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Narconon and Other Scientology Front Groups => Narconon in Oklahoma => Topic started by: mefree on July 19, 2012, 22:43

Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on July 19, 2012, 22:43
I have heard from a creditable source that the OSBI has knowledge of 5 deaths this YEAR!!!!!


The Pittsburg Co. Sheriffs Department has been dispatched to NN AH for holding students against their will.


There is a Mother and Father there right now trying to get their daughter out, but NN AH is useing that old "theres a paperwork issue".  There are around 15 other students from out of state that are trying to leave, but NN AH is refusing to trasport them to the Tulsa Int. Airport.


THIS IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!

Thanks for the info and keep us posted, please. 

KOKH news coverage.
http://youtu.be/nJd4mS3AxZM
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_5573.shtml

KOKH Fox 25 live stream: http://m.okcfox.com/stream

http://mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x941537118/Another-death-at-Narconon-Arrowhead
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_narconon_oklahoma_stacy_dawn_murphy.php

 
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: SocialTransparency on July 19, 2012, 23:48
 
 Isn't NarCONon Arrowhead considered the flagship of the fleet so to speak?
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: cnhender on July 20, 2012, 00:13
The Mother and Father that were trying to get their daughter out sucessfully did so. They had to wait at the Sheriff's Office while 2 Deputies went to NN AH to extract their daughter. NN AH refused to release the daughter to the parents.

The Sheriff's Deputies are still at NN AH making sure the other 15 out of state students are allowed to make contact with their families and will then be transported to the Tulsa Int. Airport, prob tomorrow.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: SocialTransparency on July 20, 2012, 00:23
The Mother and Father that were trying to get their daughter out sucessfully did so. They had to wait at the Sheriff's Office while 2 Deputies went to NN AH to extract their daughter. NN AH refused to release the daughter to the parents.

The Sheriff's Deputies are still at NN AH making sure the other 15 out of state students are allowed to make contact with their families and will then be transported to the Tulsa Int. Airport, prob tomorrow.
Shouldn't the state attorney generals office step in here? Hell even the governor? At least close down the facility until law enforcement and the states OSBI can do an in depth investigation on this damn operation. The state agencies overseeing licensing of Narconon Arrowhead need to be seriously questioned as to why Narconon has been allowed to ply its trade in Oklahoma since the late 80's. Its track record is a national disgrace and in this posters opinion criminal.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on July 20, 2012, 00:25
OMG, thanks for the info, Colin. 

My sincere condolences to all the grieving people.  All of this Narconon crap that's killing and harming people needs to be shut down NOW!   >:(

And I hope all the 15 out of state students make it home ok.

Narconon is not having a good day today, between this and the Motions Hearing in the Desmond case (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg24470.html#msg24470), I'd say it downright sucks to be them.   8-^*

Edit: And yeah, what ST said!
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Intelligence on July 20, 2012, 00:27
I think the State and Federal FBI Authorities need to step in FAST. I will be in contact
with FBI again next week after I return from the USA.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: BigBeard on July 20, 2012, 00:57
Hopefully 'unlawful imprisonment' charges will be filed against those people, and I use the term loosely here, that refused to release the daughter to her parents, or let the others go to the airport.

Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on July 20, 2012, 07:46
I think the State and Federal FBI Authorities need to step in FAST. I will be in contact
with FBI again next week after I return from the USA.

I hope they do!
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 20, 2012, 23:57
Recent FOX25 Oklahoma City news reports about the death of Stacy Dawn Murphy  death at Narconon Arrowhead:

FOX25 News, Oklahoma:
July 20, 2012
Narconon Arrowhead Rehab Death Reactions
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_5621.shtml

Youtube video of report - must see
http://youtu.be/jgHHMIHICYM

FOX25 News, Oklahoma:
July 19, 2012
Narconon Arrowhead Death
Posted: Thursday, July 19 2012, 05:26 PM CDT

The Pittsburg County Sheriff's Office confirms there was another death at Narconon Arrowhead. They say the latest death at the Scientology based drug rehab facility in Canadian, Oklahoma happened this morning. Deputies are not yet releasing the name of the victim, but say the female was from Owasso. The Sheriff's Office says it has asked the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations to assist in this case because of the "numerous deaths at the facility." Investigators don't yet know how the woman died, but the Medical Examiner is expected to perform a toxicology report. Fox 25 contacted Narconon Arrowhead for comment, but we have not yet heard back. Narconon Arrowhead Death
 see news video on this here:
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_5573.shtml

Stacy Dawn Murphy 20, of Owasso, OK

July 19, 2012
McAlester News Capital:
Young woman found dead at Narconon Arrowhead
By Jeanne LeFlore Staff WriterThe McAlester News-CapitalThu Jul 19, 2012, 06:14 PM CDT
McALESTER — Another person has been found dead at Narconon Arrowhead

Stacy Dawn Murphy 20, of Owasso has been found dead at Narconon Arrowhead, according to a report by the Pittsburg County Sheriff's Department.

Four people have died while patients at the facility, three in the last year.

The report calls it an unattended death.

"The case is under investigation by the OSBI," said Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns.

Contact Jeanne LeFlore jleflore@mcalesternews.com .
http://mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x941537118/Another-death-at-Narconon-Arrowhead

What a beautiful young woman.  This is such a tragedy. May she rest in peace.

(http://d6673sr63mbv7.cloudfront.net/archive/x941537110/g0002580000000000000e3428a3ad66c4444ce1eee06fe825f1d0b4733b.jpg)
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 21, 2012, 10:29
July 21, 2012
 
Woman "held against her will" at Narconon Arrowhead
By Jeanne LeFlore
 Staff Writer The McAlester News-Capital

Story and pics.

http://mcalesternews.com/policecourts/x228004195/Woman-held-against-her-will-at-Narconon-Arrowhead (http://mcalesternews.com/policecourts/x228004195/Woman-held-against-her-will-at-Narconon-Arrowhead)
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: BigBeard on July 21, 2012, 11:04
Every time they pull this 'held against her/his will' crap when there is no court order involved, charges need to be filed against them.

Any word on whether the other 14/15 others that wanted to leave were able to get out??
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 21, 2012, 11:51
Every time they pull this 'held against her/his will' crap when there is no court order involved, charges need to be filed against them.

Any word on whether the other 14/15 others that wanted to leave were able to get out??

Yup! Charges should be filed.

No word on the others but I know Colin and the reporters are working on this issue.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on July 21, 2012, 17:16
During a planned protest of Narconon Arrowhead, the facility spends $50,000 to work on county road where rally was to take place - McAlester News-Capital (http://mcalesternews.com/local/x825331230/The-same-time-as-a-planned-protest-of-the-recent-deaths-at-Narconon-Arrowhead-the-facility-spent-nearly-50-000-to-repave-the-half-mile-of-county-road-where-the-rally-was-to-take-place)
By Jeanne LeFlore

McALESTER — The same time as a planned protest of the recent deaths at Narconon Arrowhead, the facility spent nearly $50,000 to repave the half mile of county road where the rally was to take place. Narconon Arrowhead is a non-profit drug and alcohol rehabilitation center in Canadian with ties to the church of Scientology, according to Gary Smith director of the facility.

“The cost of the (road) project was estimated at $50,000 which was paid for by the Narconon organization at no cost to the county,” according to press-release from Narconon Arrowhead.

more at http://mcalesternews.com/local/x825331230/The-same-time-as-a-planned-protest-of-the-recent-deaths-at-Narconon-Arrowhead-the-facility-spent-nearly-50-000-to-repave-the-half-mile-of-county-road-where-the-rally-was-to-take-place

Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: BigBeard on July 21, 2012, 19:43
^^^If you believe the timing of the paving project to coincide with the rally was a coincidence, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap. Being interesting to see when the permits for the road paving were approved.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on July 21, 2012, 20:03
^^^If you believe the timing of the paving project to coincide with the rally was a coincidence, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap. Being interesting to see when the permits for the road paving were approved.

LOL!  I don't think any of us believe that.  Certainly not me, unless it just happened that they also coincidentally planned to tear up the sidewalks in Clearwater whenever the Lisa McPherson protests were going on. 

Same old cult, same old tech.  They might have used the old sprinkler tech at NN Arrowhead too, except that being sprinkled would have been too much of a relief from the heat for the protesters.   :D

They better save some of that money for paying out legal judgements, because there are gonna be a bundle of those.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 22, 2012, 23:10
This is going to come back and bite them hard. Besides being a stupid thing to do to avoid a protest, what will the IRS say abpout a nonprofit paving the road for the county? This is like Quid pro quo - ( "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours." )
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on July 26, 2012, 18:24
Narconon inquiry in Oklahoma expands | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/narconon-inquiry-in-oklahoma-expands/article/3695615)
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 26, 2012, 18:56
Narconon inquiry in Oklahoma expands | NewsOK.com (http://newsok.com/narconon-inquiry-in-oklahoma-expands/article/3695615)

This is terrific news.

Reports from July 24 & 25, just before this announcement:
Investigation Underway Into Narconon Arrowhead Drug Rehab Death

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations has completed its investigation into the latest death at a Scientology-based drug rehab facility. Police found Stacy Murphy dead at Narconon Arrowhead in Canadian on Thursday. Both the Pittsburg County Sheriff's Office and the OSBI investigated her death. On Wednesday, the OSBI gave the results of its investigation to the Pittsburg County District Attorney's Office.

The District Attorney's Office tells Fox 25, it has to wait for the results of the Sheriff's Office investigation and the autopsy results, before it will decide if charges will be filed. The Medical Examiner just released its report about another death that happened at Narconon Arrowhead. Gabriel Graves died at Narconon Arrowhead in October.

According to the Medical Examiner's report, the manner of Graves' death is "not determined." Fox 25 spoke with Graves' mother about Narconon Arrowhead earlier this week. "We just need to find out what's going on and get some answers and make it stop," said Shirley Gilliam. Fox 25 contacted Narconon Arrowhead on Wednesday to get a statement about the investigation into the facility. However, we have not yet heard back. Investigation Underway Into Narconon Arrowhead Drug Rehab Death
Posted: Wednesday, July 25 2012, 04:30 PM CDT
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_5719.shtml

Third death at Okla. drug rehab prompts probe
July 25, 2012 17:51 GMT
%reldate(2012-07-25T17:49:06
Eds: APNewsNow. Corrects typo, spelling of Pittsburg in first paragraph; adds that rehab has ties to Church of Scientology.

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- After the third death in nine months at a Pittsburg County drug rehabilitation with ties to the Church of Scientology, the county sheriff has opened an investigation into the latest death.

Sheriff Joel Kerns says his office is investigating last week's death of 20-year-old Stacy Dawn Murphy of Owasso at Narconon Arrowhead.

Kerns says Murphy's body was found in her room by staff. An autopsy report has not been completed, pending toxicology reports.

The facility's director didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

Murphy is the third patient to die at the rehab since October. Gabriel Graves was found dead in October and Hillary Holten died in April.

