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Caution: Scientologists ahead
« on: January 10, 2010, 18:43 »
Dealing with scientologists is like dealing with mentally ill people.

The different levels of scientology are designed to dismantle a person mentally, and reconstuct them in a way that will be conducive to furthering the aims of L. Ron Hubbard (scientology).  This is not unique to scientology - all cults operate in a similar fashion - but scientology has been said to be one of the most difficult cult experiences to get over once the practices are given up.

From the beginning, with the first simple courses, one is being taught not to think, not to question.  This trains a person to follow orders without question.  The next courses give the orders to be followed, but in subtle ways so they are not seen as orders, but as steps toward an improved self.  With the hypnotic TRs, the scientology way to act and think becomes more ingrained, and more so with each additional course taken, until the person no longer resembles who they were originally. 

Emotion is removed, as well as the positive attributes that go along with emotion - empathy, kindness, sorrow, love, compassion are all seen as weaknesses to be overcome.  They are taught to "eliminate their reactive mind," in other words, their emotions that make them human.  The "Auditor's Code," a set of directives for the "counselors" of scientology, even prohibits auditors from feeling sympathy for the negative experiences that the counseled person dredges up during a session.

The ego of the group, which is that of L. Ron Hubbard, replaces that of the individual.  The most important thing becomes the survival of the group - it becomes more important than even the individual's own life.  The further along "the Bridge" one goes, the worse they seem to get about robotic responses to perceived threats.  Part of that may be due to their financial investment into scientology, but certainly the majority of it is that Hubbard designed it that way to be so he could keep the control over people that kept (and keeps) the money coming in.

Hubbard was a nasty piece of work.  He tormented others with his self-centered, narcissistic personality, his conviction that he had all the answers, and at the same time, was himself tormented by paranoia, and the fear that someone was always out to get him.  Had he not been charismatic, he would have been dismissed as someone who had severe "issues,"  or been committed to a mental institution, but his charisma and desire for control (and money) allowed him to gain followers, and he wrote quite a bit of instruction for those followers to become every bit as much the tormentor and the tormented as he was.

Many ex-members have described the negative consequences of being interrogated, of being torn down, being "reverse processed" or of having "black dianetics" used on them, and of having "psychotic breaks."  Here is one such article: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4921709-when-scientology-fails but others can be found with the search terms "scientology and psychotic" or any of the terms in the previous sentence.

Repressing one's emotions, denying one's feelings, is not mentally (or physically) healthy.  Eventually they will come out.  The treatment people receive in scientology - constantly being forced to produce, to give money, to increase their "stats," being sent to the "ethics officer" or put in "conditions" they must work their way out of for the slightest of infractions, essentially being pushed into a state of anger - in combination with being taught that according to scientology principles that they are supposed to eliminate their reactive mind (their emotions), produces an induced form of mental illness, and sometimes psychosis.

In my opinion, this is why so many scientologists, when challenged, respond in a way that appears psychotic and potentially violent to those who are not scientologists.  They are victims of imposed mental illness, and should be treated with just as much caution as anyone you might see acting erratically or dangerously.  They are dangerous.  You don't know when they might snap.

They should also be treated with compassion, because even though they may think they are better than you or any "wog," they are human too.
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Re: Caution: Scientologists ahead
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2010, 12:04 »
I have been meaning to reply to this for some time and ran across something that reminded me about it.

Different cults have very similar methods of indoctrination and in many cases the effects, once ingrained may be irreversible.

In this testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Clark suggests that a large percentage of individuals that are vulnerable to cult recruitment have an existing mental illness and are looking for solutions in a new reality. Others however, are too frequently young people going through the pains of growing up and becoming young adults.

The Effects of Religious Cults on the Health and Welfare of Their Converts Congressional Record, in the United States House of Representatives
John Gordon Clark, M.D. and Congressman Leo J. Ryan
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Effects_of_Religious_Cults_on_the_Health_and_Welfare_of_Their_Converts


In his final paragraph, Dr. Clark states:

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Specific and important problems such as suicide, depression, psychotic reactions and psychosomatic disorders are most serious and deserve another discussion and much more study. It is also clear that the multiple, serious and often bizarre problems of physical illness need careful and official attention. Both the mental health and physical health problems presented by the activities of the cults should be investigated in much greater detail by official agencies. I believe that they merit active interest of such constitutive authorities as this legislative body who I trust can see some of the greater implications of all that has been discussed and will be further revealed in these hearings.

