Author Topic: Here's how NN Int handles the news of millions of dollars of insurance fraud (Read 15064 times)

10oriocookies · « **on:** May 09, 2013, 21:12 »

http://www.prweb.com/releases/narconon-graduate/revisits-connecticut-prg/prweb10715515.htm

Recent Release of ‘The Narconon Program - 40 Years of Evidence of Recovery’ Reveals Earlier Unfound Narconon Connecticut Study

Silly little Clark Carr puts this out 2 hours after Tony O breaks the story on Georgia's millions of woes.

Mary_McConnell · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2013, 22:24 »

They are so desperate right now- digging up old baloney that went no where scientifically and since it won't impress any professionals!

ethercat · « **Reply #2 on:** May 10, 2013, 10:04 »

Quote from: Mary_McConnell on May 09, 2013, 22:24

They are so desperate right now- digging up old baloney that went no where scientifically and since it won't impress any professionals!

They don't count on it impressing professionals, they count on it impressing desperate people who don't have (or take) the time to research.

who me? · « **Reply #3 on:** May 10, 2013, 10:34 »

Fixed the headline for accuracy:
Recent Release of ‘The Narconon Program - 40 Years of Evidence of Recovery’ Reveals Earlier Unfounded Narconon Connecticut Study

ethercat · « **Reply #4 on:** May 10, 2013, 12:25 »

Love your fix, who me?

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Many studies, some with control groups, etc.,

"Some with control groups, etc." That sounds like good science, as well as good writing.

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Miller’s study found that the small research group did very well with their Narconon program -- 80% being drug abstinent, and although 30% had had criminal histories before Narconon, 0% did at the time of the survey.

Narconon can erase criminal histories!

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“We only had about 20 students then,” says Patty, now Executive Director of Friends of Narconon, International, a drug education support group based in Pasadena, California, which provides drug ed videos to some 8,000 schools across the United States. “Mr. Miller studied the results on 10 of them, primarily teenagers, and found they were doing pretty damn well. Kids are hard to help, as they don’t have drug-free lives prior to addiction to compare their drug abused behavior to.” The New London program was actively supported, reports a March 7, 1978 article from The News of Niantic, Connecticut, by senior and other volunteer groups, providing furniture, curtains, helping with a newsletter, etc.

Kids are hard to help, as they don’t have drug-free lives prior to addiction to compare their drug abused behavior to?

These kids had been addicted all their lives?

Did anyone with a working brain read this before it went up?

mefree · « **Reply #5 on:** May 12, 2013, 18:11 »

^^^^
Pathetic!

Mary_McConnell · « **Reply #6 on:** May 12, 2013, 19:59 »

The link to the studies mentioned there is down all day, lol
http://www.narconon.org/about-narconon/40-years-evidence-recovery.html

Patty Moher · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2013, 08:15 »

I was the ED NN CT. Patty O'Neill worked for me. I can attest these numbers were all fabricated.

10oriocookies · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2013, 08:46 »

Thanks Patty. Welcome!!!!!

How did they falsify the numbers?

CoolHand · « **Reply #9 on:** May 18, 2013, 09:11 »

Quote from: Patty Moher on May 18, 2013, 08:15

I was the ED NN CT. Patty O'Neill worked for me. I can attest these numbers were all fabricated.

Hey Patty! I couldn't believe they were dumb enough to make a big deal out of that, knowing that you are out and could shed light on it. It's so (un)funny to see these other "studies" as well - I mean if anyone really looks at them they can easily spot the holes. I may be writing something about the ones listed for 2007 and 2009...

mefree · « **Reply #10 on:** May 18, 2013, 09:16 »

Hi, Patty! Thanks for the info and welcome.

ethercat · « **Reply #11 on:** May 19, 2013, 09:30 »

Quote from: Mary_McConnell on May 12, 2013, 19:59

The link to the studies mentioned there is ......... lol
http://www.narconon.org/about-narconon/40-years-evidence-recovery.html

Yes, they've apparently got an SP in their ranks.

I see what the problem is, but I'm not going to tell them. Some things are better left unsaid.

Quote from: Patty Moher on May 18, 2013, 08:15

I was the ED NN CT. Patty O'Neill worked for me. I can attest these numbers were all fabricated.

Welcome, Patty. I'm curious, too, how they fabricated the numbers. Did they just make them up totally, or did they fudge some other numbers they had?

Patty Moher · « **Reply #12 on:** May 20, 2013, 08:02 »

Quote from: 10oriocookies on May 18, 2013, 08:46

Thanks Patty. Welcome!!!!!

How did they falsify the numbers?

How? I made them all up. Personally. I knew the numbers were awful, I knew they wanted to show great results. Being a Scio I thought oh well, greatest good and all that and so just pulled those numbers right out of my ass.

Consider this my confession. I personally fudged all the numbers because I knew it's what they wanted. There was no study. I just made them up.

10oriocookies · « **Reply #13 on:** May 20, 2013, 08:08 »

Thanks so much for your honesty, Patty.

Narconon Lurkers: There you have it. Another one of your studies debunked with the truth.

CoolHand · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2013, 13:10 »

I took some time to read through the document Narconon International put together and broke it down here:

http://www.haveyoutoldall.com/narconon-proves-their-own-claims-fraudulent/

10oriocookies · « **Reply #15 on:** May 22, 2013, 17:11 »

Good job Luke. We need to do our own study.

mefree · « **Reply #16 on:** May 22, 2013, 17:47 »

Very nice, Lucas. It's important to shine a light on the false success rates.

ethercat · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2013, 09:27 »

Quote from: CoolHand on May 22, 2013, 13:10

I took some time to read through the document Narconon International put together and broke it down here:

http://www.haveyoutoldall.com/narconon-proves-their-own-claims-fraudulent/

Good job, Luke. It's so common that they ignore the data that doesn't fit in to make their numbers work out. It would shake things up significantly to have a professional statistician take a look at their "studies". Just like it shakes things up to have legitimate addiction specialists evaluate their program methods, in theory and in practice.

Thanks for calling BS.

Quote from: Patty Moher on May 20, 2013, 08:02

Quote from: 10oriocookies on May 18, 2013, 08:46
Thanks Patty. Welcome!!!!!

How did they falsify the numbers?

How? I made them all up. Personally. I knew the numbers were awful, I knew they wanted to show great results. Being a Scio I thought oh well, greatest good and all that and so just pulled those numbers right out of my ass.

Consider this my confession. I personally fudged all the numbers because I knew it's what they wanted. There was no study. I just made them up.

Thanks, Patty. Nice to have you calling BS too. I know it's been a while since you were at Narconon in Connecticut (and since they closed), but have you noticed any differences in the way the Narconons operate generally since you were there, based on more recent reports you've read?

10oriocookies · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2013, 16:41 »

http://wuisnews.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/house-rejects-study-with-ties-to-scientology/

Sunshine · « **Reply #19 on:** May 23, 2013, 19:39 »

If you look at Narconon Arrowhead, Narconon Vista Bay and Narconon SoCal's (Newport Beach was part of SoCal in 2009) Form 990 (tax return) for the year 2009.

Arrowhead graduated 531, Vista Bay 195 and SoCal 550; SoCal is comprised of several facilities so lets say 100 graduated at Newport for a total of 826 graduates.

Vista Bay does say 386 started the program and 195 graduted for a 49.5% failure rate, pretty sad when they advertise 70% or greater when one out of two will not even complete the program.