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Narconon and Other Scientology Front Groups => Narconon in Georgia => Topic started by: mefree on October 29, 2011, 13:02

Title: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on October 29, 2011, 13:02
Documents to follow.

Some readers may remember the name Patrick W. Desmond.  Patrick was a 28 year old young man with an alcohol problem who died while under the care of Narconon of Georgia. Critics first became aware of Patrick's death in 2008.  See http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/de38ffe911ddc28e

As the result of a 2007 DUI, Patrick was mandated to residential treatment by a drug court in Brevard County, Florida. His family researched drug treatment options on the internet, found Narconon and contacted Narconon of Georgia, for more information. Allegedly, Narconon staff members including the Executive Director, Mary Rieser, represented Narconon of Georgia to the Desmond family and to the Drug Court Manager, Lisa Mooty, as a residential treatment program that provided monitoring of clients at all times.

In fact, Narconon of Georgia is licensed only to operate as an outpatient drug treatment program and is specifically restricted to providing treatment in a non-residential setting

Critics kept Patrick's memory alive with candlelight vigils (http://youtu.be/ARl_CkPE_m8), until they discovered that a personal injury and wrongful death civil suit had been filed in DeKalb County. The lawsuit alleges that Patrick was allowed to leave poorly supervised, off-campus housing, introduced to heroin for the first time and ultimately overdosed resulting in his death.

Patrick's family and friends loved him dearly.  As we wait for the conclusion of this case, we hope, as they do, for justice to be done.
http://www2.mem.com/apps/movie/ViewMovie.aspx?id=10737173

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Case number:10A28641. The docket is found at http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org/

Title: The Desmond Family v. Narconon - List of Court Files
Post by: ethercat on October 29, 2011, 20:35
The list of court documents follows, but first I would like to ask anyone who has any information that may be useful in this case to please post it here in this thread, so it can be easily found.

PATRICK C. DESMOND AND MARY
C. DESMOND, INDIVIDUALLY, AND
MARY C. DESMOND, AS
ADMINISTRATRIX OF THE ESTATE
OF PATRICK W. DESMOND,
Plaintiffs,
v.
NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC.
DELGADO DEVELOPMENT, INC,
SOVEREIGN PLACE, LLC, SOVEREIGN
PLACE APARTMENT MANAGEMENT,
INC., LISA CAROLINA ROBBINS, M.D.
THE ROBBINS GROUP, INC., and
NARCONON INTERNATIONAL,
Defendants.



http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-ComplaintForWrongfulDeathPainSufferingAndOtherDamages.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-ComplaintForWrongfulDeathPainSufferingAndOtherDamages-ExihibitA-AffidavitOfDavidESmithMD.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-MotionToAppointSpecialAgentToServeProcess.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstInterrogatoriesToDelgadoDevelopmentInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstInterrogatoriesToLisaCarolinaRobbinsMD.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstInterrogatoriesToNarcononInternational.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstInterrogatoriesToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstInterrogatoriesToSovereignPlaceApartmentManagementInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstInterrogatoriesToSovereignPlaceLLC.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstInterrogatoriesToTheRobbinsGroupInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstRequestForAdmissionsToDelgadoDevelopmentInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstRequestForAdmissionsToSovereignPlaceApartmentManagementInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstRequestForAdmissionsToSovereignPlaceLLC.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToDelgadoDevelopmentInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNarcononInternational.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToSovereignPlaceApartmentManagementInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-19-PlaintiffsFirstRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToSovereignPlaceLLC.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-21-OrderAppointingJBashamAsSpecialAgentForProcessServer.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-24-NoticeOfServiceOfLisaCarolinaRobbins.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-24-NoticeOfServiceOfTheRobbinsGroupInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-26-NoticeOfServiceOfMariaDelgadoDelgadoDevelopmentInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-26-NoticeOfServiceOfNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-27-NoticeOfServiceOfSovereignPlaceApartmentManagement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-05-27-NoticeOfServiceOfSovereignPlaceLLC.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-06-10-NoticeOfNotoriousServiceOfNathaliaHashiguchiForNarcononInternational.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-06-14-AnswerOfLisaCarolinaRobbinsMDAndTheRobbinsGroupInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-06-14-JuryDemand-LisaCarolinaRobbinsMDAndTheRobbinsGroupIncDemandForAJuryOfTwelve.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-06-22-ADR-Refused-LisaCarolinaRobbinsMDAndTheRobbinsGroupInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-06-23-NoticeOfChangeOfAddress-WeinbergWheelerHudginsGunnDial.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-06-24-AnswerOfDefendantsSovereignPlaceLLCAndSovereignPlaceApartmentManagementInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-06-24-StipulationExtendingTimeToRespondToComplaintForNNIntNNGaDelgadoDevelopment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-06-ResponseOfLisaCarolinaRobbinsMDToPlaintiffsFirstRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-09-StipulationExtendingTimeToRespondToDiscoveryForNNIntNNGaDelgadoDevelopment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-12-AnswerOfNarcononInternational.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-12-AnswerOfNarcononOfGeorgiaInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-12-JuryDemand-NarcononInternationalDemandForAJuryOfTwelve.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-12-JuryDemand-NarcononOfGeorgiaDemandForAJuryOfTwelve.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-12-ResponsesOfLisaCarolinaRobbinsMDToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-12-ResponsesOfTheRobbinsGroupToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-12-StipulationExtendingTimeToRespondToComplaintForDelgadoDevelopment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-13-CertificateOfServiceResponsesOfLisaCarolinaRobbinsAndTheRobbinsGroup.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-19-CertificateOfService-LisaCarolinaRobbins.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-19-Rule52Certificate-SovereignPlaceAdmissionsFirstInterrogatoriesAndReqForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-19-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NarcononOfGeorgiaAndNarcononInternationalFirstInterrogatoriesAndReqForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-07-26-AnswerAndDefensesOfDelgadoDevelopmentInc-JuryDemand.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-02-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NarcononOfGeorgiaAndNarcononInternationalObjectionsAndResponses.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-03-NoticeOfLeaveOfAbsence-MelanieCEyre.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-04-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-DelgadoDevelopmentResponseToRequestForAdmissionsFirstInterrogatoriesAndProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-12-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NNIntAndNNGaNoticeOfTakingDepositionOfMaryCAndPatrickCDesmond.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-13-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-RequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNon-PartyDeKalb-County-Fire-Rescue.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-17-ADR-Refused-LisaCarolinaRobbinsMDAndTheRobbinsGroupInc.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-23-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-PlaintiffsResponsesToLisaCarolinaRobbinsAndTheRobbinsGroup.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-27-NoticeOfChangeOfAddress-HarrisPennLowry.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-08-28-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-PlaintiffsRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNon-PartyGeorgiaDepartmentOfHumanResources.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-09-07-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-PlaintiffsFirstSupplementalResponses.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-09-21-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-PlaintiffsSecondRequest.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-14-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfLisaCarolinaRobbinsMD.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-20-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfMaryRieser.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-21-Rule52CertificateOfDiscoveryNNIntAndNNGaResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffsSecond.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-26-Rule52Certificate-NoticeOfAppearanceOfCounselJeffreyNAmason.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-26-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfMariaDelgado.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-01-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfMariaDelgado.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-03-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfDonDelgado.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-16-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-PlaintiffsThirdRequest.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-18-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-PlaintiffsSupplementalResponse.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-24-ADR-Agree.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-07-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-NoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfLisaMooty.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-10-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-2ndAmendedNoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfLisaMooty.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-10-Rule52CertificateOfDiscovery-AmendedNoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfLisaMootyAndBradTaylor.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-17-NoticeOfLeaveOfAbsence-RobertGTanner.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-17-Rule52CertificateOfDiscoveryNNIntAndNNGaResponsesToSecondAndThird.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-20-Rule52CertificateOfDiscoverySovereignPlaceResponsesToSecond.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-22-CertificateOfService-LisaCarolinaRobbinsResponsesToFirstAndSecond.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-29-StipulationAndConfidentialityAgreement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-05-ProtectiveOrderSignedByJudge.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-05-Rule52AmendmentToNarcononOfGeorgiasResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffsFirstAndSecondInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-06-NoticeOfLeaveOfAbsence-RobertGTanner.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-07-Rule52AmendmentToNarcononOfGeorgiasResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffsFirstAndSecondInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-14-Rule52DelgadosResponsesToPlaintiffsSecondRequestForProductionOfDocumentsAndSecondInterrogatories.pdf (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-14-Rule52DelgadosResponsesToPlaintiffsSecondRequestForProductionOfDocumentsAndSecondInterrogatories.pdf)

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-19-NarcononOfGeorgia'sRequestForProductionToLisaMooty.p df (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-19-NarcononOfGeorgia'sRequestForProductionToLisaMooty.pdf)

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-28-ConsentOrderExtendingDiscovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-28-NarcononOfGeorgiasSecondInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffAndSecondRequestToPlaintiffsForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-31-PlaintiffsNoticeToTake30b6DepositionOfSovereignPlaceLLC.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-07-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeDepositionOfMaryRieser.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-18-NNIntAmendedResponsesToPlaintiffsSecondRequestAndNNGaAmendedResponsesToPlaintiffsThirdRequest.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-22-NoticeOfChangeOfAddressOfCounselRebeccaFranklin.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-22-ProtectiveOrderStipulationAndConfidentialityAgreement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-25-OrderOfRecusal-DelCampo.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-03-01-OrderReassigningCaseToDivision1.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-03-03-Rule52PlaintiffsResponsesToNarcononOfGeorgiasSecondInterrogatoriesAndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-03-08-Rule52NarcononOfGeorgiasSubpoenaForProductionOfEvidence.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-03-16-OrderToReturnCaseToDivision2.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-03-22-Rule52PlaintiffsSupplementalResponseToNarcononOfGeorgiasSecondInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-03-30-JointMotionForDismissalOfSovereignPlaceLLCAndSovereignPlaceApartmentManagement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-03-30-LetterToJudge-JointMotionForDismissalOfSovereignPlaceLLCAndSovereignPlaceApartmentManagement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-04-07-ConsentOrderForDismissalOfSovereignPlaceLLCAndSovereignPlaceApartmentManagement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-04-20-NoticeOfLeaveOfAbsence-KathrynSWhitlock.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-25-BriefInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionsForSanctions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-25-MotionToExtendTimeForDiscovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-25-PlaintiffsMotionsForSanctions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-26-DefendantsMotionToCompel.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-26-NoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery-NNGa.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-26-OrderToExtendTimeForDiscovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-26-OriginalDiscovery-NarcononOfGeorgiasFirstInterrogatoriesToPlaintiff.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-26-PlaintiffsBriefInSupportOfDefendantsMotionToCompel.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-26-RequestForFilingOriginalDiscovery-NNGa.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-27-BriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions-NNGaAndNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-24-BriefInResponseToPlaintiffsMotionToExtendTimeForDiscovery-NNGaAndNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-27-BriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions-ExhibitA.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-27-BriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions-ExhibitB.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-27-BriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions-ExhibitC.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-27-BriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions-ExhibitD.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-27-BriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions-ExhibitE.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-28-PlaintiffsResponseToNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToCompel.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-07-NoticeOfMotionsCalendar.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-11-ReplyBriefInSupportOfNNGaMotionToCompel.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-11-ReplyBriefInSupportOfNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToCompel-ExhibitA.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-11-ReplyBriefInSupportOfNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToCompel-ExhibitB.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-11-ReplyBriefInSupportOfNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToCompel-ExhibitC.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-11-ReplyBriefInSupportOfNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToCompel-ExhibitD.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-11-ReplyBriefInSupportOfNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToCompel-ExhibitE.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-11-ReplyBriefInSupportOfNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToCompel-ExhibitF.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-11-ReplyBriefInSupportOfNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToCompel-ExhibitG.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-07-20-NoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery-PlaintiffsResponsesToNarcononOfGeorgias1stInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-03-OrderAllowingPlaintiffsToBringAndInstallCertainMultiMediaEquipment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-04-OrderAllowingDefendantsNNIntAndNNGaToBringAndInstallCertainMultiMediaEquipment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-11-LetterFromBarbaraAMarschalkViaHandDeliveryLetterToJudgeStaceyHydrick.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-11-StandingOrderAndInstructionsToPartiesAndCounsels.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-18-Rule52CertificateServiceOfDiscoveryNoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfMaryRieser.pdf

A zip file (~40mb) containing all of the files listed above is here: http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-ZippedDocuments-2010-05-19Through2011-08-18.zip
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 30, 2011, 16:31

Plaintiff's Brief in Support of Sanctions: Mary Rieser's attorney acting like an idiot everytime Mary opens her mouth and says what her lawyer does not want her to say, lol!
The depo is very interesting
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-25-BriefInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionsForSanctions.pdf

Sanctions against Narconon's lawyer ok'd by the Judge. Letter from Rieser attorney pleading for mercy, lol
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-11-LetterFromBarbaraAMarschalkViaHandDeliveryLetterToJudgeStaceyHydrick.pdf

The 911 call on tape (it takes a minute to start) :
http://www.hark.com/clips/fzyrglkmwq-911-call-to-save-patrick-w-desmond-narconon-client

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: tikk on October 30, 2011, 18:08
Thanks for the gap-filling, I'll continue to monitor too over at WPP thread, here.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/patrick-desmond-v-narconon-wrongful-death-suit.95405/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on October 30, 2011, 18:15
Thanks, tikk. You may find Mary Rieser's deposition of interest. I believe it is Exhibit E.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-27-BriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions-ExhibitE.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 30, 2011, 18:34
Great to see you here, tikk.  Did you notice that Helena Kobrin was at Mary Rieser's depo? 

(I know the Kobra has a lot of fans on the net.)

From the depo:
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page 21
15 Q. Okay.  After you met the minister in Oklahoma,
16 what did you do in order to start the Narconon of
17 Georgia program?
18 A. Well we didn't start it right then. I met a
19 lunch over — I mean, I met a judge over lunch one day,
20 Judge Riley, and I was just introduced to him. And he
21 asked me to describe the Narconon program, and I did,
22 and he said, 'We would like that for offenders.1' There
23 was a problem at the time of a lot of crack cocaine in
24 the city. And I mentioned this other person, and he was
25 very happy that we would work with this other person

page 22
1 because it represented several Christian churches in
2 town. And he said, " If you open one, I'll send people
3 to you, and I'll try to get funding."

page 23
11 Q. All right.  And do you know, what's
12 Judge Riley's first name?
13 A. I dont remember his first name. He leads
14 Atlanta city court.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 30, 2011, 22:18
Lord! :o Mary Rieser got most of her rehab knowledge and training @ the Chilloco Oklahoma NarCONon facility? When I filmed there it was never ever presented as a training center. It was presented as part of the Church of Scientology. It at that time was an inpatient treatment facility fully funded and supported by the Church of Scientology.

All printed material were made by the church. All staff were from the church. All e-meters were provided by the church etc,etc. Yes, Auditing was done on the clients.

Guess what happened to the Chilloco Oklahoma narCONon facility? It is CLOSED for failure to deliver promised services among other things.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on October 31, 2011, 02:27
WOW! All you work so very hard on all of this; indeed an in spriration. :)

My lawyer will love to see all this.

(((HUGS))) to ALL :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: skydog on October 31, 2011, 08:01
Thanks EC, you deserve a goldenrod for this.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 31, 2011, 15:12


Sanctions against Narconon's lawyer ok'd by the Judge.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-11-LetterFromBarbaraAMarschalkViaHandDeliveryLetterToJudgeStaceyHydrick.pdf

 I can not seem to find where the Dekalb co judge ok,d the sanctions against the defendants lawyer. Could someone please steer me in that direction if this is the case? Thanks.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 31, 2011, 18:17
I can not seem to find where the Dekalb co judge ok,d the sanctions against the defendants lawyer. Could someone please steer me in that direction if this is the case? Thanks.

There was a motions hearing on Aug. 4.  I was not there, so I don't know exactly what happened.  I surmise that the sanctions were granted from the "cult whining" letter and from the fact that there is a new notice to take video deposition of Mary Rieser  (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-18-Rule52CertificateServiceOfDiscoveryNoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfMaryRieser.pdf)and an order on the docket requiring Narconon to pay for Mary Rieser's first deposition (which were both requested in the Motion for Sanctions - a second depo and that Narconon pay for the first).  Also, the issuance of the Standing Order and Instructions to Counsel telling them how to behave in depositions would support that idea.

Quote
Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date      06-SEP-2011
Associated Party      None
Text      
     DEFT NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC SHALL PAY PLTF'S COSTS, IN AN AMOUNT TO BE DETERMINED AT A HEARING, INCURRED IN THE FEBRUARY 23, 2011 DEPOSITION OF MARY RIESER - THE COURT DENIES DEFT'S AUGUST 8TH REQUEST TO RECONSIDER (SEE ORDER) TYS

I don't know whether it is required to enter a document for rulings made in court, perhaps someone else knows.  I feel pretty certain if it were required, there would be one.

Also, one note for accuracy - this is not a Dekalb Co. judge, it is a State of Georgia judge in Dekalb Co. 

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 31, 2011, 18:21
The judge did then file orders on how the court will proceed as a result of the issue of proceedure to avoid sanctions
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-11-StandingOrderAndInstructionsToPartiesAndCounsels.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 31, 2011, 19:01
The judge did then file orders on how the court will proceed as a result of the issue of proceedure to avoid sanctions
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-11-StandingOrderAndInstructionsToPartiesAndCounsels.pdf
Thank you.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: tikk on October 31, 2011, 20:04
Thanks, tikk. You may find Mary Rieser's deposition of interest. I believe it is Exhibit E.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-06-27-BriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions-ExhibitE.pdf

I went through it some but it's a bit confusing because it's missing lots of pages. Not sure how much can really be discerned from what's there except her lawyers didn't want her answering anything. Whenever there's an order for a second deposition + a video requirement, it means the first deposition was not only disastrous, but there was more going on than what can be inferred from the transcript. It means there's some intangible aspects the plaintiffs want to be able to convey to the judge.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on October 31, 2011, 20:46
I went through it some but it's a bit confusing because it's missing lots of pages. Not sure how much can really be discerned from what's there except her lawyers didn't want her answering anything. Whenever there's an order for a second deposition + a video requirement, it means the first deposition was not only disastrous, but there was more going on than what can be inferred from the transcript. It means there's some intangible aspects the plaintiffs want to be able to convey to the judge.

I apologize. I gave you the wrong link. Try this one:

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-25-BriefInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionsForSanctions.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 31, 2011, 21:28
The plaintiffs filed the entire Mary Rieser depo with their Brief (4 to a page), and then Narconon filed pieces of it with their Brief in Opposition (1 page at a time).

I believe all of the depositions have been scheduled as video depositions.  I would love to see the videos.   

Thanks EC, you deserve a goldenrod for this.

Thanks, skydog.  Free deserves a round of applause too, though, because she helped me keep all the papers in order while I scanned. 

My lawyer will love to see all this.

Great!  I hope he can put it all to good use. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: skydog on November 04, 2011, 07:48
I nominate Free for a goldenrod too.

There is a picture of Mary Reiser, ED of Narconon on their facebook page. She is the first lady on the right in the blue dress.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.431565509290.230737.68292324290&type=1
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 04, 2011, 07:53
I nominate Free for a goldenrod too.

There is a picture of Mary Reiser, ED of Narconon on their facebook page. She is the first lady on the right in the blue dress.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.431565509290.230737.68292324290&type=1

SkyDog. Pictures of all the players can be found @ the following link.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=33257

he one picture of Maria Delgado was taken @ a Sandy Springs zoning meeting.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 04, 2011, 08:06
I nominate Free for a goldenrod too.

There is a picture of Mary Reiser, ED of Narconon on their facebook page. She is the first lady on the right in the blue dress.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.431565509290.230737.68292324290&type=1
Thanks, I think ;)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: thetanbuster on November 15, 2011, 10:43
What a sad story. I still recall their (out of thin air) estimate that 90% of their clients are cured, and am with holding my ugly comments, other than to say that I do not know  scientologist that could pass a statistics course.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 15, 2011, 11:37
What a sad story. I still recall their (out of thin air) estimate that 90% of their clients are cured, and am with holding my ugly comments, other than to say that I do not know  scientologist that could pass a statistics course.

I think you will find that CoS statistics generally defy logic.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on November 20, 2011, 10:56
I've added Patrick Desmond's name to the Narconon Deaths list:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,402.0.html

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 22, 2011, 21:36
This is good. Readers need to know that Narconon can be a deadly program.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 20, 2011, 20:46
What a sad story. I still recall their (out of thin air) estimate that 90% of their clients are cured, and am with holding my ugly comments, other than to say that I do not know  scientologist that could pass a statistics course.

 \--O--/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 20, 2011, 20:53
Here are some links to related documents Gumby posted in jpg form on OCMB last year. I thought it was important to have them accessable onthe same thread here with the complaints and documents obtained from the court. Additionally the thread on OCMB takes way too long to upload because of all the embedded jpgs there. Here you can just click a link and see each individually.

I hope to title each sometime soon but in the meantime, just know you will find the 911 and police interview and investigation reports, medical examiner report, among other things.

http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg2-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg1-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg3-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg4-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg5-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg16.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg9-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg10-1-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg7-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg8-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg11-1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg12.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg13.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg13.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/pg14.jpg
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 20, 2011, 21:39
I nominate Free for a goldenrod too.

There is a picture of Mary Reiser, ED of Narconon on their facebook page. She is the first lady on the right in the blue dress.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.431565509290.230737.68292324290&type=1

SkyDog. Pictures of all the players can be found @ the following link.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=33257

he one picture of Maria Delgado was taken @ a Sandy Springs zoning meeting.

That thread takes so long to load. Better to just post a link to the jpg of the particular photo.

I know that this is what I did on the individual docs from that thread ( recently posted here in Patrick Desmond case thread ) because it's torture for people to wait for that thread to load for all  the images that is posted on it. I figure that is why there were so few comments on it. Those docs are a treasure and I wanted to see them with the court docs in one place without the agata
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on March 17, 2012, 11:36
Notice: Two posters from this thread deserve their own threads.

howardheidi:
Narconon of Georgia False Representation (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9941.0.html): http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9941.0.html

SomeonesSister:
Narconon of Georgia Questionable Housing (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9939.0.html): http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9939.0.html

New Patrick Desmond documents are coming soon. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on March 25, 2012, 16:08
Today is the 3rd Anniversary of Reaching for the Tipping Point, so Happy Anniversary to all of our supporters; we got you a gift.   Thanks to the donor who paid for this gift - we all appreciate it!   oo==$$  oo==$$  oo==$$

New documents in the Patrick Desmond Wrongful Death case against Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International (as well as some others) - Happy Reading to all of you document loving people!

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-11-LetterToJudgeHydrick-Plaintiff.pdf

This next document was posted previously, but we ended up with a second copy with this latest go-round of the delightful game of Records Retrieval at the Courthouse of DeKalb County.  This second copy happens to have a page that was missing from the previous batch of papers - how coincidental and/or interesting.  Or maybe it's just incompetence.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-11-StandingOrderAndInstructionsToPartiesAndCounsels-WithAddedMissingPageFromPrevious.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-15-LetterToJudgeHydrick-BarbaraMarshalk.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-18-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfMaryRieser.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-24-NoticeToTakeDepositionOfGeraldTGowittMD.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-29-ProposedOrderFromPlaintiffsOnPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-30-ConsentSchedulingOrder.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-30-LetterToJudgeHydrickFromLisaRobbins.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-30-ProposedOrderByLisaRobbins.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-08-30-ProposedOrderByNarconons.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-06-JudgesOrderFor2ndDepositionOfMaryRieser-NNGaToPayCosts.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-16-Rule52-PlaintiffsAmendedNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfBradTaylor.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-16-Rule52-PlaintiffsNoticesToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfBradTaylorAndBrandonOrmsby.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-30-Rule52-Plaintiffs2ndAmendedNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfBradTaylor.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-03-Rule52-PlaintiffsSupplementalResponsetoNarcononOfGeorgiasSecondRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-04-NoticeOfLeaveOfAbsense-SeanLHynes.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-04-Rule52-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfNicholasParsons.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-04-Rule52-RequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNon-PartyBrevardCountyCourt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-06-Delgados1stInterrogatoriesAndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-07-Rule52-NarcononOfGeorgiaIncsThirdRequestToPlaintiffsForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-07-Rule52-NoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfMariaDelgadoAndDonDelgado.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-13-PlaintiffsAmendedNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfNicholasParsons3rdAmendedNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfBradTaylorAndSubpoenasForMariaAndDonDelgado.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-17-BriefInSupportOfDelgadoMotionForProtectiveOrder.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-17-DelgadoMotionForProtectiveOrder.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-17-Rule52-PlaintiffsRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNon-PartyGeorgiaDepartmentOfCommunityHealth.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-19-Rule52-NarcononsRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNon-PartyArrendaleStatePrison.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-Rule52-Delgado2ndInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-31-Rule52-Narconons3rdInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffsAnd4thRequestToPlaintiffsForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-31-Rule52-NarcononsRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNonpartyVerizonWireless.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-31-Rule52-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfTraceyStepler.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-07-Rule52-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionsOfBradTaylorAndRandyTaylor-ResponseToNarconons3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments-Delgados1stInterrogatoriesAndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-17-Rule52-NarcononsSubpoenaDucesTecumToNonpartyGeorgiaDepartmentOfCorrections.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-21-Rule52-LisaRobbinsMotionForIssuanceOfACommissionForOutOfStateSubpoenaForProductionOfDocumentsToBridgesOfAmerica.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-28-AmendedAnswerOfNarcononInternational.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-28-AmendedAnswerOfNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-28-NarcononInternationalsPrivilegeLog.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-28-NarcononOfGeorgiasPrivilegeLog.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-28-Rule52-NarcononsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs1st-2nd-InterrogatoriesAndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-29-Rule52-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfJetteMcGregor.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-01-Rule52-Narconons4thInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-01-Rule52-PlaintiffsResponsesToNarconons3rdInterrogatoriesAnd4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-05-Rule52-NarcononOfGeorgiasSupplementToAmendedResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-07-Rule52-CommissionToIssueOutOfStateSubpoenaDucesTecumToBridgesOfAmerica.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-12-Narconons5thInterrogatoriesAndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-15-LisaRobbinsNon-PartyRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToBridgesOfAmerica.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-19-NarcononsWithdrawalOfNoticeOfDepositionOfStevenLynnMD.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-19-Rule52-Plaintiffs2ndSupplementalResponseToNarconons1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

This is perhaps a misfiling, as I cannot find Michael D. Rosenbloum listed anywhere in reference to this case.  Whoever you are, Mr. Rosenbloum, I hope you enjoy all the time off.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-21-NoticeOfLeaveOfAbsense-MichaelDRosembloum.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-23-CertOfServiceNoticeOfSubstitutionOfCounsel.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-28-Rule52-PlaintiffsResponsesToNarconons4thInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-28-SubstituteCounselForKathrynSWhitlock-StevenAMiller-BarbaraAMarschalk.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-13-PlaintiffsResponsesToNarcononOfGeorgias5thInterrogatoriesAndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-26-NarcononInternationalsAmendedPrivilegeLog.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-26-NoticeOfFilingNarcononInternationalsAmendedPrivilegeLog.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-26-Rule52-NarcononInternationalsSupplementalResponseToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-01-NoticeOfLeaveOfAbsense-RebeccaFranklin.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-02-CertOfService-LisaRobbinsSupplementalResponseToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-03-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeVideotapeDepositionOfNinaEdidin.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-09-Rule52-Narconons1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-14-Rule52-Plaintiffs3rdAnd4thRequestsForPriductionOfDocuments-NoticesToTakeVideotapeDepositionsOfReverendJerryJamesMcLaughlin-LouisAdolphCasalMD-ScottSchulmanMD.pdf


Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on March 25, 2012, 16:45
Happy Anniversary :888-O @->-->---
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 25, 2012, 19:18
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Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on March 25, 2012, 22:36
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Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on March 30, 2012, 22:06
Here are some more:

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-24-NoticeOfLeaveOfAbsence-SeanLHynes.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-29-PlaintiffsAmendedNoticesToTakeVideotapeDepositionsOfReverendJerryJamesMcLaughlin-LouisAdolphCasalMD-ScottShulmanMD.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-16-Rule52-LisaRobbinsSupplementToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatoriesAndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-19-Rule52-DelgadosResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs3rdRequesrtForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-20-Rule52-LisaRobbinsSupplementToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatoriesAndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-MotionForOrderAllowingPlaintiffsToInstallAndBringMultimediaEquip.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-Rule52-NarcononInts3rdRequesrForProductionOfDocuments-NarcononOfGeorgiasResponseToPlaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-Rule52-NarcononOfGeorgias1stRequesrForAdmissionsToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-Rule52-Plaintiffs2ndResponseToNNGAs1stInterrogatories-4thRequestForProductionOfDocsToNNInt-5thRequestForProductionOfDocsToNNGA.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-22-OrderAllowingPlaintiffsToInstallAndBringMultimediaEquip.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-23-DeclarationOfMaryRieser.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-NarcononOfGeorgiasSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

In this batch, the most interesting will undoubtedly be Mary Rieser's Declaration (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-23-DeclarationOfMaryRieser.pdf).


Just you can get an idea of what all this looks like:
(http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/Folders.jpg)

And a sneak preview of what's coming tomorrow:
(http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/OMG.jpg)



 /o:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 30, 2012, 22:30
 L-O-: Looking forward to whatever ST has in his hands, for sure!!

Thanks for the docs.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on March 30, 2012, 23:06
Sleep with the knowledge justice is being served. Then tomorrow a.m brew a large pot of coffee cause a clear head will be needed to really let this sink in!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on March 30, 2012, 23:30
Looking forward to the complete docs.

 cU#__
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 31, 2012, 16:42
 :-\ Waiting on  the  ||||9000|||| that SocialTransparency is holding there!
Title: RICO - The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on March 31, 2012, 20:43
This is one that everyone who has even the least bit of interest in this case will want to read.

|*\                                                                                 /*|


Plaintiffs Patrick C. Desmond and Mary C. Desmond, individually,
and Mary C. Desmond, as Administratrix of the Estate of Patrick W. Desmond,
file this First Amended Complaint.

The Plaintiffs add counts of Civil RICO
by Fraudulent Statements to a Government Agency,
Mail Fraud, and Theft by Deception.


Plaintiffs hereby incorporate by reference each
allegation, count, claim, request for damages, and
all supporting evidence set out in their Original Complaint.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-PlaintiffFirstAmendedComplaintToAddAllegationsAndClaims.pdf

Please post and discuss any bits from it that interest or excite you.  The PDF has been OCR'ed and you should be able to easily copy and paste from it. 

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 31, 2012, 21:36
OMG! This is such a wonderful surprise!! Thanks for posting this!! Definately a must read. RICO is a most serious thing:

CIVIL RICO
by Law Office of John H. Watson in GA
 
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO)

Sometimes there are extraordinary remedies available in addition to the normal lawsuit to enforce a business obligation.  One such possible course of action is civil RICO. 

RICO stands for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations. 

It was enacted as a federal law to combat organized crime, and many states adopted similar laws. 

In addition to the strict criminal provisions, there are civil provisions.  This will address the Georgia RICO laws.....
http://jhwatsonlaw.com/Civil%20RICO.htm
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on March 31, 2012, 21:49
Thanks for that link on civil RICO, Mary.

The amended complaint is very thorough. I am just extremely sad for this family after re-reading the events that led to Patrick Desmond's death. 

:'(


Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 31, 2012, 22:12
Yes, mefree, same here. Looks like Brandon Ormsby, who called 911, omitted to the police that he was a current student of Narconon - looks like the 'hotel' he was in was one NN GA sent him to, probably for discipline purposes as some were as described in the complaint.
Title: Re: RICO - The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on March 31, 2012, 22:46
This is one that everyone who has even the least bit of interest in this case will want to read.

|*\                                                                                 /*|


Plaintiffs Patrick C. Desmond and Mary C. Desmond, individually,
and Mary C. Desmond, as Administratrix of the Estate of Patrick W. Desmond,
file this First Amended Complaint.

The Plaintiffs add counts of Civil RICO
by Fraudulent Statements to a Government Agency,
Mail Fraud, and Theft by Deception.


Plaintiffs hereby incorporate by reference each
allegation, count, claim, request for damages, and
all supporting evidence set out in their Original Complaint.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-PlaintiffFirstAmendedComplaintToAddAllegationsAndClaims.pdf

Please post and discuss any bits from it that interest or excite you.  The PDF has been OCR'ed and you should be able to easily copy and paste from it.
I worry that the current housing situation could be running outside gov licensing or oversite. Mirroring what has already happened.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 01, 2012, 00:05
regarding that link, I forgot to mention that it also states that the judge can refer the complaint to the authorities for prosecution!  ooo}
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 01, 2012, 10:01
regarding that link, I forgot to mention that it also states that the judge can refer the complaint to the authorities for prosecution!  ooo}
 

 Prosecution is very much needed. This is in my opinion just the tip of the iceberg so to speak. A decades long fraud has been perpetrated. That fraud @ its core originated within a so called church here in Georgia. This fraud tragically ended with the loss of an innocent life. This fraud and others are endemic here in the State of Georgia when it comes to scientology. The Church of Scientology of Georgia is riff with fraudsters.

 My question is "WHY" does it take the life of an innocent young man to shed light on that which this fraud rose from? Why does the city of Sandy Springs Georgia " NEED" to arbitrate with this in my opinion fraudulent entity? Why does the State of Georgia "ALLOW" this fraudulent entity license to ply its ideology @ the expense of we the citizen?

 Why is it that @ this very moment Darrell Hall of Discoverycourse and Mary Rieser of NarCONon of Georgia AND NarCONon International work criminally in concert to continue this fraud unabated?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 01, 2012, 10:15
Photos of Darrell transporting these people to and fro would help document the connection.

Between that and what is noted in the complaint about the collusion scam, that should get the housing program and Narconon of Georgia closed down now.

"290-4-2-.21 Residential Transitional Treatment Programs.
Such residences provide services on an intermediate basis for clients characterized as chronic substance abusers who are transitioning to the community or to other treatment modalities, and who, typically, lack a stable living situation and require variable levels of therapeutic services. Facilities that only provide housing for persons, such as half-way houses or temporary shelters, are not subject to licensure as residential transitional treatment programs, unless the residence offers treatment services or is a supportive service owned and/or controlled by a licensed program. 
http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/docs/290/4/2/21.pdf

(e) Exclusions. The following types of entities are not subject to these specific rules:
5. Organizations or persons that provide supportive services (i.e. residence, transportation, and etc.) to drug dependent persons but do not offer or purport to offer"Drug Abuse Treatment and Educational Programs."

Support services under the direct control of licensed programs must be a part of the licensed program.
Authority O.C.G.A. Secs. 26-5-6 to 26-5-11, 26-5-14, 31-2-4. History.
Original Rule entitled “Client Care” adopted. F. Nov. 17, 1975; eff. Dec. 7, 1975. Repealed: New Rule entitled “Licenses” adopted. F. Sept. 18,1997; eff. Oct. 8, 1997.

http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/jump.cgi?ID=4385

For more info:

DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES : MENTAL HEALTH, DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES AND ADDICTIVE DISEASES : DRUG ABUSE TREATMENT AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS 
LINKS: 
 Legal Authority
290-4-2-.01

Title and Purposes
290-4-2-.02

Definitions
290-4-2-.03

Governing Body
290-4-2-.04

Licenses
290-4-2-.05

Accreditation
290-4-2-.06

Applications
290-4-2-.07

Inspections and Plans of Corrections
290-4-2-.08

Administration
290-4-2-.09

Staffing
290-4-2-.10

Physical Plant and Safety
290-4-2-.11

Food Service
290-4-2-.12

Client Referral, Intake, Assessment, and Admission  updated
290-4-2-.13

Individual Treatment Planning
290-4-2-.14

Medications
290-4-2-.15

Quality Assurance
290-4-2-.16

Discharge Summaries and Aftercare Plans
290-4-2-.17

Residential Sub-acute Detoxification Programs
290-4-2-.18

Ambulatory Detoxification Programs
290-4-2-.19

Residential Intensive Treatment Programs
290-4-2-.20

Residential Transitional Treatment Programs
290-4-2-.21

Specialized Day Treatment Programs
290-4-2-.22

Outpatient Drug Treatment Programs
290-4-2-.23

Special Programs
290-4-2-.24

Client's Rights, Responsibilities, and Complaints
290-4-2-.25

http://rules.sos.state.ga.us/pages/DEPARTMENT_OF_HUMAN_SERVICES/MENTAL_HEALTH__DEVELOPMENTAL_DISABILITIES_AND_ADDICTIVE_DISEASES/DRUG_ABUSE_TREATMENT_AND_EDUCATION_PROGRAMS/index.html
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 01, 2012, 10:21
regarding that link, I forgot to mention that it also states that the judge can refer the complaint to the authorities for prosecution!  ooo}
 

 Prosecution is very much needed. This is in my opinion just the tip of the iceberg so to speak. A decades long fraud has been perpetrated. That fraud @ its core originated within a so called church here in Georgia. This fraud tragically ended with the loss of an innocent life. This fraud and others are endemic here in the State of Georgia when it comes to scientology. The Church of Scientology of Georgia is riff with fraudsters.

 My question is "WHY" does it take the life of an innocent young man to shed light on that which this fraud rose from? Why does the city of Sandy Springs Georgia " NEED" to arbitrate with this in my opinion fraudulent entity? Why does the State of Georgia "ALLOW" this fraudulent entity license to ply its ideology @ the expense of we the citizen?

 Why is it that @ this very moment Darrell Hall of Discoverycourse and Mary Rieser of NarCONon of Georgia AND NarCONon International work criminally in concert to continue this fraud unabated?

All good questions. It is glaringly obvious that a pattern of fraud, deception, and medical negligence exists. Yet, the state entities responsible for oversight of drug treatment have done very little, tmk.

One of the problems is the lack of collaboration between state entities. They really need to compare notes!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 01, 2012, 10:41
 How can "WE" demand a suspension of services via a governing oversight body? I mean as in this week? Darrell Hall is operating with Mary Rieser in the same fashion as she "Mary Rieser" was operating with the Delgados and others, which resulted in the tragic death of Patrick W Desmond. Nothing has changed. Zero!

 The scam continues unabated.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 01, 2012, 10:49
Got permission to quote this reply from journalist Mark Ebner after emailing him and others about the amended complaint:

"Love this. RICO is tha magic acronym for the cult's overall downfall!"

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 01, 2012, 11:47
How can "WE" demand a suspension of services via a governing oversight body? I mean as in this week? Darrell Hall is operating with Mary Rieser in the same fashion as she "Mary Rieser" was operating with the Delgados and others, which resulted in the tragic death of Patrick W Desmond. Nothing has changed. Zero!

 The scam continues unabated.

The only way that I know to attempt this is to contact each state agency. Perhaps another letter-writing campaign similar to the sheriff's project or an online petition?   
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SomeonesSister on April 01, 2012, 21:20
i'm just saying that from reading all of this I can say from what i have heard from my sister they are doing the EXACT same thing.  exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 01, 2012, 22:03
i'm just saying that from reading all of this I can say from what i have heard from my sister they are doing the EXACT same thing.  exactly the same thing.

I know! The information you gave, along with HowardHeidi has not fallen on deaf ears. 

You can alway PM ethercat with any information that you get that will help document what's going on. Like on the housing.... In the mean time, I'm praying your sister hangs in there and does not become a scientologist.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Sunshine on April 02, 2012, 23:17
Form 990 describing Narconon Int. role in the supervisions of Narconons in the Eastern US.

On PDF page 3 of Narconon Eastern United States (NEUS) Form 990 year 2006 explains the relationship of Narconon Int. to Narconon Eastern United States and the Narconons that NEUS oversees.

PDF page 17 records a 12,729.00 loan to Narconon of George with 0% interest.

PDF page 19 explains the primary purpose of NEUS under the direction of Narconon Int. One is to monitor and maintain quality delivery of Narconon services through facility inspections.
 
http://207.153.189.83/EINS/731690918/731690918_2006_03587EAF.PDF
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 02, 2012, 23:42
Yes, sunshine. Already noted, lol. These people are fools, heh?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 04, 2012, 19:03
I thought the Robbins Health Alliance website might be of interest. The super-special treatments are offered downstairs!

http://www.robbinshealth.com/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 05, 2012, 09:23
Thought The Robbins Health Alliance website might be of interest. The super-special treatments are offered downstairs!

http://www.robbinshealth.com/
Teeth whitening... Sweeeeeeeet!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 15, 2012, 18:35

Hi all, just to give you a sense of how serious this is, here are some of the main and RICO claims in the complaint . Keep in mind that one of the plaintiff's attorney's ( J Antonio DelCampo, was originally a judge overseeing the case when it first began.
(http://www.hpllegal.com/images/stories/bio/tony_delcampo_bio.jpg)

He retired and then joined the plaintiff team Harris Penn Lowry DelCampo, LLP. and started helping the lead attorney on it. That says much about the strength of the case.



( NNG=Narconon of Georgia; NNI = Narconon International; Delgado Development - Don and Maria Delgado, CoS Georgia

ACTS OF FALSE STATEMENTS TO A GOVERNMENT AGENCY[..]
At all relevant times, NNI heavily regulated the Narconon Life Skills Program and performed routine audits to ensure compliance with NNG's license to implement L. Ron Hubbard's "technology." NNI was routinely copied on NNG's internal memoranda concerning the operations of NNG, including NNG's emergency Urgent Directives concerning the conditions of housing at Delgado. As a result, NNI either knew or should have known that NNG was operating in violation of State regulations and had illegally incorporated a surrogate residential facility. NNI, by and through its licensing fee agreement, also profited from NNG's fraudulent scheme and is therefore associated in fact with NNG, Mary Rieser, Delgado, Maria and Don Delgado, and Dr. Robbins. [..]


THEFT BY DECEPTION AND MAIL FRAUD
117.
At all relevant times, NNG, by and through its agents, employed a scheme or artifice to defraud by representing the Narconon program as a facility that could and would provide any service, regardless of truth or accuracy, if doing so would secure the students enrollment and payment for the program.

Particularly, NNG, by and through its agents, fraudulently represented to the Desmonds and the Brevard County Drug Court that NNG was a residential treatment program and would provide treatment to Patrick for a period of six months.

119.
At all times relevant hereto, NNG's letterhead always included an "outpatient" designation when correspondence between NNG and DHR took place. However, Mary Rieser and employees acting at her direction intentionally removed the word "outpatient" from NNG's letterhead when written communication between NNG and a court agency occurred.

120.
On September 10, 2007, NNG, by and through its agent Mary Rieser, personally represented that NNG was a residential program, lasting for at least for six months. Rieser faxed the Drug Court director information providing further assurances that Patrick would be treated in a residential facility. Rieser intentionally removed the "outpatient" designation from the letterhead.

121.
NNG, in furtherance of its scheme to defraud and secure Patrick's enrollment, intentionally removed the "outpatient" designation from letterhead on correspondence directed to Patrick's criminal defense attorney, soliciting support for Patrick's enrollment in NNG.

122.
In reliance on the false and material representations of NNG, Patrick arrived at NNG on September 24, 2007. Upon his arrival, NNG, by and through its agent Rieser, accepted payment in the amount of $13,000.00 (thirteen thousand dollars) from the Desmonds for six months of residential alcohol treatment and rehabilitation.

COUNT V:
CIVIL CONSPIRACY BY NNG, NNI AND DELGADO
161.
NNG, NNI and Delgado acted together and in concert to facilitate the unlicensed and illegal operation of a drug and alcohol rehabilitation housing program at the One Sovereign Place apartment complex.
162.
The actions of NNG, NNI, and Delgado to facilitate the illegal and unlicensed operation of a drug and alcohol rehabilitation program at One Sovereign Place proximately caused Patrick Desmond's death, pain and suffering, and other damages.

COUNT VII:
FRAUD OF NNI
166.
In the immediate aftermath of the death of Patrick W. Desmond, NNI, by its agents, employees or representatives, coordinated efforts to perpetrate a fraudulent coverup of the circumstances and events leading up and resulting in his death. Such efforts included, but were not limited to the following:
a. providing intentionally false and misleading information or causing intentionally false and misleading information to be provided to law enforcement entities, to include but not be limited to the DeKalb County Medical Examiner's Office; and
b. drafting and submitting an intentionally false and misleading report dated June 19, 2008 or causing an intentionally false and misleading report dated June 19, 2008 to be drafted and submitted to the Brevard County Drug Court, supposedly pursuant to O.C.R R.G. §290-4-2.09 (13).

