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Offline ethercat

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Why is Scientology so robotic?
« on: July 18, 2010, 21:49 »
Many of the "Church" of Scientology's responses seem robotic, as do the reactions of scientologists.  Take, for ONE example, the "dead agenting" of Anderson Cooper.  They have done this same thing many times before (most recent being with the St. Petersburg Times, the BBC's Panorama story, before that with Time Magazine), with similar results - it makes them look bad and creates a media stir, which further publicizes the action.  One would think they would learn from experience.

Could it be that they're so robotic because they're being instructed by computer programs, or is it just because they follow the instructions Hubbard left behind, with no anticipation of the world to come after his death?

THE INCOMM NETWORK
HCO Policy Letter of 23 November 1985
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Computer Series 6

INCOMM
INCOMM is the International Network of Computer Organized Management.

PURPOSE AND PRODUCT
INCOMM's purpose is to establish and operate a major international management computer system which enforces the standard application of Scientology Policy and Technology and, as a result, brings about rapid planetary expansion.
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IINCOMM researches, develops, tests and implements operating programs for the international management computer system.  All such computer programs must be based solidly on the principles of organization, operation and management found in HCOPLs, LRH EDs and other written and taped source materials on these subjects.
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POLICY
The design and structure of all INCOMM computer programs and systems are based on the third dynamic tech of Scientology as contained in the OEC Volumes and other source works.

I guess these computer systems are as close to being imbued with Hubbard's brain as possible.

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INCOMM computers are programmed under the direct supervision of and monitored closely by senior management.  And these programs are designed to be able to originate orders and also take steps to get them complied with.  (For example, if an INCOMM computer program detects that compliance to a target assigned to a particular staff member is overdue, the computer program can nudge the target, issue an ethics chit for non-compliance per HCO PL 1 May 645, STAFF MEMBER REPORTS, and, if compliance is still not received, order further ethics action per policy.)  In originating or following up on such orders, the computer is actually executing what its programmers have set it up to do, per OEC policy.  Orders and other communications issued by an INCOMM computer program are therefore valid and stem from the authority of senior management, authorized by AVC and governed by existing policy on compliance.

So are the computers issuing the kooky orders that result in such footbullets?

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BACKGROUND
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But I'll let you in on a little known fact.  On the track, real computers (not Earth's current home or business entertainment toys) have successfully administered whole planets.  They actually were able to do work.  They were not merely consoles and recorders that a person punched data into so that they would spit the data back at him.
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L. RON HUBBARD FOUNDER
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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 03:39 »
First I've heard of a Scientology computer brain. Last I knew, they were still bemoaning the demise of the telegram.
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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2010, 19:08 »
First I've heard of a Scientology computer brain. Last I knew, they were still bemoaning the demise of the telegram.

Well, I don't know if the computer system actually issues orders and all the things Hubbard dreamed it would do, but plenty has been written about INCOMM.  Here are a few links with brief and partial quotes:

Scientology's system "hacker proof" (by RVY)
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INCOMM was created to be the computer data base for Scientology. Foster Thompkins was put in charge of the setup. It was to serve as a repository for all LRH writings so they could be word searched. (That was "SIR" or Source Information Retrieval). Routing forms were to go into the computer base. Time machine programs were to run the programs, automatically ordering the person to do the step. And there was email. (Financial recods and other were to be added later, he said.)

But what Foster was especially proud of when INCOMM was being established in early 1982 was the security to make it imposible for unauthorized access.

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There are 2 parts to Incomm. Int Cleared and non Int Cleared. Int = International. That meas the non Int Cleared did not have access to many areas of the organization. Incomm is located at the Cedars Complex in LA. It is the big blue building that was the hospital.

Incomm is on the ground floor and consists of the 2 wings. No windows and lots of cameras monitoring the workers inside everywhere. The front doors/windows are glass and bullet proof and the type that can't be pryed off the hinges. They must of learned that after the FBI raid there many years ago. There is also an Incomm up at Int or Gold in Hemut, CA. You know it is funny that more non Scientologists knew where Int/Gold was than Scientoloists did. Mostly the non int cleared staff processed the routing forms from all over the world that parishoners would fill out at the Orgs. They would scan them in and then review each scan and clean it up in the word recognition database. Then that info went to the other side of the wall (the int side). Problem was no one was managing the data or comments on the routing forms as the same problems would continue week after week. It was also discovered that the routing forms could be typed in faster than scanning them and editing. When I was there the "Back Data Files Project" was formed. That was to sort through the 40 million pieces of paper (Kr's, stats, info the evaluators needed) that were stored at the warehouse downtown and scan it into the system. Then people known as indexers were to index each scanned image for important details.

That info is used by the Data Evaluators to find out why stats go up or down in an area and also to do comm eves with. There were many comm eves waiting as the info was at the warehouse in the 40 million pieces of paper. Therefore comm evs could not be completed with out the data or it had to manually searched through. I left before this project finished. It was a monumental task. After the paper was scanned and the film developed and verified that it was legible the paper was taken to a paper recycling company and dumped into a big vat of liquid and done away with.