Graves' cause of death was undetermined. A spokeswoman for the medical examiner's office says Holten's autopsy report has not been completed.
http://www.okcfox.com/template/inews_wire/wires.regional.ok/3147841a-www.okcfox.com.shtml

See and listen to Mr. Murphy, who is not letting Narconon get away with what hapened to his daughter, and Gabriel Grave's mother, who started Mothers Against Narconon (MAN). She's a brave woman and I just love her. Both are true critics of Narconon and Scientology :

Father Speaks about Daughter's Death at Narconon Arrowhead
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_5664.shtml
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 28, 2012, 23:25
 
Narconon Arrowhead fires 2 employees while death investigation continues
By Jeanne LeFlore Staff Writer
The McAlester News-Capital Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:18 PM CDT

McALESTER — The director at Narconon Arrowhead confirms two employees were fired  this week after the body of a young woman was found dead at the facility.

“To answer the question two staff was fired this week for poor job performance which were completely unrelated to the recent matter,” said Gary Smith director of Narconon Arrowhead.

On July 19th 20-year-old Stacy Dawn Murphy was found dead at the facility. A death scene investigation report from the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation which was handed over to Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns and to the District 18 District Attorney’s office on Wednesday.

“We are continuing to talk to people associated to Narconon,” Kerns said on Friday. [..]
Read on for more...
http://mcalesternews.com/local/x1923088334/Narconon-Arrowhead-fires-2-employees-while-death-investigation-continues
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: wynot on July 29, 2012, 09:23
Could this be so when these two testify truthfully, the cult^\^\^\^\ NarCONon can claim they are disgruntled former employees? Though it is hard to imagine them able to think clearly enough to make such a plan! :D

'til next time;
wynot
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 03, 2012, 23:34
Could this be so when these two testify truthfully, the cult^\^\^\^\ NarCONon can claim they are disgruntled former employees? Though it is hard to imagine them able to think clearly enough to make such a plan! :D

'til next time;
wynot

 You never know! They do make these staff sign non-disclosure agreements  >:D
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: wynot on August 04, 2012, 08:47
You never know! They do make these staff sign non-disclosure agreements  >:D

I would hope that attempting to use non-disclosure agreements to prevent an employee from reporting criminal activities would be frowned upon by any court, and hopefully would be both a civil and criminal tort.

'til later;
wynot
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: BigBeard on August 04, 2012, 09:56
From a couple of cases I've watched in my local area, the courts consider an NDA so much toilet paper when it comes to criminal cases. Not so sure about civil cases though. They might clear the courtroom or something, but don't know for sure.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: who me? on August 06, 2012, 14:10
DA: Narconon Arrowhead under investigation by OKLA Dept. of Mental Health after Four Death. Link: http://mcalesternews.com/local/x44829217/DA-Narconon-Arrowhead-Oklahoma-Department-of-Mental-Health-investigates-deaths

I am so glad the investigation continues and these peoples lives/deaths are not being brushed under the rug. They, and their families deserve much better. Tidbits that I found of interest:

"The widening investigation..."

"Hull said the Department of Mental Health was looking into the facilities licensing provisions and other issues."

"Kern's said his deputies escorted the DMH investigators to the facility on Thursday."

The Narconon staff must be so happy to have the dept of mental health involved in the investigation. ::)
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on August 06, 2012, 16:39
DA: Narconon Arrowhead under investigation by OKLA Dept. of Mental Health after Four Death. Link: http://mcalesternews.com/local/x44829217/DA-Narconon-Arrowhead-Oklahoma-Department-of-Mental-Health-investigates-deaths

I am so glad the investigation continues and these peoples lives/deaths are not being brushed under the rug. They, and their families deserve much better. Tidbits that I found of interest:

"The widening investigation..."

"Hull said the Department of Mental Health was looking into the facilities licensing provisions and other issues."

"Kern's said his deputies escorted the DMH investigators to the facility on Thursday."

The Narconon staff must be so happy to have the dept of mental health involved in the investigation. ::)

Thanks for posting. That is excellent news! 
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Intelligence on August 06, 2012, 16:51
THIS IS FANTASTIC-AWESOME News!!! Thank you
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on August 06, 2012, 21:00
"The widening investigation..."

I like this ^^^ tidbit.

Quote
The Narconon staff must be so happy to have the dept of mental health involved in the investigation. ::)

 ;D 

It's always good to see you here, who me?.  (Am I supposed to put a period after the question mark?   :D )
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: wynot on August 06, 2012, 22:46
It's always good to see you here, who me?.  (Am I supposed to put a period after the question mark?   :D )

In this usage 'who me?' is clearly (excuse me) a proper name. Ergo, you are totally correct in putting the period after the question mark. :P|

'til later;
wynot
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: who me? on August 06, 2012, 23:31
It's always good to see you here, who me?.  (Am I supposed to put a period after the question mark?   :D )

In this usage 'who me?' is clearly (excuse me) a proper name. Ergo, you are totally correct in putting the period after the question mark. :P|

'til later;
wynot

Too funny. There is some irony when wynot (who's name may be missing a question mark) is answering a grammar question for ethercat. Because I was so terrible at english in school and had to work extra hard just to get to the level of "OK", I don't much comment on grammar.

Just wanted to say, I really appreciate the work on this site (I despise health fraud and the resulting pain it causes) and am happy I can occasionally contribute.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on August 07, 2012, 07:33
^^^^
Your contributions are appreciated.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: wynot on August 07, 2012, 08:21
... when wynot (who's name may be missing a question mark) ...



While a question mark might seem to be implied in my nic, it is really just Tony W (my given name and initial), backwards.

OTOH, if you believe that this is all my nic signifies, there is a bridge to total freedom available for purchase, I hear! :D

... Just wanted to say, I really appreciate the work on this site (I despise health fraud and the resulting pain it causes) and am happy I can occasionally contribute....

Our host \--O--/ truly does a Good Thing(tm) here, and as the community grows it only gets better! :::-O-:::

'til next time;
tony
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 07, 2012, 09:15
Love that post, Tony!
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 07, 2012, 10:55
August 6, 2012
DA: Narconon Arrowhead under investigation by OKLA Dept. of Mental Health after four deathsBy Jeanne LeFlore Staff Writer The McAlester News-Capital
Mon Aug 06, 2012, 11:13 AM CDT

McALESTER — District 18 Assistant District Attorney Richard Hull confirmed this morning the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health was at Narconon Arrowhead to investigate Thursday after three deaths in the last year and a fourth death in 2009.

Hull said the Department of Mental Health was looking into the facilities licensing provisions and other issues.

"The Inspector General is looking into the consumer aspect of compliance with Department of Mental Health," Hull said.

The widening investigation began after of 20-year-old Stacy Dawn Murphy of Owasso was found dead at the facility July 19th.

Four deaths are under investigation according to Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns.

Kerns said Monday Murphy's death along with the death Hilary Holten who was also found dead at Narconon Arrowhead in April and Gabriel Graves who died at the facility in October and the 2009 death of Kaysie Dianne Werninck, 28, are all under iinvestigation.

Kern's said his deputies escorted the DMH investigators to the facility on Thursday.
He said on Friday, his department also requested documents including video tape and all records associated with the recent deaths.

"We requested everything, including video and documentation," he said.

He said Narconon was compliant.

"They gave us everything we asked for," Kerns said.

( read on for more:
http://mcalesternews.com/local/x44829217/DA-Narconon-Arrowhead-Oklahoma-Department-of-Mental-Health-investigates-deaths


Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Franco on August 07, 2012, 11:56
Does anyone know the names of the 2 employees that were allegedly fired NN OK?
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on August 07, 2012, 20:59
I haven't heard them named - maybe Colin might know.  Paging Colin Henderson...

Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Intelligence on August 07, 2012, 21:25
I'll check my "Insider" Source
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 07, 2012, 22:05
Even with their names made known, they won't be talking. Gag agreements and all being the usual. But it would be good to know who got fired :)
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on August 12, 2012, 17:17
You never know! They do make these staff sign non-disclosure agreements  >:D

I would hope that attempting to use non-disclosure agreements to prevent an employee from reporting criminal activities would be frowned upon by any court, and hopefully would be both a civil and criminal tort.

'til later;
wynot

There's a comment made by Tikk (an attorney) on WWP about these types of non-disclosure agreements (https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/how-to-report-crimes-committed-on-behalf-of-the-church-of-scientology-to-federal-law-officials.90286/page-2#post-1963338), in a thread about reporting scientology-related crimes to the FBI:
Quote
I think the one thing I'd add to this is mention of the battery of waivers and non-disclosures signed by departing exes, which is probably Scientology's most effective deterrent against investigation into its conduct. These signed agreements range with differences so there's not much useful I can say in the way of a blanket statement as to their validity.

But I will say that these agreements are intended to keep you from approaching law enforcement or filing a civil claim and like almost every contract drafted by the more leveraged party, the ones I've seen anyway, overreach and often amount to flimsy, calculated bluffs. Many of the clauses in these agreements were not meant to hold up in court--they were meant to keep you quiet. Even if certain parts of the agreement are enforceable, other parts may not be; even if you've accepted a cash settlement. At the very least, your approaching law enforcement or an attorney to consult as to the validity of the agreement will not violate the agreement. Talk to someone if you're on the fence.

Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Intelligence on August 12, 2012, 17:28
I signed a confidentiality and non-disclosure statement in my employment
contract, but it doesn't hold much water (at least in Canada), when there are
crimes being investigated.

AND on top of that, the cult knows better than to begin litigation on someone
who reports crimes etc. Look what happened in the Debbie Cook ordeal.

.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 12, 2012, 18:52
I was walking through a local antique store and came upon this ashtrays. Try as I may, I could not get a rise out of any of them! No money was exchanged,so I think that may have been the problem ;)

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/IMG_0069.jpg)
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Intelligence on August 12, 2012, 19:03
I was walking through a local antique store and came upon this ashtrays. Try as I may, I could not get a rise out of any of them! No money was exchanged,so I think that may have been the problem ;)

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/IMG_0069.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKJyQqZuu5c

.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 12, 2012, 19:06
hehe... 3((:
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: cnhender on August 12, 2012, 19:09
FUNNY!!!! Good one... :D
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Intelligence on August 12, 2012, 19:15
We have some more doozies, but saving them for the QHRC Hearings - LOl
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: cnhender on August 12, 2012, 19:17
I haven't heard them named - maybe Colin might know.  Paging Colin Henderson...
I don't have the names, but I have been in contact with one of them. She was the security guard that checked Stacy Murphy upon returning to NN AH after her pass. She was forced to fill out a statement at NN AH to say that she didn't preform a cavity search, once she signed it NN AH fired her. I am still working with her, trying to engorge her to go to the authorities. Its a work in progress.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 12, 2012, 19:34
I haven't heard them named - maybe Colin might know.  Paging Colin Henderson...
I don't have the names, but I have been in contact with one of them. She was the security guard that checked Stacy Murphy upon returning to NN AH after her pass. She was forced to fill out a statement at NN AH to say that she didn't preform a cavity search, once she signed it NN AH fired her. I am still working with her, trying to engorge her to go to the authorities. Its a work in progress.

Tell her to go to the Dept of Labor and file a complaint.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 12, 2012, 19:35
We have some more doozies, but saving them for the QHRC Hearings - LOl

 ooo}
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: cnhender on August 12, 2012, 19:42
I haven't heard them named - maybe Colin might know.  Paging Colin Henderson...
I don't have the names, but I have been in contact with one of them. She was the security guard that checked Stacy Murphy upon returning to NN AH after her pass. She was forced to fill out a statement at NN AH to say that she didn't preform a cavity search, once she signed it NN AH fired her. I am still working with her, trying to engorge her to go to the authorities. Its a work in progress.
I'll try, she is very skiddish right now.

