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Title: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 24, 2010, 15:18

 Any information would be be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 24, 2010, 16:04

 Any information would be be greatly appreciated.

 Temple #15 reporting in.

http://noitemple15.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/386/

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Sha'Allah 7 Says:   
May 17, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Reply
Minister Farrakhan is teaching scientology now and he’s talking about he’s going to a spaceship to get a new book! And check it out; not only is he going to a spaceship he’s coming back with new organs too and a new body! Okay now let me ask you a question(rhetorical)? Am I the only one who finds this just a slight bit odd? Here is a man who hasn’t been able to launch 1 financailly sucessful program outside of the final call is 33 years but has continuously reaped the benifits of the believers charity. The NOI is pathetic right now but were ready for a new book? The revolution is over before it even starts because all the devil has to do is put us on the un-employment line and well starve to death! You see our problem as a people is that were to dam spooky! certain thing are not that vague, let me put it too you like this. WE DON’T HAVE SHIT! ALL WE HAVE IS THE MILITANT HOLY GHOST AND A HALF WAY DECENT BEAN PIE! Lost Found M
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 24, 2010, 16:46
http://www.thenationofislam.org/themotherplane.html


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SUPREME WISDOM DEPARTMENT

(OUR MOTHER PLANE)

Quote
1.    The Mother Plane is made of the finest steel in Asia.
2.    It was made on the Island of Nippon (Japan) in 1929, and also took flight that
       same year.
3.    Black, Brown, Red and Yellow Scientists built the Mother Plane.
4.    The Scientists did not know what they were building.
5.    Her size is Half-mile by Half-mile square.
6.    Her shape is oval.
7.    Her speed is up to 9,000 miles per hour.
8.    Her flying ability is nine thousand (9,000) miles per hour in any direction, up or
       down, to or fro, in any direction without making a complete directional turn.
9.    Her contents are 1,500 small circular planes, as the devil calls them, "FLYING
       SAUCERS."
10.  These small planes carry three (3) bombs each, they also shoot flames of fire.
11.  The Black men who pilot these small planes have been taught from the age of six
       that they are to do a special job.
12.  These pilots can hit any spot in America, blindfolded, as the Devil will soon see.
13.  The bombs that the small planes contain weigh two tons each.
14.  They are designed to drill into the Earth upon contact, and drill from one (1) to
       six (6) miles through stone and rock, and to explode, destroying civilization or
       any living matter (or life) within a fifty (50) mile radius.
15.  After these bombs explode, a poisonous gas is found to snuff out the remaining
       life, if any still exists.
16.  The purpose of the Mother Plane is to destroy the most wicked place ever to be
       on the planet Earth at any time (America, the Great Mystery Babylon).
17.  Her position is 40 miles out from the Earth's sphere.
18.  She holds this position from 6 to 12 months at a time.  When this time is up, the
       Mother Plane comes into the atmosphere to take in fresh air for our Brothers
       inside, then she retakes her position.
19.  At the dropping of the bombs, the flames will reach twelve (12) miles, in all
       directions.
20.  When the destruction comes, America will burn 390 years and take 610 years to
       cool off.  The Great Mystery Babylon (America) will perish in the flames of fire.
      Allah will even cause the air which we breathe to ignite along with the
      atmosphere.  Every atom will burn in and over America from a height of twelve
      (12) miles down.


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The country of America will be littered with leaflets from the sky, with readings like this; "You have from eight (8) to ten (10) days to return unto your own.  The time of this world is at hand."  The leaflets will be written in both English and Arabic, so God (Allah) taught me.  After the warning from the sky will follow total destruction by the intense heat of fire.

And you such people who love America, where lying, drinking, bambling, raping, lynching, burning, stealing, robbing, disrespect of person and persons, nail painting, face painting, swine eating, public nude resorts, nude colonies, nudie newspapers and magazines, nude church-goers, and profane language, will serve as fuel for the fire.  For I declare by Him Who made the Sun, Moon and Stars and the Habitable Earth for His home.  By Whom everything was Created and HImself not Created, from infinite eternity, All is is His name and He will destroy every Christian from the face of the Earth in the near future.