What Really Happened at Scientology's secret INCOMM facility
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On St. Valentine's Day, February, 1995, a very strange thing happened in LA. All the personnel of INCOMM, along with a number of others who had dealings with INCOMM, disappeared behind the org's perpetually locked doors in the "Big Blue" complex. They no longer appeared at meals in their private dining room, even those who had non-INCOMM spouses they normally dined with. In fact, they never even came home any more. Late at night and early in the morning, they could sometimes be seen parading single file, under the eagle eyes of imported security guards, from the INCOMM offices to a locked stairwell that leads to the INCOMM berthing wing on the fourth floor of the Main Building (the Y-shaped building that fronts on Fountain Avenue). Apart from that, for four months these people were rarely seen by others. They never went anywhere unescorted by security guards (even RPFers can be escorted by other RPFers), and seldom went anywhere, period. They never saw their spouses or children unless it was by a chance encounter while being herded to or from their special berthing or, occasionally, taken elsewhere on some special task.

What the hell was going on? This was unprecedented, even in an environment where paranoia is de rigueur. Other Sea Org members who asked about it were told, "You are not to even *think* about it. Don't wonder, don't speculate. Do not try to find out. Do not talk about it with others. It is none of your business." Once in a while, before the four months were up, someone would re-enter normal Sea Org society from "inside," but they were silent as monks about what had happened. Finally, toward the end, the INCOMM prison started emptying out rapidly. People went back to post, except for half a dozen or so who turned up on the RPF and a few who were dismissed from the Sea Org.

However, none of them said a word, and to this day practically nobody knows what happened. When they were released, the prisoners were ordered not to tell anyone, even those with high security clearances, anything about what had occurred or what was done to them. The truth is, most of the incarcerated never really found out themselves *why* they had spent several months under house arrest and perpetual guard.

This part of the story answers the question, "Why did it happen?"
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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2010, 15:13 »
Back in the early '90s I bought a financial program sold from INCOMM because it was being promoted as the state of the art for using LRH financial planning in daily life.

Now, I'd been used to working with computers and commercial financial software so I was pretty shocked at how lame and archaic the program was. It made me think that INCOMM had to be about 3 decades behind the rest of the computer world. That is probably still the case, lol

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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2010, 03:58 »
Not sure if it's ok to post a download link for this, so I won't unless a mod says its ok.



The Computerized Financial Planning System (WISE, 1992).pdf

This booklet accompanied a 1992 WISE software disk that ran on DOS and did financial system accounting for scientologists.

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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2010, 06:55 »
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Not sure if it's ok to post a download link for this, so I won't unless a mod says its ok.

I am guessing you obtained the original documents legitimately, i.e., bought it with the software, or given it by the folks who did purchase it. The trouble is that software is almost always 'sold' by license; it isn't really your property. I'm not certain, but I would guess the manuals come under the same license.

OTOH, eighteen year old software (which was, from all accounts, not much to start with) might be considered orphanware; but I bet the assholes have made sure their copyrights are current! :P

Darn. I would have loved to see it.

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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2010, 09:07 »
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Not sure if it's ok to post a download link for this, so I won't unless a mod says its ok.

I am guessing you obtained the original documents legitimately, i.e., bought it with the software, or given it by the folks who did purchase it. The trouble is that software is almost always 'sold' by license; it isn't really your property. I'm not certain, but I would guess the manuals come under the same license.

OTOH, eighteen year old software (which was, from all accounts, not much to start with) might be considered orphanware; but I bet the assholes have made sure their copyrights are current! :P

Darn. I would have loved to see it.

'til next time;
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I DO NOT want to get Admins or this forum in trouble by posting scientology crap if it's not deemed ok to do so.

Waiting for admin clarification.

Otherwise, PM me with a disposable e-mail address, and I'll give you a download link via e-mail, totally separate from and unrelated to this forum.

The document is mind-boggling stupid (what did you expect from scientology / WISE IT admins)

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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2010, 10:22 »
 OP has a good question. Robotic. Could be it is easier for the member to have an ideology do all its heavy lifting( Thinking) for for individual. Kind of a (Ignorance is bliss) angle?

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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2010, 11:48 »
I DO NOT want to get Admins or this forum in trouble by posting scientology crap if it's not deemed ok to do so.

Waiting for admin clarification.

Thanks for your concern, and for asking for clarification.  Posting a link is fine.  I don't think they've outlawed links.
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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2010, 08:21 »
I DO NOT want to get Admins or this forum in trouble by posting scientology crap if it's not deemed ok to do so.

Waiting for admin clarification.

Thanks for your concern, and for asking for clarification.  Posting a link is fine.  I don't think they've outlawed links.
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Waiting for admin clarification.

Otherwise, PM me with a disposable e-mail address, and I'll give you a download link via e-mail, totally separate from and unrelated to this forum.

The document is mind-boggling stupid (what did you expect from scientology / WISE IT admins)

That reads like clarification from Alias. I guess I can wait for you to post a link!

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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 10:14 »
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TUOKT7WM

Double-sided scan from a booklet that had its staples temporarily removed. This leads to pages facing left and right, alternately, but also you have to watch for page#s. This is not a simple-to-read-electronically booklet. It's a print-this-double-sided and fold-in-half-then-read-it kinda e-book.

As far as I know, this hasn't been leaked anywhere else publicly, except perhaps ESMB, which frowns on this sort of thing.

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Re: Why is Scientology so robotic?
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 18:21 »
Oooh!  An exclusive!  Thank you, BT.
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