COUNT VIII:
CIVIL RICO FOR FALSE STATEMENTS TO A GOVERNMENT AGENCY
167.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, unlawfully acquired, maintained an interest in, and/or had control over, an enterprise or property of any nature, including money, through a pattern of racketeering activity.

168.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, unlawfully sought employment by or associated with an enterprise to either conduct or participate in, either directly or indirectly, the enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity.
169.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, are associated in fact and therefore engaged in at least two acts of racketeering activity by committing numerous counts of False Statements and Writings to a Government Agency, as defined by O.C.G.A § 16-10-20, by knowingly and willfully falsifying, concealing or covering up by trick, scheme, or other device the following material facts:

a. Knowingly and willfully falsifying and/or concealing from DHR the true nature and scope of Dr. Robbins' duties as a medical director as contemplated and required by DHR in order for NNG to obtain its 2007 ambulatory detoxification license.

b. Knowingly and willfully falsifying Joan Daniels as a clinical director on all license applications between 2004 and 2007, who is responsible for all treatment services, and/or concealing from DHR the true nature and scope of Joan Daniels' employment, which was contrary to that required by DHR for clinical directors.

c. Knowingly and willfully falsifying Robin Muse as a clinical director on NNG 2007 license application, who is responsible for all treatment services, and/or concealing from DHR the true nature and scope of Robin Muse's employment, which was contrary to that required by DHR for clinical directors.
d. Knowingly and willfully concealing from DHR that NNG was illegally operating a residential drug and rehabilitation facility without the proper licensing from the State on all license applications between 2003 and 2007.

e. Knowingly and willfully falsifying and/or concealing from DHR the detoxification component of NNG treatment regimen in its 2003 license application solely for an outpatient facility.

f. Knowingly and willfully falsifying and/or concealing from DHR NNG's compliance with creating adequate individualized treatment plans, routinely updating patient files, and creating discharge and aftercare plans on all license applications between 2003 and 2007.

g. Knowingly and willfully falsifying and/or concealing from DHR NNG compliance with ensuring a drug-free workplace on all license applications h. Knowingly and willfully concealing from DHR NNG's compliance with the DHR Rules prohibiting behavioral management techniques denying students of
essential program services on all license applications between 2003 and 2007

COUNT IX
CIVIL RICO BY MAIL FRAUD
170.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, unlawfully sought employment by or associated with an enterprise to either conduct or participate in, either directly or indirectly, the enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity.

171.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, unlawfully acquired, maintained an interest in, and/or had control over, an enterprise or property of any nature, including money, through a pattern of racketeering activity.

172.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, are associated in fact, and therefore engaged in at least two acts of racketeering activity by committing numerous counts of mail fraud in violation of 18 U.S.C.A. § 1343, by having transmitted written communication by wire or mail that was devised in scheme to defraud and/or constituted an attempt to obtain money or property by a means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises.
173.
Specifically, NNG enrolled patients sentenced to residential rehabilitation in lieu of incarceration by intentionally removing or omitting the word "outpatient" in NNG's letterhead transmitted by facsimile and/or email to the following:

a. Officers of Florida Drug Court on September 10, 2007, January 4, 2008, and June 4, 2008, as well as Patrick Desmond's criminal defense attorney on September 10, 2007.

b. Officers of the Tennessee criminal court pertaining to Bradley Taylor on January 7, 2008.

COUNT X
CIVIL RICO BY THEFT BY DECEPTIONS
174.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, unlawfully sought employment by or associated with an enterprise to either conduct or participate in, either directly or indirectly, the enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity.
175.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, unlawfully acquired, maintained an interest in, and/or had control over, an enterprise or property of any nature, including money, through a pattern of racketeering activity.
176.
NNI, NNG, Delgado, and Dr. Robbins, by and through their agents, are associated in fact, and therefore engaged in at least two acts of racketeering activity by committing theft by deception, in violation of O.C.G.A. § 16-8-3, by obtaining money by deceitful means or artful practice with the intention of depriving the owner of the property, specifically by creating or confirming an impression and/or failing to correct the false impression and/or promising to perform services in which NNG did not provide to the Florida Drug Court, Plaintiffs Patrick and Mary Desmond, the Tennessee Court, and Bradley Taylor's father in the following particulars:

a. That NNG was licensed to provide residential rehabilitation treatment.
b. That NNG would provide adequate supervision of its patients twenty four hours a
day.
c. That NNG would provide substantive education as the physiological component of
alcohol and substance abuse on the body.
d. That NNG was otherwise in compliance with applicable DHR Rules governing
drug and rehabilitation treatment facilities.

PUNITIVE DAMAGES AGAINST NARCONON AND NNI
177.
NNG and NNI acted intentionally and in concert in illegally operating an unlicensed housing program for its drug and alcohol rehabilitation patients, making intentionally false and fraudulent representations to Patrick C. Desmond, Mary C. Desmond, and the Brevard County Drug Court, and perpetrating a fraudulent cover-up of the circumstances and events leading up and resulting in the death of Patrick W. Desmond. Additionally, NNG's operation of, and NNI's knowledge of, its drug and alcohol rehabilitation program showed willful misconduct, wantonness, oppression, or that entire want of care which raises the presumption of conscious indifference to consequences.

Accordingly, Plaintiffs are entitled to an award of punitive damages pursuant to O.C.G. A. §
51-12-5.1.
WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs pray for the following relief:

1. That summons and process be issued requiring these Defendants to appear
as provided by law to answer the allegations of this Complaint;
2. That Plaintiffs have a TRIAL BY JURY of all issues so triable;
3. That Plaintiffs recover from Defendants the following: special damages such as: medical and hospital expenses, funeral expenses, past and future lost earnings, general damages for Patrick W. Desmond's bodily injury, fright, terror, pain and suffering and other necessary expenses incurred as a result of the incident at issue; and additional damages constituting the full value of the life of Patrick W. Desmond. The amount of all such compensatory damages shall be proven at trial and determined by the enlightened conscience of a jury;
4. That Plaintiffs recover punitive damages against the Defendants in amounts to be determined by the enlightened conscience of a jury;
5. That Plaintiffs have and recover all damages to which they are entitled
under Georgia law; and
6. That Plaintiffs have all such other and further relief as this Court deems
just and appropriate.

Respectfully submitted on this 21st Day of March 2012

Jeffrey R Harris
....
Harris Penn Lowry DelCampo, LLP
(http://www.hpllegal.com/components/com_fpss/images/blue1.jpg)

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-PlaintiffFirstAmendedComplaintToAddAllegationsAndClaims.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 15, 2012, 20:10



Harris Penn Lowry DelCampo, LLP
(http://www.hpllegal.com/components/com_fpss/images/blue1.jpg)

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-PlaintiffFirstAmendedComplaintToAddAllegationsAndClaims.pdf

 o=R=o
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 15, 2012, 20:29
An awesome legal team, indeed!

 L-O-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 21, 2012, 23:45
I have many more documents to post that came before this one, but I'm going to post this one out of sequence because y'all are gonna love this!

Quote
PLAINTIFFS' BRIEF IN SUPPORT OF
MOTION FOR SANCTIONS
Plaintiffs ask this Court to sanction Narconon of Georgia ("NNGA") for its repeated, persistent and pervasive pattern of discovery abuse. For almost two (2) years, NNGA and its employees, have provided misleading and untruthful answers in deposition testimony and written discovery, and have intentionally withheld - until the eleventh hour - crucial, damning documents that should have been produced long ago. In fact, the only time that NNGA has produced the most inculpating evidence is when there is a pending discovery hearing or the Court has imposed deadlines for production.

Further, there are documents and witnesses that still have not been produced even though discovery in this case is set to close next week!

That's just the 1st page, there are 36 more pages in the brief itself, and 20 pages of supporting exhibits.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-16-PlaintiffsBriefInsupportOfMotionForSanctions.pdf

If you're active on other forums or blogs, please post a link back to here: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg22557.html#msg22557
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 22, 2012, 00:21
 Interesting that the Desmond legal team feel NarCONon of Georgia cannot FIND documents pertaining to individuals who are party to the case when asked. Hiding or destroying documents? Altering existing documents?

 The below photo was taken on 4/07/2012. The photo shows a Got Junk truck being loaded up in front of the NarCONon of Georgia facility in Norcross.

 Could the material being dumped into the Got Junk truck be of importance? CLICK ON PIC TO ENLARGE.

 (http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/IMG_0858.jpg)

 Now remember folks who may not be aware. A surprise visit by the state DCH was executed on 4/10/2012.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 22, 2012, 00:30
Interesting that the Desmond legal team feel NarCONon of Georgia cannot FIND documents pertaining to individuals who are party to the case when asked. Hiding or destroying documents? Altering existing documents?

Oh, I don't think the Desmond legal team feels that they can't find documents - I think they feel that Narconon of Georgia doesn't want to produce documents.  They're just being polite, as is customary in legal filings.  Read further.   ;)

Quote
The below photo was taken on 4/07/2012. The photo shows a Got Junk truck being loaded up in front of the NarCONon of Georgia facility in Norcross.

 Could the material being dumped into the Got Junk truck be of importance? CLICK ON PIC TO ENLARGE.

 (http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/IMG_0858.jpg)

 Now remember folks who may not be aware. A surprise visit by the state DCH was executed on 4/10/2012.

Very interesting...   J-:B
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Damian DeWitt on April 22, 2012, 08:39
Harris Penn Lowry Delcampo have produced the finest legal drafting in any Scientology-related case in the last four years. They do not write stupid things like "Narconon is an off-shoot of the Church of Scientology" knowing well that it is in fact a Scientology-related entity per the cult's declarations to the IRS.

This bodes well.

Congrats again to TP for superb coverage of the Desmond case.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 22, 2012, 09:16

 Must bump thread. :D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 22, 2012, 09:34
Harris Penn Lowry Delcampo have produced the finest legal drafting in any Scientology-related case in the last four years. They do not write stupid things like "Narconon is an off-shoot of the Church of Scientology" knowing well that it is in fact a Scientology-related entity per the cult's declarations to the IRS.

This bodes well.

Congrats again to TP for superb coverage of the Desmond case.

Your comments are appreciated. This brief is explosive! :-thanks-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 22, 2012, 09:44
I cannot see the judge denying the motion!  ;D

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 22, 2012, 09:48
 Why on earth would Mary Rieser lie like this? Any person with half a brain knows those lies will come back to haunt you BIG TIME. If this case gets bound over to a criminal court people may go to jail. Maybe Mary will minister to the addicted while in prison. (:E)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 22, 2012, 09:52
Why on earth would Mary Rieser lie like this?

One word.  Desperation.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 22, 2012, 09:58
Why on earth would Mary Rieser lie like this? Any person with half a brain knows those lies will come back to haunt you BIG TIME. If this case gets bound over to a criminal court people may go to jail. Maybe Mary will minister to the addicted while in prison. (:E)

She actually strikes me as someone who does not realize how poorly she is responding.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 22, 2012, 10:09
Why on earth would Mary Rieser lie like this? Any person with half a brain knows those lies will come back to haunt you BIG TIME. If this case gets bound over to a criminal court people may go to jail. Maybe Mary will minister to the addicted while in prison. (:E)

She actually strikes me as someone who does not realize how poorly she is responding.


 What scares me the most about this would be Ms Rieser is the founder and director of NarCONon of Georgia. She was also @ one time the local so called church of scientology,s big cheese here in Georgia

 Now after reading her latest depo material for the life of me I cannot see how this person pulled the wool over the eye,s of government officials and innocent families for so many years. It's shocking actually.

 This whole affair does not reflect well on our system here in Georgia. Its like the DCH does the bare minimum in keeping the citizen safe from harm. |$#!+|
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: xenubarb on April 22, 2012, 11:01



Harris Penn Lowry DelCampo, LLP
(http://www.hpllegal.com/components/com_fpss/images/blue1.jpg)

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-PlaintiffFirstAmendedComplaintToAddAllegationsAndClaims.pdf

 o=R=o

LOL Blue Man Group...
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 22, 2012, 13:41
Page 4:
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It was not until two (2) years into the litigation - and numerous discovery requests and depositions later - that Plaintiffs received the bulk of the critical documents. Those documents showed that the Narconon housing had become so unsafe that a Board of Investigation was convened by NNGA that ultimately resulted in the Delgado's subsequent "probation." These documents directly refute NNGA's defenses and provide extensive evidence in support of Plaintiffs' claims.3

The documents also show that during this time NNGA had multiple reports of staff members using drugs and alcohol. There is also evidence in the new documents that shows that the Executive Director of NNGA altered evidence after Patrick's death, in what can only be viewed as an after-the-fact attempt to distance NNGA from the events leading up to Patrick's death. The newly produced information also references a number of witnesses who have never been identified in discovery. Lastly, the newly disclosed information establishes that NNGA and its employees repeatedly provided false responses to key questions in both written discovery and in deposition testimony.

The Executive Director of Narconon of Georgia (NNGA) is Mary Patrice Rieser, aka Mary Rieser.

Page 6:
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On September 14th, 2010, Plaintiffs deposed Rieser for the second time, again, asking her about the critical issues in this case and specifically about investigations into housing issues and her knowledge of the events on the night of Patrick's death. Reiser's responses to these questions, we now know, were not simply misleading, but patently false.

(I think they mean September 14th, 2011.)

Page 9:
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In the meantime, Plaintiffs were able to locate and contact a whistleblower and former NNGA student and employee, Allison Riepe, who had intimate knowledge of the workings of NNGA, including its housing practices and the events surrounding Patrick's death.10

Yes, Allison Riepe!  I love you! 

See the Footnote10 for more info.

Pages 12 and 13:
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On March 30th, 2012, less than a week before the scheduled evidentiary hearing, and less than a month before the close of discovery, NNGA produced sixty-seven (67) pages of highly relevant documents, which included documents relating to the Urgent Directive as well as documents directly relevant to Patrick's death. ("The Board of Investigation Documents," Bates Nos. 009910-009976).

These documents contained information that had been repeatedly denied by NNGA throughout the litigation. For example, the documents included:
• Evidence of poor conditions at housing, such as a number of reports of:
   o Students drinking alcohol and sneaking out of housing. (Bates Nos. 009912, 009920, 009924).
   o Housing monitors failing to report for work. (Bates Nos. 009918, 009940).
   o Staff members using drugs and alcohol. (Bates Nos. 009926, 009944)
   o Lack of control over staff at housing. (Bates Nos. 009944);
   o Lack of supervision of students at housing. (Bates Nos. 009959)
   o Multiple complaints from students that drugs were too easily obtainable at housing. (Bates Nos. 009944)
   o Instances of students overdosing on heroin. (Bates Nos. 009944, 009957).
   o Substandard living conditions. (Bates No. 009968).
   o Requests from students to NNGA for changes to housing such as apartment searches, additional monitors, and enforcing a curfew. (Bates Nos. 009913).
• Evidence of complete control by NNGA over housing - most notably, directives from NNGA's Board of Directors placing Delgado Development on probation. (Bates Nos. 009943, 009945).
• Evidence that Delgado Development was opened and run solely to help NNGA make money, and, as a  result, housed only NNGA students. (Bates No. 0009959).

Just as the Discovery Course housing is doing currently: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9939.msg21898.html#msg21898

They dumped Delgado and had Darrell Javier Hall, aka Damian Javier Hall, Darrell Hall, and Darrell/Damian J. Hall, open the same sort of housing arrangement, that continues to this day.

Page 15:
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Like Patrick Desmond, Brad Taylor had been ordered by a court to enroll in an in-patient drug and alcohol rehabilitation facility in lieu of jail. (Riepe Dep., P. 14, L. 7). Taylor's student file included evidence that NNGA altered its letterhead to remove the words "out-patient" when they sent documents to the Tennessee drug court, just as they did when they sent letters to the Florida drug court in Patrick's case. (Bates Nos. 10122 - 10137). In short, the missing Taylor filed proved that the fraud perpetrated on the Florida drug court was not an isolated event. That is precisely why Plaintiffs believed it had not been produced.

Pages 15 and 16:
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On April 11th , NNGA produced yet another new set of documents, consisting of 105 pages of critical information relating to the Board of Investigation, including housing surveys completed by students, graphs reviewed by the Board of Directors, and meeting minutes concerning the investigation into housing. (Bates Nos. 10012 - 10016). Like the initial set of Board of Investigation Documents, this newest set of documents provided further evidence of critical concerns about NNGA's housing, such as:
• Evidence of multiple reports complaining that "housing" and the "residential portion" of NNGA needed improvement. (Bates No. 10022, 10030, 10034).
• When asked whether students received enough explanations about how things could be improved at NNGA, one student responded: "Get monitors that give a [expletive deleted] in housing." (Bates No. 10036).
• When asked what NNGA could do to help new students, another student responded by writing: "Keep them away from (names redacted.)" The student then notes: "[T]hey" (presumably the individuals whose names are redacted) "still use drugs or alcohol." (Bates No. 10023). Another student responded to the same question by saying: "Don't treat them like dollar signs. Don't lie. Don't promise things that you know aren't true." (Bates No. 10092).
• Another student wrote that he felt hopeless when he got to NNGA because he saw "a lot of drinking, drug use, and general madness." (Bates No. 10025).
• Multiple students complained about how NNGA and housing did not meet their expectations and that the housing situation was not, in reality, what was represented to them prior to enrolling. (Bates Nos. 10026, 10040).
• One student suggested that "a tour of the facility and housing prior to [her] arrival would have improved [her] understanding of the program. (Bates No. 10033).

So sad...  To be hopeful about a new future without substance abuse, and then to feel "hopeless when he got to NNGA because he saw 'a lot of drinking, drug use, and general madness.'"  Emotional roller coasters are never good for people, but I imagine extremely less so for someone wanting to kick drugs and/or alcohol. 

I hope that anyone planning to attend Narconon of Georgia (or any other Narconon facility, for that matter, since we have the same sort of reports about all the Narconon branches) will see this first and reconsider.

Someone else can pick up here with the Brief, if they'd like.   :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 22, 2012, 17:54
 Here are some photos of several named defendants in the Desmond V. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al wrongful death lawsuit.

 (http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/45-1.png)

  Above photo is Director and founder of NarCONon of Georgia,s Mary Rieser. Seated to the right of her is Darrell Hall, Director of Discoverycourse ( not currently named in the Desmond v Narconon of Ga/International lawsuit) which as we now know provides NarCONon of Georgia client housing and transportation. Picture is from a channel 2 Atlanta News broadcast taped during a SEPTEMBER 09 Sandy Springs Georgia zoning meeting concerning scientology,s zoning application for its Ideal Org.

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/l_01e2543a31beab5433cd93028639fae7-1-1-1-1.jpg)


 Above photo is Don Delgado of Delgado Development INC. Mr Delgado provided transportation and housing to NarCONon of Georgia. Patrick W Desmond was housed by Don Delgado.


(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/maria-1-1.jpg)


 Above photo is Maria Delgado of Delgado Development INC.


(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/maria-1.jpg)


 About photo again pictures Maria Delgado of Delgado Development @ the Sandy Springs Georgia zoning meeting concerning the church of scientology,s zoning variance application for its Ideal Org. To her right is Woodson Galloway formally of Dillard & Galloway who represents the church of scientology during the zoning variance application and whose firm currently represents the church of scientology in its RILUPA lawsuit against the city of Sandy Springs Georgia, the mayor and city council members. Photo also taken SEPTEMBER 09. For those in the know, yes! That is VP of scientology's Bob Adams head in the lower right.


 Would any of you allow these NARCONON of GEORGIA staff and SCIENTOLOGISTS to attempt drug or alcohol rehabilitation on your loved ones @ quite possibly the most difficult time in their lives?


 Bigger question is would YOU want these people to operate unimpeded within your community and advance scientology's twisted ideology? I dearly hope the good citizens of Sandy Springs Georgia see what this so called church is bringing to their community. Death and Despair! Yes my fellow posters, Death and Despair!


 The Channel 2 News photos are within the public domain. Don Delgados photo was found on the net. The 2 photos with Maria Delgado were taken by me during the course of the zoning meetings in Sandy Springs Georgia.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Damian DeWitt on April 24, 2012, 11:39
I have many more documents to post that came before this one, but I'm going to post this one out of sequence because y'all are gonna love this!


Further, there are documents and witnesses that still have not been produced even though discovery in this case is set to close next week!

That's just the 1st page, there are 36 more pages in the brief itself, and 20 pages of supporting exhibits.

Delicious dox are delicious.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 25, 2012, 23:02
Harris Penn Lowry Delcampo have produced the finest legal drafting in any Scientology-related case in the last four years. They do not write stupid things like "Narconon is an off-shoot of the Church of Scientology" knowing well that it is in fact a Scientology-related entity per the cult's declarations to the IRS.

This bodes well.

Congrats again to TP for superb coverage of the Desmond case.

Good post!  Losts of  ||||9000|||| ,too
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 27, 2012, 17:00
Ok, ready for another dox dump?

 ||||9000||||   

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-04-PlaintiffsMotionForOrderAllowingPlaintiffsToInstallAndBringCertainMultimediaEquipment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-05-OrderAllowingPlaintiffsToInstallAndBringCertainMultimediaEquipment.pdf


Lisa Robbins apparently doesn't think she belongs in a RICO case, so she has made a motion to dismiss. 

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-05-LisaCarolinaRobbinsMotionToDismissForFailureToStateAClaim.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-05-BriefInSupportOfLisaCarolinaRobbinsMotionToDismissRICO-Claims.pdf

The Plaintiffs have filed a bunch of stuff with the court:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsNoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery.pdf

These were all filed in the court on the date in the filename, but many of them are items sent to the parties to the case, and filed with the court as Rule 5.2 Certificates:

 (http://www.georgiacourts.org/courts/superior/rules/rule_5.html)
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Rule 5.2. Filing requirements.

(1) Depositions and other original discovery material shall not be filed with the court unless or until required by the provisions of O.C.G.A. § 9-11-29.1(a) (1) (5).
 
(2) A party serving Interrogatories, Requests for Production of Documents, Requests for Admission and Answers or responses thereto upon counsel, a party or a non party shall file with the court a certificate indicating the pleading which was served, the date of service (or that the same has been delivered for service with the summons) and the persons served.

These are all original discovery filings made by the Plaintiffs.  I tried to arrange these in the order the parties would have received them so that you have a sense of the order in which things happened.  Some of these are juicier than the dry and boring Rule 5.2 Certificates from the earlier parts of this thread.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToLisaRobbins1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponsesToLisaRobbins1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponsesToNNGAs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs1stSupplementalResponseToNNGAsAndLisaRobbins1stInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndInterrogatoriesToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs3rdInterrogatoriesToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs3rdInterrogatoriesToNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndInterrogatoriesToDelgadoDevelopment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToDelgadoDevelopment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToRobbinsGroup.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToLisaRobbins.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndInterrogatoriesToSovereignPlace.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToSovereignPlace.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndInterrogatoriesToSovereignPlaceAptManagement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToSovereignPlaceAptManagement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsSupplementalResponseToNNGAs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponsesToNNGAs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponsesToNNGAs2ndInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsSupplementalResponseToNNGAs2ndInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsSupplementalResponseToNNGAs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs4thInterrogatoriesToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsExpertDisclosures.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToNNGAs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToDelgadoDevelopments1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToDelgadoDevelopments1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsSupplementalResponseToNNGAs1stInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToDelgadoDevelopments2ndInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponsesToNNGAs3rdInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToNNGAs4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndSupplementalResponseToNNGAs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponsesToNNGAs4thInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponsesToNNGAs5thInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToNNGAs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToDelgadoDevelopment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndSupplementalResponseToNNGAs1stInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs.pdf

And now they ask the Defendants to file their originals also.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsRequestForFilingOriginalDiscovery.pdf

There have since been a large number of Defendants' filings entered into the record (that were originally filed with the court as Rule 5.2 Certificates).  Here are 3 that looked interesting, but I have not gotten the rest from the courthouse yet. 

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stRequestForAdmissionsToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf


After that, came these, of which you have already seen (or at least had the opportunity to see) the Plaintiffs' Brief in Support Of Motion for Sanctions:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-11-LetterToJudgeHydrickFromJeffreyHarris.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-13-NNGAsMotionForTimeToReplyToPlaintiffsOralMotionForSanctions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-16-PlaintiffsBriefInsupportOfMotionForSanctions.pdf

And I guess Lisa Robbins has decided she needs to answer the Amended Complaint, even if she does think it should be dismissed (LOL).

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-18-AnswerOfLisaRobbinsAndTheRobbinsGroupToPlaintiffsFirstAmendedComplaint.pdf


Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Sunshine on April 27, 2012, 18:14
Holy Mackerel, very nice!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 27, 2012, 18:25
Some light reading for the weekend. Nice!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 27, 2012, 18:29
I'll be reading right along with you because I haven't read all of these yet either.  I believe some of them have some attached exhibits that will be interesting to us, and possibly useful. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 27, 2012, 18:57
Wow! That's a lot of dox! In that post you may want to explain what a certificate 5.2 id for the newbies.

ps: These 3 below are getting error 404 NOT FOUND responses

re:
There have since been a large number of Defendants' filings entered into the record (that were originally filed with the court as Rule 5.2 Certificates).  Here are 3 that looked interesting, but I have not gotten the rest from the courthouse yet. 

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stRequestForAdmissionsToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 27, 2012, 20:48
Wow! That's a lot of dox! In that post you may want to explain what a certificate 5.2 id for the newbies.

 ooo:/  I thought I did, but to interpret the law I posted above: A Rule 5.2 Certificate is essentially a Certificate of Service, that is to say, it's a paper delivered to the court to certify that the actual documents were delivered to the party(ies) to the case. 

Discovery material and pleadings (i.e, dox) are not supposed to be filed with the court until they are needed (if needed) for the case.  I speculate that this is to save space in the courthouse, so there are not documents being stored there and taking up space unless they are actually going to be used in the case.

Quote
ps: These 3 below are getting error 404 NOT FOUND responses

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stRequestForAdmissionsToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

Fixed - I missed uploading them; they're there now, along with the 2012-04-18 Lisa Robbins Answer.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 27, 2012, 21:34
Thanks, ethercat. I just figured explaining it in full with these dox would be helpful for the newbies just jumping onto the from  'Latest Comments' link :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 27, 2012, 21:45
Yeah, there really needs to be a "Best Of..." set of links now.   :)

A bunch of the older stuff was good at the time for us to get clues about what was going on, but they aren't needed now that we have some of the actual documents that the Rule 5.2s were submitted for.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 27, 2012, 22:04
From http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndInterrogatoriesToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf
Quote
5.  Please identify every complaint or claim, including but not limited to lawsuits and informal complaints made to or received by Narconon of Georgia that alleges improper treatment and care of patients (and/or "students") of Narconon of Georgia from 2000 through 2010.

I must get Narconon of Georgia's Response to Plaintiffs' 2nd Interrogatories!   ;D

This ought to be good too:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf
Quote
11.  All documents to support your claim that Narconon of Georgia is the "most successful drug and alcohol rehabilitation program in the world," and Narconon's claim that "Narconon has a success rate of over 70%"(See document produced by Narconon of Georgia, Bates No. Desmond-D-GA 0004, 0019).

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndInterrogatoriesToSovereignPlaceAptManagement.pdf
is missing pages 3 and 4 - I have page 3, and will get it merged in and replace the current file.  I don't have page 5, but it looks like it would be a list of the defendants to whom it was sent.

The missing part is:
Quote
Interrogatories
1. Identify the property manager(s) at One Sovereign Place in 2007-2008 and all entities that were responsible for the management of the property at One Sovereign Plave in 2007-2008.
2. Identify all tenents in Buildings B, W, and Z on the One Sovereign Place premises in June 2008.
3. Identify the date which you, and /or any of your agents and/or representatives, anticipated litigation arising out of the death of Patrick Desmond.

This 12th 15 day of November, 2010.
                                                               HARRIS PENN & LOWRY, LLP


http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs4thInterrogatoriesToNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf
contains some license applications as exhibits.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsExpertDisclosures.pdf
Quote
Dr. Stephen A. Kent
Dr. Stephen A. Kent is a Professor in the Department of Sociology at the University of Alberta and an expert in alternative religions, including the Church of Scientology.  His curriculum vitae, which details his education, experience, qualifications, and expertise, is attached hereto as Exhibit C.

Dr. Kent, if called to testify at trial, will testify regarding the connection between Scientology and the Narconon Drug and Alcohol rehabilitations programs, including testimony relating to Narconon's course materials, student and staff interactions, and Narconon International's oversight and involvement in individual Narconon programs.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToDelgadoDevelopments2ndInterrogatories.pdf
has an attached chart of Patrick's attendance at rehab programs which shows Narconon of Georgia's prices as follows:

Sept 2007-February 2008
Narconon Costs for Six Months
- Program (14K)
- Medical Exam and Treatment on Induction (3K)
- Lodging (9K)
- Monthly Living Costs (2.4K)
-------------------------------
Total $26,000 + monthly living costs

May 2008-July 2008
Narconon Costs for 2.5 Months
- Program (refunded)
- Medical Exam (.5K)
- Lodging (4.5K)
- Monthly Living Costs (1K)
-------------------------------
Total $5,000 + monthly living costs

So, if Lisa Robbins made the entire amount for the Medical exams (which I find doubtful), she made $3,500 from Patrick's attendance at NNGa. 

The Delgados made $13,500 for 8 months of housing, some of which went to pay rent and utilities.  I think it's safe to say that ONE "student" at the housing covered the rent for one apartment, which must have housed more than one person.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 28, 2012, 17:31
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndSupplementalResponseToNNGAs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf
Quote
PLAINTIFFS' SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC.'S FIRST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS
 
REQUESTS
16.  Copies of any Department of Human Resources investigations, reports or documents of action taken regarding any Defendant that are in your possession or your attorney's possession.
RESPONSE: Responsive documents are being produced contemporaneously herewith.
SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE: Plaintiffs are producing the Release and Settlement
Agreeement, dated March 26, 2007.

At the end of this document is an agreement between Narconon of Georgia (signed by Mary Rieser, Executive Director of NNGa) and Georgia Department of Human Resources/Office of Regulatory Services (signed by Sharon Dougherty, Interem Director, Office of Regulatory Services).  It states:

Quote
RELEASE AND SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
1. Release. IN CONSIDERATION OF THE ISSUANCE OF A LICENSE TO
NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC. ("NARCONON") TO PROVIDE DRUG ABUSE
TREATMENT AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS, INCLUDING THE OPERATION OF
AN AMBULATORY DETOXIFICATION FACILITY, by of on behalf of the State of
Georgia, Department of Human Resources ("DHR"), Narconon does hereby release and
forever discharge DHR, together with its principals, agents and assigns, as well as all
parent, subsidiary, and affiliated agencies, from any and all claims, demands, rights and
causes of action of any kind and nature for any and all known and unknown, arising or
resulting from, connected with or in any way relating to Narconon's appeal of DHR's
denial of its application for a license to provide a Drug Abuse Treatment and Education
Program under Rule 290-4-2 et seq. (the "Rules"), currently pending in the Georgia
Office of State Administrative Hearings (Docket No. OSAH-ORS-DATP-0709658-67-
Brown ("Appeal")).

IT IS UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED that this is a release of any and all claims of
Narconon which were or could have been asserted against DHR in the referenced appeal,
which will be dismissed with prejudice; by Order of the Administrative Law Judge upon
the issuance of said license by DHR.

IT IS UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED that issuance of a license to Narconon by or on
behalf of DHR is in compromise and settlement of an appeal by Narconon which is based
on factual and legal arguments not admitted, but which are denied and disputed by DHR;
as well as that this Release is conditioned upon Narconon's ability to meet, and continue
to meet; the Rules governing the conduct and operation of Drug Abuse Treatment and
Education Programs, including Ambulatory Detoxification Facilities.

IT IS UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED that the program offered by Narconon will meet
the requirements of a Drug Abuse Education and Treatment Program, including
Ambulatory Detoxification Facilities, under the above-referenced Georgia rules,
including the following aspects:

• Clients will enroll in the Narconon program by visiting the Narconon facility,
applying for participation and paying the participation fee. At this time,
Narconon will provide the Vitamin Data Sheet to clients, inform the clients of the
risk and benefits of taking vitamins in excess of the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration's recommended daily allowance and the IOM recommended
upper daily limit, and ask the client to sign a consent form reflecting the client's
understanding of these risks and benefits, as well as the client's agreement to
participate in the Program.  This form will be distinct from any consent for
treatment required by the Medical Director.

• Narconon will refer the client to the Medical Director for initial treatment and
assessment.  The Medical Director will be responsible for medical oversight and
will be available twenty-four (24) hoars a day on an "on-call"' basis. The Medical
Director will issue appropriate orders if the client intends to participate in
Narconon's Ambulatory Detoxification program (including the vitamin regimen
already discussed), which is administered on Narconon's behalf by Pur-O-Cleanse1.

• Narconon, will ensure that Pur-O-Cleanse meets the applicable regulatory
requirements for that portion of Pur-O-Cleanse's business operations Which affect
Narconon's clients.  This includes assurances by Pur-O-Cleanse that it will not
permit Narconon clients to intermingle with other Pur-O-Cleanse customers.

• Likewise, Narconon will employ a Registered Nurse to provide medical oversight
under the direction of the Medical Director, and to supervise a Licensed Practical
Nurse ("LPN") who will provide clinical services to clients participating in the
Ambulatory Detoxification Program while on-site at Pur-O-Cleanse. The LPN
will be present at Pur-O-Cleanse at all times that Program participants are there,
and the LPN will meet the training requirements in the Rules. In an effort to
ensure consistent, comprehensive coverage daring these times, Narconon may
develop an internal "PRN float pool" or contract with a nurse staffing agency for
this service. Either way, Narconon recognizes its obligation to maintain personnel
records an any and all LPNs, as well as the RN, in accordance with the Rules.

• Narconon will transfer clients to the Ambulatory Detoxification Program for these
services and document this transfer in the client's records. Likewise, once the
client has completed the Ambulatory Detoxificatian Program, as determined by
the Medical Director, Pur-O-Cleanse will transfer the client back to Narconon for
the Outpatient Drug Treatment Program. The Medical Director will assess the
client's physical condition again at the time of transfer.

• Throughout the client's participation in the Program, Narconon will maintain
timely and accurate documentation of transfers, vitamins self-administered by
clients, under the supervision of a licensed nurse, vital signs as necessary, and any
other information required by the Rules or by the Medical Director.

2. Acknowledgement by Narconon: IT IS FURTHER UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED
that Narconon and DHR have completely read and understood the terms of this Release
and had the opportunity to discuss same with counsel and agreed that the Release is
voluntarily accepted for the purpose of making a full Release of all actions, causes of
action, claims and demands for, upon, or by reason of any issue, known or unknown,
which may be traced to the Appeal, as now appearing or as may appear at any time in the
future, be connected with, be a consequence of, or relate to The Appeal.

3. Severability: This Agreement is intended to be performed in accordance with and to the
extent permitted by all applicable laws, ordinances, rules and regulations. If any
provision of this Agreement, or the application thereof to any person, corporation, entity
or circumstance shall, for any reason and to any extent, be invalid or unenforceable, the
remainder of this Agreement and the application of such provision to other persons or
circumstances, shall not be affected thereby but rather shall be enforced to the fullest
extent permitted by law.

4. Entire Understanding: This Agreement contains the entire understanding of the parties.
This Agreement supersedes any prior understandings or agreements, oral, implied or
written, and none of the parties is relying on any promises. representations,
communications, statements, assertions, declarations, admissions, agreements,
arrangements or understandings, oral, implied, or written, that are not fully expressed
herein. This Agreement is a result of arms length negotiation between the parties.

5. Binding Effect: The terms of this Agreement are binding as to each and every party
hereto, their agents, successors, assigns, employees, subsidiaries, affiliates, and
contractors.

6. Choice of Law: This Release is to be governed in all respects by the laws of the State of
Georgia and the Rules and Regulations for Enforcement and operation of an Ambulatory
Detoxification Program.

7.  Cooperative Effort: This Agreement has been drafted through a cooperative effort of all
parties, and no party shall be considered the drafter of this Agreement so as to give rise to
any presumption or convention regarding construction of this document.

8. Amendment of Agreement: This Agreement may not be changed orally, but only by a
writing signed by all parties.

9. Effective Date and Signatures: This Agreement shall be effective on the date it is
executed by the Parties below, and it may be signed in counterparts, each counterpart
having the same force and effect as any other. Facsimile signatures shall have the same
force and effect as originals.

10. Headings: The headings contained herein are for purposes of reference only and have no
legal significance.

Signed, sealed and read this 26 day of March, 2007.

1 Or any other provider Narconon contracts to provide this service.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 28, 2012, 18:33
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNNInt.pdf

Observant readers will recall the document attached as Exhibit A to PLAINTIFFS' FOURTH REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS TO DEFENDANT NARCONON INTERNATIONAL.

I think David Love must have posted it somewhere - I remember it being posted, but can't find it now.

Ah, here it is: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-dox-david-love.88434/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Sunshine on April 28, 2012, 20:11
In the definition sheet for the Narconon statistics cable there is a disclaimer that several references are made to administrative policy letters written by LRH and were originally written for scientology and not for Narconon. They however cover the basics on how to make any organization to work.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNNInt.pdf

Under Executive Division 7 “Number of square paces of useful space” the definition for a useful space is one that promotes the “Org”; looks to me like Narconon must have a space that will promote or be available to the Org.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 28, 2012, 20:36
In the definition sheet for the Narconon statistics cable there is a disclaimer that several references are made to administrative policy letters written by LRH and were originally written for scientology and not for Narconon. They however cover the basics on how to make any organization to work.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNNInt.pdf

Under Executive Division 7 “Number of square paces of useful space” the definition for a useful space is one that promotes the “Org”; looks to me like Narconon must have a space that will promote or be available to the Org.

Good catch, Sunshine!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Sunshine on April 28, 2012, 21:25
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToDelgadoDevelopments2ndInterrogatories.pdf

has an attached chart of Patrick's attendance at rehab programs which shows Narconon of Georgia's prices as follows:

What happened to Narconons six month guarantee:
After an individual completes the Narconon program they are followed up on through effective aftercare treatment and every graduate is offered a 6 month guarantee that any student who uses drugs within 6 months after their approved completion of Narconon comes back for free.

http://www.drugsno.com/narconon-program/discharge-after-care/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 28, 2012, 22:32
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-PlaintiffsResponseToDelgadoDevelopments2ndInterrogatories.pdf

has an attached chart of Patrick's attendance at rehab programs which shows Narconon of Georgia's prices as follows:

What happened to Narconons six month guarantee:
After an individual completes the Narconon program they are followed up on through effective aftercare treatment and every graduate is offered a 6 month guarantee that any student who uses drugs within 6 months after their approved completion of Narconon comes back for free.

http://www.drugsno.com/narconon-program/discharge-after-care/

Unbelievable.... Narconon of Georgia and Delgado Development were raking in the bucks. I would love to see which entity reported all that 'lodging' money paid by so many loved ones. $1,500 per month!!You can get a high end sober living shared room ( double occupancy) in a house for $400-500/month plus food.

Plaintiffs' Response to 2 Interrogatory No. 1 - Delgado Development
Name and Address of Facility or Center  Dates Attended or Participated
Cost Completed or Left Early Date of Any Relapse . Drug or Substance

Narconon of Georgia
Atlanta Georgia
Sept 2007 - Feb 2008 Narconon Costs for Six
Months
- Program (14K)
- Medical Exam and
Treatment on
Induction (3K)
- Lodging (9K)
- Monthly Living
Costs (2.4K)

Completed with
Certificate in Feb 2008
May 2008
Failed
Weekly
Drug Test at
Florida Drug
Court
(Alcohol)
Alcohol

7
Narconon of Georgia
Atlanta, Georgia
May 2008-July 2008 Narconon Costs for
2.5 Months
- Program (refunded)
- Medical Exam (.5K)
- Lodging (4.5K)
- Monthly Living
Costs (IK)
Died Under Care and
Supervision of Narconon
On June 11, 2008
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 28, 2012, 22:39

What happened to Narconons six month guarantee:
After an individual completes the Narconon program they are followed up on through effective aftercare treatment and every graduate is offered a 6 month guarantee that any student who uses drugs within 6 months after their approved completion of Narconon comes back for free.

http://www.drugsno.com/narconon-program/discharge-after-care/

Another good catch, Sunshine.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 29, 2012, 00:46
In the definition sheet for the Narconon statistics cable there is a disclaimer that several references are made to administrative policy letters written by LRH and were originally written for scientology and not for Narconon. They however cover the basics on how to make any organization to work.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToNNInt.pdf

Under Executive Division 7 “Number of square paces of useful space” the definition for a useful space is one that promotes the “Org”; looks to me like Narconon must have a space that will promote or be available to the Org.

The whole program is a promotion for the org, isn't it?  Good point, though, and I wonder what kind of numbers come in on that?  It also says it should be in paces, not in feet or yards, so I guess it would result in a better stat if there's someone to do the pacing that has really tiny feet.

And I notice a typo, on the P-4 page: "As it may take a while before a staff member becomes fully hated, execcutives over the area do not see what is being done about it."

 :D   I'm sure they must have meant "hatted".

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 29, 2012, 00:53
What happened to Narconons six month guarantee:
After an individual completes the Narconon program they are followed up on through effective aftercare treatment and every graduate is offered a 6 month guarantee that any student who uses drugs within 6 months after their approved completion of Narconon comes back for free.

I don't see anything like that on there, at all...  I do see this, however: "This final section serves as support for the client. After completing the residential stage of treatment, they will then be ready for the transition back into society. "

NN of Georgia is NOT licensed by DCH to provide residential treatment.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on April 29, 2012, 01:56
Quote
NN of Georgia is NOT licensed by DCH to provide residential treatment.

Since when does the Cof$/NarCONon care about sticking to the rules??

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 29, 2012, 06:42
Quote
NN of Georgia is NOT licensed by DCH to provide residential treatment.

Since when does the Cof$/NarCONon care about sticking to the rules??

So true. Documenting it is usually the hard part but not in this case. lol
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on April 29, 2012, 10:01
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndSupplementalResponseToNNGAs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf
Quote
PLAINTIFFS' SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO DEFENDANT NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC.'S FIRST REQUEST FOR PRODUCTION OF DOCUMENTS
 
REQUESTS
16.  Copies of any Department of Human Resources investigations, reports or documents of action taken regarding any Defendant that are in your possession or your attorney's possession.
RESPONSE: Responsive documents are being produced contemporaneously herewith.
SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE: Plaintiffs are producing the Release and Settlement
Agreeement, dated March 26, 2007.

At the end of this document is an agreement between Narconon of Georgia (signed by Mary Rieser, Executive Director of NNGa) and Georgia Department of Human Resources/Office of Regulatory Services (signed by Sharon Dougherty, Interem Director, Office of Regulatory Services).  It states:

Quote
RELEASE AND SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
1. Release. IN CONSIDERATION OF THE ISSUANCE OF A LICENSE TO
NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC. ("NARCONON") TO PROVIDE DRUG ABUSE
TREATMENT AND EDUCATION PROGRAMS, INCLUDING THE OPERATION OF
AN AMBULATORY DETOXIFICATION FACILITY, by of on behalf of the State of
Georgia, Department of Human Resources ("DHR"), Narconon does hereby release and
forever discharge DHR, together with its principals, agents and assigns, as well as all
parent, subsidiary, and affiliated agencies, from any and all claims, demands, rights and
causes of action of any kind and nature for any and all known and unknown, arising or
resulting from, connected with or in any way relating to Narconon's appeal of DHR's
denial of its application for a license to provide a Drug Abuse Treatment and Education
Program under Rule 290-4-2 et seq. (the "Rules"), currently pending in the Georgia
Office of State Administrative Hearings (Docket No. OSAH-ORS-DATP-0709658-67-
Brown ("Appeal")).

IT IS UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED that this is a release of any and all claims of
Narconon which were or could have been asserted against DHR in the referenced appeal,
which will be dismissed with prejudice; by Order of the Administrative Law Judge upon
the issuance of said license by DHR.

IT IS UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED that issuance of a license to Narconon by or on
behalf of DHR is in compromise and settlement of an appeal by Narconon which is based
on factual and legal arguments not admitted, but which are denied and disputed by DHR;
as well as that this Release is conditioned upon Narconon's ability to meet, and continue
to meet; the Rules governing the conduct and operation of Drug Abuse Treatment and
Education Programs, including Ambulatory Detoxification Facilities.

