Author Topic: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs  (Read 8739 times)

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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2009, 16:34 »
hmmm hope she got what she needed.  It obvious it wasn't scientology lol

anyone get screen caps of this?

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I'm also hoping it wasn't fair game that lead to her site going down.

Me too.  I don't like the way the timeline left off in the middle of her planning a trip to the org in Atlanta, then just ended.  I hope she will at least let people know she's ok.

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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2009, 16:53 »
That is truly sad. Thank you ether for posting this!

I'm wondering if the BBB did anything about this after the complaint was filed? And I am also curious as to what happened to this woman after the log ended?
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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2009, 18:07 »
Wow. I am worried about this woman. I hope she got her money back, finally, and is safe. No other scenario is acceptable, really.
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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2009, 18:55 »
Sorry to double post, but this is a separate concern:

Wait, I are confuse. I just read this: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/15-media/wsb-news-sandy-springs-scientology-vote-56899/

Does that mean what I think it means? That appears to conflict with the other thread I just read that says the council voted AGAINST the cult, 3-2.
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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2009, 19:28 »
they voted against the cult building the sanctuary.  The building currents allows for a church.  The sanctuary would have destroyed parking and magnified how over built the property currently is

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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2009, 06:52 »
So, basically, they have won nothing, as they were always allowed to occupy the building they own. They just can't ignore the zoning restrictions in order to build their mind worm ranches and spaceship bunker down in the basement...er, I mean, their "sanctuary."

Are they going to be forced to maintain the exterior of the building and the property any time soon? That would be swell. I could not care less about their nice wood paneling and HDTVs on the INSIDE of the building.
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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2009, 08:39 »
So, basically, they have won nothing, as they were always allowed to occupy the building they own. They just can't ignore the zoning restrictions in order to build their mind worm ranches and spaceship bunker down in the basement...er, I mean, their "sanctuary."

Are they going to be forced to maintain the exterior of the building and the property any time soon? That would be swell. I could not care less about their nice wood paneling and HDTVs on the INSIDE of the building.

The scientologists can't let their minds wander:

Fixing a Hole
I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in
And stops my mind from wandering
Where will it go
I'm filling the cracks that ran through the door
And kept my mind from wandering
Where will it go
And it really doesn't matter if I'm wrong
I'm right
Where I belong I'm right
Where I belong.
See the people standing there who disagree and never win
And wonder why they don't get in my door.
I'm painting my room in the colourful way
And when my mind is wandering
There I will go.
And it really doesn't matter if
I'm wrong I'm right
Where I belong I'm right
Where I belong.
Silly people run around they worry me
And never ask me why they don't get past my door.
I'm taking the time for a number of things
That weren't important yesterday
And I still go.
I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in
And stops my mind from wandering
Where it will go.

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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2009, 13:20 »
Does that mean they are going to be required to fix the roof of the Idle Org? ;)
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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2009, 22:02 »
Does that mean they are going to be required to fix the roof of the Idle Org? ;)

That is up for debate.  The latest proposal, according to the info pack that was posted about a week before the meeting, says this:

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There will be minor maintenance work to the building’s exterior.

I don't call a new roof minor, myself, but to an organization that has $3 million planned in interior renovations, a new roof may be small potatoes.

To be honest, I don't know if they have looked as closely at the roof as I have, through the lens of my camera.  It is in very bad shape, and all the rains this season, combined with wind storms, have made it worse to the extent that I feel certain that the leaks have allowed water into the very structure of the building.  I don't believe it is just puddles in some areas of the attic.  Disclaimer: I am not a building inspector, or a construction expert, just someone who sees gaping holes among the shingles. 



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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2009, 05:26 »
Heck, our roof is in a lot better shape than the Idle Org's, and is no doubt much newer, and the constant heavy raining this season has STILL managed to leak through on occasion. I am almost sure they have buckets and pots and pans catching drips on their top floor, so they have time to "postulate" the holes in the roof away. :)

Also, with the exterior being so poorly maintained, I am almost sure they have not bothered to get a pest control company in to help prevent pests, especially termites. I would not want to deal with the amount of vermin--four- and six- AND eight-legged--that they must have living in that building.
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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2009, 20:38 »
I'm wondering if the BBB did anything about this after the complaint was filed?

Here's the thing people don't get about the BBB. For them to do anything, the business has to be registered with the BBB, and even then, all they would do is "council" the business on how to improve their operations.

Needless to say, the only moneyhungry evil empire that likes to brainwash it's masses that I know of... is Microsoft.

The Federal Trade Commission would be the one to contact in this situation.
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Re: Sandy Springs: More about Ideal Orgs
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2009, 08:20 »
The BBB is an organization that solicits membership fees from its members, and it takes the side of their members in most, if not all, disputes that are brought before them by non-members and the general public.

A complaint to the BBB is about as useful as writing it down on a piece of paper and tossing it down the nearest storm drain, for all the effect it will have on a member in good standing who pays dues annually to the BBB. They have ZERO power to enforce any changes; all they can do is deny the members a chance to pay their dues the next year. Most of their time is spent running down businesses who are not members in good standing (because they failed to cough up the money that year) but who continue to display BBB signage, not addressing legitimate concerns of consumers.

The impression the average consumer gets is that a BBB business is a GOOD business with a decent relationship with their customers. In reality, this is far from the truth. Many unscrupulous businesses cynically pay their BBB dues precisely because the public's perception is that the BBB has somehow checked out the business and its practices and found it sound. The BBB does nothing of the sort. At one point, things may have been different, with consumer-protecting guidelines for businesses to follow if they wanted to remain BBB members in good standing, but they are definitely not that way now.
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