Where are the investigations?
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Re: Caution: Scientologists ahead
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 20:49 »
What an interesting read, Free.  Thanks for posting the link. 

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Leo_Ryan
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Leo Joseph Ryan (1925–1978)    
United States Representative from the 11th Congressional District of California. Murdered at Jonestown, Guyana on November 18, 1978 by members of Peoples Temple. First member of United States Congress to die in the line of duty. Received the Congressional Gold Medal posthumously in 1983.


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Statement_on_Signing_the_Bill_Authorizing_a_Congressional_Gold_Medal_Honoring_the_Late_Representative_Leo_J._Ryan
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Statement on Signing the Bill Authorizing a Congressional Gold Medal Honoring the Late Representative Leo J. Ryan

November 18, 1983: I am pleased today to affix my signature to the bill H.R. 3348, honoring the late Congressman Leo J. Ryan by authorizing a special Congressional Gold Medal of appropriate design to be struck and presented to his family.

Today marks the fifth anniversary of the day Leo Ryan was tragically struck down by an assassin's bullet on a faraway airport runway in Guyana. As his colleagues have noted in their tribute to him, it was typical of Leo Ryan's concern for his constituents that he would investigate personally the rumors of mistreatment in Jonestown that reportedly affected so many from his district.

Leo Ryan is the 88th recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and only the 4th Member of Congress to receive this high honor from his colleagues.

President Ronald Reagan


http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1976_Congressman_Leo_Ryan_letter_to_Ida_Camburn
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Congress of the United States
House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515
December 10, 1976

Dear Ida Camburn,

Thank you for your very detailed letter regarding
Scientology. We haven't yet found a way to attack
these jackals who feed on children and young adults
who are too emotionally weak to stand by themselves
when they reach the age of consent.

It's too bad there isn't a 20th Century Charles
Dickens to write about the terrible destruction of
these 20th Century fagins who make themselves rich
while they destroy the psyche of so many.

At the present time, I can only encourage you
to do more of what you have been doing.

Sincerely yours
[signature]
Leo J. Ryan
Member of Congress

LJR:CEC
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Re: Caution: Scientologists ahead
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 11:02 »
This article is excellent and really explains what happened to Rex Fowler. I wonder if the Denver police are investigating the cult's practice of brainwashing & mind control and that $cientology really kills! The fact that Co$ kills the human spirit and can drive its members to murder & suicide. Its like its a suicide cult very similar to Jonestown but more slowly.
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Re: Caution: Scientologists ahead
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2010, 10:19 »
This article is excellent and really explains what happened to Rex Fowler. I wonder if the Denver police are investigating the cult's practice of brainwashing & mind control and that $cientology really kills! The fact that Co$ kills the human spirit and can drive its members to murder & suicide. Its like its a suicide cult very similar to Jonestown but more slowly.
Rockyj. In a perfect world, the Adams County Colorado police department would dive head first into this whole sad affair. Thing is, we do now know the depth and man power the police have there. We all type about what should be done. What I wonder is, has anyone from the anon camp contacted the Adams County police, with an offer to pass along any information that may shed light on the issue.

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Re: Caution: Scientologists ahead
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 21:27 »
I found an old series of posts on OCMB that asks the question, "Do training routines teach Scientologist the reactions of a psychopath?"

There is some interesting discussion in the thread there, which is relevant to this discussion here.

Catarina writes:
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While those who train to become auditors do especially much TRs drilling, all scientologists do some. It's not a course you do only once, but it's done repeatedly in different situations (including on staff administrative training). And a basic idea of the TRs is to not let yourself get thrown off your intended course of action, regardless of what another person says or does. You practice things like keeping a straight face and not even feel uncomfortable when another person screams at you, waves his hands around your face, throws himself to the ground, makes sexual invitations, asks you to pleadingly to stop, etc etc. On the more advanced TRs training (Upper Indoctrination course) you also practice to physically steer and control another person, even if they physically resist."

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