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I have received two reports stating they were informed about a reported death of a girl over at Narconon Arrowhead this past tuesday. Both wanted more information, as the name and death itself have not been confirmed.

I'll post more about this as I find things out. Be assured that the authorities are being asked to look into this.
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 15:02 »
I have received two reports stating they were informed about a reported death of a girl over at Narconon Arrowhead this past tuesday. Both wanted more information, as the name and death itself have not been confirmed.

I'll post more about this as I find things out. Be assured that the authorities are being asked to look into this.

I hate to hear this news and hope ODMHSAS will act this time. I am so very sorry for this girl's family. :'(
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 15:54 »
It's so sad that another death has (or may have) occurred.  It's only been 6 months since Gabriel Graves died at Narconon Arrowhead! 

If it did in fact happen, I'm not sorry to hear about it - I'm sorry there is or was anything to hear about.

My sincere condolences to the family and friends.   :.{.... 

When your initial grief is complete, I hope you raise h*ll about it!
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2012, 22:42 »
it is true!!!                                i was talking to my finance on the phone and over heard someone talking about how they just found a 21 year old girl dead in withdrawes, who recieved no medacal attiontion! i am scared! i sent my fiance some info on what people are saying about narconon and the deaths there. she got it a few hours after they found this poor young woman dead! The staff raided her room and told her she could not have that type of info about them, and if she showed anyone they were going to kick her out and she would have to walk to the airport (over an hour drive away) this place is insane i fear for her and everyone else there. She won't come home because her mother (knowing this info about narconon) threatens to disown her if she does not complete this program. Luckly she is smart enough to realize weeks ago she was not feeling right and was feeling sick and lack of emotions towards anyone. she says a bunch of the student realized it to and sneak and throw they vitamiams away cause they don't feel right on them. She also said they threatin to write them up if they don't do what ever is asked and in a threating way tell them not to be on the phone often. she also went on to say how young girls are skipping class and being escorted alone by male staff to the lake or other place were no one else is around and this should be a MAJOR concern for anyone concidering there are rumors about staff bringing drugs in and the students having or preforming sexual favors in order to be able to do what they want and get treated fairly. I don't know the truth to all of this but i know some of it to be very true and if there is anything anyone can do to help or offer advise please do so

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2012, 23:12 »
Hello, and welcome, whoswhoconcerned.  Thank you for telling us what you know abut this.  Please see my response below.

it is true!!!                                i was talking to my finance on the phone and over heard someone talking about how they just found a 21 year old girl dead in withdrawes, who recieved no medacal attiontion! i am scared! i sent my fiance some info on what people are saying about narconon and the deaths there. she got it a few hours after they found this poor young woman dead! The staff raided her room and told her she could not have that type of info about them, and if she showed anyone they were going to kick her out and she would have to walk to the airport (over an hour drive away) this place is insane i fear for her and everyone else there. She won't come home because her mother (knowing this info about narconon) threatens to disown her if she does not complete this program. Luckly she is smart enough to realize weeks ago she was not feeling right and was feeling sick and lack of emotions towards anyone. she says a bunch of the student realized it to and sneak and throw they vitamiams away cause they don't feel right on them. She also said they threatin to write them up if they don't do what ever is asked and in a threating way tell them not to be on the phone often. she also went on to say how young girls are skipping class and being escorted alone by male staff to the lake or other place were no one else is around and this should be a MAJOR concern for anyone concidering there are rumors about staff bringing drugs in and the students having or preforming sexual favors in order to be able to do what they want and get treated fairly. I don't know the truth to all of this but i know some of it to be very true and if there is anything anyone can do to help or offer advise please do so

You should file a complaint with the Consumer Advocacy Division of Oklahoma at the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse.  The contact information is on this page: http://ok.gov/odmhsas/Additional_Information/Consumer_Rights/index.html  It won't be an immediate help for your fiance, but it will help others in the future who may end up in the same position if nothing is done about this facility.

We have heard before about all of the things you mention - inappropriate sexual behavior, drug use, and lack of respect or regard for the "students", so she is likely telling the truth about all of it.  Fortunately, she realizes something is not right with this, and is looking out for herself. 

The mother knows all of this information about Narconon, and still threatens to disown her if she leaves?

Mary McConnell will probably be along soon with some additional advice, so please check back, ok?  You should get an email notification when people respond to your post or send you a personal message (PM).  Please let me know if you need any help on how to get or send PMs.

