Author Topic: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid  (Read 3792 times)

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1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« on: January 06, 2010, 16:19 »
A student came to the left side of the street to get info about narconon. She talked to the protesters on that side for a bit.  While this was going on a narconon counselor was on the other side challenging us.  Eventually the student came over to our side to get some fliers.  While we were tryign to giver her info the counselor tried to grab it from her. She had to fold it up and shove it down her pants to keep it from him.  One of the protesters yelled at him not to grab the student.  I think we have footage of him yelling at her as she walked up the driveway.

We pretty much watched a counselor almost assault a student from getting a piece of paper with info on it.

After this the original counselor came back down with 2 large men with him.  They went towards the side that had to females on it.  I started yelling call 911 because of how they were approaching. As soon as that occurred the 2 new men backed down.  However the original man was furious and argued with us all. When the police showed up he argued with  them for abit too. Eventually he went inside. 

When we left to go grab lunch the white narconon van pulled out and got in front of us and a red vehicle also from narconon pulled behind us.  They seemed to have lost interest in us as we pulled in to go eat pizza.   We didn't' see them again.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2010, 21:36 by Raven »

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Re: 1-6-2009 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 18:55 »
Tell us more please. :o

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Re: 1-6-2009 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 19:48 »
Yeah, like who was with you, when you started, how long you stayed, etc...

Inquisitive minds inquire, and heroes have bragging rights!

If they followed you, that is a violation of state stalking laws, and requires they be examined by a psychiatrist...<grin>

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Re: 1-6-2009 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 21:31 »
I'm glad y'all are ok.

Tell us more please. :o

This is the sort of thing that happens when you're not there with your big camera.   ;)
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Re: 1-6-2009 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 21:39 »
The counselor seems to be an angry guy. The police really took an interest in hearing some of us out.

I got there a bit late and missed the girl asking for information and the counselor attempting to take it from her. So sad that information is not free in Narconon.
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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2010, 09:57 »
IMHO, It is time to release some fact based dox on this local narCONon group Anyone that was there yesterday, If you need help with your pic/video issues, please PM me. I can fix pic/vid prob's. I also want to raid this group.

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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2010, 13:53 »
Why did I have to work during this?

And I second that offer for video help. Y'know, if these videos look anything like Starbucks Boy from Clearwater, then ATL may have been the catalyst for the biggest footbullet Narconon has ever done! Imagine sending this to the courts, asking them why Narconon is go against letting a student read a flyer!
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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2010, 19:54 »
And I second that offer for video help. Y'know, if these videos look anything like Starbucks Boy from Clearwater, then ATL may have been the catalyst for the biggest footbullet Narconon has ever done! Imagine sending this to the courts, asking them why Narconon is go against letting a student read a flyer!

I don't think we managed to get video of that incident, unfortunately.

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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 20:06 »
 :'(
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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 02:43 »
We did not manage to get the discussion with the student, nor, as far as I can tell, the student being manhandled, on video.

Our video problems are not something that another cook stirring the soup could help. The biggest problem is combining three different batches of video and making three different Anons happy with the result while dealing with computer HD space issues. MOAR Anons would not make the process go any faster.

SRSLY, we are super frustrated with the technical difficulties, and the pressure and constant nudges to POST VIDZ NAO! is getting irritating. I KNOW you guys are being supportive and interested and we understand and truly appreciate the enthusiasm; just know we are doing this as fast as possible and it makes me want to headdesk when we get the equivalent of an "ARE WE THERE YET?!" from the excited peanut gallery in the back seat while we're still trying to just get the car out of our driveway. So to speak. :) I, for one, have put other projects I wanted to get done by now on the back burner to give the videos and then the necessary editing and uploading top priority. Stu and Raven have also done little else but mess with this issue all day and all of yesterday.

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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 11:50 »
We did not manage to get the discussion with the student, nor, as far as I can tell, the student being manhandled, on video.

Our video problems are not something that another cook stirring the soup could help. The biggest problem is combining three different batches of video and making three different Anons happy with the result while dealing with computer HD space issues. MOAR Anons would not make the process go any faster.