COMMENT:  Again, the key words "flying roll" appear which is an adequate description for the scout ships (Circular Planes) that are aboard the Mother Ship.  The ignorant will say that the second verse should be taken on face value.  But this is impossible, since the measurements f this "flying roll" is given by the Prophet. . . the length thereof is twenty cubits."  (Note: one (1) cubit is an ancient linear measure of about 18 inches, according to the dictionary).  Since one (1) cubit is 13 inches, twenty (20) cubits equal 360 inches, or thirty (30) feet, which is the length of this "Flying Roll."  ". . . and the breadth thereof is ten (10) cubits;"  ends the second verse.  Ten cubits equal 180 inches (15) feet which is the width of this "flying roll."

Hence, there is Zachariah, Chapter 5:1-2, we are told of a "Flying Roll" which is THIRTY FEET long and FIFTEEN FEET wide.  This is a near perfect description of one of Allah's Circular Planes.


 What is it with cults and PLANES?
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: ethercat on August 24, 2010, 18:34
Scientology and Nation of Islam have been courting for a while now.  I think they're supporting scientology period, not just in Atlanta.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/02/18/Worldandnation/Scientology_awards_re.shtml
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Scientology awards reach out to black community

    Tonight's Ebony Awakening awards honor prominent African-American leaders who are using Scientology methods in their own churches.

By ROBERT FARLEY
Published February 18, 2006

CLEARWATER - This evening's black-tie celebration of Black History month at the Fort Harrison Hotel is a clear signal Scientologists are forging fruitful relationships with persuasive voices in some of the nation's black communities.

Among the four black clergy to be honored at Scientology's annual Ebony Awakening awards ceremony is Minister Louis Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam.

Farrakhan is convalescing after extensive touring for last October's Millions More Movement march, but Western Regional Minister Tony Muhammad will accept on his behalf.

The evening's keynote speaker will be Baptist pastor Alfreddie Johnson, newly elected City Council member in Lynwood, Calif., and executive director of the World Literacy Crusade, a tutoring program that uses the "study technology" of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.

In interviews this week, Muhammad and Johnson said they are comfortable partnering with Scientology. They both disclosed a plan to train members of the Nation of Islam to administer Hubbard's "study tech" and drug treatment methods. The programs will be offered at mosques in the Los Angeles area to start. A similar collaboration is playing out in East Tampa at the Glorious Church of God in Christ. Rev. Charles L. Kennedy has arranged for his congregants to be trained by Scientologists to teach Hubbard's scholastic and drug treatment techniques to residents in the predominantly black neighborhood.

There's more of the article at the link above.  Apparently, they collaborate on narconon projects.

More on Ebony Awakening here: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,84.msg10354.html#msg10354

And it was still a player this year, in the "Clear African Americans Convention," held June 18th through June 20, 2010: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,84.msg12166.html#msg12166

Edit: and http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=18289
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on August 24, 2010, 18:39
This may be helpful for harpoonage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UvGbSvFcK8

Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 24, 2010, 19:27
This may be helpful for harpoonage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UvGbSvFcK8

 Harpoonage???? Have you been watching whale wars again?
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: Lorelei on August 25, 2010, 05:42
Harpooning is a common Internet slang term meaning to send some type of communication to a target expressing displeasure or concern with something the target is doing or contemplating doing.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on August 25, 2010, 08:50
Thanks Lorelei
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 25, 2010, 09:09
Harpooning is a common Internet slang term meaning to send some type of communication to a target expressing displeasure or concern with something the target is doing or contemplating doing.
Old man is OLD!  :P
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: ethercat on October 01, 2010, 21:46
To get back on topic...

The following quote is from a transcript of a speech by Louis Farrakhan (http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/transcript-farrakhan-defends-dianetics-72046/), the audio of which appears to have been taken offline at the moment - if anyone knows where it is please post a link.  There is much much more to the transcript than this at the WWP link above, thanks to "mnql1."

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Now, there have been a number of announcements made previously, and we want to make sure that everyone is on the same page, with respect to Dianetics. And you have heard mention, multiple times, that the goal was to have a thousand auditors by the Day of Atonement. Well, the goal is to have a thousand auditors, period. So, whenever Allah blesses us to get to that number, we thank Allah for blessing us to get to that number. And I'm saying that because a number of believers, you know how we are. When the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan says that he wants somethin', we move hell and high water to make it happen. What we don't want ... What we don't want are believers over-extending themselves, trying to make that goal happen. If that auditor's training affects your job, we don't want you to lose your job, because of this auditor training. Because, once you become an auditor, you still need to eat, and your job helps you eat. And so, we don't want you saying, "I became an auditor, Brother Minister. Is there some place I can stay, because I just got put out of house, because we couldn't pay the rent or the mortgage."