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 02:38 »
it is true!!!                                i was talking to my finance on the phone and over heard someone talking about how they just found a 21 year old girl dead in withdrawes, who recieved no medacal attiontion! i am scared! i sent my fiance some info on what people are saying about narconon and the deaths there. she got it a few hours after they found this poor young woman dead! The staff raided her room and told her she could not have that type of info about them, and if she showed anyone they were going to kick her out and she would have to walk to the airport (over an hour drive away) this place is insane i fear for her and everyone else there. She won't come home because her mother (knowing this info about narconon) threatens to disown her if she does not complete this program. Luckly she is smart enough to realize weeks ago she was not feeling right and was feeling sick and lack of emotions towards anyone. she says a bunch of the student realized it to and sneak and throw they vitamiams away cause they don't feel right on them. She also said they threatin to write them up if they don't do what ever is asked and in a threating way tell them not to be on the phone often. she also went on to say how young girls are skipping class and being escorted alone by male staff to the lake or other place were no one else is around and this should be a MAJOR concern for anyone concidering there are rumors about staff bringing drugs in and the students having or preforming sexual favors in order to be able to do what they want and get treated fairly. I don't know the truth to all of this but i know some of it to be very true and if there is anything anyone can do to help or offer advise please do so

OMG!!! Another death - - I am Sooo sad over this. The sexual text of your post here, is not an
isolated activity at just this Narconon. I have documented proof from victims who have been sexually molested in withdrawal, including sex on the Assist table, patient's being photographed
by scum-bags. Some patients taken to staff apartment complex for sex and staff-patient sex in different locations in the cult compound, I HAVE reported this to Police!!!

I will be EXPSING all of this and more in  my new book to be published in June 2012. Those BASTARDS!!! Justice is coming SOON.

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2012, 09:19 »
  This whole sordid affair in Oklahoma just plain rips my heart out. These scientologists and their so called medical associates are nothing more than self centered profiteers preying on the vulnerable and lying to anyone and everyone to advance their twisted ideology. Just look @ what SCIENTOLOGY/NARCONON INTERNATIONAL did to the 5 Indian Nations Agricultural College in Chilocco Oklahoma.

 http://youtu.be/CwjSO2qiDWA

 http://youtu.be/J0U5hGYC9aQ

  I was there @ this once beautiful school when SCIENTOLOGY/NARCONON promised great things to the local community. This is what DAVID MISCAVIGE and his henchmen leave in their sick wake,nothing but destruction and despair.

  Kristie Alley was there too. Look what hell on earth your organization did to the fine people of Chilocco Oklahoma Kristie. Now look what this monstrosity of an organization is doing again in Oklahoma.

 MADNESS!

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2012, 12:23 »
  This whole sordid affair in Oklahoma just plain rips my heart out. These scientologists and their so called medical associates are nothing more than self centered profiteers preying on the vulnerable and lying to anyone and everyone to advance their twisted ideology. Just look @ what SCIENTOLOGY/NARCONON INTERNATIONAL did to the 5 Indian Nations Agricultural College in Chilocco Oklahoma.

 http://youtu.be/CwjSO2qiDWA

 http://youtu.be/J0U5hGYC9aQ

  I was there @ this once beautiful school when SCIENTOLOGY/NARCONON promised great things to the local community. This is what DAVID MISCAVIGE and his henchmen leave in their sick wake,nothing but destruction and despair.

  Kristie Alley was there too. Look what hell on earth your organization did to the fine people of Chilocco Oklahoma Kristie. Now look what this monstrosity of an organization is doing again in Oklahoma.

 MADNESS!

This really deserves a thread of its own. I have much info to post about the now defunct Narconon Chilocco but don't want to divert from this thread here.
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2012, 15:20 »
Bloody Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2012, 18:55 »
it is true!!!                                i was talking to my finance on the phone and over heard someone talking about how they just found a 21 year old girl dead in withdrawes, who recieved no medacal attiontion! i am scared! i sent my fiance some info on what people are saying about narconon and the deaths there. she got it a few hours after they found this poor young woman dead! The staff raided her room and told her she could not have that type of info about them, and if she showed anyone they were going to kick her out and she would have to walk to the airport (over an hour drive away) this place is insane i fear for her and everyone else there. She won't come home because her mother (knowing this info about narconon) threatens to disown her if she does not complete this program. Luckly she is smart enough to realize weeks ago she was not feeling right and was feeling sick and lack of emotions towards anyone. she says a bunch of the student realized it to and sneak and throw they vitamiams away cause they don't feel right on them. She also said they threatin to write them up if they don't do what ever is asked and in a threating way tell them not to be on the phone often. she also went on to say how young girls are skipping class and being escorted alone by male staff to the lake or other place were no one else is around and this should be a MAJOR concern for anyone concidering there are rumors about staff bringing drugs in and the students having or preforming sexual favors in order to be able to do what they want and get treated fairly. I don't know the truth to all of this but i know some of it to be very true and if there is anything anyone can do to help or offer advise please do so