SRSLY, we are super frustrated with the technical difficulties, and the pressure and constant nudges to POST VIDZ NAO! is getting irritating. I KNOW you guys are being supportive and interested and we understand and truly appreciate the enthusiasm; just know we are doing this as fast as possible and it makes me want to headdesk when we get the equivalent of an "ARE WE THERE YET?!" from the excited peanut gallery in the back seat while we're still trying to just get the car out of our driveway. So to speak. :) I, for one, have put other projects I wanted to get done by now on the back burner to give the videos and then the necessary editing and uploading top priority. Stu and Raven have also done little else but mess with this issue all day and all of yesterday.

SOON, my friends. SOON.
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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 20:26 »
video 1
This was not made by me! It was made by the very talented Lorelei. It was translated to the best of their abilities by Lor, Raven, and Stu. The traffic noise makes this hard to hear. Also the camera has held down during 99% of this video. The narconon student was very young and we felt it was wrong to film her. However at the end footage of her back is shown as she is taken back up the driveway being yelled at by the narconon counselor.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aStfG4RnDCA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cTxyD5wjgI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zng0xXPuHg
« Last Edit: January 09, 2010, 00:17 by FYIANON »

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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2010, 09:48 »
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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2010, 12:17 »
A student came to the left side of the street to get info about narconon. She talked to the protesters on that side for a bit.  While this was going on a narconon counselor was on the other side challenging us.  Eventually the student came over to our side to get some fliers.  While we were tryign to giver her info the counselor tried to grab it from her. She had to fold it up and shove it down her pants to keep it from him.  One of the protesters yelled at him not to grab the student.  I think we have footage of him yelling at her as she walked up the driveway.

We pretty much watched a counselor almost assault a student from getting a piece of paper with info on it.




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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2010, 01:18 »
What I find interesting is that no matter where they are located, Narconon center spokespeople rely on the same rote defenses when people wind up sick, bankrupt, or dead ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narconon#Controversies ) after a Narconon "treatment". Some of the same responses can be tracked when Scientology Org spokespeople are asked about deaths or illnesses or unhappy (ex-)Scientologists:

"Why are you religious bigots / against people getting the "help" that they need?"
"Why don't you talk about all the people we have (supposedly) helped? (insert undocumented, non-third-party-verified statistic here)"
http://www.holysmoke.org/narconon/more-die.htm

"Scientology / Narconon works and it helps people!" Yeah, right. You keep telling yourself that.


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http://www.raids.org/gen00286.htm (Includes lots of Mike Rinder quotes that will make you ill.)

Bonus Broken Record comments here include the assertion that Scientology settled a lawsuit because the justice system is "flawed" (not because they knew they were guilty as hell), and Scientologist deaths / illnesses are "statistically insignificant."

It seems to me that it is statistically VERY significant that these dead / ill people all  have one significant thing in common: Scientology / Narconon decision-makers deliberately delayed or denied appropriate medical attention, with which the victim was likely to have survived.
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/sources/media/lr111001.htm

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More on the Purification Rundown, which is Scientology "tech" that its front group Narconon practices:
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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2010, 08:52 »
Thanks for the links. It would be interesting to see from a statistical point of view, how many "Chain Rehab" BUSINESSES and may I stress the word BUSINESSES, have such a bad PR rep. NarCONon being a nationwide BUSINESS does seem to corner the negative press when it comes to deaths/resivitism (hope i spelled that right) and bad business dealings.

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Re: 1-6-2010 Narconon Flash Raid
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 09:14 »
Great information Lor.

So, true:

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This characterizes the countenance of Scientology.
 We were watching the programming from Operation Snowwhite, in action..
 This was also the character of the Nationalist Socialists.
 Bullies.

What is worse, with Narconon's deceptive web presence they are the first organization that worried parents and vulnerable people with a substance abuse problem will find doing a net search. Narconon does not willingly reveal its connection to Scientology.

Just do a google search for drug treatment to see what I mean:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Drug+treatment&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en

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