And so, we don't want that. We want to use wisdom, with what it is, everything that we're undertaking. And there are some believers who are travelling, and we are very concerned and very cautious about any believer that has to get on the road, for any particular length of time in one direction. So, for all the believers who have to travel, we're asking that you moderate your course work, so that you're not on the road, every day, for hours and hours, just travelling, because we want to make sure that you stay safe as we undergo this course of study.

So, we want to make sure that nobody is under the belief that you have to be an auditor by October, because, at the Day of Atonement, we do not have any co-auditing scheduled at all. Having said that, it is the goal and desire of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan that every single city in our Nation has co-auditing taking place before the Day of Atonement. And so, for every city that does not even have an auditor in your city, the Executive Council is working towards putting together a schedule and a map, so that the auditors that we do have can travel to your city and conduct co-auditing sessions in your city. So, everyone, inshallah, will have the opportunity, to engage in co-auditing, prior to the Day of Atonement.

In addition, there are a number of cities that have opened up ... additional cities, if I can rattle a few off the top of my head. Chicago has opened up, Saint Louis, Seattle, Detroit, Atlanta, and a few other ones that I can't think of right now. But believers in those cities, laborers or non-laborers, active or inactive believers, can avail themselves of the Dianetics training in those cities, and the student laborers in those cities should be making announcements very soon.

Now, one thing that's very important, and that is: the Qur'an talks about, for every nation, Allah raised a Messenger, to show that nation their way of devotion. And Allah, in the person of Master Fard Muhammad, has shown the Nation of Islam our way of devotion, which includes certain meetings on certain days at certain hours. Now is Monday night FOI class, Wednesday night mosque meeting, Friday night study group, Saturday morning MGT class, Sunday morning mosque meeting. Why is that important? Because, in a lot of believers' zeal, they are foresaking our way of devotion, in an attempt to become an auditor, because of someone else's way of devotion. And so, we should not be found foresaking that which Allah gave us as our own course of study, so as to become an auditor in someone else's program. And so, if you find yourself away from your mosque meetings, with the explanation that you're undergoing course work, you want to readjust your schedule. Because anything that the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan has exposed us to, it's in addition to what it is that we are already participating in, not in place of what it is we are already participating.

I would say YES.  In fact, I wonder if NOI may be responsible for the larger-than-normal number of cars seen parked in the new Winter's Chapel org's parking lot recently.

NOI seems to be under the impression that there is a difference between Dianetics and Scientology.   ::)

They do seem to have some concerns about scientology possibly taking precedence over their own interests; wonder how those will be "handled"?

Of course, some people have their number: scientology what in the hell have white people made up now (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/godkiller/2010/07/12/scientology-what-in-the-hell-have-white-people-made-up-now) 

More: http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=32790&postorder=asc
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: wynot on October 02, 2010, 09:14
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Of course, some people have their number: scientology what in the hell have white people made up now

That one guy really has the cult's number! J-:B Wadda' ya' bet he has been reading the internet-tubes with both eyes open? cU#__

It's interesting to hear this from a new point of view. And it is wonderful to know the true theta is being spread (at least a bit) in a community that has obviously been targeted by the cult as a new revenue source. Personally, I would feel deeply insulted that this cult thought my community was susceptible to their imbecilic and irrational beliefs! |>-)>

'til next time;
wynot
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: ethercat on October 02, 2010, 11:19
Personally, I would feel deeply insulted that this cult thought my community was susceptible to their imbecilic and irrational beliefs! |>-)>

I agree, but I don't think they're to the point of recognizing that yet.   ooo:-O

NOI is not highly respected in most circles; in fact, it is a laughingstock among some people (albeit a dangerous laughingstock).  The same could be said for scientology.  What will be the outcome of this union? 

Will scientology learn NOI's techniques, or will they be too arrogant to believe anyone else has anything to teach them?  Are they purely interested in the "raw meat" (aka  money)?

Will NOI learn anything other than the basic entry level of scientology (err, excuse me, I mean dianetics)?  Will they learn about OSA and their methods, and how to use those methods?  Will members of NOI come to recognize that Farrakhan has become enamored with and susceptible to an organization with a massive structure whose purpose is to "make money, make more money, make others produce so as to make more money"?