Tell her to go to the Dept of Labor and file a complaint.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on August 12, 2012, 19:46
I haven't heard them named - maybe Colin might know.  Paging Colin Henderson...
I don't have the names, but I have been in contact with one of them. She was the security guard that checked Stacy Murphy upon returning to NN AH after her pass. She was forced to fill out a statement at NN AH to say that she didn't preform a cavity search, once she signed it NN AH fired her. I am still working with her, trying to engorge her to go to the authorities. Its a work in progress.

Thanks, Colin.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on August 14, 2012, 17:40
I haven't heard them named - maybe Colin might know.  Paging Colin Henderson...
I don't have the names, but I have been in contact with one of them. She was the security guard that checked Stacy Murphy upon returning to NN AH after her pass. She was forced to fill out a statement at NN AH to say that she didn't preform a cavity search, once she signed it NN AH fired her. I am still working with her, trying to engorge her to go to the authorities. Its a work in progress.

No engorging, LOL.
Title: [Yahoo] Deaths At Scientology-Linked Rehab Center Spur Investigation
Post by: News Thetan on August 15, 2012, 13:02
Deaths At Scientology-Linked Rehab Center Spur Investigation (http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/scientology-tom-cruise-narconon-arrowhead-oklahoma)
15 August 2012, 8:07 am

By Radar Staff An Oklahoma rehabilitation center with a controversial regimen -- and ties to Scientology -- is at the center of an investigation after three young patients died there within the last nine months. Deaths at the non-profit, non-medical Narconon Arrowhead , which was founded by Scientology creator L. Ron Hubbard , include 20-year-old Stacy Murphy , 21-year-old Hillary Holton , and ...

Source: narconon - Yahoo! News Search Results (http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/rss?p=narconon&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&x=wrt)

Title: Reeling from series of controversies, Scientology is under fire for Narconon ... - Tampabay.com
Post by: News Thetan on August 15, 2012, 21:00
Reeling from series of controversies, Scientology is under fire for Narconon ... - Tampabay.com (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGRjwLprCQl6u9u9YJffA6dG-W8fA&url=http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/reeling-from-series-of-controversies-scientology-is-under-fire-for/1246054)
15 August 2012, 7:56 pm
By Joe Childs and Thomas C. Tobin, Times Staff Writers

(http://nt0.ggpht.com/news/tbn/uP1Z-AuvlWp_QM/6.jpg)

Already shaken by a series of high-level defections, accounts of abuse among its staffers, and the high-profile breakup of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, the Church of Scientology now faces scrutiny over its controversial drug treatment program, Narconon.

Four deaths at Narconon's signature treatment facility in eastern Oklahoma have prompted local law enforcement and health officials to investigate the center and its program.

The inquiry began after Stacy Dawn Murphy, 20, was found dead in her room on July 19 after returning to the facility from a one-day leave. The cause of death is under investigation.

Two other clients died within the previous nine months. Another died in 2009. In two of those cases, serious health issues were cited; the cause of the other death is unclear.

In April, authorities in Quebec shut down a Narconon facility in the city of Trois Rivieres, saying certain treatment procedures "may represent a health risk.''

Church of Scientology public affairs director Karin Pouw said there is no suggestion the two investigations "have anything to do with Narconon's methods of drug rehabilitation.''

She said media have misrepresented facts about the Oklahoma investigation, but offered no specifics.

As for recent incidents that generated unfavorable publicity for Scientology, Pouw said: "There is no relationship to any of these things, other than the continued growth of the Church and its social and humanitarian programs.''

more at http://www.tampabay.com/news/scientology/reeling-from-series-of-controversies-scientology-is-under-fire-for/1246054
Title: SCIENTOLOGY MYSTERY DEATHS INVESTIGATED (National Enquirer)
Post by: mefree on August 15, 2012, 22:00
National Enquirer gets in on the act!


SCIENTOLOGY MYSTERY DEATHS INVESTIGATED (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/scientology-mystery-deaths-investigated)
By NATIONAL ENQUIRER staff

An Oklahoma rehabilitation center with a controversial regimen -- and ties to Scientology -- is at the center of an investigation after three young patients died there within the last nine months.

Deaths at the non-profit, non-medical Narconon Arrowhead,  which was founded by Scientology creator L. Ron Hubbard, include 20-year-old Stacy Murphy, 21-year-old Hillary Holton, and 32-year-old Gabriel Graves.

more at http://www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/scientology-mystery-deaths-investigated
Title: Re: Reeling from series of controversies, Scientology is under fire for Narconon ... - Tampabay.com
Post by: mefree on August 15, 2012, 22:58
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/scientology-rehab-center-fire-string-deaths-article-1.1136655
Title: Re: SCIENTOLOGY MYSTERY DEATHS INVESTIGATED (National Enquirer)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 15, 2012, 23:00
 (cOocO)9
Title: Families question Scientology-linked drug rehab after recent deaths - NBCNews.com (blog)
Post by: News Thetan on August 16, 2012, 13:00
Families question Scientology-linked drug rehab after recent deaths - NBCNews.com (blog) (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNE35WBS8ipkDpDlZ-onT7RzZtGZDA&url=http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13312825-families-question-scientology-linked-drug-rehab-after-recent-deaths)
16 August 2012, 7:44 am

Narconon's unconventional methods include spending up to five hours a day in a sauna for 30 straight days and taking up to 5000 milligrams of the vitamin Niacin daily. It is similar to Scientology's regimen called a "purification run-down," designed to ...

Deaths at Scientology drug treatment program Narconon bring investigationTampabay.com

Narconon Not Scientology? Then Why Is Its Leader in the Church's ...Village Voice (blog)

20-year-old cheerleader dies at Scientology linked Narconon facilityFilm Industry Network (blog)

New York Daily News -Daily Mail -Radar Online

all 10 news articles »



Source: narconon - Google News (http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=narconon)

Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: BigBeard on August 16, 2012, 17:33
From WWP:

Quote
Radio Paul

The Inspector General’s Office of the Department of Mental Health (Oklahoma) wants to hear from victims of Narconon Arrowhead.

They want firsthand accounts, in fact they need them. They will investigate any concerns you have and want to talk to you ASAP!

Local (405) 522-4058. Toll Free Number (877) 426-4058.

Please pass this along to other victims.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 17, 2012, 19:14
Thanks, BigBeard./

Here's are some snippets of a terrific article and update from McAlester News Capital's Jeanne LeFlore

August 17, 2012
 
New item in Narconon death investigation-"Pillow with substance on it""
By Jeanne LeFlore
 Staff Writer The McAlester News-Capital

McALESTER — An attorney for the families of two people found dead at Narconon Arrowhead says he’s found items listed on an autopsy report that should be part of the investigation including a ‘pillow with a substance on it.’ “It would be my thought that the investigators would be chasing down these items,” said Tulsa Attorney Gary Richardson.

Richardson, a former United States Attorney and a former Tulsa District Attorney, said he’s representing the families of Stacy Dawn Murphy and Gabriel Graves.[..]

[..]Since her death, the investigation has expanded to include three other deaths; Hillary Holten, 21 of Carr who was found dead at Narconon Arrowhead in April, and Graves, 32, who died at the facility in October along with the 2009 death of Kaysie Dianne Werninck, 28, according to Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns.

Richardson said while looking into the Narconon death cases he’s found disturbing information including some possible evidence listed on the  state medical examiner’s report.

 He said the two items listed on the ME report were handed to Grave’s mother by the funeral home director. “She still has them in storage,” Richardson said.

“This needs to be part of the investigation.”
Friday afternoon Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns, said he was sending his investigator to collect the pillow and another item.[..]

Read more here:
http://mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x543535059/New-item-in-Narconon-death-investigation-Pillow-with-substance-on-it
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on August 18, 2012, 07:58
Sadly, despite this person's complaint and others like it, very little has been done about Narconon across the U.S., until pressure was brought to bear by activists. More young people will die until they are shut down. The program is not medically sound, has little to no medical oversight, and  puts new clients in the hands of frequently relapsing, new graduates. It is no surprise, under these circumstances, that drug use at Narconon is rampant. The manner in which Narconon uses vitamins and sauna are extremely hazardous to your health!

Make sure you read the complaint linked in this article!

Letter recounts death at Narconon Arrowhead - Tulsa World (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHQuJS18GxCLeh8E2mOFXrorYzwWw&url=http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/articlepath.aspx?articleid%3D20120818_11_A1_StateD435534)
18 August 2012, 3:01 am
By Jarrel Wade

State Department of Mental Health officials received a five-page complaint (http://tulsaworld.com/narcononcomplaint) in early December detailing illegal drug use between staff and "students" at a rehabilitation facility near McAlester and the October death of a 32-year-old Claremore man at the facility.

The letter's author, whose name was redacted from a copy supplied through a World open records request, said he was terrified by his month at Narconon Arrowhead, a rehab facility rooted in the teachings of Scientology on the shore of Lake Eufaula.

In his month there, he describes his observations about the death of fellow Narconon student Gabriel Graves.

"I saw the 'nurse' of the facility crying, walking out of (redacted) room with another staffer," the complainant said about his experience on Oct. 26, the day records show Graves died. "I stood there, shocked and scared. ... It was, however, hinted to us that he may have died of a drug overdose because we were told by one of the staff that came to brief us that we might 'end up like him.' "

Graves' autopsy report lists his cause and manner of death as undetermined and unknown, records show.

"It should be noted that while I was there the use and distribution of drugs by 'students' ... and staff was rampant," the complainant wrote to Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services officials.

more at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120818_11_A1_StateD435534
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 18, 2012, 09:08
[..]
Make sure you read the complaint linked in this article!

Letter recounts death at Narconon Arrowhead - Tulsa World (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHQuJS18GxCLeh8E2mOFXrorYzwWw&url=http://www.tulsaworld.com/site/articlepath.aspx?articleid%3D20120818_11_A1_StateD435534)
18 August 2012, 3:01 am
By Jarrel Wade

State Department of Mental Health officials received a five-page complaint (http://tulsaworld.com/narcononcomplaint) in early December detailing illegal drug use between staff and "students" at a rehabilitation facility near McAlester and the October death of a 32-year-old Claremore man at the facility.

The letter's author, whose name was redacted from a copy supplied through a World open records request, said he was terrified by his month at Narconon Arrowhead, a rehab facility rooted in the teachings of Scientology on the shore of Lake Eufaula.

In his month there, he describes his observations about the death of fellow Narconon student Gabriel Graves.

"I saw the 'nurse' of the facility crying, walking out of (redacted) room with another staffer," the complainant said about his experience on Oct. 26, the day records show Graves died. "I stood there, shocked and scared. ... It was, however, hinted to us that he may have died of a drug overdose because we were told by one of the staff that came to brief us that we might 'end up like him.' "

Graves' autopsy report lists his cause and manner of death as undetermined and unknown, records show.