IT IS UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED that the program offered by Narconon will meet
the requirements of a Drug Abuse Education and Treatment Program, including
Ambulatory Detoxification Facilities, under the above-referenced Georgia rules,
including the following aspects:

• Clients will enroll in the Narconon program by visiting the Narconon facility,
applying for participation and paying the participation fee. At this time,
Narconon will provide the Vitamin Data Sheet to clients, inform the clients of the
risk and benefits of taking vitamins in excess of the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration's recommended daily allowance and the IOM recommended
upper daily limit, and ask the client to sign a consent form reflecting the client's
understanding of these risks and benefits, as well as the client's agreement to
participate in the Program.  This form will be distinct from any consent for
treatment required by the Medical Director.

• Narconon will refer the client to the Medical Director for initial treatment and
assessment.  The Medical Director will be responsible for medical oversight and
will be available twenty-four (24) hoars a day on an "on-call"' basis. The Medical
Director will issue appropriate orders if the client intends to participate in
Narconon's Ambulatory Detoxification program (including the vitamin regimen
already discussed), which is administered on Narconon's behalf by Pur-O-Cleanse1.

• Narconon, will ensure that Pur-O-Cleanse meets the applicable regulatory
requirements for that portion of Pur-O-Cleanse's business operations Which affect
Narconon's clients.  This includes assurances by Pur-O-Cleanse that it will not
permit Narconon clients to intermingle with other Pur-O-Cleanse customers.

• Likewise, Narconon will employ a Registered Nurse to provide medical oversight
under the direction of the Medical Director, and to supervise a Licensed Practical
Nurse ("LPN") who will provide clinical services to clients participating in the
Ambulatory Detoxification Program while on-site at Pur-O-Cleanse. The LPN
will be present at Pur-O-Cleanse at all times that Program participants are there,
and the LPN will meet the training requirements in the Rules. In an effort to
ensure consistent, comprehensive coverage daring these times, Narconon may
develop an internal "PRN float pool" or contract with a nurse staffing agency for
this service. Either way, Narconon recognizes its obligation to maintain personnel
records an any and all LPNs, as well as the RN, in accordance with the Rules.

• Narconon will transfer clients to the Ambulatory Detoxification Program for these
services and document this transfer in the client's records. Likewise, once the
client has completed the Ambulatory Detoxificatian Program, as determined by
the Medical Director, Pur-O-Cleanse will transfer the client back to Narconon for
the Outpatient Drug Treatment Program. The Medical Director will assess the
client's physical condition again at the time of transfer.

• Throughout the client's participation in the Program, Narconon will maintain
timely and accurate documentation of transfers, vitamins self-administered by
clients, under the supervision of a licensed nurse, vital signs as necessary, and any
other information required by the Rules or by the Medical Director.

2. Acknowledgement by Narconon: IT IS FURTHER UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED
that Narconon and DHR have completely read and understood the terms of this Release
and had the opportunity to discuss same with counsel and agreed that the Release is
voluntarily accepted for the purpose of making a full Release of all actions, causes of
action, claims and demands for, upon, or by reason of any issue, known or unknown,
which may be traced to the Appeal, as now appearing or as may appear at any time in the
future, be connected with, be a consequence of, or relate to The Appeal.

3. Severability: This Agreement is intended to be performed in accordance with and to the
extent permitted by all applicable laws, ordinances, rules and regulations. If any
provision of this Agreement, or the application thereof to any person, corporation, entity
or circumstance shall, for any reason and to any extent, be invalid or unenforceable, the
remainder of this Agreement and the application of such provision to other persons or
circumstances, shall not be affected thereby but rather shall be enforced to the fullest
extent permitted by law.

4. Entire Understanding: This Agreement contains the entire understanding of the parties.
This Agreement supersedes any prior understandings or agreements, oral, implied or
written, and none of the parties is relying on any promises. representations,
communications, statements, assertions, declarations, admissions, agreements,
arrangements or understandings, oral, implied, or written, that are not fully expressed
herein. This Agreement is a result of arms length negotiation between the parties.

5. Binding Effect: The terms of this Agreement are binding as to each and every party
hereto, their agents, successors, assigns, employees, subsidiaries, affiliates, and
contractors.

6. Choice of Law: This Release is to be governed in all respects by the laws of the State of
Georgia and the Rules and Regulations for Enforcement and operation of an Ambulatory
Detoxification Program.

7.  Cooperative Effort: This Agreement has been drafted through a cooperative effort of all
parties, and no party shall be considered the drafter of this Agreement so as to give rise to
any presumption or convention regarding construction of this document.

8. Amendment of Agreement: This Agreement may not be changed orally, but only by a
writing signed by all parties.

9. Effective Date and Signatures: This Agreement shall be effective on the date it is
executed by the Parties below, and it may be signed in counterparts, each counterpart
having the same force and effect as any other. Facsimile signatures shall have the same
force and effect as originals.

10. Headings: The headings contained herein are for purposes of reference only and have no
legal significance.

Signed, sealed and read this 26 day of March, 2007.

1 Or any other provider Narconon contracts to provide this service.

 

 Take one part Georgia Department of Community Health and one part NarCONon of Georgia/International, Shake well and what do you have? A recipe for disaster!

 The DCH when signing the above March 2007 agreement with NarCONon of Georgia/International KNEW this whole affair would come back and bite them (DCH) in the ass!

 The DCH and citizenry had to only wait 15 months after the agreement was signed to reap the horror both the DCH and NarCONon unleashed on the unsuspecting public.

 Both signing parties IMHO bare equal guilt in the tragic death of Patrick W.Desmond.

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 29, 2012, 10:11

 Take one part Georgia Department of Community Health and one part NarCONon of Georgia/International, Shake well and what do you have? A recipe for disaster!

 The DCH when signing the above March 2007 agreement with NarCONon of Georgia/International KNEW this whole affair would come back and bite them (DCH) in the ass!

 The DCH and citizenry had to only wait 15 months after the agreement was signed to reap the horror both the DCH and NarCONon unleashed on the unsuspecting public.

 Both signing parties IMHO bare equal guilt in the tragic death of Patrick W.Desmond.

I get the impression DCH signed this agreement under protest and can't help wonder what forces were at play.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 29, 2012, 10:26
I get the impression DCH signed this agreement under protest and can't help wonder what forces were at play.

I get that impression too:
Quote
IT IS UNDERSTOOD AND AGREED that issuance of a license to Narconon by or on
behalf of DHR is in compromise and settlement of an appeal by Narconon which is based
on factual and legal arguments not admitted, but which are denied and disputed by DHR;
...

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 29, 2012, 12:29
Wow! That's a lot of dox! In that post you may want to explain what a certificate 5.2 id for the newbies.

 ooo:/  I thought I did, but to interpret the law I posted above: A Rule 5.2 Certificate is essentially a Certificate of Service, that is to say, it's a paper delivered to the court to certify that the actual documents were delivered to the party(ies) to the case. 

Discovery material and pleadings (i.e, dox) are not supposed to be filed with the court until they are needed (if needed) for the case.  I speculate that this is to save space in the courthouse, so there are not documents being stored there and taking up space unless they are actually going to be used in the case.

Quote
ps: These 3 below are getting error 404 NOT FOUND responses

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stRequestForAdmissionsToPlaintiffs.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffsFirstInterrogatories.pdf

Fixed - I missed uploading them; they're there now, along with the 2012-04-18 Lisa Robbins Answer.

There from your post on the docs are getting 404 not found notices too:

After that, came these, of which you have already seen (or at least had the opportunity to see) the Plaintiffs' Brief in Support Of Motion for Sanctions:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-11-LetterToJudgeHydrickFromJeffreyHarris.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-13-NNGAsMotionForTimeToReplyToPlaintiffsOralMotionForSanctions.pdf

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 29, 2012, 12:38
Thanks for letting me know, Mary.  They're there now. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on April 29, 2012, 21:48
Now that the facts are filling in a bit more, Mary Rieser's deposition may be an interesting read for those who haven't read it, and a good reread for those who have.

Exhibit 2, starting on page 28 of the PDF:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-25-BriefInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionsForSanctions.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Sunshine on April 29, 2012, 23:06
Wow, what a document this I need to read several times.

Page 15
22 A. There was a seminar, serninars, His name is Kent McGregor.

I wonder if this is the same Kent and if so was this before he went to work for CARF?
. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/AdvisoryBoard/

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on April 29, 2012, 23:22
Wow, what a document this I need to read several times.

Page 15
22 A. There was a seminar, serninars, His name is Kent McGregor.

I wonder if this is the same Kent and if so was this before he went to work for CARF?
. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/AdvisoryBoard/

One and the same, I believe. More on William Kent McGregor at http://www.holysmoke.org/narconon/narconon-mcgregor.htm
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Ogsonofgroo on May 02, 2012, 05:07
This is awesome news!  I am doing a happy dance since I first read this, been a long time coming.
Now if only this can be brought to bear eventually on corporate CoS I'll die a happy soul!

Mary, you frikken ROCK!

*buys all the popcorn in town*
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on May 02, 2012, 07:17
Welcome to RFTTP where there is a lot of popcorn chomping going on.  Mary does rock!

This is awesome news!  I am doing a happy dance since I first read this, been a long time coming.
Now if only this can be brought to bear eventually on corporate CoS I'll die a happy soul!

Mary, you frikken ROCK!

*buys all the popcorn in town*
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on May 02, 2012, 20:45
This has been bothering me; I had to do some research on it.

From the depo:
Quote
page 21
15 Q. Okay.  After you met the minister in Oklahoma,
16 what did you do in order to start the Narconon of
17 Georgia program?
18 A. Well we didn't start it right then. I met a
19 lunch over — I mean, I met a judge over lunch one day,
20 Judge Riley, and I was just introduced to him. And he
21 asked me to describe the Narconon program, and I did,
22 and he said, 'We would like that for offenders.1' There
23 was a problem at the time of a lot of crack cocaine in
24 the city. And I mentioned this other person, and he was
25 very happy that we would work with this other person

page 22
1 because it represented several Christian churches in
2 town. And he said, " If you open one, I'll send people
3 to you, and I'll try to get funding."

page 23
11 Q. All right.  And do you know, what's
12 Judge Riley's first name?
13 A. I dont remember his first name. He leads
14 Atlanta city court.

Judge William F. (Bill) Riley ran (runs?) a court program called Community Court (a part of the Atlanta Municipal Court), which tried to divert people from jail sentences to some form of help, whether their problem was mental illness, addiction, homelessness, etc.  Apparently, just after Mayor Shirley Franklin was elected Mayor of Atlanta in 2002, there came some efforts to cut the city's budget, and on the chopping block was Judge Riley's Community Court.  Following is some bits of what I could find out about this; I am fairly certain that this is the Judge Riley of which Mary Rieser speaks.

http://174.37.215.145/client_resources/mayorsoffice/special%20reports/courtreviewpanelreport050103.pdf

Quote
One of the most active divisions of the Municipal Court is the Community Court.  The Community Court was established in March 2000 by Chief Judge Barbara A. Harris and Judge William F. Riley, Jr. (See CJCC 2000 Annual Report, Community Court Committee attached in pertinent part as Exhibit 33.) The Community Court handles “quality of life” crimes: prostitution, disorderly conduct, panhandling, and some misdemeanor drug offenses. (See id.) The Court was established by efforts of a number of public and private social service entities. The Court takes a non-traditional approach to working with offenders, using sentencing alternatives and legal sanctions to promote rehabilitation and to address the underlying causes of criminality. (See id.) It is committed to the dual principles of restorative justice and rehabilitation. (See id.)

In 2000, the Community Court processed 2,352 charges against 1,918 defendants. (See id.)
 
The Court receives funding not only from the City of Atlanta for the judge and court staff, but also from various other public and private entities who are interested in the work of the Community Court.  (See Community Court Overview attached as Exhibit 34.) For example, the Community Court receives funding from the Fulton County Regional Board for the Court’s mental health and substance abuse initiative. (See id.)  Additionally, some twenty-eight (28) private and non-profit agencies, many of them Regional Board and United Way affiliates, provide treatment services to the Court’s defendants. (See id.) The Court is able to provide oversight to social programs and, through the judicial offices, to control the offenders’ behavior in the community without incarceration. (See id.)

http://174.37.215.145/client_resources/mayorsoffice/special%20reports/courtreview.pdf
Page 82
Quote
14 DR. BURNETTE: Good afternoon. I am
15 Dr. Craig Burnette. I represent the Department of
16 Veterans Affairs on a national level, but I am
17 fortunate enough that they let me live here in the
18 city of Atlanta. My offices are here and are
19 contained out at the Atlanta VA Medical Center on
20 Clairmont.
21 As a national coordinator of treatment of
22 homeless veterans, I am responsible for determining
23 the needs, the unmet needs of homeless veterans in
24 172 cities around the nation. I am then responsible
25 for formulating action plans to address those unmet
page 83
1 needs. They usually come in the form of housing,
2 they come in the form of employment, they come in the
3 form of psychological and medical needs and they come
4 in the form of dealing with whatever crimes they may
5 have committed or records they may have.
6 What I am here today for, since I live
7 here in Atlanta I have the opportunity to see close
8 up what happens here in Atlanta with our homeless
9 veterans, and particularly those involved in the
10 court system. While I travel a lot, I see programs
11 in New York, Los Angeles and other cities around the
12 nation, the one here in Atlanta stands out; and what
13 I proudly talk about is the relationship that we have
14 at the Atlanta VA Medical Center and community court
15 here in the City of Atlanta.
16 With me today are Ms. Linda Wright and Mr.
17 Herb Elliott. Ms. Wright is the coordinator of the
18 homeless program out there, Mr. Elliott is one of our
19 outreach workers.
20 To piggyback on what Mr. Mason was talking
21 about, we, too, scour the streets, cities, byways,
22 under bridges and out in the woods in Atlanta to find
23 and treat homeless veterans. Sometimes we don't have
24 to scour the streets because we can find them right
25 here in the city jails. Let me tell you how that
page 84
1 works for us and how it has worked and what my
2 concerns are.
3 Within the city jail we have had a program
4 called Fresh Start. Fresh Start, I have had a chance
5 to visit and see. As a result of Fresh Start, those
6 persons who had drug and alcohol, identified
7 themselves as drug and alcohol or substance abusers,
8 were allowed to participate in an in-house, in-jail
9 treatment program. Once they completed that
10 treatment program, and if they were given the
11 necessary or met the necessary requirements and they
12 were screened by us, we would take them after six
13 months in that program, once they were put on
14 probation, and we would provide housing and treatment
15 and care for them as veterans. These are veterans
16 who would otherwise be homeless again and back out on
17 the streets.
18 I can tell you now as a clinician and as a
19 researcher I am suspect when I hear numbers that are
20 sky high numbers in terms of success for treatment,
21 treatment for substance abuse. But I can tell you in
22 fact in the past year and a half that we have had 80
23 homeless veterans, or formerly homeless veterans from
24 that program, through community court connections we
25 have an 85-percent success rate of them maintaining
page 85
1 sobriety, being clean, being employed, being housed.
2 They are now productive taxpayers here in the city of
3 Atlanta as a result of the interventions through the
4 community court and I would like to think the
5 interventions -- I don't like to think, I know the
6 interventions of our five clinicians represented here
7 today.
8 To end a program like Fresh Start, to end
9 the relationships we have through community court,
10 through whatever the budget cutbacks or whatever they
11 may be, for me would be a loss and for our veterans
12 it would be a loss. We are turning lives around
13 through these programs. They are no longer being
14 jailed repeatedly again, or as Judge Riley likes to
15 say, our frequent flyers. We are stopping that, and
16 we are stopping it dead in its tracks.
17 I would welcome any questions or comments.
18 MR. SAMPSON: Great program. Logistically
19 how does that work? How are they identified in the
20 process, Doctor?
21 DR. BURNETTE: Sir, for us, in working
22 with our staff, in working with the staff there, we
23 simply ask the question upon admittance, have you
24 served in the military. We, of course, run our
25 records to verify the eligibility. That doesn't take
page 86
1 any time at all for us to do that. Once they are
2 identified and they have committed to treatment and
3 to the aftercare afterwards because we do a hard
4 follow-up case management afterwards, then our
5 clinicians interview them as well to see if they are
6 appropriate for our programs.
7 Once that is done we track them in the
8 city jail and watch what is going on with them.
9 Prior to their release we start doing work ups about
10 housing, treatments, setting up appointments at the
11 hospital, getting them into aftercare, things like
12 that. Then our case manager upon their release takes
13 on that burden. Does that answer it?
14 MR. KADISH: Is the community court now
15 working in the Municipal Court, is it just Judge
16 Riley who handles all of the community court cases or
17 are there other judges?
18 DR. BURNETTE: I would have to defer to
19 Judge Riley to explain the process on that. I don't
20 know. We are the ones that grab them during the
21 treatment phase.
22 MR. KADISH: He is the judge that you work
23 with.
24 DR. BURNETTE: Yes, sir. He has been very
25 helpful with us.
page 87
1 MR. KADISH: How many years has this been
2 going on?
3 DR. BURNETTE: Year and a half. I should
4 have said that, I think I said a year and a half,
5 that is what we have data on in terms of our
6 patients.
...

Judge Bill Riley begins to speak on page 143.

Apparently, the Community Court is still in operation, but it appears that Judge Riley is no longer a judge in Atlanta, or at least not in the municipal court.
http://www.atlantaga.gov/index.aspx?page=717

Fresh Start Recovery Center, Inc. (http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?204494): It's dead, Jim.  If this was even the Fresh Start being referred to in the meeting; there must be hundreds of different groups using that name...

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on May 05, 2012, 22:40
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/Untitled-2-1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 05, 2012, 22:54
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/Untitled-2-1-1.jpg)

 3((:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on May 05, 2012, 23:32
That's kind of creepy, lol.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on May 05, 2012, 23:58
Looks like Narconon of Georgia,s Agent/Attorney Matthew C Hines has former Narconon of Georgia employee Maria Delgado (Webb) workin the hispanic angle for him.

Maria Delgado is named in the Desmond family v.NarCONon of Geogia,NarCONon International lawsuit.

NarCONon of Georgia,s Agent/Attorney Matthew C Hines has some felony legal issues of his own.

http://www.cobb-county-lawyer.com/spanish-services.php

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/34.png)

Talk about a rats nest. At every turn it seems every entity that has something to do with Narconon of Georgia also is involved with the church of Scientology of Georgia.

RICO!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 06, 2012, 00:46
Narconon International Hosts 2012 Narconon Drug Rehab And Education Conference
Published May 5, 2012

Awards to the various levels of Narconon centers and groups who achieved the most expansion last year were awarded Saturday evening by Narconon International President Clark Carr.  First Place Winners included:   Narconon Freedom Center in Michigan for Residential Centers, Narconon of Georgia for Outpatient Centers, and Europe Drug Prevention for Drug Education.

 (:E( Awarding criminal activity.......  M.-)

http :// news. narconon  .org /2012-narconon-conference/

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on May 08, 2012, 09:44
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/schmidt-full-body-1.jpg)

 Above photo: Bob Schmidt. VP. Narconon of Georgia

 photos available by websearch via Google pictures.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on May 19, 2012, 10:22
The case file, it grows.....

(http://i45.tinypic.com/t9dvzp.jpg)

These pictures of Maria Delgado working at Narconon's intake desk might be of interest.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/rk0djc.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2upcv49.jpg)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 19, 2012, 10:41
The case file, it grows.....

(http://i45.tinypic.com/t9dvzp.jpg)

These pictures of Maria Delgado working at Narconon's intake desk might be of interest.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/rk0djc.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2upcv49.jpg)
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Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on May 19, 2012, 18:30
There should be some items of interest here.   :) 

This is some more stuff that first made its appearance as Rule 5.2 Certificates, but now the documents themselves have been filed into the Court Record.  As with the last batch, it was all filed at the Courthouse on the same day, but I've tried to arrange it by the original date it was sent to the parties to the case so that it's in some kind of understandable order for us.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-10-Plaintiffs2ndInterrogatoriesToNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs2ndInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs2ndInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs3rdInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-AmendmentToNNIntsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-AmendmentToNNIntsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs2ndInterrogatories.pdf


These were each filed twice on the same day, no idea if there's any difference:
-----------------
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsAmendedResponsesToPlaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsAmendedResponsesToPlaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments-2.pdf
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http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsAmendedResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsAmendedResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments-2.pdf
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http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs2ndInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs4thInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs2ndInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsSubstituteResponsesToPlaintiffs2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsSupplementToAmendedResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsJanuary24-2012-SupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAs1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNInts1stSupplementalObjectionsAndResponsesToPlaintiffs1stInterrogatories.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesToPlaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

Now back to more recently created documents:

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-23-StipulationExtendingTimeToRespondPursuantToOCGA-9-11-6b.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-01-ConsolidatedMotionAndMemorandumPursuantToUniformSuperiorStateCourtRule21ToUnsealDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-04-PlaintiffsSupplementalMemorandumInSupportOfMotionToUnsealRecordsPursuantToUniformStateRule21.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-16-NNGAsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions.pdf

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on May 23, 2012, 07:59
The case file, it grows.....

(http://i45.tinypic.com/t9dvzp.jpg)

These pictures of Maria Delgado working at Narconon's intake desk might be of interest.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/rk0djc.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2upcv49.jpg)


EeeeeeeeK! If I gets me one the them big desks can I play too? ::)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on May 23, 2012, 18:33
EeeeeeeeK! If I gets me one the them big desks can I play too? ::)

That's a definite, "No."
 ;)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on May 23, 2012, 18:40
EeeeeeeeK! If I gets me one the them big desks can I play too? ::)

That's a definite, "No."
 ;)

That's right, because you also have to read all of Hubbard's books, and give away lots of money to the "church" to sit in that seat. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 24, 2012, 07:43
PLAINTIFFS' SUPPLEMENTAL MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT OF MOTION
TO UNSEAL RECORDS PURSUANT TO UNIFORM STATE COURT RULE 21

On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 Plaintiffs filed a Motion requesting that the Court unseal a number of documents pertaining to this case. Those documents make it clear that Narconon of Georgia was operating an illegal residential housing operation at the time of Patrick Desmond's death.

On Thursday, May 3, 2012 Plaintiffs obtained a copy of an investigation conducted by the Georgia Healthcare Facility Regulation Division. Of course, like most evidence unearthed in this case, these documents were discovered by Plaintiffs and not voluntarily produced by Narconon. Unbeknownst to Plaintiffs and the Court, this investigation was apparently being conducted at the same time that the Court was conducting various sanctions and discovery hearings. It also explains why Narconon apparently was engaged in an exhaustive document search - to comply with the requests of regulators - rather than as falsely represented, to comply with Plaintiffs discovery requests.

On March 21, 2012, State regulators conducted a surprise inspection of Narconon of Georgia and after interviewing a number of students and examining various documents, the State concluded that Narconon of Georgia continues to illegally operate a residential facility in violation of state law. (See Ex. A.) Moreover, these same regulators concluded that Narconon of Georgia made false and misleading statements in its license applications. These findings are completely consistent with Plaintiffs' R.I.CO. allegations but they are somewhat astonishing because this State investigation reveals that despite the existence of a pending lawsuit alleging this very same conduct, Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International continue to operate and profit from this illegal criminal enterprise.

As the Court is aware, documents filed in court are presumed to be available for As the Court is aware, documents filed in court are presumed to be available for public inspection. See Uniform Superior (State) Court Rule 21. Records may only be sealed if the Court finds on an individual document by document basis that the privacy interests of the party requesting that the records be sealed clearly outweighs the public interest in disclosure. See Atlanta Journal v. Long, 258 Ga. 410 (1988).

The State investigation makes it abundantly clear that Narconon of Georgia and
Narconon International despite ample notice that its operations are illegal, continue to accept students into the program. In fact, the State investigation discovered that Narconon continues to illegally accept students who are court ordered to attend residential treatment programs:

"Two of the twenty eight sample clients were court ordered to go to a residential treatment program." (Ex. A. p. 7.)

Undoubtedly, this practice continues to rely on the criminal predicate acts of altering the Narconon letterhead and making false statements to court officials.

Because Narconon continues the very same pattern of illegal operations alleged in Plaintiffs' complaint, the documents that have been sealed affect the public interest of potential students and court officials who may be unaware of its illegal practices.

Accordingly, the public interest clearly outweighs any interest that Narconon may have in
shielding these documents from disclosure. For these reasons, and the reasons outlined in Plaintiffs' previous motion to unseal the records, Plaintiffs respectfully request that the Court unseal the specified records immediately.


HARRIS PENN LOWRY
DELCAMPO, LLP
JED D MANTON
Ga. Bar No. 868587
JEFFREY R. HARRIS
Ga. Bar No: 330315
DARREN W. PENN
Georgia Bar No. 571322

400 Colony Square
1201 Peachtree St.,NE
Suite 900
Atlanta, GA 30361
Telephone: (404) 961-7650
Facsimile: (404)961-7651
This the 4th day of May, 2012

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-04-PlaintiffsSupplementalMemorandumInSupportOfMotionToUnsealRecordsPursuantToUniformStateRule21.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on May 24, 2012, 13:05
This is such a delicious Thread - YOU people are doing an AWESOME job on this! BRAVO!

Love it :)

.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on May 24, 2012, 13:10
This is such a delicious Thread - YOU people are doing an AWESOME job on this! BRAVO!

Love it :)

Thanks! Good to hear from you.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 24, 2012, 23:10
This is awesome news!  I am doing a happy dance since I first read this, been a long time coming.
Now if only this can be brought to bear eventually on corporate CoS I'll die a happy soul!

Mary, you frikken ROCK!

*buys all the popcorn in town*

Hi Ogsonofgroo! I just saw this!   (:E(  Sorry for not replying sooner

Thank you for the nice compliment. However, credit goes to the Desmond family, their attorneys, the witnesses who told the truth, Tipping Point Forum and those who shall remain nameless for the time being :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on May 24, 2012, 23:14
This definately would be Milestone in history and perhaps open the doors
to further suits from far and wide; especially in the USA. Perhaps this is
what the USA Government needs to see for them to grow some balls and ACT:-)

.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 24, 2012, 23:25
David, this NNGA document has several attachments. Note the 2 inspection reports dated March 21, 2012  and April 10, 2012 :
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-16-NNGAsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions.pdf

These people were still doing the same illegal things ( runing a residental facility w/o a license etc) 20 days later after the first inspection of Mar 21. They should have been shut down by the state but they were'nt. Lots of questions on WHY they have been able to operate since they lost their license in 2006 for the same things ( and more) and got it back after a 'settlement agreement' - except this time the state allowed them to operate 2 separate parts of the program as 2 separate programs. Detox and outpatient.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on May 24, 2012, 23:29
Yes, there are separate laws/regulations for "Residential" and "Outpatient' which should
not be.

.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on May 25, 2012, 08:33
Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgement that something else is more important than fear.

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/FactsOnView/IMG_1270.jpg)

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on May 26, 2012, 22:12
David, this NNGA document has several attachments. Note the 2 inspection reports dated March 21, 2012  and April 10, 2012 :
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-16-NNGAsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions.pdf

These people were still doing the same illegal things ( runing a residental facility w/o a license etc) 20 days later after the first inspection of Mar 21. They should have been shut down by the state but they were'nt. Lots of questions on WHY they have been able to operate since they lost their license in 2006 for the same things ( and more) and got it back after a 'settlement agreement' - except this time the state allowed them to operate 2 separate parts of the program as 2 separate programs. Detox and outpatient.

Here is some more information about Inspection Reports from DCH: http://dch.georgia.gov/vgn/images/portal/cit_1210/37/27/147698007FacilityComplianceReport.pdf

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on June 12, 2012, 07:46
Yesterday was the anniversary of Patrick Desmond's death. I'm sure this is a very painful time for his family.

http://www2.mem.com/apps/movie/ViewMovie.aspx?id=10737173

Rest in peace, Patrick.

 :.{....

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on June 12, 2012, 09:21
Yesterday was the anniversary of Patrick Desmond's death. I'm sure this is a very painful time for his family.

http://www2.mem.com/apps/movie/ViewMovie.aspx?id=10737173

Rest in peace, Patrick.

 :.{....

 

 Gosh. I had completely forgotten about the date of Patrick's passing. In all honesty I rarely consciously dwell on his passing yet he has become the center of why I am here on this board and active in the complete dismantling of Narconon from the face of the earth. Sometimes I talk like a big man and say his passing is not the central point as to why I have become an outspoken advocate against NarCONon.

 Truth be told Patrick W. Desmond emboldened me to step out of my safe little world and shout out from the roof top that SCIENTOLOGY is an affront to everything I as a human being stand for. That it is ones moral and social duty to seek out the truth and share that knowledge with the rest of our community.

 This may sound odd ,but within Patrick's passing he left us a gift. A gift that will help others. A gift that resonates to my very core. That gift being his life. His passing opened up the flood gates revealing an evil that many find hard to comprehend. Patrick paved the way for truth to shine like the early morning sun on a summers day.

 His passing has enabled myself to grow as a human being, to speak up when I see a wrong that needs to be made right, to step out of my comfort zone and bear witness against those that prey on our fellow citizens.

 The likes of Mary Rieser,Don Delgado,Maria Delgado,James D Wegener,Bob Schmidt,Deb Danos,Fritz Alders,Martin Cohen and the rest of this sad cast of deluded characters will be held accountable.

 Patrick's passing opened my eyes to the shortcomings of those who we the citizen entrust to protect us from entities like SCIENTOLOGY/NARCONON. Those within the halls of government have and are being revealed as not executing the will of the people. The great state of Georgia and its citizens demand action from those appointed to protect us.

 Some within the halls of Georgia government (DCH) are as guilty as those that set the stage that led to Patrick,s death. The state of Georgia (DHR) in 2007 had the opportunity to correct a social ill. Instead the state took the easy economical way out.

 That easy way out cost a young man his life. Now as I type this nothing seems to have changed. Narconon is still plying its trade here in Georgia and the Georgia DCH for all intent and purposes from this citizens point of view is doing nothing to stop this madness from continuing unabated. I wish in my heart that this is not the case,but recent actions show otherwise.

 Rest in peace Patrick. Justice will be served.

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on June 12, 2012, 11:41
My sincere condolences to the Family and Friends who Loved him.

Patrick will not be forgotten - - ever.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on June 12, 2012, 17:28
Gosh. I had completely forgotten about the date of Patrick's passing. In all honesty I rarely consciously dwell on his passing yet he has become the center of why I am here on this board and active in the complete dismantling of Narconon from the face of the earth. Sometimes I talk like a big man and say his passing is not the central point as to why I have become an outspoken advocate against NarCONon.

 Truth be told Patrick W. Desmond emboldened me to step out of my safe little world and shout out from the roof top that SCIENTOLOGY is an affront to everything I as a human being stand for. That it is ones moral and social duty to seek out the truth and share that knowledge with the rest of our community.

 This may sound odd ,but within Patrick's passing he left us a gift. A gift that will help others. A gift that resonates to my very core. That gift being his life. His passing opened up the flood gates revealing an evil that many find hard to comprehend. Patrick paved the way for truth to shine like the early morning sun on a summers day.

 His passing has enabled myself to grow as a human being, to speak up when I see a wrong that needs to be made right, to step out of my comfort zone and bear witness against those that prey on our fellow citizens.

 The likes of Mary Rieser,Don Delgado,Maria Delgado,James D Wegener,Bob Schmidt,Deb Danos,Fritz Alders,Martin Cohen and the rest of this sad cast of deluded characters will be held accountable.

 Patrick's passing opened my eyes to the shortcomings of those who we the citizen entrust to protect us from entities like SCIENTOLOGY/NARCONON. Those within the halls of government have and are being revealed as not executing the will of the people. The great state of Georgia and its citizens demand action from those appointed to protect us.

 Some within the halls of Georgia government (DCH) are as guilty as those that set the stage that led to Patrick,s death. The state of Georgia (DHR) in 2007 had the opportunity to correct a social ill. Instead the state took the easy economical way out.

 That easy way out cost a young man his life. Now as I type this nothing seems to have changed. Narconon is still plying its trade here in Georgia and the Georgia DCH for all intent and purposes from this citizens point of view is doing nothing to stop this madness from continuing unabated. I wish in my heart that this is not the case,but recent actions show otherwise.

 Rest in peace Patrick. Justice will be served.

Well said, ST.

Patrick's death is not why I initially got involved, but he is why I continue to be involved.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on June 12, 2012, 21:21
My continued condolences to the Desmond family, and a big cheer for their bravely staying the course in this important case.  I know it can't be easy for them.

 :::-O-:::

For those who have been following the case, you might remember this Motion that was filed by Jeffrey R. Harris on behalf of the Plaintiffs, on May 1, 2012:
Consolidated Motion And Memorandum Pursuant To Uniform Superior State Court Rule21 To Unseal Documents (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-01-ConsolidatedMotionAndMemorandumPursuantToUniformSuperiorStateCourtRule21ToUnsealDocuments.pdf)

On May 4, 2012, he filed this Supplemental Motion:
Plaintiffs Supplemental Memorandum In Support Of Motion To Unseal Records Pursuant To Uniform State Rule 21 (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-04-PlaintiffsSupplementalMemorandumInSupportOfMotionToUnsealRecordsPursuantToUniformStateRule21.pdf)

According to the UNIFORM RULES SUPERIOR COURTS OF THE STATE OF GEORGIA (http://www.georgiacourts.org/files/UNIFORM%20SUPERIOR%20COURT%20RULES_Updated_11_10.pdf), Rule 21 says this:
Quote
Rule 21. LIMITATION OF ACCESS TO COURT FILES

All court records are public and are to be available for public inspection unless public access is limited by law or by the procedure set forth below.
Rule 21.1. Motions and Orders
Upon motion by any party to any civil or criminal action, or upon the court’s own motion, after hearing, the court may limit access to court files respecting that action. The order of limitation shall specify the part of the file to which access is limited, the nature and duration of the limitation, and the reason for limitation.
Amended effective October 7, 2010.
Rule 21.2. Finding of Harm
An order limiting access shall not be granted except upon a finding that the harm otherwise resulting to the privacy of a person in interest clearly outweighs the public interest.
Rule 21.3. Ex Parte Orders
Under compelling circumstances, a motion for temporary limitation of access, not to exceed 30 days, may be granted, ex parte, upon motion accompanied by supporting affidavit.
Rule 21.4. Review
An order limiting access may be reviewed by interlocutory application to the Supreme Court.
Rule 21.5. Amendments
Upon notice to all parties of record and after hearing, an order limiting access may be reviewed and amended by the court entering such order or by the Supreme Court at any time on its own motion or upon the motion of any person for good cause.

Some non-parties to the case, but very interested members of the public, filed a Petition on May 23, 2012, to show the court that there is public interest in this case:
Petition Of Ann Lowe And Matthew Hurley To Unseal Documents Of Record And Open Depositions (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-25-PetitionOfAnnLoweAndMatthewHurleyToUnsealDocumentsOfRecordAndOpenDepositions.pdf)

Narconon of Georgia apparently really doesn't want these things to become public, and they have a Response, which will probably make for very interesting reading (LOL!):
Narconon of Georgia's Response To Plaintiffs' Consolidated Motion, Memorandum, And Supplemental Memorandum To Unseal Documents (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31NNGAsResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf)

In the meantime, on the same day, Narconon of Georgia also filed a Request for Oral Argument:
Narconon of Georgia's Request For Oral Argument (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31-NNGAsRequestForOralArgument.pdf)

to argue about the Plaintiffs' Motion for Sanctions:
Brief In Support Of Plaintiffs' Motions for Sanctions (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-25-BriefInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionsForSanctions.pdf)

because (I guess) their Brief in Opposition wasn't good enough:
Defendant Narconon of Georgia's Brief in Opposition to Plaintiffs' Motion for Sanctions (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-16-NNGAsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions.pdf)

I believe this is the Protective Order they are discussing in their Brief:
ProtectiveOrder, Stipulation, and Confidentiality Agreement (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-22-ProtectiveOrderStipulationAndConfidentialityAgreement.pdf)

Coming up to present time, the Plaintiffs and the Defendant Narconon International have both sent letters to the Judge:

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-04-LetterOfJeffreyRHarrisToJudgeHydrick.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-06-LetterOfDavidFRootToJudgeHydrick.pdf

And, well, I suppose that ought to keep you reading for a bit.   ||||9000||||
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on June 12, 2012, 22:55
 Interesting that plaintiffs attorneys have resolved the case with defendant Dr.Robbins and the Robbins group. Would that be from a financial perspective?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on June 12, 2012, 23:05
Interesting that plaintiffs attorneys have resolved the case with defendant Dr.Robbins and the Robbins group. Would that be from a financial perspective?

According to the magic 8 ball, all signs point to yes.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on June 13, 2012, 01:17
Interesting that plaintiffs attorneys have resolved the case with defendant Dr.Robbins and the Robbins group. Would that be from a financial perspective?

According to the magic 8 ball, all signs point to yes.
Hmmm. I wonder who replaced Dr.Robbins as "Staff medical director" for Narconon of Georgia. A portion of DCH complaint#GA00112270 has to do with that particular area within N of G.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on June 13, 2012, 01:31
According to the magic 8 ball, all signs point to yes.

 WoW! I just asked the magic 8 ball if Narconon of Georgia would be shut down within the state of Georgia.

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi

 The 8 ball says definitely! ;D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on June 17, 2012, 00:45
Ethercat wrote:
Quote
"Narconon of Georgia apparently really doesn't want these things to become public, and they have a Response, which will probably make for very interesting reading (LOL!):

Narconon of Georgia's Response To Plaintiffs' Consolidated Motion, Memorandum, And Supplemental Memorandum To Unseal Documents
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31NNGAsResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31NNGAsResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf)

A lot of funny stuff in there! This part about the case being all over the internet, particularly on OCMB, with Gumby thanking me made me chuckle!

Quote
[..]Due to the open access to the Court's record, persons wholly unaffiliated with this litigation and whose interests are adverse to the Narconon Defendants have been provided ready access to information that the parties have agreed is confidential and should be protected.

Anti-Narconon groups are actively monitoring this litigation and have pulled pleadings, interlocutory orders, clips from video depositions, deposition transcripts, police reports, and other information and documents from the record of this case for the purpose of fueling discussion and analysis of the case on their websites. A simple search of the name "Patrick Desmond" through Google's search engine results in what appears to be something in the range of at least 200 Internet websites that discuss this litigation.

For example, a page on the Operation Clambake Message Board is devoted to this litigation. (http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=33257).

There, anyone and everyone can access documents from this case and engage in discussions about the parties, facts,witnesses, and even the judges.

The concerning consequences of the availability of the record of this case to the general public are illustrated by the following comment found on the OperationClambake Message Board:

Thank you Mary for updating and cross posting the current
particulars involving this tragic case. The words coming out of
NarCONon of Georgia executive director Mary Rieser,s mouth
during her deposition are to say the least "Very revealing".
She for all intents and purposes does not know what her own
organization is about much less anything remotely relating to
addiction and or drug rehabilitation services.Though the PDF,s
are huge, the content is well worth a look at.
An insiders look at a scam of epic proportions.
(Excerpts from Operation Clambake Message Board at attached hereto as Exhibit A).

Indeed, two individuals who are wholly unrelated to this litigation have filed a Petition to UnsealDocuments of Record and Open Depositions. These two individuals are affiliated with the website www.reachingforthetippingpoint.net .

A quick review of that website will reveal photographs of the court file in this case - and extensive discussions about the various pleadings filed by lawyers - much of which would never be admissible in front of any DeKalb County State Court jury. The websites cherry-pick the documents to suit their agenda - the public attack of Narconon. They do not limit their intrusion to what may ultimately be admissible evidence before any jury that may hear this case. The commentary and conclusions drawn in the banter in these websites are not legally sound. Yet, it is all available for anyone, including the prospective jury pool for this case, to review. [..]

What they don't get is that the most damaging information on the internet was posted 2 years before the Desmond family ever filed this lawsuit! The rest is caek.


edited for formatting. --ec
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on June 17, 2012, 00:52
Thought this paper would be of interest to those following this case:

Kudzu in the Courthouse: Judgments Made in the Shade
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2080279
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on June 17, 2012, 00:55
My continued condolences to the Desmond family, and a big cheer :::-O-:::for their bravely staying the course in this important case.  I know it can't be easy for them.

My condolences and gratitude, as well.  @->->-&:-* We will never forget Patrick W Desmond

For those who have been following the case, you might remember this Motion that was filed by Jeffrey R. Harris on behalf of the Plaintiffs, on May 1, 2012:
Consolidated Motion And Memorandum Pursuant To Uniform Superior State Court Rule21 To Unseal Documents (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-01-ConsolidatedMotionAndMemorandumPursuantToUniformSuperiorStateCourtRule21ToUnsealDocuments.pdf)

On May 4, 2012, he filed this Supplemental Motion:
Plaintiffs Supplemental Memorandum In Support Of Motion To Unseal Records Pursuant To Uniform State Rule 21 (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-04-PlaintiffsSupplementalMemorandumInSupportOfMotionToUnsealRecordsPursuantToUniformStateRule21.pdf)

 Some non-parties to the case, but very interested members of the public, filed a Petition on May 23, 2012, to show the court that there is public interest in this case:
Petition Of Ann Lowe And Matthew Hurley To Unseal Documents Of Record And Open Depositions (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-25-PetitionOfAnnLoweAndMatthewHurleyToUnsealDocumentsOfRecordAndOpenDepositions.pdf) [..]

 \*/ Thank you Ann and Matt for representing the rights of the public and members here in requesting those sealed records and depositions be made public! Hopefully the hearing on July 19th will be to our benefit
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on June 17, 2012, 01:54
Thought this paper would be of interest to those following this case:

Kudzu in the Courthouse: Judgments Made in the Shade
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2080279

Very interesting!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on June 17, 2012, 21:34
 Defendants lawyers can pontificate all they want. They are PAID too. I on the other hand follow a far different moral compass. I am NOT paid to share with my fellow citizens facts that may save a loved one from this so called rehab program. I do this because it is right and just!

 Defendants legal team wants information hidden from public view and scrutiny.(Gee I wonder why?)

 To claim we advocates would taint a jury pool is not only laughable, but thin from an legal point of view.
 
 The facts are in place. Recent and continued State of Georgia DCH documentation supports this. The general public has a RIGHT to have everything @ its disposal when vetting any business, especially when it involves medical or in this case pseudo medical practices.

 You lawyers need to come to grips with the fact Georgia by law allows we the citizenry to have access to information that impacts us. You the defendants lawyers in this case DO NOT have some type of private club that decides when,where and how we the citizenry gain said public information or how we discuss it in whatever format we so choose.

 Defendants legal team seems to be missing a very important point here. A young man DIED. What led to that young mans death lays squarely @ the feet of the very people they represent. That they cannot change.

 It appears to me the defendants legal team would like everything to be hush hush. This way a quiet cash settlement can be had. A gag order be put into place which encumbers we the citizenry from gaining factual information concerning Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International.

 Without that information deaths can and do occur. Case in point being Patrick W Desmond and those 3 poor young people that recently died @ another Narconon facility.

 The N of G legal team need to open their eyes!

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/Narconon_OK_NarcononDeathsMcAlesterNews4222012_JeanneLeFlore.jpg)

 Guess they are not up to speed either as to why Narconon Trois Riviers in Canada was recently closed.

 EDIT: IMHO  Narconon of Georgia and Narconon Internationals legal team is in some fashion starting an odd smear campaign against those citizens that are speaking up about this case to sway the courts in keeping certain information out of public view.

 Using flowery wording to paint said citizenry as having no business gaining what many believe to be information that is in the public,s interest. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on June 18, 2012, 06:55
Defendants legal team wants information hidden from public view and scrutiny.(Gee I wonder why?)

 To claim we advocates would taint a jury pool is not only laughable, but thin from an legal point of view.
 
 The facts are in place. Recent and continued State of Georgia DCH documentation supports this. The general public has a RIGHT to have everything @ its disposal when vetting any business, especially when it involves medical or in this case pseudo medical practices.

 You lawyers need to come to grips with the fact Georgia by law allows we the citizenry to have access to information that impacts us. You the defendants lawyers in this case DO NOT have some type of private club that decides when,where and how we the citizenry gain said public information or how we discuss it in whatever format we so choose.

 Defendants legal team seems to be missing a very important point here. A young man DIED. What led to that young mans death lays squarely @ the feet of the very people they represent. That they cannot change.

 It appears to me the defendants legal team would like everything to be hush hush. This way a quiet cash settlement can be had. A gag order be put into place which encumbers we the citizenry from gaining factual information concerning Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International.

....

EDIT: IMHO  Narconon of Georgia and Narconon Internationals legal team is in some fashion starting an odd smear campaign against those citizens that are speaking up about this case to sway the courts in keeping certain information out of public view.

 Using flowery wording to paint said citizenry as having no business gaining what many believe to be information that is in the public,s interest.