And what will happen if and when Farrakhan and the NOI realize they've been scammed by a racist white man's "teachings"? 

Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on October 02, 2010, 12:57
Just another way to route bodies into scientology, IMO.

Let's face it, with so many people leaving scientology, this collaboration (and I use the term loosely here) is badly needed. DM always has an agenda.

Unfortunately, NOI is most likely unaware of the mind control involved and how quickly they can fall under the spell.

I hope they don't get sucked in too far before finding out they are wasting their time and money. 
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: wynot on October 02, 2010, 21:33
... I hope they don't get sucked in too far before finding out they are wasting their time and money.

The type of people who are most likely to gain leadership of anti-social movements like NoI and Scientology (yes, I mean Farrakhan, and the little squirrel) cannot brook sharing power with lesser beings - and all other beings are lesser to them! The idea of those two getting together can't help but make me remember how the pairing up (please forgive me, but I see no way around this, in this context) in 1939 of Hitler and Stalin turned out. Even a half-assed survey of history shows that when dictators pair up, it always ends badly for at least one of them! Such men just cannot help betraying each other.

OTOH, the more I think about it, the more I wonder if NoI might be a good influence on our favorite little cult. They at least have a long history of doing actual good works in their close communities, like encouraging responsibility in the young, helping the sick and elderly, and promoting education for all.

Don't I remember Hubbard disparaging the prophet Mohammed somewhere? I wonder how that would fly with the Nation of Islam? The toad's teachings about Jesus and Christianity ("The man on the cross? There was no Christ", etc.) certainly have not worked to gain the cult much respect from the larger Christian community!

'til next time;
wynot
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: Sarcasm Pirate on October 02, 2010, 21:51
Don't I remember Hubbard disparaging the prophet Mohammed somewhere? I wonder how that would fly with the Nation of Islam? The toad's teachings about Jesus and Christianity ("The man on the cross? There was no Christ", etc.) certainly have not worked to gain the cult much respect from the larger Christian community!


The Nation of Islam is not really that remotely similar in views to traditional Islam.  Traditional Islam teaches that Muhammad is/was the final prophet from God and no one comes after him.  Nation of Islam believes that  Wallace Fard is/was God incarnate and that Ellijah Muhammad is a prophet who spoke of the reincarnation of God basically so they are in generally much less protective of the idea of Muhammad than traditional Islamic sects.  In fact I would hardly think of them as a sect of Islam and more like the 'Children of God' group was to Christianity... A cult like group worshiping a person of relatively recent history with little emphasis towards 'God' in the traditional sense.

Example:  Traditional Islam believes that God created man and the universe much like Christianity and Judaism. Nation of Islam believes the universe was created by black scientists through a 'plan' that repeats every 25,000 years.  They also think these scientists created the bible and the Qur'an.

So in all honesty it really isn't that surprising to me that these crazies have gotten together.  ::)

/more than any one here ever wanted to know about NoI. lol
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on October 02, 2010, 22:06
^^^^
Good info.

It still seems like a "truth is stranger than fiction" occurrence to me. 

One can understand what scientology hopes to gain from it. I don't understand why NOI would get involved with scientology. Apparently Farrakhan believes his followers will gain something from the videotaped auditing.

Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: BT Dedex on October 02, 2010, 23:39
^^^^
Good info.

It still seems like a "truth is stranger than fiction" occurrence to me. 

One can understand what scientology hopes to gain from it. I don't understand why NOI would get involved with scientology. Apparently Farrakhan believes his followers will gain something from the videotaped auditing.

My quick take on this.

Miscavige and company started recruiting Farrakhan around 2006.  "Rev." Al Sharpton in NYC has also been pursued by Scientology for quite some time. Flag in particular has lately been giving seminars specifically for blacks.

The Org in Harlem was started primarily for attracting both NOI and "minorities".

CofS must have dirt on Farrakhan, because he recently advised his followers that it was ok to disclose negative experiences in auditing, but not to do confessions, that confessions (O/Ws) can only be given to God. 

I don't have time right now to dig up the documents, but WWP has numerous threads covering this stuff. mnql1 and Triumph have posted lots of you tube transcripts of Farrakhan discussing Dianetics.

