Author Topic: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al  (Read 226699 times)

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I realize I'm as guilty as anyone else of going off topic in this thread, but let's try to put the non-Patrick-related speculation and digging in another thread, in case any of the Desmond family or legal team is watching this one, ok? 

It doesn't cost any extra to start a new Narconon of Georgia thread.    :OV--*
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Pg's 13-18 of Mary Reisers first deposition.  She is lying.  She didnt come to Chilocco to do on-site training.  She audited staff. No one ever sent her students to work with.  EVER.  She was there soley to audit staff.  She audited like 10-15 staff there.

The "seminars" Kent gave to get the certifications were him telling the staff the answers to the test and then administering the test knowing the staff had answer keys.  All for the "greater good".  Kent was later selling CADC certs to Narconon's with no testing done or hours.  PITA group he calls it.  What a joke.

NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....
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The "seminars" Kent gave to get the certifications were him telling the staff the answers to the test and then administering the test knowing the staff had answer keys.  I saw him do this.  Only two or three staff had the necessary, verifiable hours on the different aspects of their required hours.  I was one of them.  The cert meant nothing to me after I saw how the cheating was done and I brought it to my seniors attention and nothing happened as a result.  All for the "greater good".  Kent was later selling CADC certs to Narconon's with no testing done or hours.  PITA group he calls it.  What a joke.

This backs up some research done on certifications. The belief was that Narconon runs a diploma mill, of sorts, through PITA.

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He was a representative for the NAFC and NBAE at the time and that was who certified NN staff. 

He started the Pita group some time after.  Forgot he certified staff as "Diplomate-Board of Addiction Examiers" as well.  He just charged a fee to the center and sent them in the mail. 
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Pg's 13-18 of Mary Reisers first deposition.  She is lying.  She didnt come to Chilocco to do on-site training.  She audited staff.  She never worked with students as I was a (post left out on purpose) there during that time as well as a (Post left out on purpose).  No one ever sent her students to work with.  EVER.  She was there soley to audit staff.  She audited like 10-15 staff there, me included.

The "seminars" Kent gave to get the certifications were him telling the staff the answers to the test and then administering the test knowing the staff had answer keys.  I saw him do this.  Only two or three staff had the necessary, verifiable hours on the different aspects of their required hours.  I was one of them.  The cert meant nothing to me after I saw how the cheating was done and I brought it to my seniors attention and nothing happened as a result.  All for the "greater good".  Kent was later selling CADC certs to Narconon's with no testing done or hours.  PITA group he calls it.  What a joke.

NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired at many different centers that I worked at. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....


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I have been following this case for some time as a guest.  First, my sympathys to the family. Such a tragedy to lose a son so young. I also have dealt with that in my own family, having to make the decision to take a family member off life support. I was disgusted to find out that the scientology organization was involved in this.  But, I honestly, have tried to review this case as if I were a juror. (since the family had requested a jury, based on evidence)  I havent read all the testimonies, line for line, but have read most. I still have many questions for both sides, but will refrain from making any statements.(there is such animosity on this thread, that I fear anything I said would be ripped to shreds) I wish the family and this community good luck and God speed. I hope you win. Dont let hatred blind you to the obvious. If you want my thoughts, you know where to reach me. Holding my breath now.........

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I have been following this case for some time as a guest.  First, my sympathys to the family. Such a tragedy to lose a son so young. I also have dealt with that in my own family, having to make the decision to take a family member off life support. I was disgusted to find out that the scientology organization was involved in this.  But, I honestly, have tried to review this case as if I were a juror. (since the family had requested a jury, based on evidence)  I havent read all the testimonies, line for line, but have read most. I still have many questions for both sides, but will refrain from making any statements.(there is such animosity on this thread, that I fear anything I said would be ripped to shreds) I wish the family and this community good luck and God speed. I hope you win. Dont let hatred blind you to the obvious. If you want my thoughts, you know where to reach me. Holding my breath now.........

Would love to hear your thoughts on the case. Welcome to Tipping Point.
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NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired at many different centers that I worked at. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....

Claudia Arcabascio's deposition makes that plain.  It's frustrating to read because she (pretends she) doesn't understand English (or Scientologese) very well, but she is led into discussing Narconon Int's involvement with the housing situation.  The deposition even goes into how Narconon International wanted Narconon of Georgia to "get rid of Maria Delgado" and that Mary Rieser couldn't afford to start up a new housing setup because it would involve a new corporate registration, etc., and that perhaps she could afford to buy furniture, but didn't have the money to start a new housing.  There's something in there, too, that I need to reread, about her not wanting to pay Maria (?) for a company she started...  If that's not proof that NNGa and NNInt were deeply involved in running the housing, I don't know what is.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

I'd love to have your input on this depo, BMF. 

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ill post more when I get some more time:)
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NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired at many different centers that I worked at. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....