Hear! Hear!


I have only one slight quibble.  The defendant's lawyers are responsible for doing their best for their client, so it's really the defendants, Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International, that your comments should be directed toward.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on June 18, 2012, 20:26

Hear! Hear!


I have only one slight quibble.  The defendant's lawyers are responsible for doing their best for their client, so it's really the defendants, Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International, that your comments should be directed toward.

 I do understand your summation the defendants lawyers are doing their best for their client from a professional stand point. If N of G,s legal team can sleep well @ night knowing that their client may have had a hand in the death of Patrick W Desmond, will I seriously have to look @ this as more of a monetary business transaction than say seeking justice. @ the end of the day those lawyers are in the business on making money. Sadly justice sometimes takes a back seat in these matters.

 I am not implying that the N of G,s legal team is in this souly for monetary gain, but the reality is we as a nation have made litigation a very profitable venture. Take for example a quick look @ the Yellow pages in the phone book. Look what business takes up a MAJOR portion of said telephone book. Lawyers.

 Not saying that this is the case here, but if I were a practicing member of the bar here in Ga, I personally would vet my clientele. If said clientele came with decades of negative historical baggage I for one would have to pass on representing that client from a moral and ethical point of view. Justice is not just about money or winning @ any cost.

 Now another poster put up something that pretty much answers @ the very least why I do what I do. The N of G legal team will just have to accept that reality.

 
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Lack of transparency is a dire threat to the judicial branch, because its very legitimacy depends on public decisions after public arguments based on public records. In the words of our colonial ancestors: "Justice may not be done in a corner."
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on June 18, 2012, 20:56
Lack of transparency is a dire threat to the judicial branch, because its very legitimacy depends on public decisions after public arguments based on public records. In the words of our colonial ancestors: "Justice may not be done in a corner."

That's a great tagline for you!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on June 18, 2012, 22:00
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Transparency is the sine qua non of the common-law tradition we have inherited; without it, the snakes come.

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Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on June 19, 2012, 07:19
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Transparency is the sine qua non of the common-law tradition we have inherited; without it, the snakes come.

 ___P=
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on June 19, 2012, 21:20
Does anyone on here have their own opinion, whether qualified or not, how this
Case is moving along and outcome?

I pray all continues well, with a Milestone, EPIC Win :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on June 20, 2012, 09:16
Does anyone on here have their own opinion, whether qualified or not, how this
Case is moving along and outcome?

I pray all continues well, with a Milestone, EPIC Win :)

My "inadmissible" and "not legally sound" opinion:
The fact that the case is still going, after this amount of time, is a good sign.  Plaintiffs' attorneys certainly have Narconon's (and scientology's) number and are not fooled in the least by Narconon's gyrations.  Defendant's inability to find important papers asked for in discovery before the very last minute is looking more and more suspicious.  If nothing else, it says little for their ability to keep their records in order - not a good thing for a drug rehab facility.

My focus is on getting the documents unlocked - the same documents they so badly want to keep secret.   ;)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on June 20, 2012, 09:16
Does anyone on here have their own opinion, whether qualified or not, how this
Case is moving along and outcome?

I pray all continues well, with a Milestone, EPIC Win :)


 David. The case is moving along. One of the defendants a Dr Lisa Robbins, Medical director hired by Narconon of Georgia has resolved her part in this case to the satisfaction of the plaintiff and its legal team. Resolving meaning a financial settlement may has been reached and agreed upon.

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on June 20, 2012, 18:20
Yes. I agree, with ST and EC.

Good comments!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on July 18, 2012, 22:32
Is the following Legit???

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/toxic-narconon-withdrawal-specialist.103921/#post-2148759

DESMOND vs NARCANON *** Hearing Tomorrow ***

Case ID 10A28641
 Description ORDER FILED
 Docket Filing Date 14-JUN-2012
 Associated Party None
 Text
COUNSEL FOR ALL PARTIES APPEAR FOR A HEARING ON PLTF'S MOTION FOR SANCTIONS AND PLTF'S MOTION TO UNSEAL DOCUMENTS ON THURSDAY, JULY 19, 2012 AT 1:30 P.M. IN COURTROOM 2A OF THE DEKALB COUNTY COURTHOUSE - TYD
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on July 18, 2012, 22:48
Yes.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on July 19, 2012, 19:35
Any word yet on the results of the hearing today??
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on July 19, 2012, 20:06
Any word yet on the results of the hearing today??

Long, hearing was long. More details later.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on July 19, 2012, 23:59
Any word yet on the results of the hearing today??
Short story. It was quite interesting watching the court system in action today. Very professional. Justice is being served. Justice will prevail! :D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on July 20, 2012, 00:05
Longer short story:

mefree is right.   ST is right, too.

The hearing was long.  It's been a long day, so I'll just give the main outcomes, and leave the interesting details I remember until tomorrow, unless the others who were there would like to post the things they remember.

This was a Motions Hearing to decide on:
Plaintiffs' Motion for Sanctions
Plaintiffs' Motion to Unseal Documents

Relevant documents are linked in this thread:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg23680.html#msg23680

On the Motion for Sanctions, Judge Hydrick found that Narconon of Georgia had deliberately abused the discovery process, and will impose sanctions.  She is undecided as to what the sanctions will be as yet, but asked the Plaintiffs' attorneys to draft an order with the facts, and leave the sanctions for her to fill in.

On the Motion to Unseal Documents, Judge Hydrick ordered the Narconon attorneys to go through the documents currently under seal, and page by page, indicate exactly what the privacy interests were and why they should take precedence over the public's right to access the documents.  She stated that this should have been done prior to the hearing, and gave them 11 days in which to do this.  She had to clarify to them that it is not their position to ask "what would the public need this for", nor is it the court's concern what the public does with the documents that are available to them.

Scheduling was also discussed, and the Plaintiffs' attorneys requested a trial as soon as possible.  Judge Hydrick had an opening in September 2012, with the next not being until May 2013.  Narconon International's attorneys argued that September was too soon for them, since they had just taken over as NN Int's legal team.  Other options were discussed (such as waiting for a slot as a backup when another scheduled case might be settled or delayed), but due to his job, Major Desmond needs more notice to attend than that would provide.  No decision was made on scheduling today, and Judge Hydrick will think about what the best solution to this problem is.

Of special note: Major and Mrs. Desmond were in the courtroom today.  I find I need a "respect" smiley here, and don't have one.  The Desmonds deserve a great deal of respect for their bravery and strength, and they certainly have mine.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on July 20, 2012, 07:19
Quote
Of special note: Major and Mrs. Desmond were in the courtroom today.  I find I need a "respect" smiley here, and don't have one.  The Desmonds deserve a great deal of respect for their bravery and strength, and they certainly have mine.

The Desmonds lost their son in 2008 and this case is now two years old. They have my highest respect for walking this difficult road.

Some moments that stood out for me at yesterday's hearing include Attorney Marschalk's attempt to discuss the circumstances surrounding Patrick's death (quickly shut down) at the beginning of a circuitous argument, Judge Hydrick's statement that she did not find Mary Rieser to be credible, the amazing clarity of Jeff Harris, Barbara Marschalk's near hysteria over documents and pictures POSTED ON THE INTERNET and the discovery that there is another civil case in a Georgia federal court brought by Western World Insurance. I think someone doesn't want to pay.

More documents to come, but here's a preview of that complaint:

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA
ATLANTA DIVISION

WESTERN WORLD INSURANCE COMPANY, Plaintiff,
CIVIL ACTION

v.

NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC.,
NARCONON INTERNATIONAL,
DELGADO DEVELOPMENT, INC.,
PATRICK C. DESMOND AND MARY
C. DESMOND, INDIVIDUALLY,
AND MARY C. DESMOND, AS
ADMINISTRATRIX OF THE ESTATE
OF PATRICK W. DESMOND,

Defendants.
COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY JUDGMENT

COMES NOW Plaintiff Western World Insurance Company (hereinafter “Western World”), and pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2201 and Rule 57 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, files this complaint for declaratory relief showing the Court as follows:

I. PARTIES
1.

Western World is a corporation organized and incorporated under the laws of the State of New Hampshire with its principal place of business in New Jersey. It is a citizen of the States of New Hampshire and New Jersey for purposes of determining diversity of citizenship in this action.

2.

Narconon of Georgia, Inc. (“Narconon of Georgia”) is a non-profit corporation organized and incorporated under the laws of the State of Georgia with its principal place of business in the State of Georgia. It is a citizen of the State of Georgia for purposes of determining diversity of citizenship in this action. It can be served by delivering a summons and a copy of this Petition to its registered agent, Mathew C. Hines, 150 Bankhead Highway, Carrollton, Carroll County,
Georgia 30117.

3.

Narconon International (“Narconon International”) is a non-profit corporation organized and incorporated under the laws of the State of California with its principal place of business in the State of California. It is a citizen of the State of California for purposes of determining diversity of citizenship in this action. action. Service may be perfected on Narconon International by delivering a summons and a copy of this Petition to its registered agent, Helena Kobrin, 3055 Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 900, Los Angeles, CA 90010-1137.

4.

Delgado Development, Inc. ("Delgado") is a dissolved corporation that was incorporated under the laws of the State of Georgia. At all times during its operation and as a dissolved corporation, its principal place of business is the State of Georgia. For purposes of determining diversity of citizenship in this action, Delgado is a citizen of the State of Georgia. Delgado may be properly served, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 4(h) and O.C.G.A. § 14-4-161(b) by delivering a summons and a copy of this Petition to its registered agent at the time of dissolution: Maria Delgado, 2810 Valley Brook Drive, Marietta, Cobb County, Georgia 30008.

5.

Patrick C. Desmond and Mary C. Desmond are residents of the State of Florida. The Estate of Patrick W. Desmond, for which Mary C. Desmond is the duly appointed administratrix, was formed and letters of administration were issued in the State of Florida. Patrick W. Desmond was a citizen of the State of Florida at the time of his death. For purposes of determining diversity of citizenship in this action, Patrick C. Desmond; Mary C. Desmond, individually and as administratrix of the Estate of Patrick W. Desmond; and the Estate of Patrick W. Desmond are citizens of the State of Florida. They may be properly served in person by delivering a summons and a copy of this Petition to the home address of Patrick C. Desmond and Mary C. Desmond at: 934 Cormorant Court, Viera, Florida 32955.

II. JURISDICTION AND VENUE
6.

This declaratory judgment action arises out of an actual dispute or controversy that exceeds $75,000 exclusive of interest and costs. The dispute involves allegations of wrongful death and demands have been made by Defendants Patrick C. Desmond and Mary C. Desmond to the other Defendants and Plaintiff an amount in excess of $1 Million. In addition, the projected cost of providing legal defense to persons insured under the Western World insurance policy pursuant to its duty to defend, exclusive of interest and costs for the prosecution of this action by Western World, exceeds $75,000....

Declatory judgement definition:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/declaratory+judgment

to be continued...
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on July 20, 2012, 13:06
 Of interest during the court hearing yesterday it was brought up several times by both council for the plaintiff and the presiding judge that Narconon of Georgia,s Executive director, Mary Reiser is NOT a credible individual in regard to this wrongful death case.

 This lack of credibility must really impose great difficulty for Mary Reisers attorneys.

 As it is my understanding after attending yesterdays court proceedings defendants council and or its agents read this website. So on that note I would like to leave a small sampling of attorney Barbara Marschalk clients handy work.


 Within this official online Narconon of Georgia webpage many a falsehood can be blatantly seen.

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/Snapshot2012-07-2012-19-11.jpg)

Here is a closer look at the webpage!

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/35.png)

Mary Reiser claims the Narconon of Georgia facility is a LONG TERM RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT PROGRAM with a TOTAL OF 60 BEDS! The webpage goes on to state Narconon of Georgia directs its treatment to various individuals including those with DUAL DIAGNOSIS and that Narconon of Georgia states BUPRENORPHINE is used in treatment .


 Attorney Marschalk may need to ask the question of her client that since the discovery of the above Narconon of Georgia website posting THAT WEBSITE POSTING HAS BEEN ALTERED. Why did the website need altering?

 Have a look @ the webpage as of 7/20/2012.

http://www.treatment-centers.net/directory/georgia/norcross/narconon-of-georgia.html

 Please take note that the 60 BED LONG TERM RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT and BUPRENORPHINE use in treatment has been redacted from the web page.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 21, 2012, 01:14
OMG MeFree.... can you post the full WESTERN WORLD INSURANCE COMPANY complaint?

Western World must be catching on fast that insuring Narconons is bad for business and they better try and limit their liability for paying out deserved funds diue plaintiffs.

Western World, along with Narconon Int and Narconon Arrowhead ( Narconon Oklahoma), was sued by the Werninck Family & Kayse's estate this past December in Tulsa court for nonpayment of the agreed upon settlement from last year in the Werninck case. That was regarding Kasey Werninck's negligent death.

21 days later, they all settled for good and closed the case.

Tulsa CJ-2011-7255 12/01/2011 NARCONON OF OKLAHOMA INC (Defendant) WERNINCK, KEITH B v. NARCONON OF OKLAHOMA INC
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=2478139&db=Tulsa
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on July 21, 2012, 08:00
Yep. The entire case dox will be posted. This complaint is 54 pages.

Narconon is a terrible risk for any carrier. I'm surprised that they were able to obtain this coverage.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 21, 2012, 10:23
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on July 21, 2012, 13:32
Documents and discussion for the Western World Insurance Company case are here:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11114

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 28, 2012, 22:31
Of interest during the court hearing yesterday it was brought up several times by both council for the plaintiff and the presiding judge that Narconon of Georgia,s Executive director, Mary Reiser is NOT a credible individual in regard to this wrongful death case.

 This lack of credibility must really impose great difficulty for Mary Reisers attorneys.


As it is my understanding after attending yesterdays court proceedings defendants council and or its agents read this website. So on that note I would like to leave a small sampling of attorney Barbara Marschalk clients handy work. 

Bears repeating, lol!!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on July 30, 2012, 12:28

On the Motion to Unseal Documents, Judge Hydrick ordered the Narconon attorneys to go through the documents currently under seal, and page by page, indicate exactly what the privacy interests were and why they should take precedence over the public's right to access the documents.  She stated that this should have been done prior to the hearing, and gave them 11 days in which to do this.

  We are now at that 11 day mark.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on July 30, 2012, 15:42
Why do I suspect every page will come back marked, "This should be kept private because we want it that way."??

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on July 30, 2012, 20:28
Why do I suspect every page will come back marked, "This should be kept private because we want it that way."??

I don't think the judge will buy into that.  She already seems mightily irritated with them.   ;) 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on July 30, 2012, 23:24
Well, this is interesting. Narconon INT is responding to the Amended Complaint ( w/ RICO ):

Docket Text Details
Case ID   10A28641
Description   RULE 5.2 CERTIFICATE
Docket Filing Date   27-JUL-2012
Associated Party   CHERYL H SHAW
Text     
  MR DEF NARCONON INTL'S 1ST INTER TO PLTFS (AMENDED COMPLAINT); DEF NARCONON INTL'S 1ST REQ FOR PROD OF DOCUMENTS TO PLTFS (AMENDED COMPLAINT)

Perhaps the judge has already made a decision on the RICO issue?

Plaintiffs Patrick C. Desmond and Mary C. Desmond, individually,
and Mary C. Desmond, as Administratrix of the Estate of Patrick W. Desmond,
file this First Amended Complaint.

The Plaintiffs add counts of Civil RICO
by Fraudulent Statements to a Government Agency,
Mail Fraud, and Theft by Deception.

Plaintiffs hereby incorporate by reference each
allegation, count, claim, request for damages, and
all supporting evidence set out in their Original Complaint.

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg22048.html#msg22048
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on July 31, 2012, 17:49
                     
                8-^*   

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 01, 2012, 16:27
                     
                8-^*

Not sure if you read the whole document but it's quite damning!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 01, 2012, 17:28
Oh I agree!  I thought I picked the smiley thingy for "May justice prevail and the truth be discovered rather than slithered under."   My bad.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 01, 2012, 20:12
Oh I agree!  I thought I picked the smiley thingy for "May justice prevail and the truth be discovered rather than slithered under."   My bad.

Your smiley thingy is fine.  I'm certainly with you - I think everyone here is - on hoping for justice to prevail.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 02, 2012, 03:05
Docket Text Details

Case ID                 10A28641
Description              MOTION
Docket Filing Date      01-AUG-2012
Associated Party      STEVAN A MILLER
Text      
     AADINO - DEF NARCONONM OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION AND INCORPORATED BRIEF IN SUPPORT THEREOF TO KEEP CERTAIN DOCS FILED WITH THE COURT UNDER SEAL
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 02, 2012, 03:38
hehehe! The fireworks have begun. Can't wait to read that !

ps: you are up as late  as me! 
Goodnite  :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 02, 2012, 06:24
Shhhhh!      cU#__
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 02, 2012, 06:50
This is another delaying tactic.  They were supposed to have given the Judge a page by page list of what their privacy concerns are - unless that's what this is (which I doubt, because I was under the impression the list would not be filed).  If this is not that, I imagine it will probably anger the Judge.

Disclaimer: For the defendants and their attorneys who want to point to our discussion on this forum, and say things like:

Quote from: Defendent's Lawyers
From: NNGa's Response To Plaintiffs' Consolidated Motion, Memorandum, And Supplemental Memorandum To Unseal Documents (http://link=http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31NNGAsResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf)

Indeed, two individuals who are wholly unrelated to this litigation have filed a Petition to UnsealDocuments of Record and Open Depositions. These two individuals are affiliated with the website www.reachingforthetippingpoint.net .

A quick review of that website will reveal photographs of the court file in this case - and extensive discussions about the various pleadings filed by lawyers - much of which would never be admissible in front of any DeKalb County State Court jury. The websites cherry-pick the documents to suit their agenda - the public attack of Narconon. They do not limit their intrusion to what may ultimately be admissible evidence before any jury that may hear this case. The commentary and conclusions drawn in the banter in these websites are not legally sound. Yet, it is all available for anyone, including the prospective jury pool for this case, to review.


I will just quote Social Transparency, since he said it well:

You lawyers need to come to grips with the fact Georgia by law allows we the citizenry to have access to information that impacts us. You the defendants lawyers in this case DO NOT have some type of private club that decides when,where and how we the citizenry gain said public information or how we discuss it in whatever format we so choose.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 03, 2012, 09:35
This is another delaying tactic.  They were supposed to have given the Judge a page by page list of what their privacy concerns are - unless that's what this is (which I doubt, because I was under the impression the list would not be filed).  If this is not that, I imagine it will probably anger the Judge.

Disclaimer: For the defendants and their attorneys who want to point to our discussion on this forum, and say things like:

Quote from: Defendent's Lawyers
From: NNGa's Response To Plaintiffs' Consolidated Motion, Memorandum, And Supplemental Memorandum To Unseal Documents (http://link=http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31NNGAsResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf)

Indeed, two individuals who are wholly unrelated to this litigation have filed a Petition to UnsealDocuments of Record and Open Depositions. These two individuals are affiliated with the website www.reachingforthetippingpoint.net .

A quick review of that website will reveal photographs of the court file in this case - and extensive discussions about the various pleadings filed by lawyers - much of which would never be admissible in front of any DeKalb County State Court jury. The websites cherry-pick the documents to suit their agenda - the public attack of Narconon. They do not limit their intrusion to what may ultimately be admissible evidence before any jury that may hear this case. The commentary and conclusions drawn in the banter in these websites are not legally sound. Yet, it is all available for anyone, including the prospective jury pool for this case, to review.


I will just quote Social Transparency, since he said it well:

You lawyers need to come to grips with the fact Georgia by law allows we the citizenry to have access to information that impacts us. You the defendants lawyers in this case DO NOT have some type of private club that decides when,where and how we the citizenry gain said public information or how we discuss it in whatever format we so choose.

 As a Petitioner to Unseal Documents of Record and Depositions pertaining to this wrongful death lawsuit I did question the merit and reasoning behind attorney Marschalks claims.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31NNGAsResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf

 Thing is as I read the above linked document it appears to be written in a somewhat subliminally threatening manner.

 After watching Ms.Marschalk professionally representing her client on 7/12/2012 I came away with a feeling   http://link=http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31NNGAsResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf   was drafted with the aid of scientology and to be more specific Los Angeles based scientology legal staff.

 This veiled attempt @ instilling fear or impinging on the civil liberties of a private citizen only re enforces my belief that those documents in question be made publicly available to we the citizenry.  I do believe the judge has ruled on this and I am more than satisfied with the courts decision on the matter.

 On that note I do not personally take umbrage in regard to how Ms.Marschalk represents her client. She is paid to do the best job she can. Alas defending the indefensible does have its downside.

 http://sos.georgia.gov/archives/who_are_we/rims/best_practices_resources/open_records_act.htm

Now we must dance!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF33V0tqrEc
 
 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on August 03, 2012, 10:51
^^^So, did the judge unseal the records??
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 03, 2012, 15:07
^^^So, did the judge unseal the records??
Short answer: We're still waiting to find out.

Long answer: I'm glad you asked, because I had been meaning to write a more descriptive post as to what's going on.

This gets complicated, but here is my understanding of it.  Keep in mind that I haven't seen the sealed documents, and IANAL.  This is what I have gathered from reading the documents we do have access to, discussing the issue with our attorney who filed our Petition to Unseal (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-25-PetitionOfAnnLoweAndMatthewHurleyToUnsealDocumentsOfRecordAndOpenDepositions.pdf), and listening to what was said in the courtroom.  I may not be totally correct on this.  Some of the specifics are contained in the Plaintiffs' Brief in Support of Motion for Sanctions (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-16-PlaintiffsBriefInsupportOfMotionForSanctions.pdf), Plaintiffs' Motion and Memo to Unseal Documents (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-01-ConsolidatedMotionAndMemorandumPursuantToUniformSuperiorStateCourtRule21ToUnsealDocuments.pdf) and their Supplemental Memo (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-04-PlaintiffsSupplementalMemorandumInSupportOfMotionToUnsealRecordsPursuantToUniformStateRule21.pdf) also.

The decision whether or not to open these documents is done on a page by page basis (I think), and Judge Hydrick has to make a decision on each, based on the reasons the Defendents state that it should be kept sealed.  This may take some time, since she has to consider each one individually.  (And you know how the cult likes to drag court cases out - now they have submitted the Motion to keep them sealed; they have probably snowed her under a mountain of reasons.  It may be a while before we have any ruling, thereby allowing NN to collect more payments and potential victims, before a figurative ax of some sort falls.)

There are also 2 types of "sealing" being considered, with different legal considerations.  To us, however, both mean we can't get our hands on them yet.

There is "under seal", that is, items that are subject to a "protective order", and there is "sealed", that is, sealed until opened for use.  There was a protective order signed by the judge (who at the time was Antonio Delcampo, who has since resigned as a judge and is now part of Harris, Penn, Lowry, and Delcampo, the Plaintiffs' legal team). 

The documents "under seal" are listed in Exhibit A of the Plaintiffs' Motion to Unseal (linked above):
FILING UNDER SEAL
Plaintiffs hereby file the following documents under seal:
• Urgent Directive Documents - Bates Nos. 008588 - 008593
• Post-Incident Documents - Bates Nos. 009821 - 009834
• Board of Investigation Documents - Bates Nos. 009910 - 009976
• Brad Taylor Personnel File - Bates Nos. 009977 - 10011
• Misc. Narconon Documents - Bates Nos. 10012 -10116
• Brad Taylor Student File - Bates Nos. 10117-10993

Then there are the Depositions which are filed with the Court in sealed envelopes, but are not formally "under seal".  The envelopes contain both a transcript and a disc with the video of the depositions.  I am told that it is common practice to file depositions this way to assure there is no tampering until they are used in the case, but presumably the depositions are supportive of the Plaintiffs' claims in the Amended Complaint (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-PlaintiffFirstAmendedComplaintToAddAllegationsAndClaims.pdf) and Plaintiffs' Brief in Support of Motion for Sanctions (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-16-PlaintiffsBriefInsupportOfMotionForSanctions.pdf), and therefore, are being used in the case.  They have been filed in sealed envelopes, I believe, as a precaution by the Plaintiff, to avoid possibly running afoul of a Protective Order (below), or, at least, being accused of such.

Here is the Stipulation and Confidentiality Agreement (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-12-29-StipulationAndConfidentialityAgreement.pdf), which resulted in the Protective Order (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-05-ProtectiveOrderSignedByJudge.pdf).

Rule 21 (see below) says this:
Quote
Rule 21.1. Motions and Orders
Upon motion by any party to any civil or criminal action, or upon the court’s own motion, after hearing, the court may limit access to court files respecting that action. The order of limitation shall specify the part of the file to which access is limited, the nature and duration of the limitation, and the reason for limitation.

and this:

Quote
Rule 21.2. Finding of Harm
An order limiting access shall not be granted except upon a finding that the harm otherwise resulting to the privacy of a person in interest clearly outweighs the public interest.

There is nothing I have seen that specifies "the part of the file to which access is limited" or "the nature and duration of the limitation", and nothing from the Judge that specifies "the reason for limitation".

We also know that people (the public) are being harmed financially, psychologically, and possibly physically, from this type of information not being available to potential clients of Narconon.

About the "Board of Investigation Documents":  The Plaintiffs had asked in discovery for anything that related to problems with housing.  The Defendants had said there were no such documents.  Eventually, these "Board of Investigation Documents" were produced long after they were asked for, long after the protective order was issued, and right before Allison Riepe's deposition on January 26, 2012.

 The problems with housing had gotten so bad that Mary Rieser called a formal "Board of Investigation"1 to decide what to do about housing and Delgado Development (Don and Maria Delgado), BEFORE Patrick's death. 

The B of I involved communications back and forth with Narconon International, findings by the local Narconon "justices" (this may have a scientology name that I don't know), and a decision (which I believe is the "Urgent Directive documents") to put the Delgados on probation with regard to the housing.  The possibility was even discussed of putting the housing under the control of Narconon International, which Harris pointed out in the hearing, "would have been illegal also."

The Defendents' responses to discovery stated that no such documents existed, and in her deposition(s), Mary Rieser said "I forgot." 

There have still never been any documents produced that show the Delgados were ever taken off probation, which is inconceivable since the B of I was so bureaucratic and (my observation) the Delgados continued to provide housing until Darrell Hall took over in 2010, AFTER this case was filed. 

Aside:
NNGa likens the housing to "hiring a coffee service" and expecting a certain level of service from them, except they say that since Maria Delgado had pull in the local "church", they couldn't just fire her and hire another housing provider.

Like you're gonna tell your coffee service, "hey, we're putting you on probation," instead of just dropping their service and hiring a new company - this, to me, is proof of the control NN had over housing.  Read Mary's post (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg22061.html#msg22061) for why this is a crucial issue.

Plaintiffs argue:
Quote
Prior to the filing of the documents with the Court, the terms of the Protective Order governed the dissemination of the documents. Although Plaintiffs do not believe that the
Protective Order prevented the disclosure of the documents in the first place, since they were
used "for litigation", that question is now moot, because the documents have been filed with the
Court.


They cite Rule 21 of the State of Georgia Superior Court Uniform Rules (http://www.georgiacourts.org/files/UNIFORM%20SUPERIOR%20COURT%20RULES_Updated_11_10.pdf) and Atlanta Journal v. Long, 258 Ga. 410 (1988), which is discussed on the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, Georgia - Open Courts Compendium, Access to civil records page: http://www.rcfp.org/georgia-open-courts-compendium/general-2

There are also some "privilege logs" which the NNs say exclude certain documents from being required to be produced based on Attorney-Client privilege in anticipation of litigation.  Here are NNInt's Privilege Log (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-28-NarcononInternationalsPrivilegeLog.pdf) and Amended Privilege Log (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-26-NarcononInternationalsAmendedPrivilegeLog.pdf) and here is NNGa's Privilege Log (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-28-NarcononOfGeorgiasPrivilegeLog.pdf).  There was also argument in the hearing (I seem to recall) and elsewhere (documents) over when exactly NN anticipated litigation.

I do wish we had someone here with enough Georgia-specific legal knowledge and time to cut to the chase on this for us, instead of my legally unsound "presumably"-ing, "I believe"-ing, and "(I think)"-ing.    :D

It would also be nice if an ex-member with in-depth knowledge of the procedures followed in a "Board of Investigation" could write up a description of it.  Or maybe someone could point to an existing description.


1 From Ray Hill's Scientology Glossary (http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_b.htm#B):
B of I: Board of investigation. A Scientology kangaroo-court-like internal Ethics board. "A B of I will be convened for Harry next Tuesday."
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 03, 2012, 15:17
Thing is as I read the above linked document it appears to be written in a somewhat subliminally threatening manner.

I agree, but it doesn't scare me.  Or you either, if I know you.  :D

Quote
http://sos.georgia.gov/archives/who_are_we/rims/best_practices_resources/open_records_act.htm

This doesn't apply to the judicial system - there was a ruling a while back to keep the judicial system and the administrative system separate.  I can dig up the reference, but don't have it right at hand at the moment.  The Rule 21 of the Uniform Superior Court Rules covers the Courts (there's a link to that in my previous post).
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on August 03, 2012, 16:44
About the "Board of Investigation Documents":  The Plaintiffs had asked in discovery for anything that related to problems with housing.  The Defendants had said there were no such documents.  Eventually, these "Board of Investigation Documents" were produced long after they were asked for, long after the protective order was issued, and right before Allison Riepe's deposition on January 26, 2012.

 The problems with housing had gotten so bad that Mary Rieser called a formal "Board of Investigation"1 to decide what to do about housing and Delgado Development (Don and Maria Delgado), BEFORE Patrick's death. 

The B of I involved communications back and forth with Narconon International, findings by the local Narconon "justices" (this may have a scientology name that I don't know), and a decision (which I believe is the "Urgent Directive documents") to put the Delgados on probation with regard to the housing.  The possibility was even discussed of putting the housing under the control of Narconon International, which Harris pointed out in the hearing, "would have been illegal also."

The Defendents' responses to discovery stated that no such documents existed, and in her deposition(s), Mary Rieser said "I forgot." 

...

It would also be nice if an ex-member with in-depth knowledge of the procedures followed in a "Board of Investigation" could write up a description of it.  Or maybe someone could point to an existing description.


1 From Ray Hill's Scientology Glossary (http://www.xenu-directory.net/glossary/glossary_b.htm#B):
B of I: Board of investigation. A Scientology kangaroo-court-like internal Ethics board. "A B of I will be convened for Harry next Tuesday."

Not an ex, just a person who dislikes people being taking advantage of by this scam, and some one who is really pissed that the government can't be bothered to act despite previous deaths. I had a little time and used some google-fu:

Page 66 of:
http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/ADMIN_DICTIONARY.pdf

BOARD OF INVESTIGATION, 1-thepurpose of a Board of Investigation is to help LRH discover the cause in any conflict, poor performance or down statistic. A Board of Investigation is composed of not less than three and not more than five members. A majority of the members must be senior to the persons being investigated except when this is impossible. The board may investigate by calling in a body on the persons concerned or by sitting and summoning witnesses or principals. A Board of Investigation is a much less serious affair than a Committee of Evidence. Persons appearing before it are not under duress or punishment. The whole purpose is to get at the facts. A Board may recommend a Committee of Evidence. (HCO PL 4 Jun 66) 2. a Board of Investigation may (and should) be convened any time there is an unusual improvement in an org or its statistics. Such a Board must (a) isolate the reasons or changes which brought about the improvement. (b) draw up their findings in the form of policy or directives to pass them on to the convening authority and W recommend commending any person found responsible for the improvement (the board does not command, it only recommends, the convening authority alone may issue the commendation). (HCO PL 31 Oct 66 II) Abbr. B of I.

Start on page 5 of the linked file for the policy letter for setting up and running a board of investigation:
http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/Management_Series_2_txt.pdf
Just a small part (I like the reference to disaster):
“So in the face of disaster issue an urgent directive as best you can and hope you are right in
your directed action.
THE BOARD
Convene now a Board of Investigation composed of impartial members who will investigate
Thoroughly”
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 03, 2012, 19:08
Very nice!  Thank you!  According to this: http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/Management_Series_2_txt.pdf , the Urgent Directive would have come first, before the Board of Investigation.  It says this:

Quote
ACTIONS, EXECUTIVE, FOR HANDLING DISASTROUS OCCURRENCES

There are three steps necessary on the part of a senior executive who discovers a situation which may be disastrous to the org.

The executive's actions are as follows:
1. Issue orders of a remedying or preventive nature instantly by directive, to remain in effect until all data is in. This is called an urgent directive.

2. Appoint a Board of Investigation to investigate the matter, with orders to investigate fully and couch findings in terms of a directive or policy for issue,

3. Pass or modify the Board's findings as orders to supplant the urgent directive issued as I above. This is called the final directive or policy.

Then it says:

Quote
However, for such a directive to remain law forever is obviously wrong as it may be wholly arbitrary and may eventually get in somebody's hair.

So for them to have issued an Urgent Directive, then a Board of Investigation, and not have issued the Final Directive (which they claim they have no documents for) is wrong, according to Hubbard.

Quote
THE FINAL DIRECTIVE

When the convening authority has the board's findings to hand, he studies the proceedings and findings to make certain that the disaster is fully handled by the findings and that further disasters of like nature are inhibited by these findings from occurring.

If he is satisfied on this score (that the findings are adequate), he must now see that they do not violate the fast flow system of management to any great degree and that they are as adequate as the urgent directive in arresting the disaster. If so, the executive sends the findings through regular channels with all papers to make them into law. Until actually law, the urgent directive is still in force.

If he is not satisfied or doubtful that the findings are adequate, he can convene another board to do a better job. If he does convene another board, the urgent directive remains in force.

The findings actually become law only when
a. The convening authority has passed them as they are or modified by himself or another board

b. The findings have gone through all steps necessary to become law

c. The findings are finally the law.

Then the urgent directive is canceled. It must be canceled when the findings become law and may not remain as a possible arbitrary.

The above is good administration.

Some governing bodies use only urgent directives.

Some use only committees or boards or senates.

To use less than all three in the face of a disastrous situation is poor admin.

About Personnel, it says this:

Quote
PERSONNEL
Steps 1, 2 and 3 can also be used on personnel where the executive thinks a staff member is the reason. Suspension from post pending investigation would be the urgent directive in this case. However, the staff member so suspended may not be deprived of wages and must be given an apology if found not to be the reason. And no real action may be taken unless there is an ethics action recommended by the board and only if the person is found guilty in that ethics action.

In this case there are four steps:
1. Urgent directive

2. Board of Investigation

3. Ethics action or no ethics action

4. Final directive either (a) restoring the personnel and stating the real causes in the form of a separate directive with long-range actions to handle the situation, or (b) appointing a new personnel and recommending in a separate directive long-range actions to handle the situation.

The steps are four because there are two matters involved: (a) the personnel and (b) the situation. Even if the personnel was at fault, there must be something else wrong too if a  personnel got into a post who didn't belong there.

So there really HAD to be a Final Directive, or else they're squirrels.  And poor admins.

Or Squirrel Admins!   :D

From the admin dictionary (http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/ADMIN_DICTIONARY.pdf):
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SQUIRREL ADMIN, the departure or alteration of standard admin. The use of the word "squirrel" is long standing because squirrels in their little cages go 'round and 'round and get nowhere and they are also, a bad pun, "nutty," meaning a bit crazy. The main source of squirrel admin is simply ignorance of policy procedure or the neglect of reading and applying it as simply as that.
(HCO PL 4 Jun 71)

  :-D^\^\

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 03, 2012, 20:32
  My head. This stuff hurts it. (:E(
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 04, 2012, 00:25
I love and respect the people for putting their names on that petition to the court!

Here is a copy of a copy, the original policy letter on  Boards of Investigation of which I found at this link starting on page 568 :
http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/OEC1_txt.pdf

Fair Use Reprint of text from the above link:

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 4 JUNE 1966
Remimeo
All Staff DIVISION 1
DEPT OF INSPECTION AND REPORTS

BOARD OF INVESTIGATION

Boards of Investigation are hereby established.
CONVENING AUTHORITIES

They may be convened by the LRH Communicator The Guardian An Assistant Guardian
The Advisory Council An HCO Exec Sec An Org Exec Sec An HCO Sec The Director of
Inspection & Reports

The LRH Comm (Area or Cont) may convene a Board of Investigation on Executive
Secretaries or any other executive or staff member below Executive Secretary but not on the
Executive Director, a Guardian or Assistant Guardian.
The Guardian may convene a board on anyone but the Executive Director.
An Assistant Guardian may convene a board with permission of the Guardian whose
authority the Assistant Guardian uses.

Executive Secretaries may convene a Board of Investigation to be convened by the
HCO Area Sec on any executive or staff member in their portion of the organisation but not
cross-portion (i.e. the HCO Exec Sec may not convene a board in the Org portion and the Org
Exec Sec may not convene a board on the HCO portion).

The Advisory Council may convene a board on an LRH Communicator and anyone
else except the Executive Director and the Guardian, but not on a senior org.
Other convening authorities may convene a board on their equals in rank or on juniors.

PURPOSE

The purpose of a Board of Investigation is:
10 HELP LRH DISCOVER THE CAUSE IN ANY CONFLICT, POOR
PERFORMANCE OR DOWN STATISTIC.

COMPOSITION
A Board of Investigation is composed of not less than 3 and not more than 5 members.
A majority of the members must be senior to the persons being investigated except
when this is impossible.

CONDUCT
The Board may investigate by calling in a body on the persons concerned or by sitting
and summoning witnesses or principals.

FUNCTION
A Board of Investigation is a much less serious affair than a Committee of Evidence.
Persons appearing before it are not under duress or punishment.
The whole purpose is to get at the facts.

569

No disciplinary measure may result except for false attestation.
The Board may recommend an Executive Ethics Hearing or an Ethics Hearing if
crimes or high crimes are found but may take no action on errors or misdemeanors.
False attestation before a Board must result in an Executive Ethics Hearing or Ethics
Hearing.

FINDINGS
The findings of a Board of Investigation are sent to the convening authority and from
this orders can be issued or the convening authority can request action or policy from higher
authority. (The method of making policy is not changed.)

FORM
In all other ways the form of a Board, its orders, conduct and finding is the same as in
a Committee of Evidence.

COMMITTEE OF EVIDENCE
A Committee of Evidence is convened on the subject of a known crime or high crime
as it has come to be looked on (and is) a trial by jury, there being a charge.
A board may recommend a Committee of Evidence.

L. RON HUBBARD

LRH:lb-r.cden Copyright(~) 1966 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

HUBBARD COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE
Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, Sussex
HCO POLICY LETTER OF 31 OCTOBER 1966 Issue II
Remimeo

BOARDS OF INVESTIGATION (Adds to HCO Pol Ltr of 4 June 1966)

A Board of Investigation may (and should) be convened any time there is an unusual
improvement in an org or its statistics.

Such a Board must (a) isolate the reasons or changes which brought about the improvement;
(b) draw up their findings in the form of policy or directives to pass them on to
the convening authority; and (c) recommend commending any person found responsible for
the improvement (the Board does not commend, it only recommends, the convening authority
alone may issue the commendation).

FORM OF FINDINGS
All findings of a Board of Investigation must be phrased in terms that may be issued
without change by a convening authority as a directive or, by the proper additional lines, policy.
The convening authority may alter this wording but it must be written so that it does
not need to be re-written.

L. RON HUBBARD
LRH:rd.cden Founder
Copyright (c) 1966
by L. Ron Hubbard
ALL RIGHTS RESERVED
 
 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 06, 2012, 04:59
Ran across this about Mary Reiser from 2010 before this case.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/ceo-narconon-georgia-home-foreclosure.56940/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 06, 2012, 08:49
Ran across this about Mary Reiser from 2010 before this case.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/ceo-narconon-georgia-home-foreclosure.56940/

Yes, that's already posted about here
CEO of Narconon of Georgia Home Foreclosure
April 02, 2010, 12:48
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,4355.0.html
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 11, 2012, 13:02
The Desmond case is mentioned in Tony Ortega's latest story on Narconon:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/08/scientology_narconon_extremely_vulnerable.php

Thank you, Tony!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 11, 2012, 13:30
Yes, And thank you, Jeff Harris :)
Title: Re:
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 15, 2012, 10:09
 Are there any legal minds here who could explain the meaning of these two recent motions within the The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al case?

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Docket Text Details

Case ID     10A28641
Description     MOTION TO DISMISS
Docket Filing Date     13-AUG-2012
Associated Party     SEAN L HYNES
Text     
    AADINO - JOINT MOTION TO DISMISS BY PLTFS AND DEF DELGADO DEVELOPMENT INC - W/PROPOSED ORDER

Quote
Docket Text Details

Case ID     10A28641
Description     TO JUDGE
Docket Filing Date     13-AUG-2012
Associated Party     None
Text     
    AADINO - FOR JOINT MOTION TO DISMISS BY PLTFS AND DEF DELGADO DEVELOPMENT INC
Title: Re:
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 15, 2012, 10:51
Are there any legal minds here who could explain the meaning of these two recent motions within the The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al case?

Quote
Docket Text Details

Case ID     10A28641
Description     MOTION TO DISMISS
Docket Filing Date     13-AUG-2012
Associated Party     SEAN L HYNES
Text     
    AADINO - JOINT MOTION TO DISMISS BY PLTFS AND DEF DELGADO DEVELOPMENT INC - W/PROPOSED ORDER

Quote
Docket Text Details

Case ID     10A28641
Description     TO JUDGE
Docket Filing Date     13-AUG-2012
Associated Party     None
Text     
    AADINO - FOR JOINT MOTION TO DISMISS BY PLTFS AND DEF DELGADO DEVELOPMENT INC

Looks like Delgado and their company settled
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 15, 2012, 11:03
Would a description of the settlement be at the courthouse?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 15, 2012, 11:20
Would a description of the settlement be at the courthouse?

Probably not. Usually when I see things those last 2 docket entries, they only state that there is a mutual agreement satisfactory to both plaintiff and specific defendent, along with a request to dismiss sent in my the plaintiff stating this, which the judge has signed after verifying both parties have agreed..

Scientology and Narocnon are notorious for gag agreements - non disclosure agreements used in settlements . They don't want people knowing the terms of what they settled for or what poeople suing them settled for.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 15, 2012, 11:43
OK, but I was ready to run over there and get the scoop.  #*|*#
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 15, 2012, 11:44
Would a description of the settlement be at the courthouse?

Probably not. Usually when I see things those last 2 docket entries, they only state that there is a mutual agreement satisfactory to both plaintiff and specific defendent, along with a request to dismiss sent in my the plaintiff stating this, which the judge has signed after verifying both parties have agreed..

Scientology and Narocnon are notorious for gag agreements - non disclosure agreements used in settlements . They don't want people knowing the terms of what they settled for or what poeople suing them settled for.


 Would the settlement agreements from both Delgado Development and Dr. Robbins bolster the plaintiffs case against defendants Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International? I take a settlement as an admission of guilt ergo stopping the potential financial award that a jury could deem appropriate if in fact said defendants were found culpable if they in fact went to trial.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 15, 2012, 11:45
OK, but I was ready to run over there and get the scoop.  #*|*#
That would be nice!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 15, 2012, 12:24
It looks like the case is closed. Delgado and Narconon.

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NARCONON INTERNATIONAL     DEFENDANT     10A28641     State Civil Suits     State     Patrick C Desmond Vs Narconon Of Georgia Inc     19-MAY-2010     CLOSED

 NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC     DEFENDANT     10A28641     State Civil Suits     State     Patrick C Desmond Vs Narconon Of Georgia Inc     19-MAY-2010     CLOSED
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on August 15, 2012, 14:41
I think that is a website glitch.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 15, 2012, 16:04
Seriously?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on August 15, 2012, 16:08
Seriously?

Maybe, accidentally on purpose?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 15, 2012, 16:45
 Seperating the wheat from the chaff ;)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 15, 2012, 17:07
Hope that's all it is. I can go check tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 15, 2012, 17:17
Seriously?

Maybe, accidentally on purpose?


 Tin foil to Lead foil.....Hmmmm. Did you know its hard to keep track of all this while posting from a 3 inch phone screen while mutli tasking for big pharma! ^^or__
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on August 15, 2012, 20:00
Seriously?

Maybe, accidentally on purpose?


 Tin foil to Lead foil.....Hmmmm. Did you know its hard to keep track of all this while posting from a 3 inch phone screen while mutli tasking for big pharma! ^^or__

The foil, it multiplies. 3((:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 15, 2012, 23:17
It looks like the case is closed. Delgado and Narconon.