My prediction, this marriage is going to be a slow motion divorce / train wreck for both NOI and CofS.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on October 03, 2010, 00:04
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CofS must have dirt on Farrakhan, because he recently advised his followers that it was ok to disclose negative experiences in auditing, but not to do confessions, that confessions (O/Ws) can only be given to God.

Well, I guess that would explain it.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: ethercat on October 04, 2010, 21:23
I can't help but wonder if the cult's interest in the black community may be due to these statistics: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/information_communications/internet_publishing_and_broadcasting_and_internet_usage.html (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/information_communications/internet_publishing_and_broadcasting_and_internet_usage.html), specifically this: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s1118.pdf

It shows that as of October 2007, 75.2% of whites used the internet, whereas only 59.0% of blacks and 54.8% of hispanics used the internet.  People who are less likely to use the internet, or have friends who do, are less likely to have run across information negative to Scientology.

CofS must have dirt on Farrakhan, because he recently advised his followers that it was ok to disclose negative experiences in auditing, but not to do confessions, that confessions (O/Ws) can only be given to God.

Either they have dirt on him, or he has some he doesn't want them to get...

Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: ethercat on October 07, 2010, 19:47
The following quote is from a transcript of a speech by Louis Farrakhan (http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-discussion/transcript-farrakhan-defends-dianetics-72046/), the audio of which appears to have been taken offline at the moment - if anyone knows where it is please post a link.

Found the audio, here: http://rutube.ru/tracks/3640898.html?v=dbbce7feadb818792e3c050529a78815

(I doubt Russia's likely to take this offline due to cult complaints.   ;) )
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on October 17, 2010, 22:58
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It shows that as of October 2007, 75.2% of whites used the internet, whereas only 59.0% of blacks and 54.8% of hispanics used the internet.  People who are less likely to use the internet, or have friends who do, are less likely to have run across information negative to Scientology.

This is pertinent to the situation in Atlanta.  M-|V|-M
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 19, 2010, 09:31
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It shows that as of October 2007, 75.2% of whites used the internet, whereas only 59.0% of blacks and 54.8% of hispanics used the internet.  People who are less likely to use the internet, or have friends who do, are less likely to have run across information negative to Scientology.

This is pertinent to the situation in Atlanta.  M-|V|-M
NOI and sci. Strange bedfellows indeed.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: sekh on February 16, 2011, 08:57
http://www.thenationofislam.org/themotherplane.html


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SUPREME WISDOM DEPARTMENT

(OUR MOTHER PLANE)

Quote
1.    The Mother Plane is made of the finest steel in Asia.
2.    It was made on the Island of Nippon (Japan) in 1929, and also took flight that
       same year.
3.    Black, Brown, Red and Yellow Scientists built the Mother Plane.
4.    The Scientists did not know what they were building.
5.    Her size is Half-mile by Half-mile square.
6.    Her shape is oval.
7.    Her speed is up to 9,000 miles per hour.
8.    Her flying ability is nine thousand (9,000) miles per hour in any direction, up or
       down, to or fro, in any direction without making a complete directional turn.
9.    Her contents are 1,500 small circular planes, as the devil calls them, "FLYING
       SAUCERS."
10.  These small planes carry three (3) bombs each, they also shoot flames of fire.
11.  The Black men who pilot these small planes have been taught from the age of six
       that they are to do a special job.
12.  These pilots can hit any spot in America, blindfolded, as the Devil will soon see.
13.  The bombs that the small planes contain weigh two tons each.
14.  They are designed to drill into the Earth upon contact, and drill from one (1) to
       six (6) miles through stone and rock, and to explode, destroying civilization or
       any living matter (or life) within a fifty (50) mile radius.
15.  After these bombs explode, a poisonous gas is found to snuff out the remaining
       life, if any still exists.
16.  The purpose of the Mother Plane is to destroy the most wicked place ever to be
       on the planet Earth at any time (America, the Great Mystery Babylon).
17.  Her position is 40 miles out from the Earth's sphere.
18.  She holds this position from 6 to 12 months at a time.  When this time is up, the
       Mother Plane comes into the atmosphere to take in fresh air for our Brothers
       inside, then she retakes her position.
19.  At the dropping of the bombs, the flames will reach twelve (12) miles, in all
       directions.
20.  When the destruction comes, America will burn 390 years and take 610 years to
       cool off.  The Great Mystery Babylon (America) will perish in the flames of fire.
      Allah will even cause the air which we breathe to ignite along with the
      atmosphere.  Every atom will burn in and over America from a height of twelve
      (12) miles down.


