use, prison camps if you stepped out of line, and so much more. 

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