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NARCONON INTERNATIONAL     DEFENDANT     10A28641     State Civil Suits     State     Patrick C Desmond Vs Narconon Of Georgia Inc     19-MAY-2010     CLOSED

 NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC     DEFENDANT     10A28641     State Civil Suits     State     Patrick C Desmond Vs Narconon Of Georgia Inc     19-MAY-2010     CLOSED
Where did you copy and paste this from? I couldn't see that. only saw this, which is not evidenced anywhere else


August 15, 2012 ( Information last refreshed 15-AUG-2012 06:40:57 PM EST )
Case: 10A28641 (Closed) PATRICK C DESMOND VS NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC
Filing Date: 05/19/2010 Type: State Civil Suits
Judge: Stacey K Hydrick State Court
Secondary: Wrongful Death
Tertiary: Personal Injury
Related Cases:   
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As far as I know, the case is open.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 16, 2012, 06:33
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August 15, 2012 ( Information last refreshed 15-AUG-2012 06:40:57 PM EST )
Case: 10A28641 (Closed) PATRICK C DESMOND VS NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC
Filing Date: 05/19/2010 Type: State Civil Suits
Judge: Stacey K Hydrick State Court
Secondary: Wrongful Death
Tertiary: Personal Injury
Related Cases:   
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If you search in the Name box
DesmondPatrick
you get those two entries.

If you search for Narconon ("All cases" button) you get:

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even though the page you show comes up with the "open" button on the upper right clicked.


Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 16, 2012, 07:03
It's been saying that since shortly after the hearing, around the end of July, and yet more things have been filed since then.  It's a mystery as to how or why that was put on there.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 16, 2012, 07:39
OK that's a relief.   
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 16, 2012, 08:48
I emailed the clerk and was told that the OJS site, it is just not very good but they will report the error. The case is most definitely not closed. It can be accessed by entering the case no,  10A28641
When I put in the number, leaving it set for only open cases, it popped up.


Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 16, 2012, 11:43
The files are currently on the Judge's desk waiting her decision on the motion to dismiss the Delgado part.  So no new News today.  She also confirmed case wasn't closed.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 16, 2012, 12:44
The files are currently on the Judge's desk waiting her decision on the motion to dismiss the Delgado part.  So no new News today.  She also confirmed case wasn't closed.

Good!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 19, 2012, 18:03
Ms. Marschalk, since you're watching this space, please notice that we have not now nor have we ever cherry picked any documents to post.  We get all documents from the courthouse that we can, when we can, and we post even the boring court housekeeping documents.

We may choose to discuss certain documents in more depth than others (that is our prerogative), but realistically speaking, how much discussion can there be over a Rule 5.2 Certificate??

Also note that we have not posted any video clips from depositions, or transcripts of any depositions besides Mary Rieser's 1st deposition - we do not have those yet - why do you think we filed a petition asking for them?  Hmmm?

Please keep watching this space, Ms. Marschalk - we may have further communications we'd like you to see.   :)



New docs incoming.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31-NNGa-RequestForOralArgumentOnBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31-NNGasResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-NoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments-NNGasSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-OriginalDiscovery-NNGasSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-OriginalDiscovery-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DearJudgeHydrickFromDavidRootCounselForNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DearJudgeHydrickFromJeffreyHarris.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-Rule52-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs4thInterrogatories-PunititiveDamagesDiscovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-Rule52-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-11-Rule52-Delgados3rdInterrogatories-2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-14-Order-MotionsHearing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-27-Rule52-DefendentsNNIntResponsesToPlaintiffs5thInterrogatories-5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-03-DefendentsNNIntNNGaDelgadoDevelopment-NoticeofNon-PartyFaultAndRequestForApportionment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-06-Rule52PlaintiffsNoteToTakeVideotapeDepositionsOfClaudiaArcabascioAndYarkoManzanares-Rule30-b-6VideoDeposition-NoticeToPriduceDefendantNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-16-NNGasSupplementalResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotion-MemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-ConsentJudgement-Robbins.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-NNgasJuly19-2012-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-Rule52-NNgas2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thInterrogatories-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-20-NNgasNoticeOfFilingOriganlDiscovery-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-23-NNInts1stInterrogatories-1stRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToPlaintiffsAmendedComplaint.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgas2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgas3rdSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgasNoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery-3rdSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-Rule52-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-30-Rule52-NNgas6thInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs-6thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-01-DefendantNNGasMotionAndIncorporatedBriefInSupportThereofToKeepCertainDocumentsFiledWithTheCourtUnderSeal.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-07-PlaintiffsAcknowledgementOfSatisfactionOfJudgement-Robbins.pdf

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 19, 2012, 18:37
Ms. Marschalk, since you're watching this space, please notice that we have not now nor have we ever cherry picked any documents to post.  We get all documents from the courthouse that we can, when we can, and we post even the boring court housekeeping documents.

We may choose to discuss certain documents in more depth than others (that is our prerogative), but realistically speaking, how much discussion can there be over a Rule 5.2 Certificate??

Also note that we have not posted any video clips from depositions, or transcripts of any depositions besides Mary Rieser's 1st deposition - we do not have those yet - why do you think we filed a petition asking for them?  Hmmm?

Please keep watching this space, Ms. Marschalk - we may have further communications we'd like you to see.   :)



New docs incoming.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31-NNGa-RequestForOralArgumentOnBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31-NNGasResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-NoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments-NNGasSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-OriginalDiscovery-NNGasSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-OriginalDiscovery-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DearJudgeHydrickFromDavidRootCounselForNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DearJudgeHydrickFromJeffreyHarris.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-Rule52-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs4thInterrogatories-PunititiveDamagesDiscovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-Rule52-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-11-Rule52-Delgados3rdInterrogatories-2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-14-Order-MotionsHearing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-27-Rule52-DefendentsNNIntResponsesToPlaintiffs5thInterrogatories-5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-03-DefendentsNNIntNNGaDelgadoDevelopment-NoticeofNon-PartyFaultAndRequestForApportionment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-06-Rule52PlaintiffsNoteToTakeVideotapeDepositionsOfClaudiaArcabascioAndYarkoManzanares-Rule30-b-6VideoDeposition-NoticeToPriduceDefendantNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-16-NNGasSupplementalResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotion-MemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-ConsentJudgement-Robbins.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-NNgasJuly19-2012-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-Rule52-NNgas2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thInterrogatories-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-20-NNgasNoticeOfFilingOriganlDiscovery-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-23-NNInts1stInterrogatories-1stRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToPlaintiffsAmendedComplaint.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgas2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgas3rdSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgasNoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery-3rdSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-Rule52-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-30-Rule52-NNgas6thInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs-6thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-01-DefendantNNGasMotionAndIncorporatedBriefInSupportThereofToKeepCertainDocumentsFiledWithTheCourtUnderSeal.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-07-PlaintiffsAcknowledgementOfSatisfactionOfJudgement-Robbins.pdf

 Transparency. It works and it helps people. :D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 20, 2012, 13:33
Ms. Marschalk, since you're watching this space, please notice that we have not now nor have we ever cherry picked any documents to post.  We get all documents from the courthouse that we can, when we can, and we post even the boring court housekeeping documents.

We may choose to discuss certain documents in more depth than others (that is our prerogative), but realistically speaking, how much discussion can there be over a Rule 5.2 Certificate??

Also note that we have not posted any video clips from depositions, or transcripts of any depositions besides Mary Rieser's 1st deposition - we do not have those yet - why do you think we filed a petition asking for them?  Hmmm?

Please keep watching this space, Ms. Marschalk - we may have further communications we'd like you to see.   :)



New docs incoming.

 3((:
Hi Barbara  ;D

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 21, 2012, 08:03
Ms. Marschalk, since you're watching this space, please notice that we have not now nor have we ever cherry picked any documents to post.  We get all documents from the courthouse that we can, when we can, and we post even the boring court housekeeping documents.

We may choose to discuss certain documents in more depth than others (that is our prerogative), but realistically speaking, how much discussion can there be over a Rule 5.2 Certificate??

Also note that we have not posted any video clips from depositions, or transcripts of any depositions besides Mary Rieser's 1st deposition - we do not have those yet - why do you think we filed a petition asking for them?  Hmmm?

Please keep watching this space, Ms. Marschalk - we may have further communications we'd like you to see.   :)



New docs incoming.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31-NNGa-RequestForOralArgumentOnBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForSanctions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-05-31-NNGasResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotionMemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-NoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments-NNGasSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-OriginalDiscovery-NNGasSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-01-OriginalDiscovery-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DearJudgeHydrickFromDavidRootCounselForNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DearJudgeHydrickFromJeffreyHarris.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-Rule52-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs4thInterrogatories-PunititiveDamagesDiscovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-Rule52-NNIntsSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-11-Rule52-Delgados3rdInterrogatories-2ndRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-14-Order-MotionsHearing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-27-Rule52-DefendentsNNIntResponsesToPlaintiffs5thInterrogatories-5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-03-DefendentsNNIntNNGaDelgadoDevelopment-NoticeofNon-PartyFaultAndRequestForApportionment.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-06-Rule52PlaintiffsNoteToTakeVideotapeDepositionsOfClaudiaArcabascioAndYarkoManzanares-Rule30-b-6VideoDeposition-NoticeToPriduceDefendantNNInt.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-16-NNGasSupplementalResponseToPlaintiffsConsolidatedMotion-MemorandumAndSupplementalMemorandumToUnsealDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-ConsentJudgement-Robbins.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-NNgasJuly19-2012-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-19-Rule52-NNgas2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thInterrogatories-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-20-NNgasNoticeOfFilingOriganlDiscovery-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs3rdRequestForProductionOfDocuments-2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-23-NNInts1stInterrogatories-1stRequestForProductionOfDocumentsToPlaintiffsAmendedComplaint.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgas2ndSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgas3rdSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-NNgasNoticeOfFilingOriginalDiscovery-3rdSupplementalResponsesToPlaintiffs5thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-24-Rule52-NNIntsResponsesToPlaintiffs4thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-30-Rule52-NNgas6thInterrogatoriesToPlaintiffs-6thRequestForProductionOfDocuments.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-01-DefendantNNGasMotionAndIncorporatedBriefInSupportThereofToKeepCertainDocumentsFiledWithTheCourtUnderSeal.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-07-PlaintiffsAcknowledgementOfSatisfactionOfJudgement-Robbins.pdf


 Having read these and other documents pertaining to this case, I as a petitioner to unseal documents within this case am stunned @ the out and out falsehoods, vague references and issues raised by defense counsel that can never be substantiated when referring to why these court documents should not be presented to the general public.

  As I have now come to understand, flowery language and various legal tactic,s are the norm when counsel presents their clients case before the courts. This is a time honored norm within the legal community. I fully understand this.

 Within my trade I have filmed "Mocked up court rooms" built by law firms in order to practice the manner in which the firm may present a case before either a judge or jury.On that note theatric,s being one of many venues practiced in order for counsel to bolster its position within a court of law. This I also understand.

 I,d like to further state when witnessing counsel for Narconon of Georgia during their last appearance before the courts it was evident the professional manner in which said counsel carried herself. That professionalism I have the utmost respect for. Now when I read some of these motions and briefs, I come away with the thought of having seen this type of creative license with the facts before. It is of my opinion members within the church of Scientology and its Los Angeles legal counsel were party to the drafting of some of these briefs and motions.

 Why are those individuals party to this case? They are to my understanding not licensed to practice law within our state. Why do these outside entities have access, privileges,input and concern in regard to this case and yet the general public according to counsel should not be allowed access to documents this citizen feels is of importance to the general public?

 Counsel does not have a monopoly on what is and is not of interest to the general public. The laws within the state of Georgia allow ANY citizen to both attend a court case and have ease of access to documents the courts deem appropriate by law!

 Therefore I stand by my assertion documents within this case be made public,they are in my humble opinion in the publics interest.

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 23, 2012, 14:45
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Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date      23-AUG-2012
Associated Party      None
Text      
     DEFTS NARCONON OF GEORGIA AND NARCONON INTERNATIONAL IS ORDERED TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTS WITHIN 10 DAYS FROM THE ENTRY OF THIS ORDER (SEE ORDER) TYD
http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org/servlet/page?_pageid=65,289&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&dcms.case_id=10A28641&dcms.ent_code=COURTS&dcms.pstart=0&dcms.sstart=0
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 23, 2012, 15:40

Link doesn't work. Must be too hot.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on August 23, 2012, 16:10
The link works, but it takes you to a 'Single Sign-On' page.

Do you have to create a User ID to view court documents, and if so where?? There's no "Create an account" link I can see.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 23, 2012, 16:16
Go here: http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org/
Click Enter
Select Individual for User Type
Click Login
Wait...wait...wait...  very slow during the daytime
Then, under Case ID, enter 10A28641
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 23, 2012, 16:17
The link works, but it takes you to a 'Single Sign-On' page.

Do you have to create a User ID to view court documents, and if so where?? There's no "Create an account" link I can see.
Try these

 Click first text item in list
http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org/servlet/page?_pageid=65,289&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&dcms.case_id=10A28641&dcms.ent_code=COURTS&dcms.pstart=0&dcms.sstart=0

or Search Civil case id 10A28641 click first text item in list
http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 23, 2012, 16:18
lol
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 23, 2012, 16:19
I usually

because it seems more official.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on August 23, 2012, 16:39
Ok, that worked. Do we know what documents they are being ordered to produced?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 23, 2012, 16:42
The ones they wanted kept sealed - that would be my guess. That was the last thing on the judge's desk.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 27, 2012, 08:46
 RESPONSE         24-AUG-2012    AADIN O PLTFS RESPONSE IN OPPOSITION TO DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION ...
                                                            TO KEEP CERTAIN DOCS FILED WITH THE COURT UNDERSEAL

   
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF MARY PATRICE RIESER                                                             
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MARY RIESER                                                         
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF NICHOLAS PARSONS
                                                        
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - OF VIDEO DEPOSITION OF TRACEY EVELYN REYNOLDS                                       
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF DON DELGADO
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF ALLISON RIEPE
   
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - RECVED. COPY OF VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF MAR O' DONNELL    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - OF A KENISON ROY III MD    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF MARIA DELGADO    

 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF SOVEREIGN PLACE LLC, DEPOSTION DESIGNEE ELIZABETH E ... BACKUS
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - DEPOSITION OF JAMIE LEA THOMPSON    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF JETTE MCGRGOR    

 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - VIDEO DEPOSITION OF JAMES JERRY MCLAUGHLIN    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - DEPOSITION OF CLARK ROEBERT NIXDORF CARR    
 DEPOSITION     24-AUG-2012     AADINO - RECVED. COPU OF DEPOSITION OF GERALD T GOWITT MD    

 ORDER FILED     23-AUG-2012     DEFTS NARCONON OF GEORGIA AND NARCONON INTERNATIONAL IS ORDERED TO PRODUCE ...
                                                           DOCUMENTS WITHIN 10 DAYS FROM THE ENTRY OF THIS ORDER (SEE ORDER) TYD    
 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on August 27, 2012, 16:36
^^^^
This should provide some interesting, yet lengthy reading.....

 ooo}
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 27, 2012, 20:09
These ought to keep you happy occupied for a while!   ;)

After the "Plaintiffs' Motion to Unseal Documents", and the non-party "Petition by Ann Lowe and Matthew Hurley To Unseal Documents Of Record And Open Depositions", Narconon of Georgia filed a "Motion To Keep Certain Documents Filed With The Court Under Seal".  This is the Plaintiffs response to Narconon of Georgia's Motion.  I can say for an absolute fact that the petitioners are two happy people now, but are awaiting the unsealing of the documents that remain "Under Seal".   ;)
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-24-PlaintiffsResponseInOppositionToNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToKeepCertainDocumentsFiledWithTheCourtUnderSeal.pdf

Mary C. Desmond is Patrick's mother:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfMaryCDesmond.pdf

Patrick C. Desmond is Patrick's father:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfPatrickCDesmond.pdf

Lisa Robbins, M.D. was Narconon of Georgia's Medical Director.  There was apparently some confusion as to the duties of the Medical Director.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-05-DepositionOfLisaRobbinsMD.pdf

Lisa Mooty was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-18-DepositionOfLisaMooty.pdf

Mary Rieser is the Executive Director of Narconon of Georgia.  This is her first deposition, which resulted in Sanctions against Narconon, whereby they had to make her available for a second deposition taken at their expense. 
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-23-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Elizabeth Backus served as a representative of Sovereign Place, the apartments where Patrick and other Narconon of Georgia clients were housed.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-28-DepositionOfElizabethBackus.pdf

This is the second deposition for Mary Rieser, paid for by Narconon of Georgia and/or their attorneys:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-14-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Gerald T. Gowitt, MD was the Medical Examiner:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-28-DepositionOfDrGeraldTGowittMD.pdf

Bradley Taylor was a client of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there, sent there by the Tennessee Drug Court:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-02-DepositionOfBradleyTaylor.pdf

Bradley Taylor's father, who paid for the Narconon of Georgia program:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-02-DepositionOfRandyTaylor.pdf

Mark O'Donnell was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-20-DepositionOfMarkODonnell.pdf

Maria Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfMariaDelgado.pdf

Don Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfDonDelgado.pdf

Tracey Stepler was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-18-DepositionOfTraceyStepler.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-09-DepositionOfDrFrancisWillardRushing.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-20-DepositionOfDrAKenisonRoyIIIMD.pdf

Jamie Thompson was a client of Narconon of Georgia prior to Patrick's arrival:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-21-DepositionOfJamieThompson.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-05-DepositionOfStephenAlanKent.pdf

Allison Riepe was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there.  She later ran a housing program at the request of Mary Rieser, after Patrick's death:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-27-DepositionOfAllisonRiepe.pdf

Nina Edidin was a lawyer at the Georgia Department of Human Resources:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-17-DepositionOfNinaEdidin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-06-DepositionOfJamesJerryMcLaughlin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-DepositionOfDrLouisAdolphCasalMD.pdf

Employee of Narconon International, Kent McGregor's wife:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DepositionOfJetteMcGregor.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfYarkoManzanares.pdf

President of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-11-DepositionOfClarkCarr.pdf

 cU#__
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on August 27, 2012, 20:28
I am just getting:

Not Found blah blah blah

I hope I did not break it ;).
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 27, 2012, 20:35
Should be fixed now.   :P
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 27, 2012, 20:50
These ought to keep you happy occupied for a while!   ;)

After the "Plaintiffs' Motion to Unseal Documents", and the non-party "Petition by Ann Lowe and Matthew Hurley To Unseal Documents Of Record And Open Depositions", Narconon of Georgia filed a "Motion To Keep Certain Documents Filed With The Court Under Seal".  This is the Plaintiffs response to Narconon of Georgia's Motion.  I can say for an absolute fact that the petitioners are two happy people now, but are awaiting the unsealing of the documents that remain "Under Seal".   ;)
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-24-PlaintiffsResponseInOppositionToNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToKeepCertainDocumentsFiledWithTheCourtUnderSeal.pdf

Mary C. Desmond is Patrick's mother:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfMaryCDesmond.pdf

Patrick C. Desmond is Patrick's father:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfPatrickCDesmond.pdf

Lisa Robbins, M.D. was Narconon of Georgia's Medical Director.  There was apparently some confusion as to the duties of the Medical Director.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-05-DepositionOfLisaRobbinsMD.pdf

Lisa Mooty was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-18-DepositionOfLisaMooty.pdf

Mary Rieser is the Executive Director of Narconon of Georgia.  This is her first deposition, which resulted in Sanctions against Narconon, whereby they had to make her available for a second deposition taken at their expense. 
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-23-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Elizabeth Backus served as a representative of Sovereign Place, the apartments where Patrick and other Narconon of Georgia clients were housed.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-28-DepositionOfElizabethBackus.pdf

This is the second deposition for Mary Rieser, paid for by Narconon of Georgia and/or their attorneys:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-14-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Gerald T. Gowitt, MD was the Medical Examiner:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-28-DepositionOfDrGeraldTGowittMD.pdf

Bradley Taylor was a client of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there, sent there by the Tennessee Drug Court:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-02-DepositionOfBradleyTaylor.pdf

Bradley Taylor's father, who paid for the Narconon of Georgia program:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-02-DepositionOfRandyTaylor.pdf

Mark O'Donnell was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-20-DepositionOfMarkODonnell.pdf

Maria Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfMariaDelgado.pdf

Don Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfDonDelgado.pdf

Tracey Stepler was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-18-DepositionOfTraceyStepler.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/2011-12-09-DepositionOfDrFrancisWillardRushing.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-20-DepositionOfDrAKenisonRoyIIIMD.pdf

Jamie Thompson was a client of Narconon of Georgia prior to Patrick's arrival:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-21-DepositionOfJamieThompson.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-05-DepositionOfStephenAlanKent.pdf

Allison Riepe was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there.  She later ran a housing program at the request of Mary Rieser, after Patrick's death:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-27-DepositionOfAllisonRiepe.pdf

Nina Edidin was a lawyer at the Georgia Department of Human Resources:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-17-DepositionOfNinaEdidin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-06-DepositionOfJamesJerryMcLaughlin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-DepositionOfDrLouisAdolphCasalMD.pdf

Employee of Narconon International, Kent McGregor's wife:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DepositionOfJetteMcGregor.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfYarkoManzanares.pdf

President of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-11-DepositionOfClarkCarr.pdf

 cU#__

 :D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on August 27, 2012, 20:53
Should be fixed now.   :P

Yeay!
 ||||9000|||| :-thanks-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 27, 2012, 21:25
In addition to messing up links in the excitement, I also forgot to say thanks to the anonymous (small a) donation.

 :-thanks-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 27, 2012, 22:14
OK, here's what I posted at ESMB
" OMG! Must Read Depositions From Desmond lawsuit against Narconon etc "
and OCMB : " OMG! Must Read Depos From Desmond/Narconon lawsuit "

Thank goodness the State of Georgia believes we have a right to have access to court documents. Though Narconon of Georgia tried to make forum members of Tipping Point Forum and OCMB out to look like propagandists and anonymous terrorists, the real reason is because they do not want you to read what is happening in court. ( ref:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25528.html#msg25528 (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25528.html#msg25528))

So, here are some must read court depositions that were attached as proof of Narconon's scam of lies, deception and fraud as they tried to avoid responsibility for the death of Patrick Desmond.

Just released by the court from the Patrick Desmond case against Narconon of Georgia, Narconon Int, Delgado Development ( Maria and Don Delgado) etc.

But first, check out the plaintiff's response in opposition to Narconon of Georgia's motion to keep records ( including these depos) sealed from the public eye.

It contains the laundry list of crimes committed by Narconon of Georgia, Narconon Int and the Delgado development fake housing they set up. This response attached as exhibits a ton of depositions which are posted here.
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25711.html#msg25711

The funniest depos to read are

Maria Delgado and Don Delgado's ( amazing these 2 could ever hold a job), and Narconon Int's expert witness, Rev. James Jerry McLaughlin ( who probably won't be a witnesss after this depo, lol)

Of course, Mary Rieser, the ED had to redo hers because her attorney was sanctioned for interjecting during the first and trying to get Mary to shut up when, at a depo, you can't do that. So there are 2 depo's by Mary Rieser - See how Scientologists lie.

The most important ones so far that I have read are, in terms of documenting he fraud and lies, and Narconon's negligence in Patrick's death, from the following people:

Allison Riepe ( a whistleblower! ). Best insider report on what was going on at NNGA. ( Thank you Allison!!)
Brad Taylor - a grad of the program who Patrick was last with before he left the illegal housing;
Lisa Moody of a Fl Drug Court program who Mary Rieser duped into believing ( with false documents ) that NN Georgia was a residentail program when it wasn't;
Nina Edidin, former Georgia exec and attorney who represented GA licensing agency in sanctioning Narconon of Georgia back in 2007 for the highest offense on the books, which Narconon appealed. Ms.Edidin rep'd the licensing Div at that appeal, as well and through a settlement agreement. From day one these people at Narconon have been lying about their licensing, and getting caught, then bulling their way out and doing it again. This document is going to shake up the state of Georgia for sure.
Randy Taylor describes how NN GA sucked him into putting his son Brad in the program and the problems that occurred after Patrick's death.

Best Expert witness depo for plaintiff, IMHO: our beloved Dr. Stephen Kent. Best documentation on why Narconon is Scientology.

Much more.. and most will help in other Narconon cases.
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg25711.html#msg25711
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on August 27, 2012, 22:36
Thanks! You are way ahead of me in the reading department. ||||9000||||
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 27, 2012, 22:42
Thanks! You are way ahead of me in the reading department. ||||9000||||

lol! Speed reading comes in handy sometimes :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on August 28, 2012, 00:41
I was just getting started.

I'm currently shaking my head over Lisa Robbins depo. There is just sooooo much she doesn't know or didn't bother to find out!  _/?% :O^:O#red#
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 28, 2012, 01:11
I was just getting started.

I'm currently shaking my head over Lisa Robbins depo. There is just sooooo much she doesn't know or didn't bother to find out!  _/?% :O^:O#red#

Yeah, I know. Very scarey!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: TinyDancer on August 28, 2012, 06:50
A Huge Congrats to Ann and Matthew (and the plaintiffs, of course). Wow. Lots of reading for those long winter nights.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on August 28, 2012, 10:04


Jamie Thompson was a client of Narconon of Georgia prior to Patrick's arrival:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-21-DepositionOfJamieThompson.pdf



 Jamie Thompson was with Patrick W Desmond the night he passed away. Here is the 911 call made from the side of interstate 285 on that tragic night. The women heard in the background is Jamie Thompson.

 http://www.hark.com/clips/fzyrglkmwq-911-call-to-save-patrick-w-desmond-narconon-client

 Having read her deposition it just tears me up inside to see a young women fighting an addiction while under the care of Narconon of Georgia. Then to hear of the ease in which drugs are/were available while @ Narconon of Georgia.

 Further disturbing revelations are the family connections between Jamie Thompson and Martin Cohen, owner/operator of Pur-o-Cleanse, the defunct yet still in operation "Sauna" arm of Narconon of Georgia.

 Side note of interest within the depo was the mention of the Glynn County Georgia drug courts and Superior Court Judge Amanda F. Williams. Many here in the state of Georgia know of this particular judge.

http://www.gpb.org/news/2011/11/10/glynn-judge-faces-ethics-charges

http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/deal-picks-lawmaker-to-1401736.html

 Though Jamie Thompson and Judge Williams did not according to this depo have any interactions, It is worthy to note how systems in place to aid and protect the vulnerable can be corrupted by those we hold in high esteem. I have much more to say on this topic as my current interactions with another State agency (DCH) points to a system in need of a serious overhaul.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: AnonLover on August 29, 2012, 00:01
Holy crap. I just died and went to dox-loving heaven. Yes I did.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 29, 2012, 06:28
Clark Carr's deposition was missing pages.  It's complete now.

I also had the link wrong for Dr. Francis Willard Rushing's deposition.  It's fixed now too.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 29, 2012, 11:59
:-O<  Village Voice  :-D--U

Quote
Court Testimony: Narconon Intentionally Deceived a Florida Drug Court About Its Licensing
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/08/scientology_narconon_mary_rieser.php (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/08/scientology_narconon_mary_rieser.php)
By Tony Ortega Wed., Aug. 29 2012 at 7:00 AM

Quote
... The 2008 death of Narconon patient and employee Patrick Desmond produced a lawsuit by his family, and documents in that case provide a startling look at the deceptions that appear to be a part of the Narconon business model.

We now have court testimony from the lawsuit which shows that Narconon deceived a Florida drug court in order to keep quiet that it didn't have licensing to house patients.

L-O-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 29, 2012, 20:01
Choice comments from the different forums about these documents

Facebook comment of interest, lol

Andy Sewell
Whew! Lots of reading but, srsly, I'm lovin' me some Rebecca Franklin, ESQ,. Its like watching the tide come in and dissolve L Ron Hubbard's little sand castle.
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Tipping Point Forum

AnonLover
Holy crap. I just died and went to dox-loving heaven. Yes I did.

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ESMB
 
Posted by RogerB View Post
WOWZER!

This could/should reverberate throughout the USA.

The fraudulent, lying shit the Cof$ affiliated ops pull is so insane as to be unbelievable by sane people.

I have the feeling that the outrage this shit should have in the US media could well begin the spotlight of exposure on the cult like what is bringing the cult to heal in Oz.

These silly SOB's in the cult don't learn, can't think, and consider themselves outside of the norms and standards of decent societal behavior . . . it is bring them down.

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Whyweprotest comment on the list of depos :

DeathHamster

I love how James McLaughlin gets quizzed for over 70 pages on what the heck his real qualifications are. (A masters degree in theology and Narconon training.)

BigBeard

I'm confused. James McLaughlin is billed as an "Expert Witness" for NN GA, but his depositioon reads like ammo for the Desmonds. So whose side is he on anyways??????

anonymousamvines

 cos i forgot to say It's a wog psychiatrist :p who will never work as an expert witness again:p and they had to hire one :p and a crappy one who would say what they wanted:p and he is killing them:p and the final bit of irony/karma will be if he loses his wog practise:p

It won't fetch patrick back, but he hasn't died in vain
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Choice comments Village Voice
plumeria

Allison Riepe's testimony, page 11. The attorney hands her a document and says it's exhibit 3. She corrects him and says it's exhibit 4, and he concurs. I'd say Allison has an eye for details. I'd believe her over Mary Reisen anyday


magoo44

 plumeria I called Narconon Arrowhead as their sign says "Arrowhead Medical Detox". and asked if there was  Doctor there? The receptionist said: "I don't know". She put me through to some angry lady who said: "What do YOU Want?" I repeated: "I would like to know if you have a Doctor there or not?" She said: "That's confidential information". I said, "Really?" She said: "I'll have to take your name and Phone # and have our Medical team call you". I gave her BOTH. No one ever called. Medical Detox ....PULEEEASE. Learn the facts, ALL the facts. Tory/Magoo



scobeepesch

Mary Rieser used to be D/Exexcutive Director International for the Church of Scientology International.  That is one of the highest Sea Org positions possible.  She was a Sea Org member at the international Scientology headquarters in Hemet, Ca.

Narconon isn"t Scientology!?!?   Ya, and there is no such thing as disconnection.  We love families......  Lies, lies, lies......
Mat Pesch


AmyScobee

 scobeepesch If this Mary Reiser is the same Mary I know, she was the D/ED Int for Internal (responsible for manning up the Senior Executive Strata that manages all of Scientology). I  worked with her while she held that position to get executives arrived to the Hemet base.


Capt._Howdy

More something about Mary from Clambake. She sounds like another scientology "mother of year" nominee.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=32335


Capt._Howdy

 jensting

" In a 1992 Canadian court case, the lawyer defending the Church of Scientology said that "the prosecution witnesses (Scientologists testifying against the Church!) could not be believed, because they had all taken special training in how to lie."


GerardPlourde [..]
Another question, how much of the CO$'s income is dependent on this stream of revenue?


CoolHand

 GerardPlourde Good question.  The licensing fees wind up being fairly minimal to the actual church itself.  Ten percent from each center's adjusted gross income weekly goes to Narconon management offices, then ten percent of that goes to ABLE for licensing fees.  There are also the book fees that go to ABLE for each new client into Narconon.  In addition, the property Arrowhead operates from is not owned by them, but instead a separate holding company controlled by the church, for which Arrowhead has paid 30K per month for rent for the past 11 years (according to their 990 filings as well). 

 

In addition,  you also have any former clients who wind up becoming Scientologists that go on to pay for services directly from them (a low percentage, but some still do, of course).  The former clients who become staff have a higher conversion rate to Scientology since they begin to use it at work daily, and then they are open to all of the services and donations that the church hounds its parishioners for.

 

For example, the International Association of Scientologists (IAS) often uses Narconon as a means to tout their social betterment activities to go after church members for large donations, since the IAS is who put up the money for the purchase and renovation of the Arrowhead facility.  They spent about 3.5 million on it, but have gotten tens of millions in donations by "showcasing" it at events.

 

So, I guess the answer is that overall it can be a decent source of income for the church directly, just not as much as first assumed when people see that the program costs 30K per client.


CoolHand

 heathergraceful Aside from the program tenets contained in the books that are also available in different books at the church, the staff use the "management technology" contained in the Organization Executive Course of Hubbard Communication Office Policy Letters (HCO PLs) administratively, and the case supervisors, course supervisors and sauna personnel read from the Technical Volumes directly.  There are some "secularized" versions of these for Narconon staff, but the case supervisors especially use those to oversee each client's progress through the program. These are called Hubbard Communication Office Bulletins (HCOBs) and are the same used in the church

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on August 29, 2012, 21:01
Yeah but this one (above) had me busted up in stitches all day:

Quote
Holy crap. I just died and went to dox-loving heaven. Yes I did.

Thanks AnonLover   ;D



Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on August 29, 2012, 21:53
Yeah but this one (above) had me busted up in stitches all day:

Quote
Holy crap. I just died and went to dox-loving heaven. Yes I did.

Thanks AnonLover   ;D

AnonLover is a gem!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on August 30, 2012, 19:02
In reading the depositions I have 2 general comments:
1. The plaintiff attorneys showed extreme patience, persistence and professionalism in the NN and NN int employee depositions. Asking the questions over and over and pursuing the answer while getting non-answers had to have been the most frustrating thing to endure. I broke up when Claudia Arcabascio (director of legal affairs, NN int) started going on about a misundersood word she wanted to look up; then later when she did not understand the word "blow" and the attorney asked if she had heard of the book "Blown for Good".
2. Even Jamie Thompson who had little memory (due to heroine) of the night Patrick died had more comprehensible answers then the NN and NN int employees.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on August 30, 2012, 19:29
Haven't read them all yet, but Jeff Harris is very persistent and methodical.  He was absolutely prepared and appeared to be focused on the direction and disproving the false statements based on the documentation provided.  I've met a few of the people he had to depose and could actually hear their voices and see their mannerisms while reading some of this, making it all the more real and commending him in my mind for having to dig through the intended deception he has been dealt thus far.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on August 30, 2012, 19:33
I've met a few of the people he had to depose and could actually hear their voices and see their mannerisms while reading some of this, making it all the more real...

That must have been an odd experience for you.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 30, 2012, 22:48
Jamie Thompson was with Patrick W Desmond the night he passed away. Here is the 911 call made from the side of interstate 285 on that tragic night. The women heard in the background is Jamie Thompson.

 http://www.hark.com/clips/fzyrglkmwq-911-call-to-save-patrick-w-desmond-narconon-client

 Having read her deposition it just tears me up inside to see a young women fighting an addiction while under the care of Narconon of Georgia. Then to hear of the ease in which drugs are/were available while @ Narconon of Georgia.

Yes, me too.  After having heard the 911 call and read the witness statement to the police from that night, I had developed an attitude about Jamie and Bradley, one that resulted in quite some adjustment after reading their depositions, where they were revealed to be victims themselves.  With the chaos at the housing as described by multiple people, it is hard to understand how anyone could come out of there without developing a worse substance abuse problem than when they went in.  They are both haunted by what took place that night, and probably will be, for the rest of their lives. 


And reading the heart wrenching Deposition of Mary C. Desmond (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfMaryCDesmond.pdf), Patrick's mother, was almost too much, and it brought me to tears when I read:
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Q. Had Patrick passed by the time you got there?
A. Not legally.
Q. So tell me what happened.
A. I went into the room and Patrick was there with all the tubes and things that kept pumping him.  The doctor came in and spoke to me telling me what was going on and the fact that, you know, he was legally brain dead and his body was functioning from machines.  I laid with Patrick in the bed and I held him....

and then she described how she made the decision to take him off of life support.   :.{....

To happier times:
(http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/PatrickDesmond10.jpg)

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on August 31, 2012, 11:03
Is Maria Delgado incapable of uttering the "yes" word?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on August 31, 2012, 22:14
Is Maria Delgado incapable of uttering the "yes" word?

I bet that's what all her boyfriends say. 



 /o:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 01, 2012, 13:47
I saw this posted on WWP, I think.  Dr. Lisa Robbins as a guest on the Mo'Nique Show:
http://www.bet.com/searchresults.html?q=Dr.%20Lisa%20Robbins

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 01, 2012, 13:54
These ought to keep you happy occupied for a while!   ;)

After the "Plaintiffs' Motion to Unseal Documents", and the non-party "Petition by Ann Lowe and Matthew Hurley To Unseal Documents Of Record And Open Depositions", Narconon of Georgia filed a "Motion To Keep Certain Documents Filed With The Court Under Seal".  This is the Plaintiffs response to Narconon of Georgia's Motion.  I can say for an absolute fact that the petitioners are two happy people now, but are awaiting the unsealing of the documents that remain "Under Seal".   ;)
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-24-PlaintiffsResponseInOppositionToNarcononOfGeorgiasMotionToKeepCertainDocumentsFiledWithTheCourtUnderSeal.pdf

Mary C. Desmond is Patrick's mother:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfMaryCDesmond.pdf

Patrick C. Desmond is Patrick's father:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-10-05-DepositionOfPatrickCDesmond.pdf

Lisa Robbins, M.D. was Narconon of Georgia's Medical Director.  There was apparently some confusion as to the duties of the Medical Director.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2010-11-05-DepositionOfLisaRobbinsMD.pdf

Lisa Mooty was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-01-18-DepositionOfLisaMooty.pdf

Mary Rieser is the Executive Director of Narconon of Georgia.  This is her first deposition, which resulted in Sanctions against Narconon, whereby they had to make her available for a second deposition taken at their expense. 
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-23-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Elizabeth Backus served as a representative of Sovereign Place, the apartments where Patrick and other Narconon of Georgia clients were housed.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-02-28-DepositionOfElizabethBackus.pdf

This is the second deposition for Mary Rieser, paid for by Narconon of Georgia and/or their attorneys:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-14-DepositionOfMaryPatriceRieser.pdf

Gerald T. Gowitt, MD was the Medical Examiner:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-09-28-DepositionOfDrGeraldTGowittMD.pdf

Bradley Taylor was a client of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there, sent there by the Tennessee Drug Court:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-02-DepositionOfBradleyTaylor.pdf

Bradley Taylor's father, who paid for the Narconon of Georgia program:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-02-DepositionOfRandyTaylor.pdf

Mark O'Donnell was with the Drug Court system in Florida:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-20-DepositionOfMarkODonnell.pdf

Maria Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfMariaDelgado.pdf

Don Delgado, of Delgado Development, ran the housing program at Sovereign Place at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-10-24-DepositionOfDonDelgado.pdf

Tracey Stepler was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-11-18-DepositionOfTraceyStepler.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-09-DepositionOfDrFrancisWillardRushing.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-20-DepositionOfDrAKenisonRoyIIIMD.pdf

Jamie Thompson was a client of Narconon of Georgia prior to Patrick's arrival:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-12-21-DepositionOfJamieThompson.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-05-DepositionOfStephenAlanKent.pdf

Allison Riepe was an employee of Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick was there.  She later ran a housing program at the request of Mary Rieser, after Patrick's death:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-01-27-DepositionOfAllisonRiepe.pdf

Nina Edidin was a lawyer at the Georgia Department of Human Resources:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-02-17-DepositionOfNinaEdidin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-06-DepositionOfJamesJerryMcLaughlin.pdf

Expert Witness:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-21-DepositionOfDrLouisAdolphCasalMD.pdf

Employee of Narconon International, Kent McGregor's wife:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-06-08-DepositionOfJetteMcGregor.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

Employee of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfYarkoManzanares.pdf

President of Narconon International:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-11-DepositionOfClarkCarr.pdf

 cU#__

 I am not in the least bit surprised by anything within the above documents. A decade long culture has been in place that gave rise to this whole sordid affair. This acceptable managorial/culture has co-existed within the operational procedures of Narconon of Georgia,Narconon International, its branch operations within the state of Georgia AND as an acceptable managorial/culture/ structure within the State of Georgia,s Department of Community Health.

 As I type this,many of the same issues revealed within the above documents are in fact apparently still acceptable to the state of Georgia and the Department of Community Health. Nothing has changed! Narconon of Georgia is in operation.  Discovery Course is in operation.  Pur-o-cleanse is in operation.

 All the above entities are in fact operational per Georgia Department of Community Health license and or other state license.

 One may ask, Why is this occurring? Why when the Georgia Department of Community Health is fully aware of the operational procedures executed by Narconon of Georgia and its branches?Why when the Georgia Department of Community Health is FULLY aware of not only this lawsuit, but also ongoing Narconon of Georgia and its branches continued operations outside the scope of state issued licenses?

 Those questions have in fact been repeatedly asked of the Georgia Department of Community Health.

 Brian Looby, Division chief Healthcare Regulations has been written to directly,yet does not appear to have the professional courtesy in replying to or communicating with a state of Georgia tax payer as to concerns over Narconon of Georgia!
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/BrianLoobyDivisionchief-1.jpg)

Richard C Green General Counsel has been written to directly,Yet does not appear to have the professional courtesy in replying to or communicating with a state of Georgia tax payer as to concerns over Narconon of Georgia!
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/RichardCGreeneGC.jpg)

  Inspector General Toni Prine is fully aware of this situation, yet also appears unable to address a state of Georgia tax payers concerns over this whole matter.
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/ToniPrineintermIG.jpg)

 This posters ongoing personal experience with the above mentioned state agency points towards an agency currently unable to meet the needs of we the citizens of Georgia and those out of state individuals whom may use the services of DCH licensed facilities. There is plenty of culpability to go around here within this wrongful death lawsuit.

 Some of that culpability does in fact lay at the doorsteps of the Georgia Department of Community Health and its Healthcare Facilities regulations department!

 

 
 

 

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on September 03, 2012, 00:14
I got a bug to search for NN inpatient to see how well they have scrubbed the net. I ignored the previous dual diagnosis and inpatient adds discussed previously.

Freedom Magazine lists NN Georgia as in-patient (2003 from the contents).
http://www.freedommag.org/english/cw/iss16/page12.htm

The header of this page is NN Int and it describes NN Georgia as inpatient.
http://www.narconon.org/drug-rehab/georgia/macon.html
"The last phase of Narconon inpatient services is important when someone is striving toward sobriety. The recovering addict must learn life skills that enable him or her to make the right decisions in a new drug-free life. When he returns home after rehab, he will face similar stresses and challenges to those he faced before entering the treatment program. He needs knowledge and tools to be able to cope with these stresses."
THere is also a statement that suboxone, etc do not work so they are never used at NN. Yeah, right.

At the StopAddiction site: http://stopaddiction.com/index.php/Metro/Atlanta-Drug-Rehab/Inpatient-Rehab-Atlanta.html
"If you or someone you love is struggling with substance abuse and are searching for inpatient drug rehab in Atlanta Georgia, call Narconon Arrowhead today. Narconon Arrowhead is one of the world's largest and most effective inpatient drug rehabilitation and education programs with a success rate of over 70% of those who graduate. Narconon Arrowhead offers free addiction counseling, free assessments, and referrals to the residents in Atlanta Georgia. To locate an Atlanta inpatient drug rehab or find out information about drug abuse contact Narconon Arrowhead by calling 1-800-468-6933 or via email at info@stopaddiction.com."
I think there is lots of stuff connecting this site to NN. Also on the blog page with the big NN logo, http://www.stopaddiction.com/blog/ it is filed under "NN blog" further down after several entries.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 03, 2012, 00:43
Very nice, who me?.  Let's hope the Plaintiffs' attorneys are watching this thread as closely as the Defendents' attorneys are.   L-O-:

If there's anything the depositions show us, it's that NN will say anything to get people in the door, err...  bodies in the shop.

I got a bug to search for NN inpatient to see how well they have scrubbed the net. I ignored the previous dual diagnosis and inpatient adds discussed previously.

Freedom Magazine lists NN Georgia as in-patient (2003 from the contents).
http://www.freedommag.org/english/cw/iss16/page12.htm

The header of this page is NN Int and it describes NN Georgia as inpatient.
http://www.narconon.org/drug-rehab/georgia/macon.html
"The last phase of Narconon inpatient services is important when someone is striving toward sobriety. The recovering addict must learn life skills that enable him or her to make the right decisions in a new drug-free life. When he returns home after rehab, he will face similar stresses and challenges to those he faced before entering the treatment program. He needs knowledge and tools to be able to cope with these stresses."
THere is also a statement that suboxone, etc do not work so they are never used at NN. Yeah, right.

At the StopAddiction site: http://stopaddiction.com/index.php/Metro/Atlanta-Drug-Rehab/Inpatient-Rehab-Atlanta.html
"If you or someone you love is struggling with substance abuse and are searching for inpatient drug rehab in Atlanta Georgia, call Narconon Arrowhead today. Narconon Arrowhead is one of the world's largest and most effective inpatient drug rehabilitation and education programs with a success rate of over 70% of those who graduate. Narconon Arrowhead offers free addiction counseling, free assessments, and referrals to the residents in Atlanta Georgia. To locate an Atlanta inpatient drug rehab or find out information about drug abuse contact Narconon Arrowhead by calling 1-800-468-6933 or via email at info@stopaddiction.com."
I think there is lots of stuff connecting this site to NN. Also on the blog page with the big NN logo, http://www.stopaddiction.com/blog/ it is filed under "NN blog" further down after several entries.