Claudia Arcabascio's deposition makes that plain.  It's frustrating to read because she (pretends she) doesn't understand English (or Scientologese) very well, but she is led into discussing Narconon Int's involvement with the housing situation.  The deposition even goes into how Narconon International wanted Narconon of Georgia to "get rid of Maria Delgado" and that Mary Rieser couldn't afford to start up a new housing setup because it would involve a new corporate registration, etc., and that perhaps she could afford to buy furniture, but didn't have the money to start a new housing.  There's something in there, too, that I need to reread, about her not wanting to pay Maria (?) for a company she started...  If that's not proof that NNGa and NNInt were deeply involved in running the housing, I don't know what is.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

I'd love to have your input on this depo, BMF. 

By the way, "Keep On Keeping ON", welcome to TP.

I posted on ESMB asking if anyone knew Claudia, along with info I found on her, and got a couple of replies :)
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28656-Anyone-know-Claudia-Arcabascio-%28-aka-Tagliaferro-%29-SHSBC-ASHO
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Just had a chance to review Yarko's deposition again.  Couple points here the attorney may want to take into account to establish negligence on NN Int's part.

Pg 55 or so he said he asked Jette McGregor to go and inspect as he was too busy.  Is he aware that Jette has never actually worked as a Withdrawal Specialist, Sauna I/C, Course Supervisor, Ethics Officer, Case Supervisor or Cramming Officer in a NN? She's never even done the courses!!!!!

How is she qualified to inspect when she never actually worked in a center in those jobs she is inspecting?  Yarko hasnt either for that matter.

On page 57 line 8 of her testimony he asks if the inspections look into the qualifications of the people who work with the students.  She says the tech inspections dont do that.  This is a lie.  "What is a Course checklist" specifically asks for the inspector to see if the person is a trained course supervisor.

More on Yarko...

Pg 22 of his testimony.  There is a requirement for ED reports.

Pg 23  He has come to a center because he did review the stats of individual centers.  Have proof he is lying.

Pg 28 he says the reports are sent during the week.  They are sent at 2pm on Thursday or the world stops.  int termnials frequently send them back with questions or corrections so they do look at and use them.

Pg 29 Lie

Pg 77, 79 and 85 he is being asked about what "applying Emergency" is and if there are any guidelines in writing a "knowledge report".  He said he did not know what applying emergency meant or if there were guidelines.  In the NN Basic Staff Hat and Vol 0 (which is the churches version of BSH, which he has done I believe) these are taught.  You take a test and attest to having known, understood and able to apply the references.  If he doesnt really know then he just set himself up for a false attest at NN or the Church.  But he does know.  Its just another lie.







ill post more when I get some more time:)
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Terrific stuff, BMF! Your insight and knowledge are invaluable.
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i havent taken the time to read through all the posts and court documents, but feel i need to comment.

i was a "student" at narcanon of georgia earlier this year. the housing is now called "discovery course" and at a different apartment complex. i knew mary was full of it the first time i met her. she was so proud to show all new students the picture of gordi and john travolta, and gordi and sarah palin. after i first went there i called home to my parents complaining about how this was a scientology center. i begged them to take me somewhere...anywhere else. they refused. the next day i had my "orientation interview." i was asked if i was an undercover agent there to expose narcanon. i found out later the phones were tapped and i was the only person asked those questions.

mary is a liar and it is obvious through her deposistion. she skirts around every question. it is the norm there to only speak of scientology through hushed whispers.

if anyone has any questions about how the facility is run now, i will gladly answer.

i absolutly hate that patrick desmond died, and a student i was there with recently died as well. he was staff when he died in august, under very strange circumstances. he was the sweetest nicest human being i probably have ever met. i would like to know if narcanon had any involvement whatsoever.



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Hi loriisbored, welcome to Tipping Point!

i havent taken the time to read through all the posts and court documents, but feel i need to comment.

i was a "student" at narcanon of georgia earlier this year. the housing is now called "discovery course" and at a different apartment complex.

We have some posts around here somewhere about Discovery Course, but thanks for confirming it from a first hand point of view.

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i knew mary was full of it the first time i met her. she was so proud to show all new students the picture of gordi and john travolta, and gordi and sarah palin.

It's interesting that Mary is riding on Gordy's "laurels".   ::) 

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after i first went there i called home to my parents complaining about how this was a scientology center. i begged them to take me somewhere...anywhere else. they refused.

Narconon is very good at convincing parents that "it's the addict talking", that what the clients tell their loved ones is all a bunch of lies they tell to try to get out of rehab.  I'm sorry your parents didn't remove you. 

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the next day i had my "orientation interview." i was asked if i was an undercover agent there to expose narcanon. i found out later the phones were tapped and i was the only person asked those questions.

I know it's not funny to you, and I mean no disrespect to you, but LOL; I guess they have plenty to be worried about in that regard.  There needs to be an undercover investigation of Narconon of Georgia, if there isn't already one going on.