"It should be noted that while I was there the use and distribution of drugs by 'students' ... and staff was rampant," the complainant wrote to Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services officials.

more at http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20120818_11_A1_StateD435534

hehe, the sh*t is going to hit the fan now. That complaint, which I am familiar with. Notice that thee Inspector General received a copy of this at the time?
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: snippy on August 18, 2012, 10:07
This
Quote
five-page complaint
tells it all!  The sauna headaches, staffs' handling of this persons concerns ... wow!
I wonder what they were doing for 3 hours before calling 911?  Gee, where have we heard of that behavior before?
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on August 18, 2012, 10:47
I'm glad people are filing these complaints - maybe they have been filing them all along, and nothing's been done, all along.   :(

Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: snippy on August 18, 2012, 12:21
It's so sad. I can see Narconon telling the state the same thing they tell the parents - that it just an addict talking. Same con works with the elderly. Who's going to believe an addict or an old senile person, especially if they have no advocates. I am biting my tongue at this point.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on August 18, 2012, 12:24
I'm glad people are filing these complaints - maybe they have been filing them all along, and nothing's been done, all along.   :(

That seems to be the case ethercat, although many people aren't aware that complaints can be filed with the state agencies, their health plan, the FTC, etc.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 18, 2012, 12:29
It's so sad. I can see Narconon telling the state the same thing they tell the parents - that it just an addict talking. Same con works with the elderly. Who's going to believe an addict or an old senile person, especially if they have no advocates. I am biting my tongue at this point.

Don't bite your tongue, lol!  Go post comments on the many articles and videos being published about the situation. 

Here is a link to current articles in the news
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=Narconon+death&oq=Narconon+death&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j0j43i400.11188.16563.0.18641.14.2.0.10.10.0.313.625.3-2.2.0...0.0...1ac.2PgEBTPnp_I#q=Narconon+death&hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=sbd:1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=CsIvUK3yE-b10gHt04H4Dw&ved=0CF4QpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=9e8af424d083e690&biw=1024&bih=562 (https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=Narconon+death&oq=Narconon+death&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j0j43i400.11188.16563.0.18641.14.2.0.10.10.0.313.625.3-2.2.0...0.0...1ac.2PgEBTPnp_I#q=Narconon+death&hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=sbd:1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=CsIvUK3yE-b10gHt04H4Dw&ved=0CF4QpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=9e8af424d083e690&biw=1024&bih=562)

Here is a new video taken from FOX 25 OKC's Marisa Mendelson report last nite. Includes interview with Senator Ivester

August 17, 2012 - Narconon Arrowhead Legislation Planned

After four deaths linked to a drug treatment facility with ties to the Church of Scientology, a Senator plans to take action. Fox 25 first told you about Narconon Arrowhead in May. Now the facility has inspired a Senator to draft legislation. The center, which is based in the town of Canadian, has also sparked national interest.

Senator Tom Ivester says he plans to work with officials at the Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services to author legislation
http://youtu.be/93U9Q0312U8
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: BigBeard on August 18, 2012, 12:31
I think the Senator needs to be careful to craft that legislation to apply to ALL substance abuse rehab facilities. If it's only focused on narCONon they'll tie it up in court forever.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on August 18, 2012, 12:37

 cU#__
Title: Re: Narconon Deaths in Oklahoma
Post by: mefree on August 20, 2012, 13:31
New evidence emerges in Narconon Arrowhead Deaths Investigation - McAlester News Capital  (http://mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x543535059/New-item-in-Narconon-death-investigation-Pillow-with-substance-on-it)
 By Jeanne LeFlore Staff Writer

McALESTER — An attorney for the families of two people found dead at Narconon Arrowhead says he’s found items listed on an autopsy report that should be part of the investigation including a ‘pillow with a substance on it.’ “It would be my thought that the investigators would be chasing down these items,” said Tulsa Attorney Gary Richardson.

Richardson, a former United States Attorney and a former Tulsa District Attorney, said he’s representing the families of Stacy Dawn Murphy and Gabriel Graves.

http://mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x543535059/New-item-in-Narconon-death-investigation-Pillow-with-substance-on-it
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on August 20, 2012, 21:12
Quote
Former Narconon Arrowhead President Speaks About Deaths - KOKH FOX 25 (http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_6359.shtml)

After three deaths within a nine month period at an Oklahoma drug treatment program, the former President of Narconon Arrowhead is speaking out for the first time about why he says he left the facility and the Chuch of Scientology. Lucas Catton was President of Narconon Arrowhead around two years. He says he worked at the facility for five years after completing the drug treatment program.

Catton says the courses that are taught at the Narconon Arrowhead drug rehab facility are similar to the courses that are taught in the Church of Scientology. Although Catton does not believe the facility should be shut down, he does think it should be forced into compliance. He also believes Narconon Arrowhead should be more open about its ties to the Church of Scientology.

Catton says most patients (who are called "students") arrive at Narconon Arrowhead, not knowing it is affiliated with the Chuch of Scientology.....

....Fox 25 will have much more on this story tonight on the Fox 25 Primetime News at Nine.
 
more at http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_6359.shtml
Response from Gary Smith: http://www.okcfox.com//newsroom/features/files/NNAH%20OPEN%20LETTER082012.pdf


I wonder how long Dr. Wootan has been a member of ASAM? His profile was updated as of 7/19/2012. He is not ASAM or ABAM certified, according to the ASAM site.
https://community.asam.org/members/default.asp?id=12481771
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: who me? on August 21, 2012, 02:35

Response from Gary Smith: http://www.okcfox.com//newsroom/features/files/NNAH%20OPEN%20LETTER082012.pdf

I wonder how long Dr. Wootan has been a member of ASAM? His profile was updated as of 7/19/2012. He is not ASAM or ABAM certified, according to the ASAM site.
https://community.asam.org/members/default.asp?id=12481771

I wandered the web searching info related to Gary Smith's claims in his response which listed the types of "professional" staff at the NN facility. This has been looked into many times, but I thought Gary's written statements presented an opportunity to re-visit these issues. This may need to be another thread because there is a lot of info.

This is what I ran into:

a. 1 Medical Director, Licensed Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. He is a member of the American Society of Addiction Medicine. Board Certified Family Practice – American College of Osteopathic Family Physicians and FDA Certification for Outpatient Opiate Addiction Treatment.
You would think Gary would know the proper terminology if he has so much experience in the field of addiction treatment or would have at least taken care to state his claims correctly: The FDA does not certify doctors or facilities for outpatient opiate addiction, SAMHSA does. And although Dr Wootan is certified as an opioid treatment physician, how is this relevant to NN’s non medical treatment program?
FDA approved the drug Buprenorphine for treatment of opioid addiction.

b. 7 full time LPN’s. This exceeds state requirements for nursing staff for non medical detox or residential treatment services. LPNs would be Licensed Practical Nurse and licensed by the OK Board of Nursing and easily looked up if there were names.
Vlad Chepurko, Medical Liason Officer was the only "medical staff" I could find; and is not an LPN licensed by OK Board of Nursing)
Although the list of employees only goes thru 2008 I do not see any nurses: http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s.php?ntt=38

Lucas Catton may shed some light on the professional certifications used for staff as well.

c. 3 LADC’s (Licensed Alcohol and Drug Counselors) with ICAADC (International Certified Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor) certification.
d. 2 CADC’s (Certified Alcohol and Drug Counselors) with ICADC (International Certified Alcohol and Drug Counselor) certification.

It is hard to believe this type of professional really works there when the program has to be contrary to their ethics and other training.
From http://internationalcredentialing.org/professionals
Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor (AADC)
To be eligible for reciprocity to other IC&RC jurisdictions, credentials obtained through Member Boards must meet the following IC&RC minimum standards:
Experience: 2000 hours of supervised ADC-specific work experience.
Education: Master's Degree in behavioral science with a clinical application from a regionally accredited college or university within the United States or colleges and universities outside the United States plus 180 hours of ADC-specific education. Six hours must be specific to counselor ethics.
Supervision: 300 hours specific to the domains, with a minimum of ten hours in each core function area.
Examination: Applicants must pass the IC&RC International Written AADC Examination.
Code of Ethics: Applicants must sign a code of ethics statement or affirmation statement.
Recertification: 40 hours of continuing education earned every two years.
IC&RC credentials can only be obtained by meeting the requirements of the local Member Board where you live or work at least 51 percent of the time. The application process and specific requirements varies for each jurisdiction, so professionals seeking credentialing must contact the local board.

Alcohol and Drug Counselor (ADC)
To be eligible for reciprocity to other IC&RC jurisdictions, credentials obtained through Member Boards must meet the following IC&RC minimum standards:
Experience: 6000 hours of supervised work experience specific to the ADC domains. An associate’s degree in behavioral science may substitute for 1000 hours; a bachelor’s degree in behavioral science may substitute for 2000 hours; a master’s degree in behavioral science may substitute for 4000 hours.
Education: 270 hours specific to the domains. Six hours must be specific to counselor ethics.
Supervision: 300 hours specific to the domains, which include the 12 core functions and TAP 21 Competencies with a minimum of ten hours in each core function area.
Examination: Applicants must pass the IC&RC International Written ADC Examination.
Code of Ethics: Applicants must sign a code of ethics statement or affirmation statement.
Recertification: 40 hours of continuing education earned every two years.
IC&RC credentials can only be obtained by meeting the requirements of the local Member Board where you live or work at least 51 percent of the time. The application process and specific requirements varies for each jurisdiction, so professionals seeking credentialing must contact the local board.

OK Local board:
Member details
Oklahoma Drug & Alcohol Professional Counselor Certification Board
Member profile details
Membership level: Certification Board
Basic Information
Organization: Oklahoma Drug & Alcohol Professional Counselor Certification Board
Phone Number: 405-793-1545
Fax Number: 405-794-6797
Member Board Information
Jurisdiction: Oklahoma
Credential Information
IC&RC Credentials Offered:
      Alcohol and Drug Counselor (ADC)
      Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor (AADC)
      Clinical Supervisor (CS)
      Prevention Specialist (PS)
      Certified Criminal Justice Addictions Professional (CCJP)
ADC Acronym: CADC
AADC Acronym: LADC
CS Acronym: CCS
PS Acronym: CPS
CCJP Acronym: CCJP
Contact Information
Mailing Address: 9301 South I-35
City: Moore
State/Province: OK
Postal Code: 73160

e. 20 CCDC’s (Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor, Certified through the National Association of Forensic Counselors and The National Board of Addiction Examiners)
There is a nice thread on the bogus Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor and the 2010 tax returns at WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-oklahoma-inc-2010-irs-990-tax-returns.104444/ and http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=12634

Some of the staff that claim to be Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor:
  Gary W. Smith, CCDCExecutive Director
  Michael J. Gosselin, CCDC Deputy Executive Director
  Kathy Gosselin, CCDC Senior Director for Production
  Ryan Thorpe, CCDC Senior Director for Expansion
  Michael St Amand, CCDC Director of Legal Affairs

The forms for Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor, Certified through the National Association of Forensic Counselors http://www.nationalafc.com/images/file/NAFCAppA.pdf stat CCDC- Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor (No Masters Degree)
"This certification is issued in those states that allow those with less than a Masters Degree to practice addiction counseling. This certification requires that you have an active state license in your profession with no violations, meet all the requirements for training, supervision, and the passing of the certification examination."
And
"Further Requirements
3). Copy of your degree and state license/certification attached to completed application.
4). Have no reprimands or suspensions of your state license or state certification."