Yes, there certainly is, it's none other than Derry Hallmark of Narconon Arrowhead, the person who found Jean Lafitte dead from a gunshot wound to the head (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,402.msg25609.html#msg25609), with Narconon as the registrant and Earthlink as the technical contact (non-information snipped for brevity):

$ whois stopaddiction.com

Whois Server Version 2.0

   Domain Name: STOPADDICTION.COM
   Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
   Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
   Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/
   Name Server: NS1.ADDICTION2.COM
   Name Server: NS2.ADDICTION2.COM
   Status: clientTransferProhibited
   Updated Date: 25-aug-2009
   Creation Date: 13-dec-1999
   Expiration Date: 13-dec-2015

>>> Last update of whois database: Mon, 03 Sep 2012 05:01:45 UTC <<<

Registrant:
Narconon
   1000 W. Judo Rd.
   Newkirk, OK 74647
   US

   Domain Name: STOPADDICTION.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Hallmark, Derry           info@stopaddiction.com
      Narconon of Oklahoma
      HC 67 Box 5
      Canadian, OK 74425
      US
      918-339-5800 fax: 999 999 9999

   Technical Contact:
                admin@hdec.net
      EarthLink Network, Inc.
      1375 Peachtree Street
      Atlanta, GA 30309
      US
      404-815-0700 fax: - - 626-296-5113


   Record expires on 13-Dec-2015.
   Record created on 13-Dec-1999.
   Database last updated on 3-Sep-2012 00:33:45 EDT.

   Domain servers in listed order:

   NS1.ADDICTION2.COM
   NS2.ADDICTION2.COM

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 03, 2012, 01:16
Bringing over another nice comment from WWP by anonysamvines (https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-georgia-patrick-desmond-civil-rico-unsealed-deposition.104809/page-2#post-2177758) (I wish the comments were being made here, so the attorneys might see them if they're watching - hint, hint, anonysamvines):

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So Maria and Mary both said Don at times did not work for Narconon yet Don says he worked continuously for Narc hmm. Discovery Path wasn't narc but Mary didn't like the guy running Discovery Path and just asked Don if he wanted to hmmm. Ooh Don is the only one i have seen, so far, to claim that there was another company (formed by Johnno an ex "student") who got sent any students let alone about half Oops Oh and nawty Don - you are supposed to list all assets in bankruptcy aren't you? wonder if you would get in trouble for that, especially when sworn under oath.
Wouldn't you expect Don and Maria to know who is paying for their attorney? other than not me but not sure. Especially since Maria thought maybe Don or?. Wouldn't their attorneys want to know who to bill before working the case? oops
First one to claim they had a Dr. come in monthly to train them, that they had regular visitors from narconon int. He keeps trying to say they do what should be good standard business practise (contradicting other depo) - then goes oh no never had any convos with anyone about doing an investigation into circumstances around P's death, nothing to do with me i only worked narc that was housing.

and to cap it all when it appears his deposition is done he tells them they can ask any more questions they like as he is paid by the hour. Darling Jeff picks him up on it " you said you were paid by the hour so you'd sit here awhile, it seems to me you'd be losing money sitting here" (ie your current employer Terminix isn't going to pay). oh was a joke i am losing money. Sure Don sure..Hope ya getting the same rate as the wog psychiatrist - i like Co$ to pay lots of money for crap.

Jeff Harris you make me very wet watching you work!

be very interesting to know who initially instructed Don and Maria's attorney, who paid for them and who provided the $ to settle their case.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on September 03, 2012, 20:29
If Tony Ortega at the Village Voice wants to know about Narconon of Georgia's licensing, perhaps he should first ask why did the State settle the administrative appeal in January 2007.  The Georgia DHR, Office of Regulatory Services, Health Care Section, had denied their renewal application, which effectively put them out of business.  There was no reason to settle and the ORS people didn't just suddenly have a change of heart.  But something happened.  In her deposition, Nina Edidin wasn't asked what it was.  Perhaps if some bold journalist were to look into that strange matter a bit further, it might shed some light on why they are still operating today.

Just saying.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 04, 2012, 07:02
If Tony Ortega at the Village Voice wants to know about Narconon of Georgia's licensing, perhaps he should first ask why did the State settle the administrative appeal in January 2007.  The Georgia DHR, Office of Regulatory Services, Health Care Section, had denied their renewal application, which effectively put them out of business.  There was no reason to settle and the ORS people didn't just suddenly have a change of heart.  But something happened.  In her deposition, Nina Edidin wasn't asked what it was.  Perhaps if some bold journalist were to look into that strange matter a bit further, it might shed some light on why they are still operating today.

Just saying.

Welcome to the Tipping Point, Witnessman.  Some of us have been very curious about that also.  Have you seen the thread about DCH (the new version of DHR) and records requests, here: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10057.0.html

This post from that thread shows something similar may have happened in early June, this year:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10057.msg23612.html#msg23612

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on September 06, 2012, 00:14
Just another connection between scn, ABLE and NN: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/world/asia/agent-orange-victims-in-vietnam-get-scientology-treatment.html?_r=0

"Karin Pouw, a spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology, did not specifically address the use of Mr. Hubbard’s program for dioxin, but said it “has had many applications” and had been used “for more than three decades to handle environmental toxins, exposure to pesticides and drug rehabilitation.”"

It does not hurt to have these articles accessible to counter the lies.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 06, 2012, 08:14
Thank you and belated :w:e:l:c:o:m:e: to who me? and witnessman!  It's wonderful to have your input and interests in these things. Thanks for helping expose Narconon!! L-O-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 06, 2012, 09:43
Just another connection between scn, ABLE and NN: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/world/asia/agent-orange-victims-in-vietnam-get-scientology-treatment.html?_r=0

"Karin Pouw, a spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology, did not specifically address the use of Mr. Hubbard’s program for dioxin, but said it “has had many applications” and had been used “for more than three decades to handle environmental toxins, exposure to pesticides and drug rehabilitation.”"

It does not hurt to have these articles accessible to counter the lies.

Good tip.

Dr. An would do well to listen to the experts quoted in the article.

Quote
“I would not expect that it would lower the body burden of dioxin in a given person,” said Dr. Marcella L. Warner, a research epidemiologist at the University of California, Berkeley, who studies the long-term health effects of dioxin exposure. While unfamiliar with the specifics of the detoxification program in Vietnam, she said that a treatment focused on exercise and sweating would not be an effective way to rid the body of the toxin.

Christopher Hodges, a spokesman for the American Embassy in Hanoi, said the United States government was also skeptical of the detoxification program. “We are not aware of any safe, effective detoxification treatment for people with dioxin in body tissues,” he said. “The best way to reduce health risks associated with dioxin is to prevent human exposure to dioxin.”
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on September 06, 2012, 14:25
Thank you and belated :w:e:l:c:o:m:e: to who me? and witnessman!  It's wonderful to have your input and interests in these things. Thanks for helping expose Narconon!! L-O-:

Thanks Mary,
I have watched NN for years and salute your efforts and those of the contributors on this board.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 06, 2012, 19:31
From the article:
Quote
The United States government has not provided any financing for the program in Vietnam, he said.

Thank God for small favors!

Quote
The Vietnamese government has cooperated with the Association for Better Living and Education since 2005, when the association provided financial help “to build steam baths and buy the vitamins and minerals,” according to the Vietnamese state news media.

Dr. Vuong said Tuesday that the association had helped “transfer technology on detox and purification.”

“They are not preaching religion,” he said.

At least not religion as you know it, Dr. Vuong.   |>-)>

http://tuoitrenews.vn/cmlink/tuoitrenews/society/da-nang-locals-infected-with-dioxin-to-be-detoxicated-1.84387

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By using the Hubbard method, the victims will be detoxified through the physical process of perspiration, digestion and urinary excretion, An said.

According to the treatment plan, victims will be prescribed high content vitamins in the early morning and told to exercise strenuously for half an hour to excrete sweat; the more sweat the better.

Later, they will be taken to a sauna to perspire profusely, and the toxic chemicals will leave the body.

The 24 people selected to try this method first are those who have the highest dioxin content in their blood.

Results from this first set will be recorded so that lessons can be learned and applied later to mass treatment.

“This Hubbard method has been applied in many countries for detoxication and treatment of several diseases. But Vietnam is the first nation in the world to apply it to dioxin,” An confirmed.

I wonder how long before we have to start a Dioxin Detox Deaths list?   :(
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on September 08, 2012, 02:03
So, I noticed the NN Georgia NPI registration info: http://www.hipaaspace.com/Medical_Billing/Coding/National_Provider_Identifier/Codes/NPI_1972760130.aspx (http://www.hipaaspace.com/Medical_Billing/Coding/National_Provider_Identifier/Codes/NPI_1972760130.aspx)
Their scope of practice is for rehab and emergency services. WTF? ???  The license in this section is their Georgia license 050724.

Just for reference, the codes are at: http://www.wpc-edi.com/reference/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on September 08, 2012, 10:09
Something else is also a bit off. Under the 'Reference Data' item #3, "Is the organization a subpart?" is answered 'N', and they have the Legal name as 'Narconon of Georgia' even though they are a subgroup of Narconon International.

Although they do show GEN 2595, they also use 'Narconon of Georgia, Inc' as the "Name of organization", rather than the "Doing business as" on their 2010 990 at: http://207.153.189.83/EINS/421534941/421534941_2010_07d67c1f.PDF

In spite of the fact the IRS EOA database shows NNGA with a legal name of 'Narconon International' DBA 'Narconon of Georgia': 421534941 NARCONON INT 5688 PEACHTREE PKWY NORCROSS GA 30092-2848 2595 03 9 NARCONON OF GEORGIA. '2595' is the Group Exemption number for Narconon Int and it's subordinate organizations. The '9' in front of "Narconon of Georgia" means this organization is subordinate to Narconon International.

And who the H@#*& at NN GA is trained to do Emergency Medicine??
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 08, 2012, 10:26
So, I noticed the NN Georgia NPI registration info: http://www.hipaaspace.com/Medical_Billing/Coding/National_Provider_Identifier/Codes/NPI_1972760130.aspx (http://www.hipaaspace.com/Medical_Billing/Coding/National_Provider_Identifier/Codes/NPI_1972760130.aspx)
Their scope of practice is for rehab and emergency services. WTF? ???  The license in this section is their Georgia license 050724.

Just for reference, the codes are at: http://www.wpc-edi.com/reference/

That is very odd. Casey Locarnini, who was last listed as a medical director, has a specialty in Emergency Medicine. This wouldn't qualify Narconon of Georgia as an emergency services provider by any stretch of the imagination.

I imagine he's functioning much like Lisa Robbins did in conducting an initial medical evaluation on potential Narconon clients, or on follow-up for illness after admission. He runs an urgent care center in Dunwoody.

http://www.hipaaspace.com/Medical_Billing/Coding/National_Provider_Identifier/Codes/NPI_1154321594.aspx
http://dunwoodyurgentcare.com/ourstaff.shtml
http://dunwoodyurgentcare.com/abouttheclinic.shtml

Dr. Locarnini is also mentioned on page 47 of this document:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2011-05-25-BriefInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionsForSanctions.pdf
Title: German blog on Patrick Desmond
Post by: snippy on September 09, 2012, 23:11
August 28, 2012
German blog has long article on Patrick Desmond with link back to Tipping Point.

Quote
Blog gegen Scientology

Quote
Patrick Desmond starb 2008 an einer Überdosis Heroin im “Rahmen” des NARCONON-Programmes …

Google translate: Patrick Desmond died in 2008 of a heroin overdose in the "context" of the Narconon program ...

http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/2012/08/patrick-desmond-starb-an-einer-uberdosis-wahrend-er-das-narconon-programm-absolvierte/ (http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/2012/08/patrick-desmond-starb-an-einer-uberdosis-wahrend-er-das-narconon-programm-absolvierte/)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 10, 2012, 07:21
Narconon wants to keep the records sealed in the Heather Landmeier case in Oklahoma too: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11449.0.html
There are a couple of court documents related to that, linked in that thread.

More about Heather here: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11246.msg24871.html#msg24871
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on September 10, 2012, 16:09
A few new items:

Description                     Filing Date    
                                 
Text    
                                 
Assoc. Party?


RULE 5.2 CERTIF.     07-SEP-2012    
                                 
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S RESPONSE TO COURT ORDER DATED AUGUST 21,2012 TO PLTF
                                 
BARBARA A MARSCHALK

SUPPLEMENT            07-SEP-2012    
                               
FILLING IN SUPPORT OF PLTFS MOTION FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA
                               
JEFFREY R HARRIS

RULE 5.2 CERTIF.     06-SEP-2012    
                               
PLTFS SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S FIRST INTERR TO PLTFS
                               
JEFFREY R HARRIS

RESPONSE                    05-SEP-2012    
                               
DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S RESPONSE TO COURT ORDER ENTERED AUGUST 23,2012
                               
CHERYL H SHAW

RULE 5.2 CERTIF.         31-AUG-2012    
                                 
PLTFS RESPONSES TO DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S FIRST INTERR TO PLTF AND PLTFS RESPONSES TO DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S FIRST REQT FOR PROD OF DOCS TOPLTFS ( AMENDED COMPLAINT DISCOVERY )
                                 
CHERYL H SHAW

Title: Re: German blog on Patrick Desmond
Post by: mefree on September 10, 2012, 16:27
August 28, 2012
German blog has long article on Patrick Desmond with link back to Tipping Point.

Quote
Blog gegen Scientology

Quote
Patrick Desmond starb 2008 an einer Überdosis Heroin im “Rahmen” des NARCONON-Programmes …

Google translate: Patrick Desmond died in 2008 of a heroin overdose in the "context" of the Narconon program ...

http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/2012/08/patrick-desmond-starb-an-einer-uberdosis-wahrend-er-das-narconon-programm-absolvierte/ (http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/2012/08/patrick-desmond-starb-an-einer-uberdosis-wahrend-er-das-narconon-programm-absolvierte/)

Nice.
Title: Re: German blog on Patrick Desmond
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 10, 2012, 22:11
August 28, 2012
German blog has long article on Patrick Desmond with link back to Tipping Point.

Quote
Blog gegen Scientology

Quote
Patrick Desmond starb 2008 an einer Überdosis Heroin im “Rahmen” des NARCONON-Programmes …

Google translate: Patrick Desmond died in 2008 of a heroin overdose in the "context" of the Narconon program ...

http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/2012/08/patrick-desmond-starb-an-einer-uberdosis-wahrend-er-das-narconon-programm-absolvierte/ (http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/2012/08/patrick-desmond-starb-an-einer-uberdosis-wahrend-er-das-narconon-programm-absolvierte/)

Nice.

Good to see this! Wilfried Handl is an important critic of Scientology and the front groups in Germany. He was a scientologist for 28 years, beginning at age 20.
http://www.ilsehruby.at/InterviewWilfriedHandlE.html

He's been interviewed by the media extensively in Germany. Here is a recent one in subtitles
[english subbed] Wilfried Handl im Interview über sich, Scientology und Anonymous
http://youtu.be/K94lVy5imrE

Thank you Wilfried.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on September 11, 2012, 01:07
Here is Mary Reiser accepting "first place outpatient clinic" at Narconon convention
March 2009 at 2:50 minutes on the youTube link below. (Up until her award is given, there are E.D. awards, Gary Smith, etc but the only audio is trumpet fanfare music.)

At 2:50 Mary says

Quote
I just want to tell everyone how much I appreciate being here.  I feel very helpful to hear some of these stories, um,  I am proud to be part of this group. Um, I'm not so proud to still be part of "outpatient" - I hope next year I'll be competing in another group like the the other ones, but, um thank you all very very much for all the hard work that everyone is doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEPGayFZ4fk&list=UUkfHzFPeFCXkJijF0pKC6NA&index=27&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEPGayFZ4fk&list=UUkfHzFPeFCXkJijF0pKC6NA&index=27&feature=plcp)

 ???  ***:|
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 11, 2012, 09:39
Here is Mary Reiser accepting "first place outpatient clinic" at Narconon convention
March 2009 at 2:50 minutes on the youTube link below. (Up until her award is given, there are E.D. awards, Gary Smith, etc but the only audio is trumpet fanfare music.)

At 2:50 Mary says

Quote
I just want to tell everyone how much I appreciate being here.  I feel very helpful to hear some of these stories, um,  I am proud to be part of this group. Um, I'm not so proud to still be part of "outpatient" - I hope next year I'll be competing in another group like the the other ones, but, um thank you all very very much for all the hard work that everyone is doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEPGayFZ4fk&list=UUkfHzFPeFCXkJijF0pKC6NA&index=27&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEPGayFZ4fk&list=UUkfHzFPeFCXkJijF0pKC6NA&index=27&feature=plcp)

 ???  ***:|

haha!!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 12, 2012, 18:17
Quote
PLTFS SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S FIRST INTERR TO PLTFS

Emergency! Emergency!

Defendant Narconon International has filed an emergency motion to have EXHIBIT "B" to plaintiff's supplemental filing withdrawn and filed under seal. 

Plaintiffs have filed a response.  ooo:/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on September 12, 2012, 18:31
Wait - what does that mean?  Are we supposed to do something?   M.-)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 12, 2012, 18:39
Quote
PLTFS SUPPLEMENTAL RESPONSE TO DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S FIRST INTERR TO PLTFS

Emergency! Emergency!

Defendant Narconon International has filed an emergency motion to have EXHIBIT "B" to plaintiff's supplemental filing withdrawn and filed under seal. 

Plaintiffs have filed a response.  ooo:/

A bit late for that, lol
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 12, 2012, 19:36
Wait - what does that mean?  Are we supposed to do something?   M.-)

 :FYI:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on September 12, 2012, 20:19
 \|/O:r

(That would be the "yes I'm dense and goofy"  icon in case you weren't sure.)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 12, 2012, 20:27
\|/O:r

(That would be the "yes I'm dense and goofy"  icon in case you weren't sure.)

You're just showing off again. ;)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 13, 2012, 16:24
Here is Mary Reiser accepting "first place outpatient clinic" at Narconon convention
March 2009 at 2:50 minutes on the youTube link below. (Up until her award is given, there are E.D. awards, Gary Smith, etc but the only audio is trumpet fanfare music.)

At 2:50 Mary says

Quote
I just want to tell everyone how much I appreciate being here.  I feel very helpful to hear some of these stories, um,  I am proud to be part of this group. Um, I'm not so proud to still be part of "outpatient" - I hope next year I'll be competing in another group like the the other ones, but, um thank you all very very much for all the hard work that everyone is doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEPGayFZ4fk&list=UUkfHzFPeFCXkJijF0pKC6NA&index=27&feature=plcp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEPGayFZ4fk&list=UUkfHzFPeFCXkJijF0pKC6NA&index=27&feature=plcp)

 ???  ***:|

All those videos, 223 of them from Narconon PSA (aka NN of Ga), between June 2008 and September 2009, and then it just stops (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,984.0.html).  I wonder why... 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 13, 2012, 16:53
A bit late for that, lol

I think this is a new Exhibit B that we don't have, Mary . 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on September 13, 2012, 17:13
Ignore
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on September 13, 2012, 17:17
Quote
All those videos, 223 of them from Narconon PSA (aka NN of Ga), between June 2008 and September 2009, and then it just stops.  I wonder why... 

Where's BillyBob? The comment sections are open. Unless it's better to let sleeping dogs lie.


Vids begin six days before Patricks death. They run from Jun 5, 2008 to Sep 23, 2009.
The first one is Mary Reiser sending an "I love You" video response to Narconon Arrowhead.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBmwZ6MtjVM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBmwZ6MtjVM)


Patrick W. Desmond
28 Feb 1980 - 11 Jun 2008
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 13, 2012, 17:56
Never mind....
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 13, 2012, 18:15
I realize I'm as guilty as anyone else of going off topic in this thread, but let's try to put the non-Patrick-related speculation and digging in another thread, in case any of the Desmond family or legal team is watching this one, ok? 

It doesn't cost any extra to start a new Narconon of Georgia thread.    :OV--*
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 15, 2012, 10:30
Pg's 13-18 of Mary Reisers first deposition.  She is lying.  She didnt come to Chilocco to do on-site training.  She audited staff. No one ever sent her students to work with.  EVER.  She was there soley to audit staff.  She audited like 10-15 staff there.

The "seminars" Kent gave to get the certifications were him telling the staff the answers to the test and then administering the test knowing the staff had answer keys.  All for the "greater good".  Kent was later selling CADC certs to Narconon's with no testing done or hours.  PITA group he calls it.  What a joke.

NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 15, 2012, 10:51
Quote
The "seminars" Kent gave to get the certifications were him telling the staff the answers to the test and then administering the test knowing the staff had answer keys.  I saw him do this.  Only two or three staff had the necessary, verifiable hours on the different aspects of their required hours.  I was one of them.  The cert meant nothing to me after I saw how the cheating was done and I brought it to my seniors attention and nothing happened as a result.  All for the "greater good".  Kent was later selling CADC certs to Narconon's with no testing done or hours.  PITA group he calls it.  What a joke.

This backs up some research done on certifications. The belief was that Narconon runs a diploma mill, of sorts, through PITA.

 :-thanks-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 15, 2012, 11:14
He was a representative for the NAFC and NBAE at the time and that was who certified NN staff. 

He started the Pita group some time after.  Forgot he certified staff as "Diplomate-Board of Addiction Examiers" as well.  He just charged a fee to the center and sent them in the mail. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 16, 2012, 09:36
Pg's 13-18 of Mary Reisers first deposition.  She is lying.  She didnt come to Chilocco to do on-site training.  She audited staff.  She never worked with students as I was a (post left out on purpose) there during that time as well as a (Post left out on purpose).  No one ever sent her students to work with.  EVER.  She was there soley to audit staff.  She audited like 10-15 staff there, me included.

The "seminars" Kent gave to get the certifications were him telling the staff the answers to the test and then administering the test knowing the staff had answer keys.  I saw him do this.  Only two or three staff had the necessary, verifiable hours on the different aspects of their required hours.  I was one of them.  The cert meant nothing to me after I saw how the cheating was done and I brought it to my seniors attention and nothing happened as a result.  All for the "greater good".  Kent was later selling CADC certs to Narconon's with no testing done or hours.  PITA group he calls it.  What a joke.

NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired at many different centers that I worked at. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....


 First hand staff eyewitness accounts are rare and greatly appreciated by we the general public.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Keep On Keeping ON on September 17, 2012, 21:27
I have been following this case for some time as a guest.  First, my sympathys to the family. Such a tragedy to lose a son so young. I also have dealt with that in my own family, having to make the decision to take a family member off life support. I was disgusted to find out that the scientology organization was involved in this.  But, I honestly, have tried to review this case as if I were a juror. (since the family had requested a jury, based on evidence)  I havent read all the testimonies, line for line, but have read most. I still have many questions for both sides, but will refrain from making any statements.(there is such animosity on this thread, that I fear anything I said would be ripped to shreds) I wish the family and this community good luck and God speed. I hope you win. Dont let hatred blind you to the obvious. If you want my thoughts, you know where to reach me. Holding my breath now.........
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 17, 2012, 21:43
I have been following this case for some time as a guest.  First, my sympathys to the family. Such a tragedy to lose a son so young. I also have dealt with that in my own family, having to make the decision to take a family member off life support. I was disgusted to find out that the scientology organization was involved in this.  But, I honestly, have tried to review this case as if I were a juror. (since the family had requested a jury, based on evidence)  I havent read all the testimonies, line for line, but have read most. I still have many questions for both sides, but will refrain from making any statements.(there is such animosity on this thread, that I fear anything I said would be ripped to shreds) I wish the family and this community good luck and God speed. I hope you win. Dont let hatred blind you to the obvious. If you want my thoughts, you know where to reach me. Holding my breath now.........

Would love to hear your thoughts on the case. Welcome to Tipping Point.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 18, 2012, 07:14
NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired at many different centers that I worked at. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....

Claudia Arcabascio's deposition makes that plain.  It's frustrating to read because she (pretends she) doesn't understand English (or Scientologese) very well, but she is led into discussing Narconon Int's involvement with the housing situation.  The deposition even goes into how Narconon International wanted Narconon of Georgia to "get rid of Maria Delgado" and that Mary Rieser couldn't afford to start up a new housing setup because it would involve a new corporate registration, etc., and that perhaps she could afford to buy furniture, but didn't have the money to start a new housing.  There's something in there, too, that I need to reread, about her not wanting to pay Maria (?) for a company she started...  If that's not proof that NNGa and NNInt were deeply involved in running the housing, I don't know what is.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

I'd love to have your input on this depo, BMF. 

By the way, "Keep On Keeping ON", welcome to TP.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 18, 2012, 08:18
ill post more when I get some more time:)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 21, 2012, 00:05
NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired at many different centers that I worked at. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....

Claudia Arcabascio's deposition makes that plain.  It's frustrating to read because she (pretends she) doesn't understand English (or Scientologese) very well, but she is led into discussing Narconon Int's involvement with the housing situation.  The deposition even goes into how Narconon International wanted Narconon of Georgia to "get rid of Maria Delgado" and that Mary Rieser couldn't afford to start up a new housing setup because it would involve a new corporate registration, etc., and that perhaps she could afford to buy furniture, but didn't have the money to start a new housing.  There's something in there, too, that I need to reread, about her not wanting to pay Maria (?) for a company she started...  If that's not proof that NNGa and NNInt were deeply involved in running the housing, I don't know what is.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

I'd love to have your input on this depo, BMF. 

By the way, "Keep On Keeping ON", welcome to TP.

I posted on ESMB asking if anyone knew Claudia, along with info I found on her, and got a couple of replies :)
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28656-Anyone-know-Claudia-Arcabascio-%28-aka-Tagliaferro-%29-SHSBC-ASHO
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 21, 2012, 14:09
Just had a chance to review Yarko's deposition again.  Couple points here the attorney may want to take into account to establish negligence on NN Int's part.

Pg 55 or so he said he asked Jette McGregor to go and inspect as he was too busy.  Is he aware that Jette has never actually worked as a Withdrawal Specialist, Sauna I/C, Course Supervisor, Ethics Officer, Case Supervisor or Cramming Officer in a NN? She's never even done the courses!!!!!

How is she qualified to inspect when she never actually worked in a center in those jobs she is inspecting?  Yarko hasnt either for that matter.

On page 57 line 8 of her testimony he asks if the inspections look into the qualifications of the people who work with the students.  She says the tech inspections dont do that.  This is a lie.  "What is a Course checklist" specifically asks for the inspector to see if the person is a trained course supervisor.

More on Yarko...

Pg 22 of his testimony.  There is a requirement for ED reports.

Pg 23  He has come to a center because he did review the stats of individual centers.  Have proof he is lying.

Pg 28 he says the reports are sent during the week.  They are sent at 2pm on Thursday or the world stops.  int termnials frequently send them back with questions or corrections so they do look at and use them.

Pg 29 Lie

Pg 77, 79 and 85 he is being asked about what "applying Emergency" is and if there are any guidelines in writing a "knowledge report".  He said he did not know what applying emergency meant or if there were guidelines.  In the NN Basic Staff Hat and Vol 0 (which is the churches version of BSH, which he has done I believe) these are taught.  You take a test and attest to having known, understood and able to apply the references.  If he doesnt really know then he just set himself up for a false attest at NN or the Church.  But he does know.  Its just another lie.







ill post more when I get some more time:)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 21, 2012, 17:27
Terrific stuff, BMF! Your insight and knowledge are invaluable.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: loriisbored on September 22, 2012, 08:17
i havent taken the time to read through all the posts and court documents, but feel i need to comment.

i was a "student" at narcanon of georgia earlier this year. the housing is now called "discovery course" and at a different apartment complex. i knew mary was full of it the first time i met her. she was so proud to show all new students the picture of gordi and john travolta, and gordi and sarah palin. after i first went there i called home to my parents complaining about how this was a scientology center. i begged them to take me somewhere...anywhere else. they refused. the next day i had my "orientation interview." i was asked if i was an undercover agent there to expose narcanon. i found out later the phones were tapped and i was the only person asked those questions.

mary is a liar and it is obvious through her deposistion. she skirts around every question. it is the norm there to only speak of scientology through hushed whispers.

if anyone has any questions about how the facility is run now, i will gladly answer.

i absolutly hate that patrick desmond died, and a student i was there with recently died as well. he was staff when he died in august, under very strange circumstances. he was the sweetest nicest human being i probably have ever met. i would like to know if narcanon had any involvement whatsoever.


Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 22, 2012, 08:51
Hi loriisbored, welcome to Tipping Point!

i havent taken the time to read through all the posts and court documents, but feel i need to comment.

i was a "student" at narcanon of georgia earlier this year. the housing is now called "discovery course" and at a different apartment complex.

We have some posts around here somewhere about Discovery Course, but thanks for confirming it from a first hand point of view.

Quote
i knew mary was full of it the first time i met her. she was so proud to show all new students the picture of gordi and john travolta, and gordi and sarah palin.

It's interesting that Mary is riding on Gordy's "laurels".   ::) 

Quote
after i first went there i called home to my parents complaining about how this was a scientology center. i begged them to take me somewhere...anywhere else. they refused.

Narconon is very good at convincing parents that "it's the addict talking", that what the clients tell their loved ones is all a bunch of lies they tell to try to get out of rehab.  I'm sorry your parents didn't remove you. 

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the next day i had my "orientation interview." i was asked if i was an undercover agent there to expose narcanon. i found out later the phones were tapped and i was the only person asked those questions.

I know it's not funny to you, and I mean no disrespect to you, but LOL; I guess they have plenty to be worried about in that regard.  There needs to be an undercover investigation of Narconon of Georgia, if there isn't already one going on.

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mary is a liar and it is obvious through her deposistion. she skirts around every question. it is the norm there to only speak of scientology through hushed whispers.

if anyone has any questions about how the facility is run now, i will gladly answer.

i absolutly hate that patrick desmond died, and a student i was there with recently died as well. he was staff when he died in august, under very strange circumstances. he was the sweetest nicest human being i probably have ever met. i would like to know if narcanon had any involvement whatsoever.

OMG, another death at Narconon of Georgia!?  I am sooo sorry to hear that.  Will you tell us his name and what the strange circumstances were?  I'm sorry you experienced this loss, but thank you for telling us about it.

In my opinion, Narconon bears some responsibility, whether they were directly involved or not, just by their teachings - that a person can have control over drugs/alcohol, that the person only needs to avoid their drug of choice, and that all that is needed to deal with substance abuse is warmed over scientology.   This needs to stop; Narconon of Georgia needs to be shut down NOW.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on September 22, 2012, 11:45
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i found out later the phones were tapped and i was the only person asked those questions.

Georgia is a 'one party consent' state for monitoring and recording calls. Which means one of the parties on the call has to consent to this monitoring, it has nothing to do with who owns the phones. If the other party is in a two party consent state, then both have to consent to the monitoring, even if one is in Georgia. If NN Ga is monitoring and recording calls without either parties consent they are violating both Georgia and Federal law.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 22, 2012, 12:53
Sounds like 2nd or third hand info.  There is typically a lot of speculation if they are amongst students as staff often find out things from conversations had on phones. They may be near a phone physically and overhear what you are saying or a family member or friend that you are griping to calls in and repeats what you are saying.  These things are then reported to the Case Supervisor who sends you to the Ethics Officer or Dir of Rehab or Dir of Life Skills Services who then interviews or confronts you on the report.  Students put two and two together and come up with "the phones are tapped".  Ive seen it hundreds of times and never once was there a phone tap involved.  Its too much money and takes up too much time.  Logistically its not possible to pay someone to do this.  You would need teams of people who their sole reponsibility would be to do this. 

Also, the question they asked about being a reporter or gathering info for news agencies and such are standard questions asked to every student. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on September 22, 2012, 12:59
...
i was a "student" at narcanon of georgia earlier this year. the housing is now called "discovery course" and at a different apartment complex. i knew mary was full of it the first time i met her. she was so proud to show all new students the picture of gordi and john travolta, and gordi and sarah palin. after i first went there i called home to my parents complaining about how this was a scientology center. i begged them to take me somewhere...anywhere else. they refused. the next day i had my "orientation interview." i was asked if i was an undercover agent there to expose narcanon. i found out later the phones were tapped and i was the only person asked those questions....
Welcome loriisbored, and thanks for your first hand account.
If you could, it would be great if you would go to  http://reachingforthetippingpoint.net/narcononsurvey/ and fill out the survey. As more people speak up, it becomes obvious that there is systemic fraud and abuse at narconon and these are not just isolated incidents.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 22, 2012, 15:58
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i knew mary was full of it the first time i met her. she was so proud to show all new students the picture of gordi and john travolta, and gordi and sarah palin. after i first went there i called home to my parents complaining about how this was a scientology center.

Everyone seems to know that Mary Rieser is lying, except the DCH's division of Healthcare Facility Regulation. Every plan of correction she submits is acceptable in their eyes, no matter how many complaints are received. I am saddened to hear of another death in GA.

Thanks for posting here Loriisbored.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 22, 2012, 17:20
Phones are not tapped in any NN that I have ever been in.  Sounds like 2nd or third hand info.  There is typically a lot of speculation if they are amongst students as staff often find out things from conversations had on phones. They may be near a phone physically and overhear what you are saying or a family member or friend that you are griping to calls in and repeats what you are saying.  These things are then reported to the Case Supervisor who sends you to the Ethics Officer or Dir of Rehab or Dir of Life Skills Services who then interviews or confronts you on the report.  Students put two and two together and come up with "the phones are tapped".  Ive seen it hundreds of times and never once was there a phone tap involved.  Its too much money and takes up too much time.  Logistically its not possible to pay someone to do this.  You would need teams of people who their sole reponsibility would be to do this. 

Also, the question they asked about being a reporter or gathering info for news agencies and such are standard questions asked to every student.  I have seen it at 5 different centers asked to each student enrolling on the program.
From the many reports I have received over the last 5 years, phone tapping is a chronic long time issue encountered by many students and loved ones who attend the Narconon Southern California  / Narconon Fresh Start facilities.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: loriisbored on September 22, 2012, 17:41
Ok, so y'all may be right about the phones not being tapped. But I was asked it I was a reporter. And then later on, in the middle of me talking about my drug use they throw in "are you an undercover agent here to exposes narcanon?" Very suspicious. And I did and still find it funny. Especially now that would love to expose and shut them down.

And honestly I wouldn't be suprised if it was someones job there to listen to all the recorded calls while sending 'public service announcements' to newspapers and radio stations.

And trust me, the laws mean nothing to them. From the time I was there no one to get a single valid tb test, because you had to return to the clinic in 48 hours for the results to be read to you. No one ever returned. I think they manage to get around that because the tb shots are done at walgreens, and everything else was done at locharini's office.

Also the strange circumstances included the fact that he was missing for days, and narcanon seemingly not caring.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 22, 2012, 17:53
I havent spent much time on the west coast so cant speak  of their operstions.  I do know they are probably the ones to be able to finance it though. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 22, 2012, 18:55
Ok, so y'all may be right about the phones not being tapped. But I was asked it I was a reporter. And then later on, in the middle of me talking about my drug use they throw in "are you an undercover agent here to exposes narcanon?" Very suspicious. And I did and still find it funny. Especially now that would love to expose and shut them down.

And honestly I wouldn't be suprised if it was someones job there to listen to all the recorded calls while sending 'public service announcements' to newspapers and radio stations.

And trust me, the laws mean nothing to them. From the time I was there no one to get a single valid tb test, because you had to return to the clinic in 48 hours for the results to be read to you. No one ever returned. I think they manage to get around that because the tb shots are done at walgreens, and everything else was done at locharini's office.

Also the strange circumstances included the fact that he was missing for days, and narcanon seemingly not caring.

Why does this not surprise me?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 23, 2012, 11:38
I think the answer to the phone tapping question might be found in whether they are using cell or land line phones.  Traditional copper wire phones are significantly easier to "tap" (not legally, but physically) than cell phones, especially if you have unfettered access to the wires.

In the depositions, it was mentioned that there were cell phones in the One Sovereign Place apartments for the "students'" use.  These phone numbers from Anywho would lead me to think Discovery is using land lines; perhaps loriisbored can clarify for us:

http://anywhoyp.yellowpages.com/georgia/narconon?q=Narconon

Narconon of Georgia
2007 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (770) 674-4731

Narconon of Georgia
2010 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (770) 557-1243

Narconon of Georgia
2010 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (678) 395-4749

Narconon of Georgia
1510 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (678) 580-5939

Summerchase Drive in Duluth is where the Berkley Landing Apartments are located.

lori?  Were they cell phones or corded phones?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 23, 2012, 11:58
or any of these?

whitepages.com

Darrell Hall
(770) 559-0550
2310 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-4834

10 Results for Darrell Hall in Duluth, GA

Darrell Hall
(770) 558-1033
2005 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-8018

Darrell Hall
(678) 691-7643
2003 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-8018

Darrell J Hall
(678) 691-8004
1710 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-4830

Darrell Hall
(770) 559-0550
2310 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-4834

Darrell Hall
(770) 674-5680
1501 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-8015

Darrell Hall
(678) 691-2459
1401 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-8014

Darrell Hall
(770) 676-7050
2309 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-4834

Darrell Hall
(678) 691-5033
1302 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-4827

Associated:  Thomas R Hill, Elizabeth A Hall, Frances V Hill, Rick Hill


Darrell Hall
(678) 694-1478
1502 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-8015

Darrell Hall
(770) 710-0660
2008 Summerchase Dr
Duluth, GA 30096-4832

--------------

Discovery Course Yellowpages.com

Discovery Course
2007 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096
(770) 674-4731

Discovery Course
2010 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map
(678) 395-4749

Discovery Course
2009 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map
(770) 557-1243

Discovery Course
1510 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map
(678) 580-5939

http://www.yellowpages.com/duluth-ga/discovery

Edit: Mary, I hope you don't mind that took out some line breaks to make it more legible.  --ec
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 23, 2012, 12:28
I had a chance to reread claudias depo.  I must say i wish i would have been in the room when she was being grilled.  Its easy to disprove her lies about not knowing what a blow is.  Shes done the student hat or the nn equivalent.  She has been tested and attested to knowing the materials.  She either false attested, which is a big no no and should be reported to her church or she is lying.  Either way she screwed herself by saying that. 

The thing to establish is that nn int is in the business of running the centers.  She keeps saying that her actions are just to make sure licensing standards are met.  Ok, she takes action from california to help a center to run better or be in compliance with the laws.  It would be easy to convince a jury that that alone is running the centers.  The facts seems to be getting lost in the translation from scientologese to regular business practices.  Fact is she had a program she was running, she does this with many other centers as well.  If thats not being involved in the day to day then i dont know what is.  Companies all over the world have subsidiaries in differnt parts of the world, are we to believe they arr all wholly independent and the parent company is not responsible? Nah.

The lawyers just need to make it easily understandable to the jury or judge as theword plays they use are designed to be confusing and vague.









NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired at many different centers that I worked at. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....

Claudia Arcabascio's deposition makes that plain.  It's frustrating to read because she (pretends she) doesn't understand English (or Scientologese) very well, but she is led into discussing Narconon Int's involvement with the housing situation.  The deposition even goes into how Narconon International wanted Narconon of Georgia to "get rid of Maria Delgado" and that Mary Rieser couldn't afford to start up a new housing setup because it would involve a new corporate registration, etc., and that perhaps she could afford to buy furniture, but didn't have the money to start a new housing.  There's something in there, too, that I need to reread, about her not wanting to pay Maria (?) for a company she started...  If that's not proof that NNGa and NNInt were deeply involved in running the housing, I don't know what is.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

I'd love to have your input on this depo, BMF. 

By the way, "Keep On Keeping ON", welcome to TP.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 23, 2012, 12:32
Who knows how many apartments they have rented now?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 23, 2012, 12:52
I had a chance to reread claudias depo.  I must say i wish i would have been in the room when she was being grilled.  Its easy to disprove her lies about not knowing what a blow is.  Shes done the student hat or the nn equivalent.  She has been tested and attested to knowing the materials.  She either false attested, which is a big no no and should be reported to her church or she is lying.  Either way she screwed herself by saying that. 

The thing to establish is that nn int is in the business of running the centers.  She keeps saying that her actions are just to make sure licensing standards are met.  Ok, she takes action from california to help a center to run better or be in compliance with the laws.  It would be easy to convince a jury that that alone is running the centers.  The facts seems to be getting lost in the translation from scientologese to regular business practices.  Fact is she had a program she was running, she does this with many other centers as well.  If thats not being involved in the day to day then i dont know what is.  Companies all over the world have subsidiaries in differnt parts of the world, are we to believe they arr all wholly independent and the parent company is not responsible? Nah.

The lawyers just need to make it easily understandable to the jury or judge as theword plays they use are designed to be confusing and vague.









NN Int is absolutely in the business of running the centers.  Them saying they are just enforcing the licensing is BS.  They have conducted B of I's, Comm Ev's been involved with who gets hired and fired at many different centers that I worked at. 

I will post more specifics on the lies in the depositions shortly....

Claudia Arcabascio's deposition makes that plain.  It's frustrating to read because she (pretends she) doesn't understand English (or Scientologese) very well, but she is led into discussing Narconon Int's involvement with the housing situation.  The deposition even goes into how Narconon International wanted Narconon of Georgia to "get rid of Maria Delgado" and that Mary Rieser couldn't afford to start up a new housing setup because it would involve a new corporate registration, etc., and that perhaps she could afford to buy furniture, but didn't have the money to start a new housing.  There's something in there, too, that I need to reread, about her not wanting to pay Maria (?) for a company she started...  If that's not proof that NNGa and NNInt were deeply involved in running the housing, I don't know what is.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-07-10-DepositionOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

I'd love to have your input on this depo, BMF. 

By the way, "Keep On Keeping ON", welcome to TP.

Claudia is was on the Briefing Course in 2003. Not sure what level or if she complated it but she was on it when she married here husband  Steve. More info here:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28656-Anyone-know-Claudia-Arcabascio-%28-aka-Tagliaferro-%29-SHSBC-ASHO
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 23, 2012, 13:41
or any of these?
snip...

LOL, how many places can Darrell Hall live at once?  Is this an indication that he has "a split personality"?   3((:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 23, 2012, 13:50
Student Hat is a prerequisite for the BC.  Its quite obvious she is dancing here.  Looks to me like a messed up Roger Rabbit/Running Man/Sprinkler combo.

To quote LRH, "Lying becomes alter-isness, becomes stupidity."  Something like that anywho. 

To get more truth they need Isaac Zrihen's testimony.  Knowing him and how he doesnt like how Int operates I would bet he would actually tell the truth.  Yvonne also.  She's not gonna risk being fined or slapped with perjury and risk going to jail.  She has two younger kids.  These are the people who can establish Ints hand in running the centers.  Along with the West Coast ED and Ops Sup.


"Claudia is was on the Briefing Course in 2003. Not sure what level or if she complated it but she was on it when she married here husband  Steve. More info here:"

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28656-Anyone-know-Claudia-Arcabascio-%28-aka-Tagliaferro-%29-SHSBC-ASHO
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 23, 2012, 14:23
Student Hat is a prerequisite for the BC.  Its quite obvious she is dancing here.  Looks to me like a messed up Roger Rabbit/Running Man/Sprinkler combo.

To quote LRH, "Lying becomes alter-isness, becomes stupidity."  Something like that anywho. 

To get more truth they need Isaac Zrihen's testimony.  Knowing him and how he doesnt like how Int operates I would bet he would actually tell the truth.  Yvonne also.  She's not gonna risk being fined or slapped with perjury and risk going to jail.  She has two younger kids.  These are the people who can establish Ints hand in running the centers.  Along with the West Coast ED and Ops Sup.


