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Narconon and Other Scientology Front Groups => Narconon and related groups => Topic started by: RodKeller on October 19, 2014, 13:29

Title: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on October 19, 2014, 13:29
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Europe's new Continental Narconon, located on a 16-acre estate in the idyllic Danish countryside, provides an ideal, distraction-free setting for those progressing through the drug rehab program. It further comprises facilities to train rehab specialists that will helm Narconon centers from Madrid to Helsinki.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on October 19, 2014, 13:30
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The new Continental Narconon for the United Kingdom stands on a country estate in East Sussex and will serve as the model drug rehab center to train and apprentice staff for future Narconons across England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. — in Eastbourne, East Sussex.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on October 19, 2014, 13:30
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An hour from Toronto, the new Continental Narconon Canada stands amidst 43 acres of secluded woodland in the Ontario foothills. The 35-room facility will provide for delivery of the full Narconon program to recovering addicts as well as training for Narconon staff to serve the Canadian provinces. — in Toronto, Ontario.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on October 19, 2014, 13:31
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Situated 90 minutes from Mexico City, the Continental Narconon for Latin America occupies a five-building hacienda originally built in the late 1800s. This facility will receive students and future Narconon staff from the 21 nations of Latin America.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on October 19, 2014, 13:32
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An hour’s drive north of Sydney, the Continental Narconon comprises a main lodge and six delivery and housing facilities surrounded by bushland, to welcome students and future Narconon staff from Australia and Asia. — in Sydney, Australia.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on October 19, 2014, 13:32
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Located on 500 acres of the Magaliesburg Game Farm an hour’s drive outside Pretoria, the rustic safari-style main lodge will serve as the central hub for Africa’s new Continental Narconon. — at Magaliesberg.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on October 19, 2014, 13:33
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Atop the mountains of Ojai, California, just 90 minutes from Los Angeles, stands a Narconon that will provide drug rehabilitation services to artists and leaders of society. The Mediterranean-style estate has been set up to deliver everything from withdrawal and detoxification to special courses that provide former addicts with the skills they need to live drug-free. — in Ojai, California.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: mefree on October 19, 2014, 18:55
I remember reading about scientology purchasing the Larry Hagman Ojai estate over a year ago. There was some speculation at the time about it being a Narconon. Thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: ethercat on October 20, 2014, 10:09
Thanks, Rod. 

None of the Narconons will EVER be ideal until they institute a safe and effective program instead of that L. Ron Hubbard scientology hogwash (http://narcononreviews.net/resources/for-potential-clients/narconon-information/the-narconon-program/) they currently use.
Title: ?
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 20, 2014, 11:21
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Scientology is turning Larry Hagman’s house into a drunk tank for celebs

Not very good form from a journalistic perspective. Using an old phrase like " DRUNK TANK" lends itself to something derogatory at the expense of those that may suffer for an addiction!


http://tonyortega.org/2014/10/20/scientology-is-turning-larry-hagmans-house-into-a-drunk-tank-for-celebs/#more-17511
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Sunshine on October 20, 2014, 21:55
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Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: BigBeard on October 21, 2014, 07:35
If they're officially asking for 6, I suspect within a year there will actually be 12 to 18 if this goes through. Note the bit about converting the gym into two saunas. Business as usual.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 22, 2014, 22:48
They are also adding 2 US continental 'Ideal Narconon "  aka training centers. I wrote about one here:
Narconon Trout Run in Maryland ( marketed as in DC but no where near DC)
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php?topic=12793.0