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mary is a liar and it is obvious through her deposistion. she skirts around every question. it is the norm there to only speak of scientology through hushed whispers.

if anyone has any questions about how the facility is run now, i will gladly answer.

i absolutly hate that patrick desmond died, and a student i was there with recently died as well. he was staff when he died in august, under very strange circumstances. he was the sweetest nicest human being i probably have ever met. i would like to know if narcanon had any involvement whatsoever.

OMG, another death at Narconon of Georgia!?  I am sooo sorry to hear that.  Will you tell us his name and what the strange circumstances were?  I'm sorry you experienced this loss, but thank you for telling us about it.

In my opinion, Narconon bears some responsibility, whether they were directly involved or not, just by their teachings - that a person can have control over drugs/alcohol, that the person only needs to avoid their drug of choice, and that all that is needed to deal with substance abuse is warmed over scientology.   This needs to stop; Narconon of Georgia needs to be shut down NOW.
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i found out later the phones were tapped and i was the only person asked those questions.

Georgia is a 'one party consent' state for monitoring and recording calls. Which means one of the parties on the call has to consent to this monitoring, it has nothing to do with who owns the phones. If the other party is in a two party consent state, then both have to consent to the monitoring, even if one is in Georgia. If NN Ga is monitoring and recording calls without either parties consent they are violating both Georgia and Federal law.

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Sounds like 2nd or third hand info.  There is typically a lot of speculation if they are amongst students as staff often find out things from conversations had on phones. They may be near a phone physically and overhear what you are saying or a family member or friend that you are griping to calls in and repeats what you are saying.  These things are then reported to the Case Supervisor who sends you to the Ethics Officer or Dir of Rehab or Dir of Life Skills Services who then interviews or confronts you on the report.  Students put two and two together and come up with "the phones are tapped".  Ive seen it hundreds of times and never once was there a phone tap involved.  Its too much money and takes up too much time.  Logistically its not possible to pay someone to do this.  You would need teams of people who their sole reponsibility would be to do this. 

Also, the question they asked about being a reporter or gathering info for news agencies and such are standard questions asked to every student. 
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i was a "student" at narcanon of georgia earlier this year. the housing is now called "discovery course" and at a different apartment complex. i knew mary was full of it the first time i met her. she was so proud to show all new students the picture of gordi and john travolta, and gordi and sarah palin. after i first went there i called home to my parents complaining about how this was a scientology center. i begged them to take me somewhere...anywhere else. they refused. the next day i had my "orientation interview." i was asked if i was an undercover agent there to expose narcanon. i found out later the phones were tapped and i was the only person asked those questions....
Welcome loriisbored, and thanks for your first hand account.
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i knew mary was full of it the first time i met her. she was so proud to show all new students the picture of gordi and john travolta, and gordi and sarah palin. after i first went there i called home to my parents complaining about how this was a scientology center.

Everyone seems to know that Mary Rieser is lying, except the DCH's division of Healthcare Facility Regulation. Every plan of correction she submits is acceptable in their eyes, no matter how many complaints are received. I am saddened to hear of another death in GA.

Thanks for posting here Loriisbored.
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Phones are not tapped in any NN that I have ever been in.  Sounds like 2nd or third hand info.  There is typically a lot of speculation if they are amongst students as staff often find out things from conversations had on phones. They may be near a phone physically and overhear what you are saying or a family member or friend that you are griping to calls in and repeats what you are saying.  These things are then reported to the Case Supervisor who sends you to the Ethics Officer or Dir of Rehab or Dir of Life Skills Services who then interviews or confronts you on the report.  Students put two and two together and come up with "the phones are tapped".  Ive seen it hundreds of times and never once was there a phone tap involved.  Its too much money and takes up too much time.  Logistically its not possible to pay someone to do this.  You would need teams of people who their sole reponsibility would be to do this. 

Also, the question they asked about being a reporter or gathering info for news agencies and such are standard questions asked to every student.  I have seen it at 5 different centers asked to each student enrolling on the program.
From the many reports I have received over the last 5 years, phone tapping is a chronic long time issue encountered by many students and loved ones who attend the Narconon Southern California  / Narconon Fresh Start facilities.
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Ok, so y'all may be right about the phones not being tapped. But I was asked it I was a reporter. And then later on, in the middle of me talking about my drug use they throw in "are you an undercover agent here to exposes narcanon?" Very suspicious. And I did and still find it funny. Especially now that would love to expose and shut them down.

And honestly I wouldn't be suprised if it was someones job there to listen to all the recorded calls while sending 'public service announcements' to newspapers and radio stations.

And trust me, the laws mean nothing to them. From the time I was there no one to get a single valid tb test, because you had to return to the clinic in 48 hours for the results to be read to you. No one ever returned. I think they manage to get around that because the tb shots are done at walgreens, and everything else was done at locharini's office.

Also the strange circumstances included the fact that he was missing for days, and narcanon seemingly not caring.