The above people are not certified by the state, but I cannot find a way to check and see if these people are actually certified by the National Association of Forensic Counselors and The National Board of Addiction Examiners.

OK http://www.okdrugcounselors.org/laws.php has licensing and certification requirements: “any person wishing to practice alcohol and drug counseling in this state shall obtain a certificate or license to practice pursuant to the provisions of the Licensed Alcohol and Drug Counselors Act. This includes at minimum a bachelor’s degree in a behavior science field that is recognized by the Oklahoma Board of Licensed …….

Except 59, section 1872: These are the exemptions to the law, and the people in these categories cannot use the title licensed alcohol and drug counselor:
 Physicians etc with other professional licenses
 Members of the clergy?
 Person who provides a prepared curriculum of life skills education and training that is designed to be self taught and does not provide individual, group or family counseling.

f. 5 CBHCM’s (Certified Behavioral Health Case Managers)
Did not get this far

g. 2 ODMHSAS trained ASI (Addiction Severity Index) Interviewers.
THe state would have records of who did this training.

h. 4 ODMHSAS trained RSS’s (Recovery Support Specialist)
THe state would have records of who did this training.

I do not know if the truth about these claims would be of interest to the attorneys of the victims families or to the senator who is looking into potential legislation regarding rehab facilities.
Title: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: BigBeard on August 24, 2012, 20:53
The CCDC issue isn't what's required by OK. It's that Gary W. Smith keeps pushing it to the state, the public, and the press as part of trying to prove what a great place narCONon Arrowhead is. I'm saying it's time he was 'called' on it, as everything I'm finding tells me it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

Oh! In between some other things going on, I am working on an FTC complaint about those circular self refering/mutually endorsing NAFC/NBAE/AACFC/FTI web pages.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 27, 2012, 18:45
August 27, 2012
Yet another Narconon lawsuit under way

By Rachel Petersen Staff Writer

[..]
"The deaths have also gained the attention of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns told the News-Capital on Monday that his office has completed its recent investigation.

“Our investigation is complete,” Kerns said. “And the final report was turned over to the DA on Friday and the DA’s office will determine if any charges are to be filed — criminally or in terms of negligence.”

Also on Monday, the News-Capital spoke with District 18 First Assistant District Attorney Richard Hull. “I am waiting for the medical examiner’s report and the toxicology lab report before I make any determination on whether or not charges are to be filed,” Hull said.

The civil lawsuit was filed Aug. 23 on behalf of Hillary Holten by the attorney for her parents, Matthew and Suzan Holten. The lawsuit alleges that Narconon did not provide adequate medical care for Hillary Holten while she was a patient at the facility and that she died as a result of Narconon’s negligence.

On March 31, Hillary Holten “was admitted to the Baylor Medical Center at Carrollton, Texas, for numerous health related issues,” the lawsuit states. During her stay at Baylor, Hillary Holten tested positive for drugs, according to the lawsuit.

Matthew and Suzan Holten “began searching for a rehabilitation center in the hopes that she could obtain treatment for drug issues,” the lawsuit states.

In their search for a drug rehabilitation center, Hillary Holten’s parents came in contact with Narconon Arrowhead. The Holtens informed representatives from Narconon that their daughter “had a history of Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia, a condition which required the daily administration of Dexamethasone and in extreme circumstances, an injection of liquid cortisone,” the lawsuit states.

Representatives from Narconon allegedly informed the Holtens that the facility had “adequate staff, including RN’s and a Medical Director, who could properly manage Hillary’s serious medical condition,” the lawsuit continues.

On April 9, Hillary Holten was transported from the Baylor Medical Center to Narconon Arrowhead in Canadian. “After her arrival, Plaintiffs (the Holtens) received an email from Defendants (Narconon) promising they would ‘take good care’ of Hillary, and that she was ‘very blessed’ to have” them as parents, the lawsuit alleges.

On April 11, just two days after being admitted into Narconon for drug treatment, Hillary Holten died, the lawsuit states."
http://mcalesternews.com/local/x252487212/Yet-another-Narconon-lawsuit-under-way
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 27, 2012, 19:17
I love this woman. Thank you Shirley Graves Gilliam for doing this interview. Must see by all, especially by parents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48kVMESwhCs
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: mefree on August 27, 2012, 21:12
I love this woman. Thank you Shirley Graves Gilliam for doing this interview. Must see by all, especially by parents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48kVMESwhCs

She is incredible! Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 28, 2012, 19:06
The families and estates of Gabriel Graves and Stacy Dawn Murphy are filing lawsuits next week.
 
September 28, 2012
Deaths at Narconon Arrowhead spur two more lawsuits

By Jeanne LeFlore Staff Writer

McALESTER — An attorney for the families of two patients found dead at Narconon Arrowhead says lawsuits against the facility could be filed next week. Meanwhile, officials await autopsy reports in an investigation into four known deaths tied to the Scientology-based facility.Narconon Arrowhead is a national nonprofit drug and alcohol rehabilitation center in Canadian.
( read on for more)
http://mcalesternews.com/policecourts/x1241986757/Deaths-at-Narconon-Arrowhead-spur-two-more-lawsuits
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: mefree on September 28, 2012, 19:59
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Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: mefree on November 19, 2012, 22:43
Story on Narconon Arrowhead coming up!
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/live/

"Back in May, Fox 25 was the first station to tell you about deaths at Narconon Arrowhead. Since then, a criminal investigation has been launched into the facility, lawmakers have announced plans for legislation and the story has even made national headlines. We spoke with one of the agencies that's investigating Narconon Arrowhead."
KOKH FOX 25 :: Top Stories -
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_8229.shtml
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: ethercat on November 19, 2012, 22:58
Story on Narconon Arrowhead coming up!
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/live/

"Back in May, Fox 25 was the first station to tell you about deaths at Narconon Arrowhead. Since then, a criminal investigation has been launched into the facility, lawmakers have announced plans for legislation and the story has even made national headlines. We spoke with one of the agencies that's investigating Narconon Arrowhead."
KOKH FOX 25 :: Top Stories -
www.okcfox.com



http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_8229.shtml
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Narconon Arrowhead has refused our requests for interviews several times. But in statement, CEO Gary Smith said, "We are proud of the fact that Narconon has enjoyed and looks forward to the continued support of the Church of Scientology and its members." Smith added, "Narconon's treatment approach is based on the secularized version of the writing of the founder of the Scientology religion, L. Ron Hubbard."
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: CoolHand on November 19, 2012, 23:25
Couple thoughts here, after reading the transcripts of the OKC Fox 25 two-part series tonight.

The first was how cold Smith came across in this written response to the deaths under his watch: "...Narconon was not in any way responsible for these deaths and it fully intends to aggressively defend these claims in the courts..."

The second was on the statement of being a secular program.  Just because the actual word "Scientology" isn't used in the materials, nowhere else are these materials/exercises/practices/procedures used accept for Scientology.  Rewording things so their not verbatim to the religious scripture doesn't immediately make them secularized.

If someone related information from other religions that were obviously attributed to those organizations, but their name was conveniently washed from the scriptures, it wouldn't make those suddenly secular either.

ABLE, who holds the licenses for the Narconon materials, is only staffed by Church of Scientology Sea Organization members who sign billion-year contracts, despite operating under the guise of a separate non-profit corporation.  Someone could apply for a job at ABLE who has worked at Narconon (displaying considerable experience in their specified field), and then sue them for religious discrimination after not being hired because they're not a Sea Org member.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: ethercat on November 20, 2012, 11:36
I moved these few posts from the Narconon Deaths (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,402.new.html) thread to this one.

Couple thoughts here, after reading the transcripts of the OKC Fox 25 two-part series tonight.

The first was how cold Smith came across in this written response to the deaths under his watch: "...Narconon was not in any way responsible for these deaths and it fully intends to aggressively defend these claims in the courts..."

Very cold.  Reminds me of, I think it was, Mike Rinder saying after Lisa McPherson's death, "She died.  People die."  It just kind of illustrates the lack of value for life - this "lifetime", anyway.  I think it's partially a product of believing that people will have more lives after this one, partially a disdain for non-scientologists ("wogs") and "degraded beings", partially a product of the arrogance and certainty that is trained into scientologists, and partially that all emotion (except anger) seems to be removed from people when they're in scientology. 

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The second was on the statement of being a secular program.  Just because the actual word "Scientology" isn't used in the materials, nowhere else are these materials/exercises/practices/procedures used accept for Scientology.  Rewording things so their not verbatim to the religious scripture doesn't immediately make them secularized.

If someone related information from other religions that were obviously attributed to those organizations, but their name was conveniently washed from the scriptures, it wouldn't make those suddenly secular either.

Ah, but scientologists believe that when you change the name of something, it changes the thing itself.  Wynot and I remember years ago, our scientologist (ex) friend talking about this, with us arguing back using "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet" as an example.  I don't know where this type of thinking comes from in scientology, what course, level, or writing, but I bet someone on ESMB would know.

In this case, though, I think it's just trying to make the square peg fit into the round hole.  It's their certainty that scientology is the answer to everything, and it's only the "wog world" that can't accept that, so it must be changed in order to be accepted.  What a pity for them that even some "wogs" can look beyond the names and see the essence.

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ABLE, who holds the licenses for the Narconon materials, is only staffed by Church of Scientology Sea Organization members who sign billion-year contracts, despite operating under the guise of a separate non-profit corporation.  Someone could apply for a job at ABLE who has worked at Narconon (displaying considerable experience in their specified field), and then sue them for religious discrimination after not being hired because they're not a Sea Org member.

Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: BigBeard on November 20, 2012, 13:08
I said this over on WWP, but it bears repeating over here.

I'm hoping Fox calls out Gary Smith on how you can "secularize" El Rums works that are identical to $cientology "scriptures" just by removing references to $cientology?? That'd be like lifting quotes from the Book of Proverbs that don't mention God and calling it a secular 'Guide to Life'. It doesn't wash. Maybe Fox could get an on camera opinion from the OK ACLU on the very idea.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: snippy on November 20, 2012, 16:18
I agree. I'd also like to see the media get more specific about what the "training routines" and other "studies" actually accomplish.  There is at least one YouTube that attempts to show how auditing is classic mind control with trigger words and so on. I haven't looked into it much, but I think the "counseling" they do is as dangerous to a recovering person as the quack detox and fake support system.

From what I've seen, rehab has three important components:

NN fails all three, but how they do harm in the last two areas needs to be explained more clearly (somewhere).
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: Intelligence on November 20, 2012, 16:33
I said this over on WWP, but it bears repeating over here.

I'm hoping Fox calls out Gary Smith on how you can "secularize" El Rums works that are identical to $cientology "scriptures" just by removing references to $cientology?? That'd be like lifting quotes from the Book of Proverbs that don't mention God and calling it a secular 'Guide to Life'. It doesn't wash. Maybe Fox could get an on camera opinion from the OK ACLU on the very idea.

There are about 2,800 pages in the 8 Narconon Course Books which I and Professor Stephen Kent have read several times. Kent has stated under oath that all books are 100% Scientology. I have reviewed these books and compared to COS books as seen below.

