Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program

[Witnessman]

I'm also wondering about what faith exactly is Discovery House's "faith based" on site meetings supposedly premised and whether such involves  any jabbering at ash trays.

[ethercat]

Thanks for the response. From Talking to the people at Discovery House I can tell it's definitely not a Narconon operating under a different name - reason number one being that they employ a psychiatrist/psychologist. NN and SCN would never allow that, lmao.

Looking back over the Staff page at hxxp://discovertreatment.com/professionalsstaff/ , I don't see where they employ a psychiatrist or psychologist.  I see where they have a staff member, Shawn Gorman, Program Coordinator, whose bio says he majored in psychology and political science.  A major in psychology does not make someone a psychologist, and I wonder if this is being misrepresented to potential clients who contact Discovery House.

Shawn is a graduate of The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where he majored in Psychology and Political Science.  He is the father of two children, ---- and ----, who are the lights of his life.  He is Y-200 certified in Ashtanga Yoga, and is currently nearing completion as a CADC ll Addiction Counselor and an Advanced EMT.  He enjoys helping others go through the healing process of recovering from addictions and traumatic life events through teaching self worth and the balance of mind, body and spirit.

One of the "off-site independant (sic) service providers", Dana Kuebler, "Naturopath and a Nationally Certified Masters Addiction Counselor", and the owner and founder of Body Cleanse Intensive, is on the list of people who may have discoverable information in the class action lawsuit against Narconon.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/157592269/Burgess-Plaintiffs-Initial-Disclosures

She also follows Mary Rieser on Twitter, although her last tweet was in September 2010 (hmmm, not long after the Desmond case was filed): https://twitter.com/GreatCleanse/following
Humorously for those who've read some of the depositions from the Desmond case, Mary Rieser's one and only tweet from her account is from June 29, 2009:

Don - you should have money in your account today.

 

[ethercat]

I'm also wondering about what faith exactly is Discovery House's "faith based" on site meetings supposedly premised and whether such involves  any jabbering at ash trays.

Sounds like it might:
http://discovertreatment.com/addiction-counseling/

The goal of any counseling is to identify the underlying causes of your addiction and help you to handle those issues in order to prevent relapse.  This integrated approach to relapse prevention allows you to not only stop using drugs but to stay off drugs permanently.

[Witnessman]

... I have some level of familiarity with rather infamous Dr. Max Fried.  ...

I need to correct myself.  I have no familiarity with Dr. Max Fried.  I had some familiarity in the past with his father, Milton Fried, M.D.  It seems the younger Dr. Fried is a duly licensed Acupuncturist, who holds a DAOM degree.  Interestingly, on his website, he discusses his dad as follows:

 

In 2004, when he returned to Georgia, he began practicing with his father, Milton Fried, M.D. Milton Fried was the physician who brought alternative medicine to Georgia many years ago and took many arrows because of it. In addition to his MD degree he had degrees as a Physical Therapist, a DC, an Osteopath, and a Homeopath. Together, they cared for many of the hard patients, often the ones that the conventional doctors could not help. They dealt with cancer patients, stroke patients, MS patients, lupus, diabetics, cardiac and respiratory patients as well as the usual patients one sees in a family practice. The years he spent working with his father were an invaluable experience because he was able to gain an understanding of sickness, health and healing from the Western paradigm as related to his Oriental paradigm.

http://maxupuncture.com/dr_max_fried.html

I could have just missed it, but I didn't see any description of his expertise in addiction medicine.

 

[ethercat]

One of the "off-site independant (sic) service providers", Dana Kuebler, "Naturopath and a Nationally Certified Masters Addiction Counselor", and the owner and founder of Body Cleanse Intensive, is on the list of people who may have discoverable information in the class action lawsuit against Narconon.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/157592269/Burgess-Plaintiffs-Initial-Disclosures

Dana Kuebler is also noted as a "Counselor /Therapist/Social Worker (certified or licensed)" for 2007 and 2008 for Narconon of Georgia, in this document:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs4thInterrogatories.pdf

Seems Discovery House has many of the same players as NNGa; it just has a different name...

[Witnessman]

How very not surprising whatsoever!

Am I correct that when the illegal housing operation at One Sovereign Place was shut down immediately after the death of Patrick Desmond, all the male patients were moved to the Berkeley Landing Apartments in Duluth and the same operation has been there ever in whatever form under whatever name ever since?

And for how long has Darrell Hall been in charge of it?

[mefree]

Listed as CEO for Discovery Course going back to 2010, at least.
http://soskb.sos.state.ga.us/imaging/18051477.pdf

Providing transport between apartments and NNGA back to 2007-2008
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs3rdInterrogatories.pdf

I'm sure ethercat has more info.

[Witnessman]

Excellent catch as to Response to Third Interrogatories No. 1.  Note also, however, that Response No. 6 discloses that female students were at Berkeley Landing in 2007-2008 which raises the possibility Hall was running that operation way back then.

[ethercat]

Thanks for the response. From Talking to the people at Discovery House I can tell it's definitely not a Narconon operating under a different name - reason number one being that they employ a psychiatrist/psychologist. NN and SCN would never allow that, lmao.

Apparently there's 3 different routes you can take at DH. 12-step, faith-based, and eastern philosophy. Along with 1-on-1 counseling with the psych-man, and support group stuff. This is all foreign to me coming from going thru 2 different NN's, as well as working at NNLA for a long time. I wouldn't be completely against going back to a NN - they didn't work for me because I never worked the tech outside of NN... Maybe. Who knows.

I'm heading to Discovery House tomorrow... I'll let you guys know what I find.

ghostfires, did you make it out alive?