Back in July 2013, attorney Jeff Harris, of the famous Desmond v Narconon of Georgia  et al case, used this IAS Grant Newsletter page as Exhibit T in the Burgess  et al v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon Int et al case, listing and detailing each location. There are 9 in total. The one in the photo is of the property they bought for the Narconon DC (Narconon Trout Run) which is in Thurmont, MD, which is in Frederick County. About 130 miles from Washington, DC
https://www.scribd.com/doc/155835440/Burgess-Opposition-to-Dismiss-Exhibit-T
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: BigBeard on October 23, 2014, 06:37
I remember Cof$ buying the Thurmont property. At the time I thought they were going to have a hard time meeting MD requirement to get licensed as a rehab. Any word on that front, or could that be part of why they are obviously looking at going the "faith based" route? Even though going "faith based" is pretty much going to throw existing NN's with current law suits under the bus for claiming to be "secular".
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on October 23, 2014, 09:17
I think something must have happened to derail the Maryland site, but I don't know what that would be. DM was more hyped up about this than any other Narconon. "In our nation's capital." Which it isn't, but whatever. They need a CNN in EUS to complete this plan. It could be Maryland, it could be Clearwater, or it could be some new location. I doubt it will be Georgia.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 23, 2014, 14:09
I think something must have happened to derail the Maryland site, but I don't know what that would be. DM was more hyped up about this than any other Narconon. "In our nation's capital." Which it isn't, but whatever. They need a CNN in EUS to complete this plan. It could be Maryland, it could be Clearwater, or it could be some new location. I doubt it will be Georgia.

Perhaps something did happen. I have to call the state and se if they applied and got turned down. The program certainly doesn't qualify, nor do the counselors in Maryland but they do waive certain exceptions... Will try to do this today or by tomorrow.

Yes, it would be good for medic attention there. Just need to get more details to confirm or not if they are operating. They are certainly promoting it to Scientologists, via the DC OT Committee news.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: BigBeard on October 23, 2014, 16:40
If I recall right, there's no way they would be able to meet the state licensing requirements for a legitimate rehab. Might be why they're looking at possibly going the "faith based" route down the road.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 23, 2014, 17:41
If I recall right, there's no way they would be able to meet the state licensing requirements for a legitimate rehab. Might be why they're looking at possibly going the "faith based" route down the road.

Yes, I agree. They would never qualify. I think I previously noted that and the requirements.

I and others have been bringing up this faith based possibility for some time now, based upon speculation and later insider tips for over 3 years.  Some states allow faith-based groups to provide these services without  license... like people would 'donate' the fee as insurance would not cover these, to my knowledge.  In June of 2013, Oklahoma, Senator Ivester SB 295 bill was passed and signed by the Gov . It was committee amended 2x before being passed along step by step but Gov approved it. The net result was that faith based programs of 12 or less patients won't need certification. Already in OK anyone can open up a half-way house with 6 max on residents with no certification. See this informative bunch of posts by Communicator I/C posts 23 on down the page and so forth
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?36134-OKLAHOMA-EMPANELS-GRAND-JURY-TO-INVESTIGATE-SCIENTOLOGY%92S-DRUG-REHAB/page3


So, most don't don't require certification if under a limited # of patients in some states and in others, faith based require none. CA sober living companies have an association that sets acceptable standards on that state industry and do a fairly good job of keeping things professional there, but most state sober living facilities are lacking oversight of any kind.

The bill started out stating this
STATE OF OKLAHOMA
1st Session of the 54th Legislature (2013)
SENATE BILL 295 By: Ivester
AS INTRODUCED
An Act relating to mental health; amending 43A O.S.
2011, Section 3-415, which relates to certification
of drug and alcohol rehabilitation facilities;
including recovery support facilities in certain
definitions; excluding certain faith-based and
residential recovery facilities from the Oklahoma
Alcohol and Drug Abuse Services Act; and providing an
effective date.
....
http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb295&Session=1300

It was amended a couple of times along the way by committees.
http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb295&Session=1300

Here is the final bill
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2013-14%20ENR/SB/SB295%20ENR.PDF
http://legiscan.com/OK/bill/SB295/2013

Details of the history and docs can be found at one or both of these links
http://legiscan.com/OK/bill/SB295/2013
http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb295&Session=1300

So we can see that Narconon seems to have taken a cue from the Ivester bill and multi-state laws on low number houses instead of regulated facilities...: Some states are more detailed in what can be done at these type of facilities/homes, than others. Narconons, like Spring Hill/Suncoast, are going for 'sober living ' or 'half-way houses'/homes... no licensing or certification required in probably all states...even Arrowhead is doing it 
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?36134-OKLAHOMA-EMPANELS-GRAND-JURY-TO-INVESTIGATE-SCIENTOLOGY%92S-DRUG-REHAB&p=955990&viewfull=1#post955990

The intention is to become Faith Based, and even call itself a Faith Based Program.   
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But (attorney David) Miller has been watching Hamilton’s lawsuits, and he refers to a recent pleading in which Narconon’s own attorneys referred to it as a “faith-based program.”