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The country of America will be littered with leaflets from the sky, with readings like this; "You have from eight (8) to ten (10) days to return unto your own.  The time of this world is at hand."  The leaflets will be written in both English and Arabic, so God (Allah) taught me.  After the warning from the sky will follow total destruction by the intense heat of fire.

And you such people who love America, where lying, drinking, bambling, raping, lynching, burning, stealing, robbing, disrespect of person and persons, nail painting, face painting, swine eating, public nude resorts, nude colonies, nudie newspapers and magazines, nude church-goers, and profane language, will serve as fuel for the fire.  For I declare by Him Who made the Sun, Moon and Stars and the Habitable Earth for His home.  By Whom everything was Created and HImself not Created, from infinite eternity, All is is His name and He will destroy every Christian from the face of the Earth in the near future.

COMMENT:  Again, the key words "flying roll" appear which is an adequate description for the scout ships (Circular Planes) that are aboard the Mother Ship.  The ignorant will say that the second verse should be taken on face value.  But this is impossible, since the measurements f this "flying roll" is given by the Prophet. . . the length thereof is twenty cubits."  (Note: one (1) cubit is an ancient linear measure of about 18 inches, according to the dictionary).  Since one (1) cubit is 13 inches, twenty (20) cubits equal 360 inches, or thirty (30) feet, which is the length of this "Flying Roll."  ". . . and the breadth thereof is ten (10) cubits;"  ends the second verse.  Ten cubits equal 180 inches (15) feet which is the width of this "flying roll."

Hence, there is Zachariah, Chapter 5:1-2, we are told of a "Flying Roll" which is THIRTY FEET long and FIFTEEN FEET wide.  This is a near perfect description of one of Allah's Circular Planes.


 What is it with cults and PLANES?

This guy Farrakhan is even more crazy than LRH. Ron wanted to sell stories and, if possible,make a lot of money by starting a religion. Farrakhan really seems to believe this crap.  :___ufo___: Beam me up, Scotty!  ROFL
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: ethercat on February 16, 2011, 18:59
Worse than all the crazy things are the hateful ideas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_islam
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The Nation of Islam continues to teach its followers that the present world society is segmented into three distinct categories. They teach that from a general perspective, 85% of the population are the "deaf, dumb and blind" masses of the people who "are easily led in the wrong direction and hard to lead in the right direction". These 85% of the masses who are said to be manipulated by 10% of the people. Those 10% rich "slave-makers" are said to manipulate the 85% masses of the people through ignorance, the skillful use of religious doctrine and the mass media.

The third group is referred to as the 5% "poor righteous teachers" of the people of the world, who know the truth of the manipulation of the 85% masses of the people by the 10%. The 5% "righteous teachers" are at constant struggle and war with 10% to reach and "free the minds" of the masses of the people.

Maybe to gain the "deaf, dumb and blind" masses of the people who "are easily led in the wrong direction and hard to lead in the right direction" as their own followers?  Sounds a bit like Hubbard's theory of SPs (suppressive persons), especially with the percentages all worked out. 

Or the arrogance, also somewhat similar to Scientology:
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The NOI states that they believe in the Qur'an and the writings of all the prophets of God. The NOI believes there are truths in the Bible but it is tampered material and "must be reinterpreted so that mankind will not be snared by the falsehoods that have been added to it."

Because, of course, they know what's best for everyone else, whether they like it or not.

Front groups?
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The NOI has a do-for-self philosophy that resulted in the NOI owning and operating hundreds of businesses nationwide, employing thousands of people. The NOI has purchased and now operates food-industry services, bakeries, and restaurants. It owns a large amount of farmland in Georgia. It owns and operates hair-care shops. Some of these business ventures have been success stories. Others have been criticized as Amway-style marketing schemes that have not benefited most of their employees.

To be fair, they have done some good in the world, too, at least according to James Baldwin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baldwin_%28writer%29), although there is nothing offered up as a reference for this statement (hmmm...):
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The NOI has worked to clean up drug addicts, reform prostitutes, and keep black youth out of gangs. It has helped some newly released ex-convicts make a new start and stay out of jail.

Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on February 16, 2011, 20:57
An interesting perspective from someone reconsidering NOI in light of recent developments. 

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Ta-Nehisi Coates is a senior editor for The Atlantic, where he writes about culture, politics, and social issues for TheAtlantic.com and the magazine. He is the author of the memoir The Beautiful Struggle.


Society is a Joint Stock Company
by Ta-Nehisi Coates

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I want to heartily recommend Lawrence Wright's piece on Paul Haggis and Scientology. I've been working on a piece that's required some rethinking of the Nation of Islam, so it was interesting to be doing that thinking, and reading this piece at the same time.

What's interesting to me about Wright's piece (and with the Nation) is how a group that brooks no real dissent, and is deeply conspiratorial about the outside world, careens right into violence. That violence is then rationalized or utterly ignored. I was tempted to write this off to the sociology of cults. But thinking on this more, I'm not quite convinced that cults work entirely differently than the rest of society. Surely since the formation of the DEA, an incredible amount of violence has followed that is rationalized or utterly ignored.

more at http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/02/society-is-a-joint-stock-company/71237/
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on June 08, 2011, 19:25
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Hatewatch is managed by the staff of the Intelligence Report, an investigative magazine published by the Alabama-based civil rights group Southern Poverty Law Center.

Black Supremacist Nation of Islam Pushes White Dominated Scientology|Hatewatch|Southern Poverty Law Center
By Leah Nelson on June 7, 2011

Two of America’s better known UFO-friendly religions, Scientology and the black nationalist Nation of Islam (NOI), now have more in common than unusual theologies involving intergalactic spaceships. For about a year, NOI leader Louis Farrakhan has been telling his followers to embrace Scientology in order to move closer to perfection in preparation for the end times.

According to a May 31 article in Final Call, NOI’s newspaper, nearly 700 NOI members have become Certified Hubbard Dianetics Auditors, and more will soon be trained in Church of Scientology (COS) techniques “to prepare better servants and saviours of the people by helping to clear up their minds and lives.” COS “auditors” supposedly help people ascend to higher levels of consciousness.

Although both the Nation of Islam and Scientology embrace extraterrestrial theories as well as self-improvement programs aimed at lifting members to higher and higher levels, they nevertheless make for extremely surprising partners. NOI is a racist hate group that holds that white people are intrinsically, biologically evil — “blue-eyed devils,” in the group’s parlance. Scientology’s followers, who include several well-known celebrities and other wealthy people, are overwhelmingly white (although membership is open to all) and its founder reportedly was a racist who long defended South African apartheid.

Always apocalyptic in his outlook, NOI’s Farrakhan has recently ramped up his warnings that the end is near, identifying recent natural disasters, the uprisings of the “Arab Spring,” and America’s actions against authoritarian Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, a long-time NOI ally, as evidence. In a March press conference, he predicted that the world as we know it would soon be destroyed.

Chip Berlet, senior analyst at Political Research Associates and an expert in millenarianism and the radical right, told Hatewatch that Farrakhan may be embracing Scientology because, nearing 80, he has a limited time left to prepare his followers for their journey to the “Mother Wheel,” and is desperate to see them ready before he dies. In NOI theology, the Mother Wheel is an artificial planet, or huge spaceship, where the saved will live while smaller, divinely guided spaceships destroy everything left on Earth — typically described as including all white people, although NOI has sometimes suggested that a few whites might be saved.

more at http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/06/07/black-supremacist-nation-of-islam-embraces-white-dominated-scientology/#more-6766
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on June 26, 2011, 23:45
The above is an interesting read. Glad the NOI connection to scientology is being discussed by such a prestigious publication.
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on July 10, 2011, 10:07
Video: Islamtology ~ Slice of the Devil's Pie

http://nuedutainment.webs.com/apps/videos/videos/show/14157173-islamtology-slice-of-the-devil-s-pie-dvd-8207
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: mefree on July 14, 2011, 19:13
Final call responds to SPLC.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_8007.shtml
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: SocialTransparency on July 14, 2011, 22:53
Final call responds to SPLC.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_8007.shtml
Final call has a comment section. \--O--/ Dare I say a comment was in order? Why yes!
Title: Re: Nation of Islam supporting Scientology in Atlanta?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 22, 2011, 20:16
Final call responds to SPLC.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/article_8007.shtml
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