Did you get my private message? I look forward to hearing back from you.

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2012, 21:34 »
  This whole sordid affair in Oklahoma just plain rips my heart out. These scientologists and their so called medical associates are nothing more than self centered profiteers preying on the vulnerable and lying to anyone and everyone to advance their twisted ideology. Just look @ what SCIENTOLOGY/NARCONON INTERNATIONAL did to the 5 Indian Nations Agricultural College in Chilocco Oklahoma.

 http://youtu.be/CwjSO2qiDWA

 http://youtu.be/J0U5hGYC9aQ

  I was there @ this once beautiful school when SCIENTOLOGY/NARCONON promised great things to the local community. This is what DAVID MISCAVIGE and his henchmen leave in their sick wake,nothing but destruction and despair.

  Kristie Alley was there too. Look what hell on earth your organization did to the fine people of Chilocco Oklahoma Kristie. Now look what this monstrosity of an organization is doing again in Oklahoma.

 MADNESS!

This really deserves a thread of its own. I have much info to post about the now defunct Narconon Chilocco but don't want to divert from this thread here.

Since part of the post is about the current incident, it would probably be best for you to start a new topic for Chilocco - but you can quote ST's post for it if you like by hitting "quote" above the post, then copying the quoted text to your clipboard.  Then start a new topic, and paste your clipboard (the quote) into the new topic's message box (where you type the message).   :)

Doesn't hurt to have the cross references and you may point to the new thread in this one also if you want to.
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2012, 21:41 »
Bloody Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Colin, nice to see you here. 

These two deaths in such a short period of time at one Narconon are really awful, aren't they? 

One of our members said they have opened a medical detox at Arrowhead, just back at the end of February.  I wonder if it was there that this occurred?  If so, that's a terrible track record, only open for a month and a half, and already killing people?

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2012, 12:40 »
Bloody Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Colin, nice to see you here. 

These two deaths in such a short period of time at one Narconon are really awful, aren't they? 

One of our members said they have opened a medical detox at Arrowhead, just back at the end of February.  I wonder if it was there that this occurred?  If so, that's a terrible track record, only open for a month and a half, and already killing people?

a Medical Detox run by the Cult??? OMG, they have NO idea what they are getting themselves
into. This is serious "Medical Practicing". In 1990, I owned and operated a detox reb on
Vancouver Island. I would't dare try to "treat" anyone in a Medical Detox sense. I referred
all patients to the hospital two blocks away and even for councelling at the clinic.

People DIE coming off some drugs and alcohol!!

Anyway, are there more details on this death???

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2012, 13:48 »
Bloody Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Colin, nice to see you here. 

These two deaths in such a short period of time at one Narconon are really awful, aren't they? 

One of our members said they have opened a medical detox at Arrowhead, just back at the end of February.  I wonder if it was there that this occurred?  If so, that's a terrible track record, only open for a month and a half, and already killing people?
Hi There!!

NN Arrowhead sickens me, and that goes for all of them bloddy Bastards. Breaks my hart everytime.

I was making phone calls yesterday and one of confimed the Onsight Medical Detox.  I was reading an article by Rachel Petersen ( http://mcalesternews.com/local/x2029130661/100-felony-cases-filed-in-Pittsburg-County-in-2012 ) and decided to contact the rehad facility she metioned in her article http://kibois.org/]"The Oaks Rehabilitative Service" [url]http://kibois.org/ is legit.  I decided to call them after googling their name and noticed all the NN fake referal sites over running the search string.  I visited with a young lady, she was a little affraid of NN because her mom started working there earlyer this year.  She confirmed that NN Arrowhead now has an Onsight Medical Detox Facility and it is up and running.  My first phone call Monday morning is to Denika Cain @ ODMHSAS.  I'll post what news I get ASAP.  I believe I forgot to tell Mary about this during our phone chat yesterday.