The ONLY thing SECULAR about Narconon and their books, is the EXPANSION of Scientology into
the SECULAR COMMUNITY. All on here know and are aware of this, but I agree; the Media needs
to know and ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS. I believe this will come in time :)

My Notes in "RED" - -

(http://i47.tinypic.com/25fkpk4.jpg)
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: mefree on November 20, 2012, 19:00
I agree. I'd also like to see the media get more specific about what the "training routines" and other "studies" actually accomplish.  There is at least one YouTube that attempts to show how auditing is classic mind control with trigger words and so on. I haven't looked into it much, but I think the "counseling" they do is as dangerous to a recovering person as the quack detox and fake support system.

From what I've seen, rehab has three important components:
  • Medically sound support to help the person with withdrawal and restore physical health
  • Valid counseling to help the person regain mental health and emotional stability
  • A respect for the person's spiritual orientation.

NN fails all three, but how they do harm in the last two areas needs to be explained more clearly (somewhere).

Let's start with the Scientology lingo. Imagine that English is your second language and you are very fluent. Here comes Narconon with its batshit Hubbardisms. How confusing is it to be given new meanings for words you have previously learned?

Scientology indoctrination is all about mind control.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: Intelligence on November 20, 2012, 19:16
I agree. I'd also like to see the media get more specific about what the "training routines" and other "studies" actually accomplish.  There is at least one YouTube that attempts to show how auditing is classic mind control with trigger words and so on. I haven't looked into it much, but I think the "counseling" they do is as dangerous to a recovering person as the quack detox and fake support system.

From what I've seen, rehab has three important components:
  • Medically sound support to help the person with withdrawal and restore physical health
  • Valid counseling to help the person regain mental health and emotional stability
  • A respect for the person's spiritual orientation.

NN fails all three, but how they do harm in the last two areas needs to be explained more clearly (somewhere).

Let's start with the Scientology lingo. Imagine that English is your second language and you are very fluent. Here comes Narconon with its batshit Hubbardisms. How confusing is it to be given new meanings for words you have previously learned?

Scientology indoctrination is all about mind control.

AND, this mind control indoctrination BEGINS in the withdrawal stage within the first hour
of a patient being admitted to NN. The harm begins in the FIRST area that, then proceeds to,
and is increased in the next two or more. TR's, Light-Objectives, and Assists, are the initial
processes in the Withdrawal Unit. This is the phase where the Patient is Assesed to interpret
whether they will cooperate with Staff when transfered out of WD and into the main Course Books.

Even on the Assist Table, the Victim begins to be mind-contoled through positive afirmations, for
example: The patients is instructed to "SAY YES" eg; "Feel my finger" - REPLY "YES", then
"Thank-You", then feel my finger and back and forth responses for quite some time of "YES"
reponses.

Then the "Feel my Hand" - - reponse - "YES", with a Staff replying, "Thank You, Great, Execllent",
in sporatic order to the patient's "YES" response.

Light-Objectives in WD are done in the same way to control the patient by having them respond
to Staff commands. I have seen Patients break down in tears, sobbing because these processes went on for hours, non-stop. The patient PLEADING to STOP!

Makes me feel ill just revisiting the event - - so sad and evil!

.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: snippy on November 20, 2012, 22:30
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How confusing is it to be given new meanings for words you have previously learned?

Exactamento! Long version:

L Ron Hubbard's Use of the "Confusion Technique" to Induce Hypnosis in Scientology  (http://www.lermanet.com/exit/confusion-technique.htm)

Short version:

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When employing the confusion technique verbally, steps are taken via verbal wording to overload the subject’s mental abilities. This can be done using a play on words such as "knows, nose, nos." Furthermore, irrelevancies and nonsequiturs can also be employed to achieve the desired results.

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No pattern of questions and answers is permitted to develop, nor do the questions themselves relate logically to each other. In this strange atmosphere the subject finds that the pattern of speech and thought which he has learned to consider normal have been replaced by an eerie meaninglessness. The interrogatee may start laughing or refuse to take the situation seriously. But as the process continues, day after day if necessary, the subject begins to try to make sense of the situation, which becomes mentally intolerable. Now he is likely to make significant admissions, or even to pour out his story, just to stop the flow of babble which assails him.

Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: snippy on November 20, 2012, 22:47

AND, this mind control indoctrination BEGINS in the withdrawal stage within the first hour
of a patient being admitted to NN. The harm begins in the FIRST area that, then proceeds to,
and is increased in the next two or more. TR's, Light-Objectives, and Assists, are the initial
processes in the Withdrawal Unit. This is the phase where the Patient is Assessed to interpret
whether they will cooperate with Staff when transferred out of WD and into the main Course Books.

Even on the Assist Table, the Victim begins to be mind-controlled through positive affirmations, for
example: The patients is instructed to "SAY YES" eg; "Feel my finger" - REPLY "YES", then
"Thank-You", then feel my finger and back and forth responses for quite some time of "YES"
responses.

Then the "Feel my Hand" - - response - "YES", with a Staff replying, "Thank You, Great, Excellent",
in sporatic order to the patient's "YES" response.

Light-Objectives in WD are done in the same way to control the patient by having them respond
to Staff commands. I have seen Patients break down in tears, sobbing because these processes went on for hours, non-stop. The patient PLEADING to STOP!

Makes me feel ill just revisiting the event - - so sad and evil!


This makes me SO angry! It is such a violation and it has to be a major mind fck for any counselor also.  Damn them.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: Intelligence on November 20, 2012, 22:55

AND, this mind control indoctrination BEGINS in the withdrawal stage within the first hour
of a patient being admitted to NN. The harm begins in the FIRST area that, then proceeds to,
and is increased in the next two or more. TR's, Light-Objectives, and Assists, are the initial
processes in the Withdrawal Unit. This is the phase where the Patient is Assessed to interpret
whether they will cooperate with Staff when transferred out of WD and into the main Course Books.

Even on the Assist Table, the Victim begins to be mind-controlled through positive affirmations, for
example: The patients is instructed to "SAY YES" eg; "Feel my finger" - REPLY "YES", then
"Thank-You", then feel my finger and back and forth responses for quite some time of "YES"
responses.

Then the "Feel my Hand" - - response - "YES", with a Staff replying, "Thank You, Great, Excellent",
in sporatic order to the patient's "YES" response.

Light-Objectives in WD are done in the same way to control the patient by having them respond
to Staff commands. I have seen Patients break down in tears, sobbing because these processes went on for hours, non-stop. The patient PLEADING to STOP!

Makes me feel ill just revisiting the event - - so sad and evil!


This makes me SO angry! It is such a violation and it has to be a major mind fck for any counselor also.  Damn them.

It IS a mind FK and also makes me so VERY angry. Especially when the Victim comes to
them very sick in Withdrawals. In physical and serious emotional PAIN. Brain-Washing
happens more in prisoner of war situations where the prisoner KNOWS their adversray.
With "Mind-Control" manipulation, the Victim only KNOWS the NN Staff as someone who
they TRUST ,...., and the Victim does not give permission to be taught Scientology Religious
Doctrines. At COS ORGS, the public KNOWS, but not the NN Victim.

It's bloody criminal, IMO, and I think the Feds (FBI), should address how these Victims are
conned into NN by Interstate Fraud and ONLINE Scams, as per their Mandate. Keeping fingers
crossed that this will happen in due course?

.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: snippy on November 20, 2012, 23:07
OK you brought it up.  From Wikipedia:

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Third Geneva Convention
    Part II: General Protection of Prisoners of War
        Articles 13 to 16 state that prisoners of war must be treated humanely without any adverse discrimination and that their medical needs must be met.

Can't find the rules of interrogation right now, but I'm fantasizing about an effective UN swooping down on them.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: Intelligence on November 20, 2012, 23:12
OK you brought it up.  From Wikipedia:

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Third Geneva Convention
    Part II: General Protection of Prisoners of War
        Articles 13 to 16 state that prisoners of war must be treated humanely without any adverse discrimination and that their medical needs must be met.

Indeed, this ^^^ is how it's supposed to be. I think it was published before Guantanamo Bay?

Here is a wee page that explains the mind control in simple terms. I LIKE simple :-)
http://www.howcultswork.com/

.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: mefree on November 20, 2012, 23:29

AND, this mind control indoctrination BEGINS in the withdrawal stage within the first hour
of a patient being admitted to NN. The harm begins in the FIRST area that, then proceeds to,
and is increased in the next two or more. TR's, Light-Objectives, and Assists, are the initial
processes in the Withdrawal Unit. This is the phase where the Patient is Assessed to interpret
whether they will cooperate with Staff when transferred out of WD and into the main Course Books.

Even on the Assist Table, the Victim begins to be mind-controlled through positive affirmations, for
example: The patients is instructed to "SAY YES" eg; "Feel my finger" - REPLY "YES", then
"Thank-You", then feel my finger and back and forth responses for quite some time of "YES"
responses.

Then the "Feel my Hand" - - response - "YES", with a Staff replying, "Thank You, Great, Excellent",
in sporatic order to the patient's "YES" response.

Light-Objectives in WD are done in the same way to control the patient by having them respond
to Staff commands. I have seen Patients break down in tears, sobbing because these processes went on for hours, non-stop. The patient PLEADING to STOP!

Makes me feel ill just revisiting the event - - so sad and evil!


This makes me SO angry! It is such a violation and it has to be a major mind fck for any counselor also.  Damn them.

I'm with you, Snippy.  Let's face it; entering treatment is a major feat unto itself. For the poor souls entering Narconon, instead of medical detox, counseling, talking about feelings or tools for sobriety they get this crap! Of course, that's if the sauna and vitamin bombs are survived.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
Post by: snippy on November 20, 2012, 23:51

...  Let's face it; entering treatment is a major feat unto itself. For the poor souls entering Narconon, instead of medical detox, counseling, talking about feelings or tools for sobriety they get this crap! Of course, that's if the sauna and vitamin bombs are survived.

Well said, mefree, and you know this is exactly why the suicides belong on the list of deaths. It is NN's abusive mind control routines, which invalidate an already emotionally fragile person's sense of reality, that have pushed people over the edge.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: CoolHand on April 16, 2013, 07:07
This just in from the head of the  Field Control Division at Narconon Arrowhead (forwarded to me):

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Dear FSM,

Please help us save lives from the scourge of drug addiction.  Send you referrals to Narconon Arrowhead NOW!  The technology of drug rehabilitation has never been better.

With the onslaught of prescription drug abuse, comes a whole new era in the treatment of these addictions.  Our withdrawal team and case supervision team is trained on the peculiarities of these situations and is getting more trained daily.  We have a four man team on the ground from Narconon International assisting, and lives are being turned around faster and smoother than ever.  We are getting products like never before, as well as the quality hitting new highs.

With the advent of the new Addiction Referral Specialist program, making your selections and earning your fee is also easier than ever before.  If you haven’t received you copy of this exciting new program or have questions regarding it, contact us as soon as possible.  You don’t want to miss out on this!

We in the Field Control Division will be getting a hold of you by email or phone in the very near future. We can handle any question or considerations you may have and will do all we can to help rehabilitate your purpose -  to help save lives from addiction.  But you don’t have to wait either, feel free to contact us at anytime.

So, things are so bad they have a four-man team from Narconon International on the ground running there (dumb admission) and they've made it easier than ever to get a commission for sending someone there (which is because without the false third-party validation/referral very few people would go).
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 16, 2013, 07:43
This just in from the head of the  Field Control Division at Narconon Arrowhead (forwarded to me):

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Dear FSM,

Please help us save lives from the scourge of drug addiction.  Send you referrals to Narconon Arrowhead NOW!  The technology of drug rehabilitation has never been better.