Busted.
http://tonyortega.org/2014/08/20/narconons-cancer-new-lawsuits-court-order-scientologys-rehab-network/

Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: BigBeard on October 23, 2014, 23:13
The problem I see with NN going "faith based" at this point is they would essentially be admitting to committing fraud with the "secular" claims they've been making all along up to this point. Of course it, if they go with the, "They weren't following our directions." claim, it wouldn't be the first time DM & Co. has thrown it's own under the bus.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 23, 2014, 23:44
I remember Cof$ buying the Thurmont property. At the time I thought they were going to have a hard time meeting MD requirement to get licensed as a rehab. Any word on that front, or could that be part of why they are obviously looking at going the "faith based" route? Even though going "faith based" is pretty much going to throw existing NN's with current law suits under the bus for claiming to be "secular".

I think something must have happened to derail the Maryland site, but I don't know what that would be. DM was more hyped up about this than any other Narconon. "In our nation's capital." Which it isn't, but whatever. They need a CNN in EUS to complete this plan. It could be Maryland, it could be Clearwater, or it could be some new location. I doubt it will be Georgia.

Just an update here. I spoke with Ms. Doris Williams of the compliance section of the Maryland the Dept of Health and Mental Hygiene Office of Health Care Quality at the Substance abuse licensing unit. She told me that she wouldn't be able to know if an application was in progress because a different department handles that but she could look up to see if they received a license. I gave her the name and address of the property. She looked on her computer system and stated that there is is definitely no facility licensed under the name Narconon in the state of Maryland. She stated that there is only 1 licensed program in Thurmont, MD, operated by Catoctin Counseling Centers located at 112 E. MAIN St. She said they they have been licensed for many years and deliver only outpatient rehab, as well as a running a licensed DWI Early Intervention Education Class.

I checked out Catoctin Counseling Centers website. They have 4 facilities in MD, Thurmont being their oldest, and have been in business for  '20 years' It's clear to me that they are unrelated to Narconon Trout Run, whose property is located at 12929 CATOCTIN HOLLOW Rd.

I explained to Ms. Williams my concerns that they might be operating illegally, that they are promoting the program to certain people as a new facility. It's not clear from the written informatio if it's upcoming or already operating.  That they bought a $4.5 million dollar property last year to run the program and that they are also calling it Narconon D.C. as well. I stated that they  have purchased some websites that contain the name the name Narconon trout Run but these are currently inactive / parked.  I asked what should one do if it is found that Trout Run is advertising for patients or found to be operating as a facility without a license. She said to definitely report it via the complaint system with as many details as possible. She then gave me the site link where one can file a complaint online, or print out a form and email it or send it in by mail. Here is what the page says:

Maryland Dept of Health and Mental Hygiene Office of Health Care Quality
 
Complaint Form
 
"Complete this form if you have concerns about the health care or
treatment that you or a family member received or did not receive.

Answer all questions. Give complete details. You may use this form as a
guide when making a complaint by telephone. We will investigate your
concerns based on the information that you provide. You may file an
anonymous complaint. "

Online Complaint Form

You can also download and print the Complaint Report Forms
Complaint Report Form in Adobe® Acrobat
Complaint Report Form in Microsoft® Word

You may scan the form and email it to ohcq.web@maryland.gov
or address written complaints to the appropriate licensing unit (listed below) and mail to:

Office of Health Care Quality
Spring Grove Hospital Center
Bland Bryant Building
55 Wade Avenue
Catonsville, Maryland 21228

Or submit your complaint to the appropriate OHCQ licensing unit phone:
Substance abuse treatment programs- (410) 402-8095 (410) 402-8052 Toll-free 877-402-8218
http://dhmh.maryland.gov/ohcq/SitePages/Complaint%20Form.aspx

I am going to try and track down the department that reviews the license applications.The state website is in the process of being updated and those details may or may not lead to a direct phone number
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: mefree on October 25, 2014, 09:12
Great info. Thanks, Mary.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 27, 2014, 08:43
You're welcome, mefree :)
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: 10oriocookies on October 27, 2014, 21:51
Narconon Arrowhead is the best example of an "Ideal" Narconon.  It is sinking and shrinking.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 01, 2014, 21:07
Narconon Arrowhead is the best example of an "Ideal" Narconon.  It is sinking and shrinking.