"Claudia is was on the Briefing Course in 2003. Not sure what level or if she complated it but she was on it when she married here husband  Steve. More info here:"

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28656-Anyone-know-Claudia-Arcabascio-%28-aka-Tagliaferro-%29-SHSBC-ASHO

Interesting. Where is Isaac Zrihen these days? Is he still working for NN EUS?
Are Yvonne and Isaac contracted staff or Sea Org or both?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on September 23, 2012, 14:48
If they're saying NN Int has nothing to do with operating NN Ga, then apparently they lied to the IRS about the organization of NN Int. From the IRS Exempt Organization listing:

"EIN","LEGAL NAME","ADDRESS","GEN","TYPE","AFFILIATE","DBA"
"952769582","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","4652 HOLLYWD BLVD LOS ANGELES CA 90027-5408","2595","03","6"
"042606410","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","76 WINN ST STE 2C WOBURN MA 01801-2868","2595","03","9","NARCONON BOSTON"
"731690918","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","611 S FT HARISN AVE CLEARWATER FL 33756-5301","2595","03","9","NARCONON EASTERN UNITED STATES"
"593035096","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","22073 US HIGHWAY 19 N CLEARWATER FL 33765-2364","2595","03","9","NARCONON FLORIDA"
"421534941","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","5688 PEACHTREE PKWY NORCROSS GA 30092-2848","2595","03","9","NARCONON OF GEORGIA"
"731589280","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","69 ARROWHEAD LOOP CANADIAN OK 74425-5012","2595","03","9","NARCONON OF OKLAHOMA"
"954536141","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","622 E VILLA ST PASADENA CA 91101-1120","2595","03","9","FRIENDS OF NARCONON"
"954853440","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","13850 GRABER AVE SYLMAR CA 91342-2622","2595","03","9","NARCONON DRUG PREVENTION & EDUCATI"
"330911677","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","225 W BROADWAY STE 420 GLENDALE CA 91204-1331","2595","03","9","NARCONON FRESH START"
"651238009","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","225 W BROADWAY STE 420 GLENDALE CA 91204-1331","2595","03","9","NARCONON WESTERN UNITED STATES"
"770275827","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","262 GAFFEY RD WATSONVILLE CA 95076-9731","2595","03","9","NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA"
"550828683","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","4652 HOLLYWOOD BLVD LOS ANGELES CA 90027-5408","2595","03","9","NARCONON OF WEST HOLLYWOOD"

EIN: Employer Identification Number
 
GEN: Group Exemption Number
2595 if covered by the NN Int Group Exemption Letter

TYPE: Exemption Type
03 for a 501(c)3 exemption

AFFILIATE
6 - Group Controlling Organization
9 - Group Subordiante Organization

All of these Narconons are part of Narconon International per the Group Exemption Letter covered by Group Exemption Number 2595. "Narconon Georgia" is a DBA for Narconon International's Georgia operation. If they're saying something different they're lying through their teeth, either to Georgia or the IRS.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 23, 2012, 16:39
we know they are lying, they know they are lying.  The judge and the jury need to know so they can rule in favor of the Desmonds.  If I were Jeff I would submit to evidence the "Fair Game" Policy and the TR-Lie drills that the GO and intelligence wing is hatted on.  This shit is what will make the jury go "hmmmmmm, they actually teach their parishoners and clergy to lie"
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 25, 2012, 00:21
Ok.  So i just had a chance to review Clark Carrs deposition again.

On pg 130 or so he is asked about the studies to back up the claims on nn's success rate and validity of sauna program.  He mentions one done by FASE and is asked if it was funded by the church or anyone at int.  says no. 

That study was done in part by Marie Ceccini.  She is a scientologist and used to work for nn chilocco aka nn arrowhead.  I believe they paid her. 

I would say her religious affiliation and past work experience might be of interest. that is something that was known by int terminals and should have been disclosed there.

Next is pg 190 of deposition, he is being examined by his attorney and asked if int has anything to do with hiring or firing of nn georgia staff.  Says no...  Ive seen Int be involved with at least 7 cases of people getting hired or fired at several different centers.  From ED's to Withdrawal Speicalists. 

The bit about the ED reports not being required is a crock.  They send those forms to you and if you dont send them in on a weekly basis the world stops for them.  Its complete BS what he's saying.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: loriisbored on September 25, 2012, 01:54
"Narconon of Georgia
1510 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (678) 580-5939"

that was my apartment and phone number. we all had land lines, no cell phones allowed. the unofficial story was that a student there around christmas of last year posted a picture on facebook that said "getting drunk at rehab" and his parents were pissed to high heavens. we also would hear a click everytime we would answer the phone or dial out.

the apartments there really werent that safe, before i left they wanted us to not lock our doors at night because there would be random bed checks. we only found this out after my roommate had a nightmare about it. if you've ever talked to darryll in person, then you would realize that multiple personality comment is not too far off...you can tell his mind is all over the place.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 25, 2012, 14:52
"Narconon of Georgia
1510 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (678) 580-5939"

that was my apartment and phone number. we all had land lines, no cell phones allowed. the unofficial story was that a student there around christmas of last year posted a picture on facebook that said "getting drunk at rehab" and his parents were pissed to high heavens. we also would hear a click everytime we would answer the phone or dial out.

the apartments there really werent that safe, before i left they wanted us to not lock our doors at night because there would be random bed checks. we only found this out after my roommate had a nightmare about it. if you've ever talked to darryll in person, then you would realize that multiple personality comment is not too far off...you can tell his mind is all over the place.

This might be a good time to mention that Matthew Hines was found to be the registered agent for a new entity in May at the same address as his law office.


Business Name History
Name    Name Type
ATLAS SECURITY, LLC    Current Name
Limited Liability Company - Domestic - Information
   
Control No.:    12045024
Status:    Active/Compliance
   
Entity Creation Date:    5/28/2012
   
Jurisdiction:    GA
Principal Office Address:    5000 Austell-Powder Springs Road, St. 138
Austell GA 30106
Last Annual Registration Filed Date:   
Last Annual Registration Filed:   
Registered Agent
   
Agent Name:    Hines, Matt
Office Address:    5000 Austell-Powder Springs Road, St. 138
Austell GA 30106
Agent County:    Cobb

http://corp.sos.state.ga.us/corp/soskb/Corp.asp?1902735

I have other updates that I will list later.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on September 25, 2012, 16:25












The first ever inpatient outpatient center.  WTF?  "Leave your doors unlocked" so we can invade the privacy you dont have because you are at an inpatient outpatient center.  Inpatient if any parents ask.  Outpatient if the state asks.  NN Int isnt responsible for anything because they know nothing.  No one knows a thing.  Im a 15 year Scientologist and dont know what blow or emergency means.  Duhhhhh.....

"Narconon of Georgia
1510 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (678) 580-5939"

that was my apartment and phone number. we all had land lines, no cell phones allowed. the unofficial story was that a student there around christmas of last year posted a picture on facebook that said "getting drunk at rehab" and his parents were pissed to high heavens. we also would hear a click everytime we would answer the phone or dial out.

the apartments there really werent that safe, before i left they wanted us to not lock our doors at night because there would be random bed checks. we only found this out after my roommate had a nightmare about it. if you've ever talked to darryll in person, then you would realize that multiple personality comment is not too far off...you can tell his mind is all over the place.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 25, 2012, 18:29
Quote
The first ever inpatient outpatient center.  WTF?  "Leave your doors unlocked" so we can invade the privacy you dont have because you are at an inpatient outpatient center.  Inpatient if any parents ask.  Outpatient if the state asks.  NN Int isnt responsible for anything because they know nothing.  No one knows a thing.  Im a 15 year Scientologist and dont know what blow or emergency means.  Duhhhhh.....

Yeah. Apparently, they operate as if the rules do not apply to them and it's perfectly acceptable to lie most of the time.

I remember one of our members mentioning when her sister was there, they duct-taped a door at the apartment.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 26, 2012, 12:29
Who knows how many apartments they have rented now?


 More than what is listed within this thread!

 If one really wants to effect change without much effort, One would be well advised to look into HOW Mr. Hall is working with Berkley Landing Apartment management in the sub-letting of the apartments. One would become very enlightened when talking to the city of Duluth and Gwinnett county about the legalities of this sub-letting arrangement Berkley Landing apartments in Duluth, Georgia has with Mr. Hall.

 A couple of phone calls to the city of Duluth, Georgia could end what is transpiring @ Berkley Landing apartments in Duluth, Georgia.

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 26, 2012, 18:35
More than what is listed within this thread!

 If one really wants to effect change without much effort, One would be well advised to look into HOW Mr. Hall is working with Berkley Landing Apartment management in the sub-letting of the apartments. One would become very enlightened when talking to the city of Duluth and Gwinnett county about the legalities of this sub-letting arrangement Berkley Landing apartments in Duluth, Georgia has with Mr. Hall.

 A couple of phone calls to the city of Duluth, Georgia could end what is transpiring @ Berkley Landing apartments in Duluth, Georgia.

It seems like it would be preferable for the calls to come from people who live in the apartment complex. However, I wouldn't discourage anyone from calling......
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 28, 2012, 00:14
Ok.  So i just had a chance to review Clark Carrs deposition again.

On pg 130 or so he is asked about the studies to back up the claims on nn's success rate and validity of sauna program.  He mentions one done by FASE and is asked if it was funded by the church or anyone at int.  says no. 

That study was done in part by Marie Ceccini.  She is a scientologist and used to work for nn chilocco aka nn arrowhead.  I believe they paid her.  I had lunch with her and remember her telling me about working on it.  Never saw check stubs but do remember gary smith saying something about the cost of it.

I would say her religious affiliation and past work experience might be of interest. that is something that was known by int terminals and should have been disclosed there.

Next is pg 190 of deposition, he is being examined by his attorney and asked if int has anything to do with hiring or firing of nn georgia staff.  Says no...  Ive seen Int be involved with at least 7 cases of people getting hired or fired at several different centers.  From ED's to Withdrawal Speicalists. 

The bit about the ED reports not being required is a crock.  They send those forms to you and if you dont send them in on a weekly basis the world stops for them.  Its complete BS what he's saying.

Too bad you weren't conducting the depositions, BMF.  I think the Plaintiffs' attorneys have done an excellent job of getting up to speed on this subject, considering that they knew basically nothing about it when they started, but your spilling of insider knowledge is fantastic.  Future cases will be richer for having all the information that's been coming out lately, in the Desmond case, and from former insiders like you, Luke, and David.  Please keep talking! 

 :-thanks-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 28, 2012, 00:23
"Narconon of Georgia
1510 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (678) 580-5939"

that was my apartment and phone number. we all had land lines, no cell phones allowed. the unofficial story was that a student there around christmas of last year posted a picture on facebook that said "getting drunk at rehab" and his parents were pissed to high heavens. we also would hear a click everytime we would answer the phone or dial out.

the apartments there really werent that safe, before i left they wanted us to not lock our doors at night because there would be random bed checks. we only found this out after my roommate had a nightmare about it.

Wow, that sounds really creepy, not locking the doors.  Why not just give keys to the people who were supposed to do bed checks?  I mean, I understand wanting to make sure people are where they're supposed to be (and they should check on that), but a policy of not locking the doors would allow anyone to come in and do whatever they wanted.  And not just NN monitors and staff, but anyone word got around to, former clients, anyone they told, anyone those people told, etc...

Quote
if you've ever talked to darryll in person, then you would realize that multiple personality comment is not too far off...you can tell his mind is all over the place.

I never have, but I guess he must have a lot on his mind, what with all the drug and alcohol use going on at "his" recovery residences, and how's he going to make another "donation" to the "church" and still pay the bills, and all that.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 28, 2012, 00:25
If one really wants to effect change without much effort, One would be well advised to look into HOW Mr. Hall is working with Berkley Landing Apartment management in the sub-letting of the apartments. One would become very enlightened when talking to the city of Duluth and Gwinnett county about the legalities of this sub-letting arrangement Berkley Landing apartments in Duluth, Georgia has with Mr. Hall.

 A couple of phone calls to the city of Duluth, Georgia could end what is transpiring @ Berkley Landing apartments in Duluth, Georgia.

Spill it, ST.  Don't be coy.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 28, 2012, 00:28
Student Hat is a prerequisite for the BC.  Its quite obvious she is dancing here.  Looks to me like a messed up Roger Rabbit/Running Man/Sprinkler combo.

The first ever inpatient outpatient center.  WTF?  "Leave your doors unlocked" so we can invade the privacy you dont have because you are at an inpatient outpatient center.  Inpatient if any parents ask.  Outpatient if the state asks.  NN Int isnt responsible for anything because they know nothing.  No one knows a thing.  Im a 15 year Scientologist and dont know what blow or emergency means.  Duhhhhh.....

 :-D^\^\
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 28, 2012, 00:31
If they're saying NN Int has nothing to do with operating NN Ga, then apparently they lied to the IRS about the organization of NN Int. From the IRS Exempt Organization listing:

"EIN","LEGAL NAME","ADDRESS","GEN","TYPE","AFFILIATE","DBA"
"952769582","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","4652 HOLLYWD BLVD LOS ANGELES CA 90027-5408","2595","03","6"
"042606410","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","76 WINN ST STE 2C WOBURN MA 01801-2868","2595","03","9","NARCONON BOSTON"
"731690918","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","611 S FT HARISN AVE CLEARWATER FL 33756-5301","2595","03","9","NARCONON EASTERN UNITED STATES"
"593035096","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","22073 US HIGHWAY 19 N CLEARWATER FL 33765-2364","2595","03","9","NARCONON FLORIDA"
"421534941","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","5688 PEACHTREE PKWY NORCROSS GA 30092-2848","2595","03","9","NARCONON OF GEORGIA"
"731589280","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","69 ARROWHEAD LOOP CANADIAN OK 74425-5012","2595","03","9","NARCONON OF OKLAHOMA"
"954536141","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","622 E VILLA ST PASADENA CA 91101-1120","2595","03","9","FRIENDS OF NARCONON"
"954853440","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","13850 GRABER AVE SYLMAR CA 91342-2622","2595","03","9","NARCONON DRUG PREVENTION & EDUCATI"
"330911677","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","225 W BROADWAY STE 420 GLENDALE CA 91204-1331","2595","03","9","NARCONON FRESH START"
"651238009","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","225 W BROADWAY STE 420 GLENDALE CA 91204-1331","2595","03","9","NARCONON WESTERN UNITED STATES"
"770275827","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","262 GAFFEY RD WATSONVILLE CA 95076-9731","2595","03","9","NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA"
"550828683","NARCONON INTERNATIONAL","4652 HOLLYWOOD BLVD LOS ANGELES CA 90027-5408","2595","03","9","NARCONON OF WEST HOLLYWOOD"

EIN: Employer Identification Number
 
GEN: Group Exemption Number
2595 if covered by the NN Int Group Exemption Letter

TYPE: Exemption Type
03 for a 501(c)3 exemption

AFFILIATE
6 - Group Controlling Organization
9 - Group Subordiante Organization

All of these Narconons are part of Narconon International per the Group Exemption Letter covered by Group Exemption Number 2595. "Narconon Georgia" is a DBA for Narconon International's Georgia operation. If they're saying something different they're lying through their teeth, either to Georgia or the IRS.

BigBeard, do you know where we can get a copy of this Group Exemption Letter? 

(sorry if you've said elsewhere and I haven't been paying attention as much as I should have...)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: loriisbored on September 28, 2012, 01:33
"Narconon of Georgia
1510 Summerchase Dr, Duluth, GA 30096 » Map (678) 580-5939"

that was my apartment and phone number. we all had land lines, no cell phones allowed. the unofficial story was that a student there around christmas of last year posted a picture on facebook that said "getting drunk at rehab" and his parents were pissed to high heavens. we also would hear a click everytime we would answer the phone or dial out.

the apartments there really werent that safe, before i left they wanted us to not lock our doors at night because there would be random bed checks. we only found this out after my roommate had a nightmare about it.

Wow, that sounds really creepy, not locking the doors.  Why not just give keys to the people who were supposed to do bed checks?  I mean, I understand wanting to make sure people are where they're supposed to be (and they should check on that), but a policy of not locking the doors would allow anyone to come in and do whatever they wanted.  And not just NN monitors and staff, but anyone word got around to, former clients, anyone they told, anyone those people told, etc...

Quote
if you've ever talked to darryll in person, then you would realize that multiple personality comment is not too far off...you can tell his mind is all over the place.

I never have, but I guess he must have a lot on his mind, what with all the drug and alcohol use going on at "his" recovery residences, and how's he going to make another "donation" to the "church" and still pay the bills, and all that.

well, in my apartment 1510, the reason we did not have a key was due to the fact that a former student had put superglue in the keyhole..but yes that was very dumb on their part to ask four young girls to not lock their door at night, and at least two with a sexual abuse history.

Who knows how many apartments they have rented now?


 More than what is listed within this thread!

 If one really wants to effect change without much effort, One would be well advised to look into HOW Mr. Hall is working with Berkley Landing Apartment management in the sub-letting of the apartments. One would become very enlightened when talking to the city of Duluth and Gwinnett county about the legalities of this sub-letting arrangement Berkley Landing apartments in Duluth, Georgia has with Mr. Hall.

 A couple of phone calls to the city of Duluth, Georgia could end what is transpiring @ Berkley Landing apartments in Duluth, Georgia.

when i left there was close to 100 srudents, with around 15 to 20 living at the hotel...so around 80 students, and mostly 4 to an apartment, a few with 3= almost half of the complex by now. maybe getting the legal tennats to complain as well would be benificial? i know that we pissed them the hell off by loitering in the parking lot.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 28, 2012, 16:09

when i left there was close to 100 srudents, with around 15 to 20 living at the hotel...so around 80 students, and mostly 4 to an apartment, a few with 3= almost half of the complex by now. maybe getting the legal tennats to complain as well would be benificial? i know that we pissed them the hell off by loitering in the parking lot.


Thank you! There were/are 20+ 2 bedroom units in use for the housing.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on September 28, 2012, 16:35
Ethercat,

Someone linked to the Group Exemption letter in one of the threads here, don't remember which though.

Also, the original Form 1023 after the 93 Closing Agreement has info on the NN Int set up and can be found at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Documents/irs-1023-narconon.pdf  There've been changes since the 1023 was originally done, but the overall gist is there, along with a statement about the "Group Exemption Letter".
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 29, 2012, 12:47
Looks like this story is hitting the media! 

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11501.0.html
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 29, 2012, 14:58
 :^:^:^:E
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 29, 2012, 16:16
 :){}{}{}
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 29, 2012, 16:42
Ethercat,

Someone linked to the Group Exemption letter in one of the threads here, don't remember which though.

Also, the original Form 1023 after the 93 Closing Agreement has info on the NN Int set up and can be found at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Documents/irs-1023-narconon.pdf  There've been changes since the 1023 was originally done, but the overall gist is there, along with a statement about the "Group Exemption Letter".

Thank you, BigBeard.  I'll search the forum for it.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 29, 2012, 16:54
:){}{}{}
Best smiley evah!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 29, 2012, 17:55
http://youtu.be/2DUqplxIcNk
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 29, 2012, 19:47
Ok, guys, this is the motherlode of new docs incoming.  If anyone needs a dictionary to understand some of the scientology specific lingo and acronyms (and you probably will, if you go through this stuff throughly), this link that was considerately posted further back in the thread by who me? may help:
http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/ADMIN_DICTIONARY.pdf

Delgado somehow got off the hook.  I'm not sure how, since they don't seem to have any money to speak of:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-13-JointMotionToDismissByPlaintiffsAndDefendantDelgadoDevelopmentInc.pdf
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-17-OrderDismissingDefendantDelgadoDevelopmentIncWithoutPrejudice.pdf


The judge had to order Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International to produce requested documents: 
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-21-OrderToNNGaAndNNIntToProduceDocuments.pdf

So they produced some more documents, which Harris and Team used as exhibits in this additional Filing to support their Motion of Sanctions.  Exhibit B of this document is the explosive Exhibit B that prompted Narconon to file an "Emergency Motion" to try to have it sealed after the fact.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-07-SupplementalFilingInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionForSanctionsAgainstDefendantNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the Emergency Motion yet (will try to get that on the next document run), but here is the Plaintiffs' response to it, also with an exhibit, Things That Shouldn't Be" written by Mary Rieser on August 14, 2008, and sent to Dir I and R NN Int, Dir I and R NN EUS, and Dir I and R ABLE EUS (I and R = Inspection and Reports):
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-12-PlaintiffsResponseToNarcononInternationalsEmergencyMotionToHaveExhibitBToPlaintiffsSupplementalFilingWithdrawnAndFiledUnderSeal.pdf

Narconon of Georgia, true to pattern, needs more time to respond to the Supplemental Filing above, since they spent the time they had making the Emergency Motion to try to keep the Exhibit B from public scrutiny:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-13-OrderExtendingDeadlineForNNGAToRespond.pdf

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we've been waiting for - Judge Hydrick has not been fooled by Narconon's gyrations and feigned privacy concerns, she has ordered everything1 UNSEALED, or rather, filed again unsealed but with students' names redacted:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-13-OrderToUnsealDocuments.pdf



 |*\                                                              /*|


And finally...
Presenting that which Narconon did not want anyone to see...
Sealed documents that Jeffrey Harris, Esquire, Motioned to be unsealed
Sealed documents that Matt's and my petition requested be unsealed
Sealed Documents opened via the Georgia Uniform Superior Court Rule 21

(Hey, the law - unlike scientology, it works and it helps people):

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-14-NoticeOfFilingPursuantToCourtsSeptember-13-2012-Order.pdf

This stuff, unlike the depositions, has been OCR'ed, so you should be able to copy and paste freely, except for some handwritten stuff in the exhibits.

And please, y'all, this stuff that Narconon wanted to keep quiet, please spread it around, copy it, upload it elsewhere, make sure there is more than 1 copy around the web at all times, because this is truly a rarity to have this internal Narconon information out for public use (also, because they will absolutely hate it).  I hope it will be useful in the other Narconon cases coming.

Thank you very, very much to Mr. Jeffry Harris, Ms. Rebecca Franklin, other supportive staff, and to the Desmond Family!  You have done a great service to anti-Narconon activists and consumer advocates everywhere.

 
 -<O>-   T_:O-T   \oO--Oo/    -<O>-   T_:O-T   \oO--Oo/    -<O>-   T_:O-T   \oO--Oo/   

 Two reasons to dance in one day (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11501.0.html); things must be looking up!



1  Everything except Brad Taylor's student file, which we were never interested in anyway.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 29, 2012, 21:07
 ||||9000|||| LOL!! 8:O8P|()
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 30, 2012, 00:29
 
Ok, guys, this is the motherlode of new docs incoming.  If anyone needs a dictionary to understand some of the scientology specific lingo and acronyms (and you probably will, if you go through this stuff throughly), this link that was considerately posted further back in the thread by who me? may help:
http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/ADMIN_DICTIONARY.pdf

Delgado somehow got off the hook.  I'm not sure how, since they don't seem to have any money to speak of:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-13-JointMotionToDismissByPlaintiffsAndDefendantDelgadoDevelopmentInc.pdf
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-17-OrderDismissingDefendantDelgadoDevelopmentIncWithoutPrejudice.pdf


The judge had to order Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International to produce requested documents: 
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-08-21-OrderToNNGaAndNNIntToProduceDocuments.pdf

So they produced some more documents, which Harris and Team used as exhibits in this additional Filing to support their Motion of Sanctions.  Exhibit B of this document is the explosive Exhibit B that prompted Narconon to file an "Emergency Motion" to try to have it sealed after the fact.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-07-SupplementalFilingInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionForSanctionsAgainstDefendantNarcononOfGeorgia.pdf

Unfortunately, I don't have a copy of the Emergency Motion yet (will try to get that on the next document run), but here is the Plaintiffs' response to it, also with an exhibit, Things That Shouldn't Be" written by Mary Rieser on August 14, 2008, and sent to Dir I and R NN Int, Dir I and R NN EUS, and Dir I and R ABLE EUS (I and R = Inspection and Reports):
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-12-PlaintiffsResponseToNarcononInternationalsEmergencyMotionToHaveExhibitBToPlaintiffsSupplementalFilingWithdrawnAndFiledUnderSeal.pdf

Narconon of Georgia, true to pattern, needs more time to respond to the Supplemental Filing above, since they spent the time they had making the Emergency Motion to try to keep the Exhibit B from public scrutiny:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-13-OrderExtendingDeadlineForNNGAToRespond.pdf

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we've been waiting for - Judge Hydrick has not been fooled by Narconon's gyrations and feigned privacy concerns, she has ordered everything1 UNSEALED, or rather, filed again unsealed but with students' names redacted:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-13-OrderToUnsealDocuments.pdf



 |*\                                                              /*|


And finally...
Presenting that which Narconon did not want anyone to see...
Sealed documents that Jeffrey Harris, Esquire, Motioned to be unsealed
Sealed documents that Matt's and my petition requested be unsealed
Sealed Documents opened via the Georgia Uniform Superior Court Rule 21

(Hey, the law - unlike scientology, it works and it helps people):

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-14-NoticeOfFilingPursuantToCourtsSeptember-13-2012-Order.pdf

This stuff, unlike the depositions, has been OCR'ed, so you should be able to copy and paste freely, except for some handwritten stuff in the exhibits.

And please, y'all, this stuff that Narconon wanted to keep quiet, please spread it around, copy it, upload it elsewhere, make sure there is more than 1 copy around the web at all times, because this is truly a rarity to have this internal Narconon information out for public use (also, because they will absolutely hate it).  I hope it will be useful in the other Narconon cases coming.

Thank you very, very much to Mr. Jeffry Harris, Ms. Rebecca Franklin, other supportive staff, and to the Desmond Family!  You have done a great service to anti-Narconon activists and consumer advocates everywhere.

 
 -<O>-   T_:O-T   \oO--Oo/    -<O>-   T_:O-T   \oO--Oo/    -<O>-   T_:O-T   \oO--Oo/   

 Two reasons to dance in one day (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11501.0.html); things must be looking up!



1  Everything except Brad Taylor's student file, which we were never interested in anyway.


 (:E) Thankfully this WOG understands most of the wacko lingo these sci,s use. The COMM "Landed" as the sci,s say! So many interesting revelations.

 The plaintiff,s legal team really is telling it like it is.
 
 
Quote
That is what these documents show md unless making money from a RICO enterprise is
a "trade secret" -this Motion is frivolous.

Quote
NNINT does not want
these documents in the public domain, not because they contain trade secrets (unless it
has a proprietary secret recipe for criminal activity it wishes to protect), but rather
because they fully implicate them in a RICO enterprise.

 Hammer hits nail on head.

 WOGS-R-US VO><OV
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 30, 2012, 12:14
Quote
Pursuant to the Court's September 13, 2012 Order, Plaintiffs hereby file redacted copies of the following documents:

• Urgent Directive Documents- Bates Nos. 008588- 008593;

NARCONON OF GEORGIA
OutPatient Drug Treatment Program and Education
URGENT DIRECTIVE


For the last year an outside group bas been attacking Narconons on the WEB. Recently, these attacks specifically mentioned Narconon of Georgia, necessitating perfection of service and all legal ruds in with Narconon and affiliate housing.

Concunent with the attacks within the last month there have been service issues at Narconon and housing, evidenced by physical episodes (resulting in two police reports), reports of recent drug use, dirty quarters, absence from post in the orientation area, sauna and housing and leave of absence granted to students new to the program. Any of these points can lead to refunds; all of which fall on Narconon, regardless of the cause. A full
Board of Investigation will be done to investigate the following points:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-14-NoticeOfFilingPursuantToCourtsSeptember-13-2012-Order.pdf

Quote
PLAINTIFFS' RESPONSE TO NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S
EMERGENCY MOTION TO HAVE EXHIBIT "B" TO PLAINTIFFS'
SUPPLEMENTAL FILING WITHDRAWN AND FILED UNDER SEAL

[..] For example, the single most important and damning document produced in this case was produced on Tuesday of this week, years after this litigation started and the relevant depositions have been taken. See Ex. A.1 That document also makes it clear that there are still numerous documents
related to NNGAINNINT's negligent housing operation that have never been produced even in the face of a Court Order. [..]

[..] But they should be honest - the real reason NNINT wants the public record sealed is because the documents at issue show its complicity in allowing NNGA to run a negligent and criminal enterprise. It has absolutely nothing to do with protecting trade secrets or confidential information.

EXHIBIT A

Dir I and R NN Int
Dir I and R NN EUS
Dir I and R ABLE EUS
                    THINGS THAT SHOULDN'T BE
14 August 2008
I am sending a box of information that is somewhat of a chronicle about events between Narconon of Georgia and Delgado Development (a company that has provided supportive housing for Narconon of Georgia out patient students- all their clients have come from Narconon). The point of this report is to delineate what has transpired as a result of management lines into Narconon of Georgia becoming crossed, confusing and off policy. It is as much a report about me, the ED who allowed it as those who helped to
perpetuate it.[..]

[..]In June of2007 Narconon of Georgia was finally granted the right to deliver the Sauna program by the state of Georgia. This was after a five year battle with the state. It was no small feat to get full licensure for all portions of Narconon delivery as it meant recognition by the state. Coincident with this has been continuous increased PR with the Governor's office and the legislative body- of obvious benefit to all LRH delivery facilities in the area

[..]
In March, Anonymous was heavily on attack in Georgia, both with Narconon and the Church. In an attempt to ensure that tech was in at Narconon and that legal rudiments were in at housing and Narconon, so as to proof up against attacks, I called a Board of Investigation to investigate certain points. For some reason Maria was upset from the moment the Board was called, even though it was an impartial board to get data. I learned third hand that she had put it on org lines and was upset- it appeared she did not get the point of what we were doing.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-12-PlaintiffsResponseToNarcononInternationalsEmergencyMotionToHaveExhibitBToPlaintiffsSupplementalFilingWithdrawnAndFiledUnderSeal.pdf

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on September 30, 2012, 12:32
Mary and Sunshine Lewis influencing Georgia legislators.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img831/7843/galegislaturejan06003.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Taylor_%28politician%29

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 30, 2012, 12:42
[..]
Quote

EXHIBIT A

[..]In June of2007 Narconon of Georgia was finally granted the right to deliver the Sauna program by the state of Georgia. This was after a five year battle with the state. It was no small feat to get full licensure for all portions of Narconon delivery as it meant recognition by the state. Coincident with this has been continuous increased PR with the Governor's office and the legislative body- of obvious benefit to all LRH delivery facilities in the area
[..]
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-12-PlaintiffsResponseToNarcononInternationalsEmergencyMotionToHaveExhibitBToPlaintiffsSupplementalFilingWithdrawnAndFiledUnderSeal.pdf

George Ervin "Sonny" Perdue III[1] (born December 20, 1946) is an American politician who served as the 81st Governor of Georgia from 2003 to 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Perdue

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Sonny_Perdue.JPG)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 30, 2012, 13:10

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Sonny_Perdue.JPG)

 :-D^\^\
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 30, 2012, 14:38
There is now a list of the more important files in this case (no Rule 5.2s, no Notices of Leaves of Absence, etc.) located here:
http://reachingforthetippingpoint.net/desmond

I'll update the page as new documents come in.  Don't worry, though, I'll keep updating this thread too.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 30, 2012, 14:43
There is now a list of the more important files in this case (no Rule 5.2s, no Notices of Leaves of Absence, etc.) located here:
http://reachingforthetippingpoint.net/desmond

I'll update the page as new documents come in.  Don't worry, though, I'll keep updating this thread too.
Wow! Thats a lot of dox!  ||||9000||||
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 30, 2012, 19:18
Wow! Thats a lot of dox!  ||||9000||||

Yes.  There's nothing that hasn't been posted in this thread at one time or another, but it sure does look massive when they're listed all together, doesn't it.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on September 30, 2012, 21:40
WSB Radio: Who Was Patrick Desmond? (http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/who-was-patrick-desmond/nSQM7/)

More here: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11501.0.html
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 30, 2012, 22:12
WSB Radio: Who Was Patrick Desmond? (http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/who-was-patrick-desmond/nSQM7/)



 Comment section is open on the WSB radio site.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 01, 2012, 07:14
Part 2 of Pete Combs' Atlanta Morning News radio show coming up @ 7:45am
http://www.wsbradio.com/s/narconon/

Then at 5pm, we have WSB TV NEWS Atlanta Channel 2 Action News Investigations reporting their a multipart story ( see teaser video here
http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/2-investigates/lH8/  )

There, Investigative Reporter Jodie Fleisher will reveal  secrets the program fought to protect. Insiders blow the whistle on problems the state ignored for years.And the connection to the Church of Scientology.
http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/2-investigates/lH8/

Additionally, there will be more this week from this multimedia investigation. Atlanta Journal and Constitution reports as well, and there will be nationwide CBS Radio broadcasts!

Tune in for Part 2 of Pete Combs' Atlanta Morning News radio show @ 7:45am
today.
http://www.wsbradio.com/s/narconon/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 01, 2012, 11:25
 WSB radio audio on this story can be heard at the following link!

http://www.wsbradio.com/Player/101565291/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 01, 2012, 12:36
THREE DOG NIGHT Liar (Live w / lyrics)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq5_pEO8a8U

Click on pic to enlarge.

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Left to right- State Senator Vincent D. Fort, Executive Director of NarCONon of Georgia,s Mary Rieser, Sunshine Lewis and Alexander "Sandy" MacNabb, Esq.  Attorney for Narconon
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on October 01, 2012, 14:22
On the left is State Senator Vincent D. Fort. Definitely.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on October 01, 2012, 14:28
On the right is Alexander "Sandy" MacNabb, Esq.  Attorney for Narconon Arrowhead and also did work for Narconon International and Narconon Georgia.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on October 01, 2012, 15:00
Lucas, thank you for everything you are doing.  You are a true blue legitimate hero.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 01, 2012, 15:25
On the right is Alexander "Sandy" MacNabb, Esq.  Attorney for Narconon Arrowhead and also did work for Narconon International and Narconon Georgia.
Thanks Brother for the info and what you are doing!!

 Click on the pic to enlarge.

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/GALegislatureJan06005-2-1.jpg)

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/GALegislatureJan06003-2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 01, 2012, 16:55
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/2-investigates-patient-death-georgia-narconon/nSQwp/


2 Investigates: Patient death at Georgia Narconon

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State Inspections
During an unannounced inspection in March, eight out of eight patients interviewed by state inspectors said they were in Narconon's "residential program." During a follow-up inspection in April, 21 out of 28 patients told inspectors they were residential. Two of those patients were under court orders and most were from out of state.

Fleischer asked Rieser why those patients would tell state inspectors they were in a residential program, if they were not.

"I wasn't there when they answered the question," Rieser replied. "These are not the most truthful people here.But I can promise you, somebody comes in, they sign several times that they know we're an outpatient (program)."

Now, more than four years after Patrick Desmond's death, Narconon's own website, still refers to the Georgia program as a "long-term residential facility."

"It breaks my heart. You send your child for help, and you think he's going to be cared for. But he wasn't cared for. He was just left to his own devices," Colleen Desmond said. "I feel the whole place was a total fake scam."
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 01, 2012, 17:45
http://www.wsbtv.com/s/news/live/

ON RIGHT NOW!!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 01, 2012, 17:55
Right to the center of this scam! BAM!! Can't wait to see the rest!!

((HUGGS)) and thanks to Mrs. Desmond {O\O} for speaking out, painful as I know it must have been.

To Mary Rieser all I can say is ...

(http://www.netnax.net/imgs/misc/box-liar2.gif)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on October 01, 2012, 18:19
Lucas, thank you for everything you are doing.  You are a true blue legitimate hero.

Not hardly, but thank you.  I'm only playing one tiny part in the whole scheme of trying to get the truth out there, after many years of having my own eyes and ears closed.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 01, 2012, 18:48
Lucas, thank you for everything you are doing.  You are a true blue legitimate hero.

Not hardly, but thank you.  I'm only playing one tiny part in the whole scheme of trying to get the truth out there, after many years of having my own eyes and ears closed.

Well, you're doing it in a big way and we are all very grateful!
Same with Allison Riepe!!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 01, 2012, 19:31
Yes YesYes!

 WSB reporter to Mary Rieser, Ms Rieser have you ever claimed to be a "Residential treatment facility", then a computer screen grab of a Narconon of Georgia website stating that in fact yes, it claims to be a residential treatment facility.

 Then a quick cut to Lisa Mooty of the Brevard Co, FLA drug courts and her video deposition. Quote Ms. Mooty. Yes, Mary Rieser stated that Narconon of Georgia is a "Residential treatment facility".

 Then another quick cut to Randy Taylor of Tennessee whose son was also enrolled in Narconon of Georgia at the time Patrick Desmond passed. In a video deposition, Mr. Taylor stated that YES Mary Rieser claimed Narconon of Georgia was a "Residential treatment facility".

 Who would YOU believe? A Scientologist incapable of telling the truth or a member of the courts or a private citizen looking for help with his sons addiction?

 ::)

 I was very touched by Ms. Desmonds statements. Ms. Desmond you have my greatest respect! Then to watch as the executive director of Narconon of Georgia Mary Rieser belittle those that she claims to be helping.

 I cannot wait to see the state of Georgia,s Department of Community Health taken to task over this whole sad affair. Had the DCH done its duty years ago, IMHO Patrick Desmond would still be with us today!

 Though happy to finally see something happening here, PLEASE REMEMBER AT THIS VERY MOMENT MARY RIESER AND HER LITTLE GANG ARE HOUSING YOUNG VULNERABLE PEOPLE at the BERKLEY LANDING APARTMENT COMPLEX in DULUTH GEORGIA and the states DEPARTMENT OF HEALTHCARE FACILITY REGULATIONS is FULLY AWARE OF THIS FACT AND DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

 God only knows what horrors are transpiring there!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 01, 2012, 22:24
Lucas, thank you for everything you are doing.  You are a true blue legitimate hero.

Not hardly, but thank you.  I'm only playing one tiny part in the whole scheme of trying to get the truth out there, after many years of having my own eyes and ears closed.

Well, you're doing it in a big way and we are all very grateful!
Same with Allison Riepe!!

I agree, Luke!  And I wish Allison Riepe would come on the forum and talk to us, too!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on October 01, 2012, 23:31
I can't wait to "See what happened when we grilled the head of the Department of Community Health about it, and why he's now decided to open a new investigation, Tuesday at 5."  ;D
They brushed complaints aside and hopefully have learned the errors of their ways (publicity hurts when you are not doing a good job).
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 02, 2012, 06:46
I can't wait to "See what happened when we grilled the head of the Department of Community Health about it, and why he's now decided to open a new investigation, Tuesday at 5."  ;D
They brushed complaints aside and hopefully have learned the errors of their ways (publicity hurts when you are not doing a good job).

 ;D  I'm very excited about seeing that too, and curious what the AJC will have. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: loriisbored on October 04, 2012, 04:08
I just watched a few of those videos, and i recognized at least a one person shown anonymously. (did anyone else catch the guy in the corner of the sauna hiding his face?)

"These are not the most truthful people." mary is such a lying bitch. I would guarentee unless that was a suprise visit, that the students were coached on what to say. and i would also be willing to bet that mary "forgot" to mention the part about how she told each one of them that they were promised an inpatient facility.

mary needs to learn how to "confront"...her "buttons" sure were pushed in those interviews...she needs to review her bullbaiting trs! lol
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on October 04, 2012, 08:36
Mary needs to learn to add before she signs narCONon of Georgia's Form 990s. I just started looking at their 990 for 2010 and already found two significant (over $1,000) math errors on the first page. And I'm just an amatuer at this.

The Desmond's attorney may want to have a tax account look them over for the past few years to see if they're trying to hide any assests.



Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 04, 2012, 11:26
I just watched a few of those videos, and i recognized at least a one person shown anonymously. (did anyone else catch the guy in the corner of the sauna hiding his face?)

Interesting. I thought that sauna footage may have just been generic Narconon International footage. I did not know the sauna in Doraville were that large. Aren't there 2 dry sauna,s at that location?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 04, 2012, 11:28
Mary needs to learn to add before she signs narCONon of Georgia's Form 990s. I just started looking at their 990 for 2010 and already found two significant (over $1,000) math errors on the first page. And I'm just an amatuer at this.

The Desmond's attorney may want to have a tax account look them over for the past few years to see if they're trying to hide any assests.
Y--O-||
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: loriisbored on October 04, 2012, 12:21
I just watched a few of those videos, and i recognized at least a one person shown anonymously. (did anyone else catch the guy in the corner of the sauna hiding his face?)

Interesting. I thought that sauna footage may have just been generic Narconon International footage. I did not know the sauna in Doraville were that large. Aren't there 2 dry sauna,s at that location?




well, the one i knew of for sure (by his posture) was in the shot where the two guys were walking towards the classroom building at Norcross. and the shot from the sauna may have been stock footage, but the guy in the corner looked very familiar to me. also, before i made it to sauna(around late february) they upgraded the "small box" to be about the same size as the other box(15 max people per a box which equals everyone sweating on eachother). but, by the time i was almost done with sauna there were so many students that they sent us in two different shifts. the smart thing to have done would have been to rent/buy the empty space on either side and combined it into a 4 box sauna. but of course that could not happen. mary needs her louis vitton purses.

on a side note, when someone never blinks, is that a scientology thing or a pathological liar thing? because i honestly cant remember mary blinking once...
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: wynot on October 04, 2012, 13:09

on a side note, when someone never blinks, is that a scientology thing or a pathological liar thing? because i honestly cant remember mary blinking once...

Both. TR1, if I remember aright...

'til next time;
wynot
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: anonysamvines on October 04, 2012, 13:23
hi finally spotted the hint hint to me   ;)
am limited in what i can do but finally made it

also wanted to cross post this to see what you thought

would be quite profitable if we could find out which other students were also sentenced to inpatient rehab and thus which other courts na ga has deceived like it did the Florida one - and then some kindly soul tipped them off!
I sure wouldn't be surprised to find there are many - including many after this time and after Mary was questioned about it!

The courts may not be happy with NA then at all - not a good position for them to be in I suspect lol
I dare say the meeja would be interested too

Wonder if Alison Rieper (sp?) or any other whistle blower would be happy to help? Perhaps tipping point may have contacts in this regard.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on October 04, 2012, 15:07
Quote
The courts may not be happy with NA then at all

NA is Narcotics Anonymous, a 12 step program totally seperate from, and having absolutely nothing to do with narCONon.

It's widely believed narCONon uses that name to deliberately cause confusion in peoples minds with NA.

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 04, 2012, 16:44
I just watched a few of those videos, and i recognized at least a one person shown anonymously. (did anyone else catch the guy in the corner of the sauna hiding his face?)

Interesting. I thought that sauna footage may have just been generic Narconon International footage. I did not know the sauna in Doraville were that large. Aren't there 2 dry sauna,s at that location?




well, the one i knew of for sure (by his posture) was in the shot where the two guys were walking towards the classroom building at Norcross. and the shot from the sauna may have been stock footage, but the guy in the corner looked very familiar to me. also, before i made it to sauna(around late february) they upgraded the "small box" to be about the same size as the other box(15 max people per a box which equals everyone sweating on eachother). but, by the time i was almost done with sauna there were so many students that they sent us in two different shifts. the smart thing to have done would have been to rent/buy the empty space on either side and combined it into a 4 box sauna. but of course that could not happen. mary needs her louis vitton purses.

on a side note, when someone never blinks, is that a scientology thing or a pathological liar thing? because i honestly cant remember mary blinking once...

 Super freaky stuff that non blnking thingie. Now you know a girl just HAS to have a nice hand bag n stuff.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 04, 2012, 18:06
hi finally spotted the hint hint to me   ;)
am limited in what i can do but finally made it

Welcome to TP, anonysamvines!  I was particularly impressed with your comments about the depositions over on WWP.  Glad to have you here.   ;D

Quote
also wanted to cross post this to see what you thought

would be quite profitable if we could find out which other students were also sentenced to inpatient rehab and thus which other courts na ga has deceived like it did the Florida one - and then some kindly soul tipped them off!
I sure wouldn't be surprised to find there are many - including many after this time and after Mary was questioned about it!

The courts may not be happy with NA then at all - not a good position for them to be in I suspect lol

I, and I am sure some others here also, have a LOT of interest in finding out which courts are sending clients to Narconon, or allowing them to go (as was the case for the Desmonds).  We did a Georgia sheriffs innoculation project (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,4484.0.html), but that was before the deaths in Oklahoma, and before the Desmond case went into overdrive, (looking back, it was before the Desmond case was even filed).  Don't know if it had any impact, though.

It would be good to warn the drug courts now that there are so many utterly damning court documents that have come out.

Quote
I dare say the meeja would be interested too

The meeja?

Quote
Wonder if Alison Rieper (sp?) or any other whistle blower would be happy to help? Perhaps tipping point may have contacts in this regard.

It would be great to have Allison Riepe on here.  Maybe she'll google her name and find us.

I've got a little bit of information about the drug courts.  I wonder if Luke and BMF have any info about them.  I'll dig up what I know about over the next day or two and start a thread about it, or feel free to start a thread yourself if you'd like.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 04, 2012, 18:12
Mary needs to learn to add before she signs narCONon of Georgia's Form 990s. I just started looking at their 990 for 2010 and already found two significant (over $1,000) math errors on the first page. And I'm just an amatuer at this.

The Desmond's attorney may want to have a tax account look them over for the past few years to see if they're trying to hide any assests.

Wow, BigBeard, that's pretty significant.

on a side note, when someone never blinks, is that a scientology thing or a pathological liar thing? because i honestly cant remember mary blinking once...

Aren't those two things really one in the same?   :D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on October 04, 2012, 18:24
Welcome, all new members. Your participation here is appreciated!