With the onslaught of prescription drug abuse, comes a whole new era in the treatment of these addictions.  Our withdrawal team and case supervision team is trained on the peculiarities of these situations and is getting more trained daily.  We have a four man team on the ground from Narconon International assisting, and lives are being turned around faster and smoother than ever.  We are getting products like never before, as well as the quality hitting new highs.

With the advent of the new Addiction Referral Specialist program, making your selections and earning your fee is also easier than ever before.  If you haven’t received you copy of this exciting new program or have questions regarding it, contact us as soon as possible.  You don’t want to miss out on this!

We in the Field Control Division will be getting a hold of you by email or phone in the very near future. We can handle any question or considerations you may have and will do all we can to help rehabilitate your purpose -  to help save lives from addiction.  But you don’t have to wait either, feel free to contact us at anytime.

So, things are so bad they have a four-man team from Narconon International on the ground running there (dumb admission) and they've made it easier than ever to get a commission for sending someone there (which is because without the false third-party validation/referral very few people would go).

 3((: Going LRH ... based upon the Scientology Field Staff Member commissions system! I'd like to hope that Narconon Fresh Start's fake referral docs I posted contributed to this new effort? LOL!
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12330.0.html
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on April 16, 2013, 18:09
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Send your referrals NOW!

A tad desperate?
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on April 17, 2013, 11:26
This just in from the head of the  Field Control Division at Narconon Arrowhead (forwarded to me):

Quote
Dear FSM,

Please help us save lives from the scourge of drug addiction.  Send you referrals to Narconon Arrowhead NOW!  The technology of drug rehabilitation has never been better.

With the onslaught of prescription drug abuse, comes a whole new era in the treatment of these addictions.  Our withdrawal team and case supervision team is trained on the peculiarities of these situations and is getting more trained daily.  We have a four man team on the ground from Narconon International assisting, and lives are being turned around faster and smoother than ever.  We are getting products like never before, as well as the quality hitting new highs.

Prescription drug abuse is nothing new.   ???  They sound like drug dealers themselves. 
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Cigul on April 17, 2013, 11:36
Ecat, I was taking one of the staff courses (in 2011, mind you) and read from the course book about the dangers of the increasing number of beatniks. Literally, "beatniks." I'd say that Narconon just now catching up to prescription drug abuse is pretty good for that bunch! Must give credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on April 18, 2013, 11:10
Ecat, I was taking one of the staff courses (in 2011, mind you) and read from the course book about the dangers of the increasing number of beatniks. Literally, "beatniks." I'd say that Narconon just now catching up to prescription drug abuse is pretty good for that bunch! Must give credit where credit is due.

Hahahaha!  I guess they've been busy studying what Hubbard said to do for so long, all his advice is outdated now.  But carry on as long as you can, Narconon.  Your days are numbered.  Literally:

April 18: Thursday 2pm
April 25: Thursday 2pm
May 2: Thursday 2pm
May 9: Thursday 2pm
May 16: Thursday 2pm
May 23: Thursday 2pm
etc....
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 18, 2013, 18:32
^^^  3((:

Ecat, I was taking one of the staff courses (in 2011, mind you) and read from the course book about the dangers of the increasing number of beatniks. Literally, "beatniks." I'd say that Narconon just now catching up to prescription drug abuse is pretty good for that bunch! Must give credit where credit is due.

I think the reason is similar to what they use Dear Alice clips from Alice in Wonderland aka Alice Through The Looking Glass. They used that word was because it was a non-thing, one that one did not have to think about so as to not take away attention from the lesson. Pretty much everything can be statistically used in business but the word beatniks aren't and the word would not require you to imagine hard;  it's nonsensical and doesn't produce much of an "MU" ... so Hubbard claims.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on April 18, 2013, 21:20
Hubbard was just mad that the beatniks probably wanted nothing to do with him - they were cooler than he was and he was jealous.  Like with the "psychs" who were real scientists as opposed to Hubbard's pseudo science and "research".
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 18, 2013, 21:41
Hubbard was just mad that the beatniks probably wanted nothing to do with him - they were cooler than he was and he was jealous.  Like with the "psychs" who were real scientists as opposed to Hubbard's pseudo science and "research".

 3((:
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on May 19, 2013, 12:38
Narconon Arrowhead drug rehab facility is under investigation, but details are few - Tulsa World (http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Narconon_Arrowhead_drug_rehab_facility_is_under_investigation/20130519_11_A17_ULNSha28918)
By JARREL WADE World Staff Writer on May 19, 2013, at 2:27 AM  Updated on 5/19/13 at 8:24 AM

It's been 10 months since Stacy Dawn Murphy died at Narconon Arrowhead and a multiagency investigation began into the facility northeast of McAlester on Lake Eufaula.

Lawmakers have gotten involved, passing a bill this month to give state officials direct oversight of the rehab facility that employs detoxification techniques rooted in Scientology and has been the target of numerous lawsuits, some alleging wrongful death and fraud.

Patients who died at the facility include Gabriel Graves, 32, of Claremore; Hillary Holten, 21, of Carrollton, Texas; and Murphy, 20, of Owasso.

Graves died Oct. 26, 2011, and Holten died April 11, 2012.

Murphy's death July 19 from a drug overdose while at the facility sparked the investigation.

All three patients' families have filed wrongful death and negligence lawsuits against Narconon Arrowhead.

Tulsa attorney Gary Richardson, who is representing several families in various lawsuits against Narconon, said he has told his clients not to focus on shutting down Narconon.

"I've tried to help them understand that their job is not to focus on that," Richardson said. "I think that as long as they see movement (on the lawsuits) in that direction, that that eases their frustration."

Previously, family members frequented protests at Narconon Arrowhead calling for the facility to shut down.

"I have reason to believe things are going on now," Richardson said. "I know of a couple of witnesses that have been contacted of recent date that causes me to believe that if it (the investigation) had stalled at one point that something has happened."

more at http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/Narconon_Arrowhead_drug_rehab_facility_is_under_investigation/20130519_11_A17_ULNSha28918
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: cnhender on May 19, 2013, 14:30
My favorite part:
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Narconon Arrowhead CEO Gary Smith said he is aware of no new developments in the investigation.

"I do not have any insight as to why the investigation is still pending," Smith said in an email. "The last activity on the investigation was an interview that was conducted by an OSBI officer at Narconon Arrowhead on March 25. Nothing since that time."
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on May 19, 2013, 14:40
 _/?%
Title: Cowboy Hat Sheriff Whitewashing Narconon Investigation - Wire Service Canada (press release)
Post by: News Thetan on May 24, 2013, 05:00
Cowboy Hat Sheriff Whitewashing Narconon Investigation - Wire Service Canada (press release) (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGQgzFCGDkVGE7e1saI7oTHVwgX0Q&url=http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module%3DNews%26func%3Ddisplay%26sid%3D10422)
23 May 2013, 11:28 pm
By David Edgar Love

Gary Richardson, Oklahoma Attorney representing several plaintiffs against Narconon Arrowhead et al., expressed his frustration this evening over stalled investigations by Sheriff Joe Kerns.

In an email, Richardson states: "As a former State Prosecutor, Investigator for the State of Oklahoma Insurance Department and former US Attorney, I know an investigation when I see one and what they may have claimed to do in Pittsburg County, whatever that is, is far from what I call an investigation."

more at http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=10422
Title: Re: Cowboy Hat Sheriff Whitewashing Narconon Investigation - Wire Service Canada (press release)
Post by: mefree on May 24, 2013, 08:28
Things seem to be heating up in Oklahoma. I don't know if the article is correct, but I had hoped the Pittsburg County Sheriff was conducting a thorough investigation, not a whitewash.

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In a KRMG News report, Sheriff Kern said "he's awaiting toxicology reports on all three cases."

Gary Richardson said "to put it mildly, I was shocked to see Pittsburg County Sheriff Kerns on a Fox 23 special doing an interview on Narconon while an investigation is still supposedly on going. That wasn't, however, quite as shocking as what he said -- I recognize a "whitewash" when I see one."

"If they want to "whitewash" these 3 deaths that's one thing, but the audacity of this Sheriff to go public, especially when I take it that he still contends there is an investigation going on" is frustrating Richardson.

Richardson said he "can name a number of folks they either haven't interviewed that has facts" and "based on his 40 years' experience, the Sheriff's office wasn't looking for evidence to find fault."
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: AnonLover on May 24, 2013, 13:55
Hubbard was just mad that the beatniks probably wanted nothing to do with him - they were cooler than he was and he was jealous. 

Well now, we have to give credit where credit is due. He did try awfully hard to do the beatnik thang:

(http://www.lronhubbard.org/sites/default/files/styles/gcui_inline_large/public/ron-series/profile/profile_artist_01_l-ron-hubbard.jpg)

 :D
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 24, 2013, 19:16
^^^^ oh, yeah!! lol!
__________________

Followup reports from Tony Ortega at The Underground Bunker, right on top of this story,

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Gary Richardson Calls Oklahoma Sheriff’s Investigation a “Whitewash”

Last night, David Love revealed that he received an e-mail from Gary Richardson, the attorney who is handling the wrongful death lawsuits of three patients who died at Scientology’s drug rehab facility in Oklahoma, as well as several other lawsuits against the facility.

In the e-mail, Richardson complained that Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns wasn’t contacting witnesses he knew had information about the deaths. He characterized Kerns’ investigation as a “whitewash.”

We’re putting in calls to Kerns to get his reaction to that this morning, and we’re talking to Richardson for more details on his allegations. We’re hoping to get a story up this afternoon.
http://tonyortega.org/2013/05/24/scientologys-enforcer-has-a-new-book-will-this-be-the-one-were-waiting-for/


UPDATE: from The Underground Bunker

A Sheriff’s Kind Words About Scientology’s Drug Rehab Has Victims’ Attorney Riled
http://tonyortega.org/2013/05/24/a-sheriffs-kind-words-about-scientologys-drug-rehab-has-victims-attorney-riled/
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ethercat on May 25, 2013, 10:54
Perhaps the investigation by the OSBI has morphed into an investigation of Sheriff Kerns...

Well now, we have to give credit where credit is due. He did try awfully hard to do the beatnik thang:

(http://www.lronhubbard.org/sites/default/files/styles/gcui_inline_large/public/ron-series/profile/profile_artist_01_l-ron-hubbard.jpg)



                          :-OP=\

Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: CoolHand on August 21, 2013, 09:36
Well, well, repackaging at its best.  Rather than being a Field Staff Member (which was once called a Community Involvement Specialist at Arrowhead), they're now calling it an Addiction Referral Specialist. 

This just in (bold is mine):


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Have you ever wanted to help another escape the trap of drug and alcohol addiction? Well, now you can, while at the same time earning valuable income. Narconon Arrowhead is proud to announce the new "Narconon Arrowhead Addiction Referral Specialist" Program. Our free basics extension course can show you how in just a couple of nights of evening study. You can be helping to save lives and earning income by the weekend!

When you finish your course, our way of saying thanks for becoming involved will be your own copy of THE TRUTH ABOUT DRUGS, A DOCUMENTARY video. Supplies are limited, so start your course now!