Political Campaingns are sstarting to kick off here in Oklahoma, I'll be at every function held...we will make this a campaign issue.
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2012, 17:27 »
Bloody Bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Colin, nice to see you here. 

These two deaths in such a short period of time at one Narconon are really awful, aren't they? 

One of our members said they have opened a medical detox at Arrowhead, just back at the end of February.  I wonder if it was there that this occurred?  If so, that's a terrible track record, only open for a month and a half, and already killing people?
Hi There!!

NN Arrowhead sickens me, and that goes for all of them bloddy Bastards. Breaks my hart everytime.

I was making phone calls yesterday and one of confimed the Onsight Medical Detox.  I was reading an article by Rachel Petersen ( http://mcalesternews.com/local/x2029130661/100-felony-cases-filed-in-Pittsburg-County-in-2012 ) and decided to contact the rehad facility she metioned in her article "The Oaks Rehabilitative Service" [url]http://kibois.org/]http://kibois.org/]"The Oaks Rehabilitative Service" [url]http://kibois.org/ is legit.  I decided to call them after googling their name and noticed all the NN fake referal sites over running the search string.  I visited with a young lady, she was a little affraid of NN because her mom started working there earlyer this year.  She confirmed that NN Arrowhead now has an Onsight Medical Detox Facility and it is up and running.  My first phone call Monday morning is to Denika Cain @ ODMHSAS.  I'll post what news I get ASAP.  I believe I forgot to tell Mary about this during our phone chat yesterday.

Political Campaingns are sstarting to kick off here in Oklahoma, I'll be at every function held...we will make this a campaign issue.

Thanks, Colin. Really appreciate your good work. This whole licensing issue is baffleing, since they had the respidential program license suspended after the inspection in November. There had to be a subsequent inspection after Gabrial's death was reported by people here, causing more concerns. We didn't think they would renew the residential license in time for Dec 31st but instead, they got this other license for Onsite Med Detox. 

On another note, do we have any idea which hospital the ambulance took the young girl, who died April 10th, to in Pittsburg Co.? I'm presuming it was in Pittsburg Co since the death was reported to that sheriff only.
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2012, 18:54 »

I still have several friends that work at Narconon Arrowhead...  The body of the young woman who died Tuesday was found when staff was checking vitals in withdrawal.    She complained of a pain in her abdomen while running a light objective... The staff member was trained that the pain was triggered by the objective and it would go away after running through it non-stop until the staff member observed the student showing VGIs. During the excessive running of the objective however, she left the sessions and got in bed. It wasn't until they were checking student's vitals in the early morning that they realized she had passed away.
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2012, 19:11 »
Hi sooner86. Please see my private message :)
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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2012, 19:46 »
I was there from November to February, and I never heard of anything about them having their residential licensing suspended... If they did they just pretended like it didn't happen and kept right on going.

I still have several friends that work at Narconon Arrowhead...  The body of the young woman who died Tuesday was found when staff was checking vitals in withdrawal.    She complained of a pain in her abdomen while running a light objective... The staff member was trained that the pain was triggered by the objective and it would go away after running through it non-stop until the staff member observed the student showing VGIs. During the excessive running of the objective however, she left the sessions and got in bed. It wasn't until they were checking student's vitals in the early morning that they realized she had passed away.

A definition for those unfamiliar with the term VGI.

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VGIs, Very Good Indicators. A bright, shining, smiling face expected and rewarded after a feedback session with an auditor "therapist" and an E-Meter. "Sally was F/Ning with VGI's after her Sunshine Rundown."

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2012, 20:13 »
This is so utterly sad. The girl was ill and not attended to medically. Made to do those robotic objectives while ill because they make you do them regardless - only breaking at a 'flat point- only to be started up again the next day.

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Re: Another death on tuesday, 4/10/2012 at Narconon Arrowhead?
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2012, 20:27 »
This is so utterly sad. The girl was ill and not attended to medically. Made to do those robotic objectives while ill because they make you do them regardless - only breaking at a 'flat point- only to be started up again the next day.

Same here, Mary. I'm pretty much speechless at this point.

If Narconon is not stopped by those in a position of authority to do so, there will be more deaths.  Narconon is not likely to change their approach to drug treatment.
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