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Offline SocialTransparency

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More scientology abuse
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Re: More scientology abuse
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2010, 18:54 »
Re: link above--What relation to Karen Pouw is Marion Pouw?

Also, I am disturbed to read not only another bunch tales about Scientologist abuse, but also the implication that the abuses are 100% due to Miscavige. As has been pointed out many times before, LRH created the abusive policies, and he created Miscavige (as he was raised in the cult); the abuses will not magically go away if Miscavige is deposed.

I realize that this is a stage a lot of recent exes are going through; the cognitive dissonance prevents them from totally dismissing Scientology, so they strive to make it work for them in some way, and decide that IF ONLY Elron were still around, there would not be any abuses. They are demonstrably wrong about that, unfortunately. Far too many people who remember LRH dispute this assumption. Others dismiss LRH and Miscavige, but cling to the "tech", claiming that it actually "works." I suppose it is slightly less painful psychologically to "step down" in this fashion, but it represents, to me, more wasted time spent defending a broken and destructive system, time which the ex will later regret (should they ever move on from these stages) as much if not more than they regret the time spent "under Miscavige's thumb."

DM sucks, obviously, but he is not the root of all evil in the cult; he is a product of that evil, and carrying out policies that LRH either created from whole cloth on his own, or stole from earlier sources and claimed as his own.

Here's a link referencing the one above (see the comments for reactions to this poor woman's horror story):

But I digress.


Some Scientologists believe that only "bad" Scientologists or non-Scientologists are targeted for abuse. Not so! Even "good" Scientologists, actively donating money with no intention of leaving, get abused and suspected of "bad" intentions / being "out ethics".

Of possible additional interest: A comment lower down on the same page describing the rigid caste system within the cult.

Also: How DOES the cult treat its most exalted and (supposedly) accomplished members, the revered OT8s? Not very well, as it turns out.
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Re: More scientology abuse
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2010, 19:47 »
The lunacy continues.

Her story is heartbreaking and nothing new. The disconnection policy is abusive. Children should not be disconnected from their parents.

To fail or refuse to disconnect from a suppressive person not only denies the PTS case gain, it is also supportive of the suppressive — in itself a Suppressive act. And it must be so labeled.
- L. Ron Hubbard in "HCOB 10 Sept 83 “PTS-ness and Disconnection

PTS= Potential Trouble Source
Seems like an accurate description for some adolescents. :) Disconnection hurts.
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Re: More scientology abuse
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2010, 21:37 »
Any of the people who think the bad stuff all started when Miscavige took over might want to listen to Hana Eltringham Whitfield's interview here:

Hana was a scientologist from 1964 till 1984, during Hubbard's time, not Miscavige's.

Here is her affidavit from 1994:

Here are a couple of quotes from it:

44g. This is only the tip of the iceberg concerning corporate integrity violations, which were standard operating procedure with Hubbard and which he passed on to his followers. Scientology management cannot succeed without such violations ... Hubbard's policies and procedures, only some of which mandate the authority and independence of Boards and Executive Directors, do not, in the main, tolerate this in practice.

52. This is the Hubbardian mindset which directed the criminal acts of the now-defunct GO, and which continues to direct the acts of all Hubbard's corporations today, both profit and non-profit.

53. I experienced this in 1968, when both the "Avon River," the ship I captained at the time, and the "Royal Scotman," Hubbard's Flag ship, were in Bizerte, Tunis, in North Africa. Two Sea Org Officers and I spoke on the dock one evening. They were both flying out the next day to Los Angeles, on a Hubbard assignment. They told me that Hubbard ordered them to shoot up Jack Horner, who lived in Los Angeles, a suppressive person whom Hubbard had personally declared some years earlier. Both men had hand guns and would travel with them. They left ... and then returned some weeks later. After their debrief they told me that Horner had indeed been shot at multiple times, while he and his family were in their home one evening. Fortunately, no one had been hurt.

They might also want to take note of a Channel 4 Great Britain documentary, "Secret Lives - L. Ron Hubbard" which is transcribed here:

Or they might not.  Hana says:
145. One question arises - what happens to people who live in a fantasy world which becomes more real to them than the physical or material universe? In which objective reality has become subjective reality, and vice versa? This could be said to happen to people in institutions. This is what happens with every practicing and dedicated Scientologist who starts into auditing and continues on with it.
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