Yup!
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: RodKeller on November 01, 2014, 22:14
Narconon Arrowhead is the best example of an "Ideal" Narconon.  It is sinking and shrinking.

Yup!

The new Ideal Continental Narconons are big, they're beautiful, they may be very successful. I hope not, but it could be that they fill up quickly. Narconon tells an addict what they want to hear, and it can be very persuasive.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: mefree on November 02, 2014, 09:04
The new Ideal Continental Narconons are big, they're beautiful, they may be very successful. I hope not, but it could be that they fill up quickly. Narconon tells an addict what they want to hear, and it can be very persuasive.

It depends on what their angle is for the Ideal Narconons. If they plan to go the residential/inpatient route, licensing may be problematic for them. I would assume treatment at an Ideal Narconon will be expensive, very expensive. At some point, the cost is out of reach for a lot of people. You're right though, parents and addicts are vulnerable to false promises and persuasion when desperate. Many families have forked over 30k to Narconon.

Of course, their brand is hurting, at least in the U.S.
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 05, 2014, 10:13
Scientology and Narconon in Denmark, from the crew at seccheck.wordpress.com

Not open yet but...
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The State of Denmark
Here is the new Continental Narconon, the Arresøhøj, North of Copenhagen. Scientologist Jørgen Jørgensen poses at the entrance.
(http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p741/RodKeller/seccheck/November/504707_590_415_0_0_0_0_2_zpsda94caa2.jpg)
http://seccheck.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/the-state-of-denmark/

The private foundation of King's Island Arresøhøj
www.kongensoe.dk

Address of location, which used to be a former inpatient treatment facility  owned by this company www.kongensoe.dk

Præstevej 62
3200 Helsinge

Google's attempt to translate the source link
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Scientology ideas occupies Arresøhøj
Gribskov - 28. november 2013 09:59
Af METTE MAJ BROCHORST
( ohoto )

The former treatment facility Arresøhøj near Helsinge has new owners. The association Narconon Europe, which stands for addiction based on Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard's ideas, has bought the former inpatient of King's Island.

Narconon will conduct training activities for its European employees from 2014, says managing director of Narconon Europe Jorgen Jorgensen.

Narconon is not active in Denmark at the moment. The association of treatment drives for users by MørkøvPrint in Holbaek municipality was closed last year when Holbæk found the building unsuitable for treatment. Jørgen Jørgensen explains that this is due to a massive water damage. But that one will start again when it's fixed.

The organization has also been criticized for its treatment, and no municipalities refers to the place, says a professor from Aarhus University's Center for Alcohol and Drug Research Mads Uffe Pedersen.

- They have their own methods that are not evidence-based. Therefore, it is not known whether it is good or harmful, says the researcher.

Jørgen Jørgensen states that there are no organizational link between Scientology Church and Narconon, but there is a clear connection and understanding between them and the Scientologists, which also contributes to Narconon.

- But because it supports an organization with money, you are not the organization, says Jørgen Jørgensen.
http://www.sn.dk/gribskov/scientologi-ideer-indtager-arresoehoej/artikel/372306
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: AnonLover on July 30, 2015, 11:11
I hit this thread looking to confirm we know all the locations shown in this promo from Mike Rinder's Thurday Funnies:

(http://mypullzsone.mikerindersblog.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/NN.jpg)

From: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-42/

Unfortunately, the images Rod posted at the beginning of this thread appear to be broken? (Or is it just me??)
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: mefree on July 30, 2015, 20:25
It's not just you.  :(
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: AnonLover on July 31, 2015, 09:41
Replacement images via Rod for the ones now busted at the beginning of this thread:

http://imgur.com/a/DobTX

Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: AnonLover on July 31, 2015, 10:07
(http://mypullzsone.mikerindersblog.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/NN.jpg)

From: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-42/

So 6 out of the 7 known Ideal or Continental Narconons are shown in the promo, from left-to-right top down:

Scientology Ideal Narconon Latin America in Mexico City
Scientology Ideal Narconon United Kingdom in Eastbourne, East Sussex
Scientology Ideal Narconon Europe in either Ramlose or Skaerod, Denmark
Scientology Ideal Narconon Australia north of Sydney in Yarramalong NSW, Australia
Scientology Ideal Narconon United States in Ojai, California
Scientology Ideal Narconon Canada in Toronto, Ontario

Missing from the promo is Narconon Africa, so I'm wondering if that means that location is NOT IAS sponsored and privately funded.