Find out how you can make a real difference in someone's life.

Email: dfa@narcononarrowhead.org or call 918-339-5795 and ask for the Director of Field Activities.


No matter how they phrase it, the underlying purpose of the entire operation and its tentacles is to recruit and make $.  Those who believe they are "saving lives" have just already been recruited and given their money, but haven't woken up to the fact they are now part of the deceptive con.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on August 21, 2013, 16:55
Yep. Nothing has changed, CoolHand.

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When you finish your course, our way of saying thanks for becoming involved will be your own copy of THE TRUTH ABOUT DRUGS, A DOCUMENTARY video. Supplies are limited, so start your course now!

What a lure!  <--:D-->
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: source on August 23, 2013, 14:30
Boy, for so many years, Scientology creates these weird nonsense names for ordinary things...because that's pretty much what cults do.

Now, they are actually going the other way.

Field Staff Member (wtf does that mean to ordinary people) becomes Addiction Referral Specialist.

I guess I can tell my boss that he is actually no longer a "3d terminal in my org" and actually call him my boss.

I guess TR (Training Routines) will soon be called "therapy routines"...

And Courseroom Supervisors will be referred to as "Process Group Counselors".

I'm a little surprised that they've decided to stop talking like the Daleks of Dr. Who.

But, I guess I'm just a little PTS'd and into some over-motivator sequence based upon either bypass charge from failure to duplicate source material at the Org I went to, or just in effect from an MU.

Or, in non-scientology speak, let's just say I'm irritated after being a part of Scientology.

Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on August 24, 2013, 12:40
Boy, for so many years, Scientology creates these weird nonsense names for ordinary things...because that's pretty much what cults do.

Now, they are actually going the other way.

Field Staff Member (wtf does that mean to ordinary people) becomes Addiction Referral Specialist.

I guess I can tell my boss that he is actually no longer a "3d terminal in my org" and actually call him my boss.

I guess TR (Training Routines) will soon be called "therapy routines"...

And Courseroom Supervisors will be referred to as "Process Group Counselors".

I'm a little surprised that they've decided to stop talking like the Daleks of Dr. Who.

But, I guess I'm just a little PTS'd and into some over-motivator sequence based upon either bypass charge from failure to duplicate source material at the Org I went to, or just in effect from an MU.

The secret language of cults - used to secretly communicate, manipulate, control and stop you from thinking.

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6. LOADING THE LANGUAGE -- Thought terminating cliches.

Everything is compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed.

There are "good" terms which represents the groups ideology and "evil" terms to represent everything outside which is to be rejected. Totalist language is intensely divisive, all-encompassing jargon, unmercifully judging. To those outside the group this language is tedious -- the language of non-thought.

This effectively isolates members from outside world. The only people who understand you are other members. Other members can tell if you are really one of them by how you talk.

This narrowness of the language is constricting. The individual is linguistically deprived because language is central to the human experience and his capacities for thinking and feeling are immensely restricted.

While initially this loaded language can give a sense of security to the new believer, an uneasiness develops over time. This uneasiness may result in a withdrawal into the system and he preaches even harder to hide his problem and demonstrate his loyalty. It may also produce an inner division and the individual will publicly give the right performance while privately have his own thoughts.

Either way, his imagination becomes increasingly disassociated from his actual life experiences and may even tend to atrophy from disuse.
http://www.reveal.org/library/psych/totalism.html#EightMarks
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: BigBeard on August 24, 2013, 14:35
From Orwell's 1984:

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To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself – that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink.

and

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The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.

Just substitute $cientology, narCONon, or the Front Group of the Week for "Party" and it becomes very clear what's up.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: AnonLover on September 17, 2013, 20:45
Judge could order Narconon to give documents about possible drug-use among workers
http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/judge-could-order-narconon-give-documents-about-po/nZyP9/

Ruling tomorrow!
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: source on September 17, 2013, 21:41
Should these documents be released and should Narconon actually release them in full, I believe it would be a nightmare for several reasons.

Many people don't realize how common drug use among staff at narconon is, but how rare it is that an employee of Narconon is fired due to drug use.  Just like in scientology, if an employees stats are good they are considered valuable, and a reversion on drugs is no more then a temporary hiccup that can be handled with a couple weeks of TRs and conditions. 

I think most treatment centers would be appalled to know that there exists a drug rehab that doesn't terminate people for drug use, but instead slaps them on the wrist for a couple weeks and puts them right back in charge of teaching clients how to be sober.

Also, what is unique about Narconon is that it is one of the very few private pay drug rehabs that has staff members actually live at or in the drug rehab.  Which means that many drug incidents actually occur on the property of the rehab.  I don't know of any therapists who would say that it was ok to live in your rehab.  There are reasons, but ignored in Narconon.

In addition, I think that if it turned out that a large number of drug incidents among staff is found, it puts into question their whole promoted success rate.  How could one argue against fraud if you promoted a 75% success rate but 50% of your staff graduates reverted on drugs at one time in their career there?

I guess they could say that 75% of students permanently remain abstinent, but less than half of staff does.  That would be an interesting selling point.

A man with a clean heart can't be harmed...

So what's the problem?
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 18, 2013, 19:35
^^^^^ Good comment, source!

Those records will not be released to the public. I believe there already is a protective order in place for all client and employee related records required to be turned over.

These records were part of the original requests. Narconon balked and stalled and hopefully the judge will release them, but we won't see them unless they are highly redacted.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: AnonLover on September 18, 2013, 20:24
Ruling in Narconon Arrowhead lawsuit postponed
http://mcalesternews.com/local/x2112874796/Ruling-in-Narconon-Arrowhead-lawsuit-postponed

LeFlore reports that "The hearing was continued by mutual agreement by both sides"

Bummer.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on September 18, 2013, 20:30
Thanks, AL. I was looking for that earlier. A definite bummer.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: ghostfires on November 09, 2013, 22:02
It's strange the reports I've read about Gabe. I was at NNAH when he passed away. All the reports I've read are completely different than what I deduced had happened while I was there...
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: source on November 09, 2013, 23:38
The unfortunate reality is, like at most narconons, there is always the story the students determine, the story the trainees are told, the stories the staff members know of and try to spin, and the story that eventually comes out in depositions,

For example, when a student starts they believe in 80% success rate.  If they become a trainee they start to figure out its a lot less but are told things like "if you don't use your drug of choice or drink it doesn't count against the stat".  Later you join staff and figure out that the greatest good for the greatest number means it's ok to lie to give people the tech, and that the person who helped you in your program just relapsed a couple months ago and lied about how long they were sober.  And then we get a deposition that says things like "almost all the staff members were drinking and doing drugs"

I'd like to hear about your experiences at arrowhead, and how much of the truth you actually figured out on your own.
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 10, 2013, 09:51
It's strange the reports I've read about Gabe. I was at NNAH when he passed away. All the reports I've read are completely different than what I deduced had happened while I was there...

Can you be more specific?
Title: 2 Narconon Oklahoma Wrongful Death Lawsuits Settle; 1 Going to Trial!
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 28, 2016, 01:21
Narconon Reviews report - update on the Gabriel Graves and Hillary Holten wrongful death lawsuits against Scientology front groups Narconon of Oklahoma (aka Narconon Arrowhead), Narconon International and Association for Better Living and Education

2 Narconon Death Lawsuits Settle; 1 Going to Trial
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/2-narconon-death-lawsuits-settle-1-going-to-trial/

Tony Ortega Underground Bunker mentions the Narconon Reviews article and  our announcement here
http://tonyortega.org/2016/02/27/augustine-how-scientology-makes-it-so-hard-to-get-your-money-back/

A big   :-thanks-:to Gabriel Graves' mom, Shirley Gilliam, and the Narconon attendees and staff who joined here, posted and messagedmyself and others here to provided important information that helped in these lawsuits while also helping us educate the public about Narconon. This information also helped lead to investigations of the facility which are the subject of a wrongful dismissal lawsuit filed by Kimberly Poff,  the former Oklahoma Inspector General for Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services, in her attempts to investigate.

Ms. Poff was recently deposed for all three of death lawsuits, despite Narconon's attempts to circumvent that.
You can read about her wrongful firing lawsuit here
http://narcononreviews.net/lawsuits/poff-v-state-of-oklahoma-department-of-mental-health-and-substance-abuse-services-et-al/  (http://narcononreviews.net/lawsuits/poff-v-state-of-oklahoma-department-of-mental-health-and-substance-abuse-services-et-al/)

The OK situation is not over yet but at least Shirley Gilliam and Matthew Holten and their loved ones can move on after several years of successfully fighting Narconon in the courts. When the Stacy Murphy wrongful death lawsuit soon gets to trial, we will be reporting here as things progress and the sparks fly! 

Stay tuned...
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on March 01, 2016, 07:01
Thanks for the update, Mary.

I hope the Murphy case will make its way to a jury, but certainly understand why anyone would choose to settle. These cases take years to move through the civil courts, taking an emotional toll on families. The fortitude of people like the Desmond family, Shirley Gilliam, Matthew Holten, and the Murphy family is admirable in the face of their grief and the willful and careless betrayal they have endured. 
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 01, 2016, 10:57
Thanks for the update, Mary.

I hope the Murphy case will make its way to a jury, but certainly understand why anyone would choose to settle. These cases take years to move through the civil courts, taking an emotional toll on families. The fortitude of people like the Desmond family, Shirley Gilliam, Matthew Holten, and the Murphy family is admirable in the face of their grief and the willfull and careless betrayal they have endured.

y/w, mefree. I agree. I could not have said it better. Thank you :)
Title: Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths (Was Re: Narconon Deaths)
Post by: mefree on June 22, 2016, 18:13
Nearly four years after Stacy Murphy’s death, Scientology files motion to kill much of lawsuit - Tony Ortega -The Underground Bunker (http://tonyortega.org/2016/06/21/nearly-four-years-after-stacy-murphys-death-scientology-files-motion-to-kill-much-of-lawsuit/)

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It’s been nearly four years since Stacy Dawn Murphy, 20, was found dead at Scientology’s flagship drug rehab center, Narconon Arrowhead, in Oklahoma. Two other patients at the clinic had died in just the previous nine months, but it was Stacy’s death that particularly shocked local and national media, leading to a new focus on the problems at Scientology’s rehabs.

The lawsuits in those other Narconon Arrowhead deaths of 2011 and 2012, of Gabriel Graves and Hillary Holten, have been settled. But the lawsuit filed by the parents of Stacy Murphy — Robert Murphy and Tonya White — not only hasn’t been resolved, now two of the defendants in the case have asked Judge Jim D. Bland to grant them summary judgment.

Narconon International (NI) and the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), the two Scientology umbrella groups which license and oversee Narconon clinics, have submitted a lengthy brief to the court, asking the court to find for them without having to go to trial. They argue that Murphy and White have not been able to prove the assertion in their complaint, that NI and ABLE not only license Narconon centers but also exert enough control over them to have been liable in Stacy Murphy’s death.

more at http://tonyortega.org/2016/06/21/nearly-four-years-after-stacy-murphys-death-scientology-files-motion-to-kill-much-of-lawsuit/

Dox: https://www.scribd.com/doc/316323057/Murphy-v-Narconon-Defendants-NI-and-ABLE-MSJ