And if I recollect correctly, the Australia and Canada locations have both been blocked from opening. Amirite?
Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 31, 2015, 11:31
A comment posted at Rinder's blog, and my response...

RMycroft says   
July 30, 2015 at 9:29 am   
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Gee, I’d like to hear how they explain that all their Ideal Narconon plans have been hitting icebergs so far, and they’re now stuck with a number of white elephant properties.

Come to think of it, Social Betterment Properties International bought those properties, and that’s directly part of Church of Scientology International. So why is IAS (total not part of CSI, completely separate, trust us) taking credit for those disasters?

Mary McConnell says   
July 30, 2015 at 5:13 pm   

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RMycroft, thanks for bringing this up. Its all about appearances, for justifying where some of the IAS member donations have gone to. Three of the eight “Ideal Narconons” mentioned back in April 2013 in this IAS “GrantsNews” propaganda piece have had applications denied by local government zoning authorities.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/155835440/Burgess-Opposition-to-Dismiss-Exhibit-T One in Warburton Australia is nearing the end of all options. .Trout Run in Maryland and Hockley Valley in Ontario Canada are almost over, too. SBPI is desperately attempting to win on appeal the last two, despite the overwhelming odds against the decisions being overturned.Each started out with zoning issue applications. The 2 in North America were deceptively and intentionally filed by a for-profit corporation acting as a ‘contract purchaser or agent called West Coast Property Investments, Inc, which was set up and is run by attorneys from Zuckert, Scoutt & Rasenberger, L.L.P, the law firm which church tax attorney Monique Yingling is a partner. The disregard for respecting;laws which impede the church and it’s front groups is a central theme on all of these…but they forget that officials and concerned citizens are not stupid. I admire each community for doing their homework, finding out what was being done to skirt the local laws and who who was behind it all. I wish I were a fly on the wall during that briefing
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Title: Re: Ideal Continental Narconon
Post by: DeathHamster on July 31, 2015, 12:59
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RMycroft, thanks for bringing this up. Its all about appearances, for justifying where some of the IAS member donations have gone to. Three of the eight “Ideal Narconons” mentioned back in April 2013 in this IAS “GrantsNews” propaganda piece have had applications denied by local government zoning authorities.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/155835440/Burgess-Opposition-to-Dismiss-Exhibit-T One in Warburton Australia is nearing the end of all options. .Trout Run in Maryland and Hockley Valley in Ontario Canada are almost over, too. SBPI is desperately attempting to win on appeal the last two, despite the overwhelming odds against the decisions being overturned.Each started out with zoning issue applications. The 2 in North America were deceptively and intentionally filed by a for-profit corporation acting as a ‘contract purchaser or agent called West Coast Property Investments, Inc, which was set up and is run by attorneys from Zuckert, Scoutt & Rasenberger, L.L.P, the law firm which church tax attorney Monique Yingling is a partner. The disregard for respecting;laws which impede the church and it’s front groups is a central theme on all of these…but they forget that officials and concerned citizens are not stupid. I admire each community for doing their homework, finding out what was being done to skirt the local laws and who who was behind it all. I wish I were a fly on the wall during that briefing
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Hockley Valley is dead dead. The property was sold out from under them. (Probably why they now buy the properties then try for zoning changes.)

Milton was turned down by the OMB. They might be able to appeal, but it seems unlikely to succeed.

My only concern is that there might be locations under the radar because they don't need zoning changes or haven't hit the news yet. (The first news of the Milton location was after Milton turned them down.)

That "Ideal Narconon Ontario" image doesn't seem to match the Milton location. Photoshop or a lurking location?

RMycroft :)