 :w:e:l:c:o:m:e:

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on October 04, 2012, 19:58
Here's a video of Gordy Weinand at the State Capitol in 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-dq38ovcsU&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 05, 2012, 21:52
 Not my intention to derail,but with both documents coming to light in this case and first hand experiences with a state of Georgia agency,I serious wonder if this whole affair needs to be looked at by an agency with the knowledge and expertise that would be unbiased as to the outcome. I personally feel it is time to let those with that knowledge,expertise and resources do what they do best.

 http://www.fbi.gov/atlanta/

Quote
Criminal Priorities

4. Combat public corruption at all levels

Corruption in government threatens our country’s democracy and national security, impacting everything from how well our borders are secured and our neighborhoods protected…to verdicts handed down in courts…to the quality of our roads and schools. And it takes a significant toll on our pocketbooks, too, wasting billions of tax dollars every year.

Our investigations in Atlanta focus on violations of federal law by public officials in local, state, and federal government—such as bribery, contract and procurement fraud, antitrust, environmental crimes, and election fraud, as well as violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

For more information on the FBI’s national efforts, see our Public Corruption webpage. And see our Press Room for current cases and our Atlanta History page for past investigations.

Quote
7. Combat major white-collar crime

Fraud—the art of deliberate deception for unlawful gain—is as old as history; the term “white-collar crime” was reportedly coined in 1939 and has since become synonymous with the full range of frauds committed by business and government professionals. Today’s financial criminals and con artists are more savvy and sophisticated than ever, engineering everything from complex stock and health care frauds and intellectual property rip-offs.

We have numerous investigators dedicated to fighting white-collar crime in the Atlanta Division. These investigators focus on mortgage fraud, health care fraud, corporate fraud, securities and commodities fraud, insurance fraud, asset forfeiture/money laundering, bankruptcy fraud, government fraud, and hedge fund fraud.

For more information, see our White-Collar Crime webpage. And see our Press Room for current cases and our Atlanta History page for past investigations.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: anonysamvines on October 08, 2012, 18:51

Welcome to TP, anonysamvines!  I was particularly impressed with your comments about the depositions over on WWP.  Glad to have you here.   ;D

thank you  :)  hope to get some more covered soon (health and onscreen keyboard usage allowing)

Quote
I, and I am sure some others here also, have a LOT of interest in finding out which courts are sending clients to Narconon, or allowing them to go (as was the case for the Desmonds).  We did a Georgia sheriffs innoculation project (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,4484.0.html), but that was before the deaths in Oklahoma, and before the Desmond case went into overdrive, (looking back, it was before the Desmond case was even filed).  Don't know if it had any impact, though.

It would be good to warn the drug courts now that there are so many utterly damning court documents that have come out.
that is exactly the kind of thing i was thinking of, unfortunately i am in the uk (would be happy to contribute to the costs as funds allow though).  That campaign was brilliant.  No chance of them saying we didn't know/had no way of knowing!

That kind of thing sent to the drug courts would give them a heads up, for which they should be appreciative, and if not then if anything similar happens in their jurisdiction they cannot use the "we didn't know" defence in the media - as some nice caring soul could point out .....

With the drug courts it would be most profitable to include a copy of Lisa Mooty's deposition (possibly the probation officer's and relevant parts of Allison's too) !!  I am sure they would not wish to be in the same position and would double check any previous and current clients and paperwork.  And also be very wary of any future referrals.

If any further occurrences of deception were to be found they may also be helpful to teh awesome Jeff and Rebecca lawfag team in proving beyond any (un)reasonable doubt that it was not only deliberate policy of Mary but also NN Int.

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The meeja?
oops will try harder at the typing - media, can you imagine the shit storm if some could be found?

Quote

I've got a little bit of information about the drug courts.  I wonder if Luke and BMF have any info about them.  I'll dig up what I know about over the next day or two and start a thread about it, or feel free to start a thread yourself if you'd like.
Lisa Mooty may also be a good place to try for drug court info too. She really seemed concerned. She mentioned that all the Florida drug courts have some sort of association (and i bet/hope NN won't be getting any more approvals there), they may possibly have contacts in other states too.

I would also like to add that should anyone be contacting anyone about more stringent legislation for rehabs,  PLEASE PLEASE be sure to add the need for regulations for the advertising and referral system.  These "advisors" are equally as complicit and dangerous!!
This is one of many threads, and a good resource on why
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/informed-treatment-rehabwatcher-beau-griffis-mega-thread.104076/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: anonysamvines on October 08, 2012, 19:09
Mary needs to learn to add before she signs narCONon of Georgia's Form 990s. I just started looking at their 990 for 2010 and already found two significant (over $1,000) math errors on the first page. And I'm just an amatuer at this.

The Desmond's attorney may want to have a tax account look them over for the past few years to see if they're trying to hide any assests.

I finally got round to checking Jeff's firm's site, they do have a   forensic accountant on staff. http://www.hpllegal.com/overview/other-professionals/brian-bradley

I wonder if he has contact with anyone as knowledgeable as you on Co$ and their standard, across the whole spectrum of companies, accounting tricks. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on October 08, 2012, 21:34
The official transcript of the July 19, 2012 hearing before Judge Hydrick on the Desmonds' Motion for Sanctions was filed today.

Should be an intertaining read.

Also, an Order dropping the hammer on Narconon of GA should be forthcoming soon.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 08, 2012, 22:01
... stuff to reply to later....

I started a Drug Courts thread: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11687.0/topicseen.html

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on October 08, 2012, 22:23
The official transcript of the July 19, 2012 hearing before Judge Hydrick on the Desmonds' Motion for Sanctions was filed today.

Should be an intertaining read.

Also, an Order dropping the hammer on Narconon of GA should be forthcoming soon.

Thanks for the info, Witnessman.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: anonysamvines on October 09, 2012, 01:50
Going through ClarkCarr's depo and amongst the massive footbullets i came across this bombshell from Jeff

line 23 page 112  and again line 6 page 114 (trying to get an answer)


A recent DHR inspection claims NN GA is still representing themselves as a residential rehab

- and if i am reading it right -  possibly to another drug court

is anything known about this and i have missed it?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on October 09, 2012, 15:17
Going through ClarkCarr's depo and amongst the massive footbullets i came across this bombshell from Jeff

line 23 page 112  and again line 6 page 114 (trying to get an answer)


A recent DHR inspection claims NN GA is still representing themselves as a residential rehab

- and if i am reading it right -  possibly to another drug court

is anything known about this and i have missed it?

NN also told Tennessee drug court that NN was in patient. This is in the depo from Randy Taylor, Brad Taylor's dad.
Or is this even another instance? (It all runs together at times)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on October 09, 2012, 17:35
Going through ClarkCarr's depo and amongst the massive footbullets i came across this bombshell from Jeff

line 23 page 112  and again line 6 page 114 (trying to get an answer)


A recent DHR inspection claims NN GA is still representing themselves as a residential rehab

- and if i am reading it right -  possibly to another drug court

is anything known about this and i have missed it?

NN also told Tennessee drug court that NN was in patient. This is in the depo from Randy Taylor, Brad Taylor's dad.
Or is this even another instance? (It all runs together at times)

This was also mentioned in Mary Rieser's "Things That Shouldn't Be" also. She stated that Brad Taylor was "sentenced" to Narconon. I assume that means mandated by a court system.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 09, 2012, 18:48
I believe the statement in Clark Carr's depo (which, I am ashamed to say, I haven't finished reading yet) is in reference to the complaints discussed in this thread:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10057.0.html

prompted by some discussion in this thread:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9939.0.html

On this page, it says: "Two of the twenty eight sample clients were court ordered to go to a residential drug treatment program."

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/DCH-DS004.jpg)

Interestingly, that citation of deficiencies was reversed by DCH right before the motions hearing that took place in July.   O-\eh?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 09, 2012, 19:25
I believe the statement in Clark Carr's depo (which, I am ashamed to say, I haven't finished reading yet) is in reference to the complaints discussed in this thread:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10057.0.html

prompted by some discussion in this thread:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9939.0.html

On this page, it says: "Two of the twenty eight sample clients were court ordered to go to a residential drug treatment program."

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/DCH-DS004.jpg)

Interestingly, that citation of deficiencies was reversed by DCH right before the motions hearing that took place in July.   O-\eh?

 Thank you for reposting this. I cannot stress to our readers and those doing investigaions,just how important this document is.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on October 11, 2012, 19:46
I finally read through Clark Carr's depo and noticed he stated he was told not to bring any notes or documents regarding his testimony as NN Int rep. I wonder what the list of scientific references that support the NN program looks like.

I googled some sauna detox references and found that the xenu directory has nice rebuttal info for the PCB study from the NY rescue workers study. http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s-iads-analysis.html#time-interval
I am always amazed at all of the info, and docs at that site.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on October 11, 2012, 19:52
I finally read through Clark Carr's depo and noticed he stated he was told not to bring any notes or documents regarding his testimony as NN Int rep. I wonder what the list of scientific references that support the NN program looks like.

I googled some sauna detox references and found that the xenu directory has nice rebuttal info for the PCB study from the NY rescue workers study. http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s-iads-analysis.html#time-interval
I am always amazed at all of the info, and docs at that site.

I also looked at the Schnare (M Sheilds is a co-author) article from Med. Hypoth. 1982 that I think Clark was trying to describe. It has no info on reduction of any toxins and uses IQ test score improvement as a outcome measure. These tests are not meant to be done repeatedly because the scores tend to increase due to familiarity with the test on repeat rather than due to any kind of real IQ increase.

OOPS! I meant to hit "modify" not "quote"........Oh well.

I would love to watch an expert witness work the "scientific" studies into the ground with the crappy study designs, etc.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on October 12, 2012, 00:30
Thank you for reposting this. I cannot stress to our readers and those doing investigaions,just how important this document is.

Here's a PDF of it: http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/2012-04-30-NNGA-Inspection.pdf

I finally read through Clark Carr's depo and noticed he stated he was told not to bring any notes or documents regarding his testimony as NN Int rep. I wonder what the list of scientific references that support the NN program looks like.

Like these, on Narconon International's site: http://www.narconon.org/about-narconon/research.html

I would love to watch an expert witness work the "scientific" studies into the ground with the crappy study designs, etc.

Me too!   ;D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on October 12, 2012, 03:09
Clark Carr's depo ... I wonder what the list of scientific references that support the NN program looks like.

There is a "white paper" put out by FASE with some 200 references.
www.fasenet.org/images/vitamin_whitepaper.pdf (http://www.fasenet.org/images/vitamin_whitepaper.pdf)

Here is an earlier version of the same paper, given as a talk, that has only 26 references.
http://detoxacademy.org/pdfs/Kerr_abstract.pdf (http://detoxacademy.org/pdfs/Kerr_abstract.pdf)

The first one is at the Scientology FASE site. I haven't picked through each one of the references, but their statements are misleading. Many of the "peer reviewed" articles discuss now generally accepted ideas like the studies of how Omega 3's at reasonable dosages help with depression. No one would argue that good nutrition isn't important to recovery and well being, but this doesn't "support" massive doses of niacin or speak to its safety. Other issues, obvious at a glance, with these references is many of the publications are to journals such as "Medical Hypothesis" - a place for the-way-out-there ideas.
 Marie Cecchini Sternquist  finally got one of their papers published there after 40 years.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17045758 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17045758)
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/marie-cecchini-sternquist/5/89/b81 (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/marie-cecchini-sternquist/5/89/b81)

There is a separate thread here on this topic regarding the scientific studies. It might be helpful to address each one of these references.  @u@ooo  I'm certain there is not one study on that list that is not invalidated by author conflict of interest, poor procedures, etc.  If there were, they would hold it up and say, "Look here!"


There is an excellent Norwegian study (thanks mefree), done by an extensive literature search, that reports back no valid studies were found which support anything effective from Hubbard's method. There is a link to it here in the other thread.

Here is another study, from Norway in 2008: http://www.scribd.com/doc/20922946/Norwegian-Directorate-of-Health-Narconon-Report-2008

Quote
nice rebuttal info for the PCB study from the NY rescue workers study. http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s-iads-analysis.html#time-interval

Yes. This one is important, too, IMO.  It's all Narconon. There is yet another battle to debunk their claims that Purification Rundown should be used at places like Chernobyl for radiation sickness. These claims are SO ridiculous it makes me cry, but desperate people the world over fall for this crap.

Also note people at WWP have done a good deal of work on this too.  see for example:
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/fase-research-report-1995-human-detox-conference.104868/ (https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/fase-research-report-1995-human-detox-conference.104868/)

It would be nice to put together an updated airtight debunking of these deceptive claims, eg to demonstrate that valid studies supporting Narconon's methods do not exist. 

.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on October 12, 2012, 10:16
IAofDS even makes the 'studies' claim in their Form 990's. This from their 2010 Form 990:

Quote
Since the early 1980s, findings from studies, evaluations and pilot projects involving the program have been published in professional publications and peer-reviewed journals, and presented at scientific meetings and conferences. This work has firmly established its safety and its value in reducing symptoms associated with chemical exposure.

Of course they don't mention how they got 'shot down in flames' in the peer review journal 'snippy' mentioned above!

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on October 31, 2012, 21:09
More booming of sanctions requests today from Jeff Harris and Rebecca Franklin.

From ojs.dekalbga.org:

Quote
31-OCT-2012  PLTFS MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGAINST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL 
 
31-OCT-2012  PLTFS MOTION TO COMPEL AGAISNT NON-PARTY

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 01, 2012, 00:21
More booming of sanctions requests today from Jeff Harris and Rebecca Franklin.

From ojs.dekalbga.org:

Quote
31-OCT-2012  PLTFS MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGAINST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL 
 
31-OCT-2012  PLTFS MOTION TO COMPEL AGAISNT NON-PARTY

Awesome!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 08, 2012, 21:54
We have big news, folks!

DeKalb judge sanctions Narconon of Georgia - WSB TV (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/dekalb-judge-sanctions-narconon-georgia/nS2mB/)
Victory for family of drug treatment patient

By Jodie Fleischer
DEKALB COUNTY, Ga. —

The family of a man who died while under the care of a local drug treatment facility won a huge court victory this week.

DeKalb County State Court Judge Stacey Hydrick issued sanctions against Narconon of Georgia, finding the program's director lied under oath and hid evidence.

"There's really nothing else that a judge can do that's stronger than what the judge has done here," said attorney Jeff Harris.

Harris is representing the family of Patrick Desmond, who died in 2008 after trying heroin for the first time.

Desmond was enrolled in Narconon of Georgia for alcohol addiction, but got drunk with a housing monitor, and left with two program flunkees. Later, the Desmonds found out the Gwinnett facility is only licensed as an outpatient program.

"It breaks my heart. He wasn't cared for. I feel the whole place was just a total fake scam," Patrick's mother, Colleen Desmond, told Channel 2 investigative reporter Jodie Fleischer in September. "We were assured all along the line, this was an inpatient situation."

During our investigation, we even caught Narconon's parent organization, Narconon International, advertising the program as residential on its website. The Desmonds say the Georgia program director, Mary Rieser, lied to them.

In September, Rieser disputed that saying, "I will never knowingly accept somebody here if I know they've been ordered inpatient, because we're not."

But Judge Hydrick's ruling says in hearings, Rieser's "responses were patently false," that Narconon of Georgia "repeatedly and willfully obstructed the discovery process," and even "falsely denied the existence of clearly relevant, responsive documents and information."

"If you can't get those documents and can't get that evidence, you can't prove your case. The only way to make the punishment fit the crime is to basically deem the case as being admitted as true," said Harris.

The judge ordered Narconon of Georgia's response to the initial complaint stricken from what the jury will be able to consider. That means the facility's attorneys cannot deny that it misrepresented itself, that it operated an illegal residential facility, and that negligence led to Patrick Desmond's death.

Harris says the ruling for sanctions is so strong, lawyers often refer to it as the civil-case version of the 'death penalty.'

It doesn't bring Patrick back, but his parents say they don't want any other families misled.

"At the end of the day, they've still lost their son. But all they really wanted in this case was justice, and I think we're getting a lot closer to getting that," said Harris....

more, including video at http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/dekalb-judge-sanctions-narconon-georgia/nS2mB/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 08, 2012, 22:05
Judge imposes harsh sanctions on Norcross drug treatment facility - AJC (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/judge-imposes-harsh-sanctions-on-norcross-drug-tre/nS2fH/)

By Christian Boone
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

In a rare move, a DeKalb County state judge has withdrawn a Norcross drug treatment facility’s response to allegations in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by a former patient’s parents.

Judge Stacey K. Hydrick said in a court order Nov. 5 that Narconon of Georgia “intentionally, willfully and repeatedly provided false and misleading responses to plaintiff’s discovery requests regarding issues relevant to the resolution of this case.”

Narconon “repeatedly failed to produce, and on multiple occasions falsely denied the existence of clearly relevant, responsive documents and information,” Hydrick wrote.

As a result, the allegations against Narconon will essentially go unanswered, which will be to the suing parents’ advantage.

“This judicial order is as sharply worded rebuke of a party as one is likely to see in American courts,” said University of Georgia law professor Ron Carlson, calling the sanctions “very uncommon.”

In their suit, the family of Patrick Desmond — who died of a drug overdose four years ago while a patient at Narconon of Georgia — alleges the rehabilitation facility duped them into believing it provided in-patient care even though it lacked the proper license.

Their suit, filed in May 2010, also accuses Narconon of Georgia of lying to Florida’s drug court, which had sentenced Desmond to six months in an in-patient residential facility.

Those accusations will go uncontested during the civil trial, scheduled to begin in mid-February, unless an appeal is granted, Carlson said.

more at http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/judge-imposes-harsh-sanctions-on-norcross-drug-tre/nS2fH/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 08, 2012, 22:09
We have big news, folks!

DeKalb judge sanctions Narconon of Georgia - WSB TV (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/dekalb-judge-sanctions-narconon-georgia/nS2mB/)
Victory for family of drug treatment patient

By Jodie Fleischer
DEKALB COUNTY, Ga. —

The family of a man who died while under the care of a local drug treatment facility won a huge court victory this week.

DeKalb County State Court Judge Stacey Hydrick issued sanctions against Narconon of Georgia, finding the program's director lied under oath and hid evidence.

"There's really nothing else that a judge can do that's stronger than what the judge has done here," said attorney Jeff Harris.

Harris is representing the family of Patrick Desmond, who died in 2008 after trying heroin for the first time.

Desmond was enrolled in Narconon of Georgia for alcohol addiction, but got drunk with a housing monitor, and left with two program flunkees. Later, the Desmonds found out the Gwinnett facility is only licensed as an outpatient program.

"It breaks my heart. He wasn't cared for. I feel the whole place was just a total fake scam," Patrick's mother, Colleen Desmond, told Channel 2 investigative reporter Jodie Fleischer in September. "We were assured all along the line, this was an inpatient situation."

During our investigation, we even caught Narconon's parent organization, Narconon International, advertising the program as residential on its website. The Desmonds say the Georgia program director, Mary Rieser, lied to them.

In September, Rieser disputed that saying, "I will never knowingly accept somebody here if I know they've been ordered inpatient, because we're not."

But Judge Hydrick's ruling says in hearings, Rieser's "responses were patently false," that Narconon of Georgia "repeatedly and willfully obstructed the discovery process," and even "falsely denied the existence of clearly relevant, responsive documents and information."

"If you can't get those documents and can't get that evidence, you can't prove your case. The only way to make the punishment fit the crime is to basically deem the case as being admitted as true," said Harris.

The judge ordered Narconon of Georgia's response to the initial complaint stricken from what the jury will be able to consider. That means the facility's attorneys cannot deny that it misrepresented itself, that it operated an illegal residential facility, and that negligence led to Patrick Desmond's death.

Harris says the ruling for sanctions is so strong, lawyers often refer to it as the civil-case version of the 'death penalty.'

It doesn't bring Patrick back, but his parents say they don't want any other families misled.

"At the end of the day, they've still lost their son. But all they really wanted in this case was justice, and I think we're getting a lot closer to getting that," said Harris....

more, including video at http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/dekalb-judge-sanctions-narconon-georgia/nS2mB/
[/quote]

 YES!

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 08, 2012, 22:10
Judge imposes harsh sanctions on Norcross drug treatment facility - AJC (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/judge-imposes-harsh-sanctions-on-norcross-drug-tre/nS2fH/)

By Christian Boone
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

In a rare move, a DeKalb County state judge has withdrawn a Norcross drug treatment facility’s response to allegations in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by a former patient’s parents.

Judge Stacey K. Hydrick said in a court order Nov. 5 that Narconon of Georgia “intentionally, willfully and repeatedly provided false and misleading responses to plaintiff’s discovery requests regarding issues relevant to the resolution of this case.”

Narconon “repeatedly failed to produce, and on multiple occasions falsely denied the existence of clearly relevant, responsive documents and information,” Hydrick wrote.

As a result, the allegations against Narconon will essentially go unanswered, which will be to the suing parents’ advantage.

“This judicial order is as sharply worded rebuke of a party as one is likely to see in American courts,” said University of Georgia law professor Ron Carlson, calling the sanctions “very uncommon.”

In their suit, the family of Patrick Desmond — who died of a drug overdose four years ago while a patient at Narconon of Georgia — alleges the rehabilitation facility duped them into believing it provided in-patient care even though it lacked the proper license.

Their suit, filed in May 2010, also accuses Narconon of Georgia of lying to Florida’s drug court, which had sentenced Desmond to six months in an in-patient residential facility.

Those accusations will go uncontested during the civil trial, scheduled to begin in mid-February, unless an appeal is granted, Carlson said.

more at http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/judge-imposes-harsh-sanctions-on-norcross-drug-tre/nS2fH/

Justice!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 08, 2012, 22:46
DeKalb judge strikes answer by Scientology-linked rehab - Daily Report
Sanction comes in suit over patient who died of heroin overdose
 (http://www.dailyreportonline.com/PubArticleDRO.jsp?id=1202577801690&DeKalb_judge_strikes_answer_by_Scientologylinked_rehab&slreturn=20121008224251)
By Mark Niesse

A DeKalb County judge has struck the answer of a Church of Scientology-linked drug rehab program that's being sued for the heroin overdose death of a man while he was in treatment.

State Court Judge Stacey Hydrick on Monday issued the heavy sanction on Narconon of Georgia, saying the defendant "provided false, misleading written discovery responses and deposition testimony" in response to requests for evidence about claims that the rehab center ran an unsafe and unlicensed facility.

The punishment means that allegations contained in the complaint will be deemed to be true when the case goes to trial in February, said plaintiffs attorney Jeffrey Harris.

Harris said Narconon's discovery abuse was "so pervasive and so bad."

"I'm confident there remain documents out there that we still haven't gotten," said Harris, of Harris Penn Lowry Delcampo. "Some of them I know are missing because the documents we have talk about them. The documents we do have make it clear that there are other documents that have not been produced."

Hydrick's order noted that she didn't find fault with the conduct of Narconon of Georgia's lawyers, Stevan Miller and Barbara Marschalk of Drew Eckl & Farnham. Instead, the judge blamed their client.


more (3 pages) at Daily Report (http://www.dailyreportonline.com/PubArticleDRO.jsp?id=1202577801690&DeKalb_judge_strikes_answer_by_Scientologylinked_rehab&slreturn=20121008224251)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 09, 2012, 08:32
Narconon punished, stripped of defense in civil case - WSB radio (http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/narconon-punished-stripped-defense-civil-case/nS2rW/)
by Pete Combs

....“There were documents that we asked for in discovery and they… said ‘We don’t have any such documents,’” said the Desmonds’ attorney, Jeff Harris. “We determined later that they do. There clearly were documents that were responsive to the written discovery requests, which you have to respond to under oath, that had never been produced before. We had to find out about them other ways.”

Judge Stacey Hydrick also concluded that Narconon Executive Director Mary Rieser lied in as many as ten depositions when she “repeatedly failed to produce, and on multiple occasions falsely denied the existence of clearly relevant, responsive documents and information.”

Finally, Hydrick concluded that, when she asked Rieser on the stand about the omissions and false declarations, Narconon’s leader was simply not credible in her responses. In other words, she failed to tell the truth.

For all of that, Narconon of Georgia and Mary Rieser will now suffer what civil attorneys commonly call the “death penalty.” They will not be able to respond to the allegations filed by Patrick Desmond’s family alleging Narconon lied to them and the Brevard County drug court, pretended to be an inpatient facility, falsified records, provided negligent care and ultimately caused Patrick Desmond’s deadly overdose.

“This judicial order is as sharply worded a rebuke of a party as one is likely to see in an American court,” said WSB legal expert Ron Carlson. While not unheard of, he called the sanctions very uncommon.

Narconon’s attorneys have a very limited ability to appeal the ruling. Attorneys Barbara Marschalk and Steve Miller said they will ask Judge Hydrick to permit them to pause the Desmond trial so that their appeal can be heard in a higher court. Carlson said that is highly unlikely.

“This is very damaging to the defense,” Carlson noted. “It means the plaintiffs’ case will be heard by the jury uncontested.”

more at http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/narconon-punished-stripped-defense-civil-case/nS2rW/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: wynot on November 09, 2012, 09:15
I count six iterations of the sanctions story above.

And every one is intensely beautiful.

What will be more beautiful is when the 'Cease and Desist doing business' orders are served on NNGA and NNINT! And Mary Reiser is convicted in Federal court for the wire fraud she so clearly committed against the Florida drug court. And Scientology offers the Desmonds a billion dollars, and are turned down! Because this gives me hope, to see them lose so completely.

Who's at cause? I know who... ;)

'til later;
wynot
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on November 09, 2012, 10:02
 
                      :-OP|      T_:O-T
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 09, 2012, 10:10
 Let us NOT forget the NarCONon Scientology board of directors whom give aid and support to this fraudulent entity.  Let us NOT forget how these ill gotten gains by this entity were spent. A hard look into a certain piece of property within the city of Sandy Springs would be an excellent place to start!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on November 09, 2012, 10:13
So, what happens next? 

Narconon's plight goes from very bad to much, much worse. That is what.

Grab the Popcorn!  It should be one hell of a fun show to watch!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 09, 2012, 10:20
So, what happens next? 

 Justice
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on November 09, 2012, 11:09
Quote
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So, what happens next? 

Justice

Yes, we all hope Justice will be done.

Bear in mind, however, that Justice in the world of wrongful death litigation is measured almost exclusively by the yardstick of compensatory damages actually recovered. 

The reason why trial lawyers and greiving families pursue these cases for years and at great costs - and thereby quite often hugely enhance public safety and substantially remediate very serious societal problems - is that there are economic incentives to do so.

At the end of day, if Scientology has not paid out millions of dollars, the Desmond family will not have received Justice and their resort to the judicial process will not have been successful.  And because Scientology and its front group Narconon are all about profit and wealth, they will have won.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on November 09, 2012, 11:40

    Jeff Harris points out what lies ahead:

Quote
        At the end of the day, they've still lost their son. But all they really wanted in this case was justice, and I think we're getting a lot closer to getting that," said Harris.

        He said he will still introduce evidence to prove the level of damages he wants to the jury to award. He will also have to prove the claims made in a second complaint, which alleges racketeering, or a pattern of activity by Narconon of Georgia for financial gain.

        Narconon of Georgia could still appeal the judge's ruling for sanctions before the trial in February, or after the verdict.

    and then there is the DCH who now really need to cover their ...

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Fleischer's investigation also exposed how state inspectors had failed to crack down on the program for more than a decade.

        The Department of Community Health has since opened a new investigation to review all of the evidence from the court case, including this new finding by the judge.

    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/dekalb-judge-sanctions-narconon-georgia/nS2mB/ (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/dekalb-judge-sanctions-narconon-georgia/nS2mB/)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on November 09, 2012, 11:41

I love that this sanction was posted on October --> 31 <-- which is 13 backwards.    ^^or__

Scilons have that thing for the number 13. Ever notice how many Narconons file taxes or business licenses on the 13th of the month. It's related to LRH's days with Aleister Crowley pal Jack Parsons, I think.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on November 09, 2012, 12:16
March 13th was Hubbard's birthday, too.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Watcher on November 09, 2012, 12:18
 8:O8P|()
Gotta love this Judge!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on November 09, 2012, 12:22
Lots of people weighing in on Tony Ortega's blog about this today - http://ortegaunderground.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/shocker-court-punishes-scientology-for-acting-like-scientology/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on November 09, 2012, 12:29
March 13th was Hubbard's birthday, too.

Want  LIKE  buttons.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on November 09, 2012, 13:40

I love that this sanction was posted on October --> 31 <-- which is 13 backwards.   

I have to correct this, but it's even better - the order was issued on November 5; Guy Fawkes Day.   ;D

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on November 09, 2012, 14:00
Sorry - yes, but then it's a double whammy in terms of the woo:

More booming of sanctions requests today from Jeff Harris and Rebecca Franklin.

From ojs.dekalbga.org:

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31-OCT-2012  PLTFS MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGAINST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL 
 
31-OCT-2012  PLTFS MOTION TO COMPEL AGAISNT NON-PARTY
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 09, 2012, 21:52
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narconon

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In a 2012 lawsuit concerning the death of Patrick Desmond at Narconon Georgia, expert witness Dr. Louis A. Casal was cross-examined by plaintiff’s attorney Jeff Harris:[56]
Harris: And the sauna program, what Narconon contends is that in -- it in fact detoxifies your body. True?

Casal: True.

Harris: But there's no scientific basis that you can point me to to support that contention, is there, sir?

Casal: You're correct.

Harris: So when Narconon states that the sauna program detoxifies its students, you're not aware, as a medical doctor, of any scientific basis for that contention?

Casal: I agree.

Harris: The vitamin regimen. You're familiar with the vitamin regimen?

Casal: Yes, sir.

Harris: What -- do you have an opinion about whether or not the vitamin regimen is effective at treating addiction?

Casal: I believe that it has very likely no bearing whatsoever on the treatment of addiction.


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Patrick Desmond, Norcross, Georgia, US (2008)
Patrick W. "Ricko" Desmond, a former member of the US Marine Corps, died at Narconon Georgia on 11 June 2008, aged 28, from a heroin overdose.[92]
His family are alleging wrongful death and have filed a lawsuit against Narconon, claiming that Narconon's actions led to his death, and that Narconon falsely claimed to be a licensed inpatient programme.[92][93][94]
Atlanta's Channel 2 News said that:
The evidence includes documents with Narconon's letterhead with the word "outpatient" when reporting Patrick's death to state investigators, but letterhead on letters sent to Florida courts omitted the word "outpatient".
Desmond's family paid Narconon $30,000 for his treatment. "There's things that people do to themselves," Narconon Georgia director Mary Rieser commented to a reporter. "Of course it's sad".[92][95]
[edit]
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on November 10, 2012, 08:55
From OJS.DekalbGa.Org re 10A28641:

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LETTER  07-NOV-2012  FROM ATTY JEFFREY HARRIS TO JUDGE HYDRICK (FAX) 

ORDER FILED  06-NOV-2012  PLTF'S MOTION FOR A COMMISSION TO TAKE AN OUT OF STATE DEPOSITION - GRANTED

ORDER FILED  05-NOV-2012 PLTF'S MOTION FOR SANCTIONS - GRANTED, IT HEREBY IS ORDERED THAT DEFT NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC.'S ANSWER TO PLTF'S FIRST COMPLAINT IN THIS CASE HEREBY IS STRICKEN

Great Stuff.  The best analogy I can come up for the efforts of Harris and team are it is like Sherman and the Union Army marching to the sea, leaving devastation, carnage and ruin of Narconon in their wake.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 10, 2012, 22:06

ORDER FILED  05-NOV-2012 PLTF'S MOTION FOR SANCTIONS - GRANTED, IT HEREBY IS ORDERED THAT DEFT NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC.'S ANSWER TO PLTF'S FIRST COMPLAINT IN THIS CASE HEREBY IS STRICKEN.

Truly amazing!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on November 13, 2012, 19:08
Quote
Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date      13-NOV-2012
Associated Party      None
Text      
     DEFT'S REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF IMMEDIATE REVIEW - DENIED/TYD

http://www.gaappeals.us/rules2/rules.php?name=APPLICATION%20FOR%20INTERLOCUTORY%20APPEAL
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IX. APPLICATION FOR INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL
Rule 30. Interlocutory Applications.

(a) An application for leave to appeal an interlocutory order will be granted only when it appears from the documents submitted that:

    The issue to be decided appears to be dispositive of the case; or

    The order appears erroneous and will probably cause a substantial error at trial or will adversely affect the rights of the appealing party until entry of final judgment in which case the appeal will be expedited; or

    The establishment of precedent is desirable.

(b) Applications for interlocutory appeal shall contain a jurisdictional statement and have attached a stamped "filed" copy of the trial court's order to be appealed and a stamped "filed" copy of the certificate of immediate review. The trial court's order and certificate of immediate review must contain the signature of the trial court judge. Neither conformed signatures nor stamped signatures shall be permitted.

I guess that's that!

Edit: and "Rule amended November 1st, 2012."  LOL!  More at the link above.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on November 13, 2012, 19:17
This ^^^ means Judge Tracey refused to grant NN et al. an evenue of Appeal???

If YES, this ^^^ just keeps widening my smiles :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 13, 2012, 19:20
This ^^^ means Judge Tracey refused to grant NN et al. an evenue of Appeal???

If YES, this ^^^ just keeps widening my smiles :)

I believe so!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 13, 2012, 19:43
This is terrific news!!   :)  Thanks for posting it!!!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on November 13, 2012, 19:50
The way I understand it (that is, just barely, but perhaps someone else here understands it better than me) is that the judge won't let them interrupt the case in the middle to appeal, but they still have the right of appeal after the case is over.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on November 13, 2012, 19:52
This ^^^ means Judge Tracey refused to grant NN et al. an evenue of Appeal???

Stacey.  Judge Stacey Hydrick.  A true hero.

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If YES, this ^^^ just keeps widening my smiles :)

Mine too!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 13, 2012, 20:11
Glad you corrected that :) I thought another judge was petitioned, lol
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 13, 2012, 22:04
:-(8/  Hi to Barbara Marschalk (Narconon's attorney of Drew Eckl & Farnham)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 13, 2012, 22:06
:-(8/  Hi to Barbara Marschalk (Narconon's attorney of Drew Eckl & Farnham)

You're so bad!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 13, 2012, 22:08
:-(8/  Hi to Barbara Marschalk (Narconon's attorney of Drew Eckl & Farnham)

You're so bad!

It's not as bad compared to what I posted here:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?29260-Narconon-Georgia-Judge-Imposes-Harsh-Sanctions&p=747289&viewfull=1#post747289

\--O--/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on November 14, 2012, 06:20
I think ethercat's got it. I'd love to see them trying to appeal having a bunch of lies admitted on appeal after the case is done. :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on November 14, 2012, 13:56
IMO, I think everyone on Tipping Point has done, and doing an AWESOME job of updating Narconon News as it happens (better than any CNN reporter could do), and ya'-all' should be very proud of yourselves in working towards the safety and protection of desperate, suffering victims.

It is incredibly AMAZING how so many people all over the internet work towards this ^^^ goal of awareness with no Leader, no real organization - - just because we care.

“Few will have the greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a small portion of events. It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.”
― Robert F. Kennedy

 ||O||

 *S*(*oo
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on November 14, 2012, 14:36
With what's going on these days regarding law suits, and subsequent negative publicity, against NN these days, I'm a little surprised the "1-800-XXX-XXXX" class action law sharks you see all over TV haven't jumped all over narCONon yet.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on November 14, 2012, 14:51
With what's going on these days regarding law suits, and subsequent negative publicity, against NN these days, I'm a little surprised the "1-800-XXX-XXXX" class action law sharks you see all over TV haven't jumped all over narCONon yet.

Yes, me too. There are issues of 'Statute of limitations', but in many cases, it is not from the time a Victim "leaves" Narconon, but when the "Psycological" or "Physical" harm is diagnosed or potential therein. This could be in the form of PTSD or blood tests indication liver damage, high liver enzyme counts. The difficulty in the physical cases, is proving it is related to Narconon. Very complex, but attainable. The other issue is, many (as high as 90%), have relapsed soon after leaving Narconon and finding them is difficult, proving harm is not related to relapse; and also them being willing to participate in a Class Action? However, it most probably, would be much easier to move forward with a Class Action by the Parents of addicts or "Sponsors" who were duped, conned etc, through online fraud and misrepresentation. The latter is the direction I would go if I were a Lawyer - - and I thak God I'm not :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 14, 2012, 15:46
IMO, I think everyone on Tipping Point has done, and doing an AWESOME job of updating Narconon News as it happens (better than any CNN reporter could do), and ya'-all' should be very proud of yourselves in working towards the safety and protection of desperate, suffering victims.

It is incredibly AMAZING how so many people all over the internet work towards this ^^^ goal of awareness with no Leader, no real organization - - just because we care.

“Few will have the greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a small portion of events. It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.”
― Robert F. Kennedy

 ||O||

 *S*(*oo

Thanks! We admire your efforts too :-)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on November 14, 2012, 21:28
||O||

 *S*(*oo

Wow, thank you David!  That is so nice of you to say.   :OV--*
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on November 15, 2012, 22:55
The way I understand it (that is, just barely, but perhaps someone else here understands it better than me) is that the judge won't let them interrupt the case in the middle to appeal, but they still have the right of appeal after the case is over.

Yes, after the trial and entry of a final judgment, the losing parties have a right to pursue a direct appeal to the GA Court of Appeals. 

Judge Stacy Hydrick declined to sign off on a certificate for immediate review, which was a prequiste for NNGA then being able to file a request for interlocutory appeal.  The Court of Appeals would have had discretionary authority to either allow or decline the request for interlocutory appeal, but Judge Hydrick's saying No to the certificate for immediate review ended the matter.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Intelligence on November 15, 2012, 23:09
The way I understand it (that is, just barely, but perhaps someone else here understands it better than me) is that the judge won't let them interrupt the case in the middle to appeal, but they still have the right of appeal after the case is over.

Yes, after the trial and entry of a final judgment, the losing parties have a right to pursue a direct appeal to the GA Court of Appeals. 

Judge Stacy Hydrick declined to sign off on a certificate for immediate review, which was a prequiste for NNGA then being able to file a request for interlocutory appeal.  The Court of Appeals would have had discretionary authority to either allow or decline the request for interlocutory appeal, but Judge Hydrick's saying No to the certificate for immediate review ended the matter.

This ^^^ is so much VERY GOOD NEWS :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on November 15, 2012, 23:58
 8:O8P|()  says no no no!

Thank you, Witnessman. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on November 16, 2012, 11:46
With what's going on these days regarding law suits, and subsequent negative publicity, against NN these days, I'm a little surprised the "1-800-XXX-XXXX" class action law sharks you see all over TV haven't jumped all over narCONon yet.
It is still tough to fight NN because they lie and use the legal system to cost plaintiffs as much time and money as possible. I think that will change somewhat with all of the proof of these antics becoming so readily available.

I totally love this site because in the past, if a person (such as myself) had a some information or had found something of interest on-line, they did not have good places to share with those who might benefit from that information. Because of this site information can be gathered and stored so that it is accessible to those who can make good use of the information and are fighting the con.

THANK YOU to those who keep this site running!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 16, 2012, 12:37
^^^^
Thanks for participating here!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on November 16, 2012, 23:20
I totally love this site because in the past, if a person (such as myself) had a some information or had found something of interest on-line, they did not have good places to share with those who might benefit from that information. Because of this site information can be gathered and stored so that it is accessible to those who can make good use of the information and are fighting the con.

THANK YOU to those who keep this site running!

Oh, wow, that's one of the nicest things anyone has ever said about us!  Thank you!  But really, it's everyone who participates who make the site what it is.  I'm really thankful to have the members we do, and glad to have the kind of focused conversations we have here. 

 :OV--*
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 26, 2012, 10:08
 
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Docket Text Details

Case ID     10A28641
Description     ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date     15-NOV-2012
Associated Party     None
Text     
    COUNSEL FOR THE PARTIES IN THIS CASE APPEAR FOR A HEARING ON PLTF'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 4TH, 2013 AT 1:00 P.M. - TYD

 Nice way to start the new year! 8-^*
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Sunshine on November 26, 2012, 19:42
Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 27, 2012, 09:23
Quote
Quote

    Docket Text Details

    Case ID     10A28641
    Description     ORDER FILED
    Docket Filing Date     15-NOV-2012
    Associated Party     None
    Text     
        COUNSEL FOR THE PARTIES IN THIS CASE APPEAR FOR A HEARING ON PLTF'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 4TH, 2013 AT 1:00 P.M. - TYD

I though the motion would come sooner  :(   

Narconon Int must be dragging this out.  ::)

Desperate measures for a desperate organization  ;D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on November 28, 2012, 16:59
They are.  Its policy.  Soon Helena will throw a number out for settlement.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on November 28, 2012, 19:01
I would assume so, especially since Narconon Int was caught red-handed in hiding evidence, too, as the documents uncovered from Mary clearly showed NN Int on the routing.  I don't know if they could cough up 30 mil without the help of the church.

I don't think they can jump high enough to settle this one, frankly, and it will go to trial in just a few short months and then all of the evidence presented will be public record, and a precedent will be set for all future suits against Narconon centers. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on November 28, 2012, 23:47
Soon Helena will throw a number out for settlement.

Maybe so, but Luke might have it figured just exactly right. 

Either way, whatever play Helena and her masters intend to make, they best do it quick.  The clock is running.  Tick Tock.  Its now only 73 days until the start of the Trial, there is no calvary coming to the rescue, and this new Sanctions Motion may cause yet another boom hammer fall.

Regardless, with all the depositions and deep from the bowels of Scientology docs already in the record (and who knows, maybe there could be more doc dumping between now and whatever happens next), it seems the case has pretty obviously established the roadmap for future cases against Narconon centers. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Albion on November 29, 2012, 04:59
I've just opened a new section at Infinite Complacency on
Narconon. Clearly, I have a lot of catching up to do.

Not sure if there's a main Narconon thread so just posting
it here for the moment, but if you could spread the word,
much appreciated.

Narconon is a rehabilitation programme for addicts run
on a system devised by Scientology's founder, L. Ron Hubbard.
Critics say it is based on junk science and potentially lethal.


http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/11/narconon-introduction.html

Best,

Jonny
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on November 29, 2012, 07:17
Jonny: 

Absolutely excellent.  Thanks for all you do.

Please note that in the Desmond case, Scientology's direct control over Narconon of Georgia has been established beyond any doubt.  Check out, for example, the mad crazy "Things That Shouldn't Be" report authored by operator/executive director Mary Rieser (Link to PDF download is here: http://www.wsbradio.com/documents/2012/oct/02/things-shouldnt-be/) recounting how the local not so ideal org was all up in her business and the post-death day 1, so-called OSA report transmitted straight to the Department of Black Ops (http://www.wsbradio.com/documents/2012/oct/02/patrick-desmond-osa-report/) although a legally required report was never made to the State of GA licensing agency.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 29, 2012, 07:22
^^^^
What she said. You'll find plenty of source material here, Jonny. ||||9000||||



Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Albion on November 29, 2012, 07:30
^^^^
What she said. You'll find plenty of source material here, Jonny. ||||9000||||

Many thanks to you both: I've already started looking through the papers in the
Desmond case and have to keep lifting my jaw off the floor. I eventually realized
though, that I would have to write at least one introductory piece before diving
into individual cases. And the case write-ups will take time, given the volume of
papers.  But at least I'm off the mark now.
jj
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 29, 2012, 22:13
Recently posted on WWP by Watch out M.R.:
Quote
    Get ready everybody.....it is about to hit the fan. Big surprise, Narcanon of Georgia has engaged in insurance fraud. Attorneys have filed with absolute proof, we will nail them on each and every violation. M.R....who doesn't understand medical terminology now? Honey...you messed with the wrong Mama.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-ga-judge-rules-against-narconon-with-most-severe-sanctions.106354/page-6
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on November 30, 2012, 03:48
If there is hard proof of insurance fraud by NN GA, one can only hope criminal charges will not be far behind.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 30, 2012, 09:01
Recently posted on WWP by Watch out M.R.:
Quote
    Get ready everybody.....it is about to hit the fan. Big surprise, Narcanon of Georgia has engaged in insurance fraud. Attorneys have filed with absolute proof, we will nail them on each and every violation. M.R....who doesn't understand medical terminology now? Honey...you messed with the wrong Mama.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-ga-judge-rules-against-narconon-with-most-severe-sanctions.106354/page-6

Anyone know if there is documentation to go with this and is this a lawsuit or a complaint either filed with the state DCH or Ralph T. Hudgens
Commissioner

http://www.oci.ga.gov/

http://www.oci.ga.gov/Fraud/Home.aspx
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 30, 2012, 09:22
Recently posted on WWP by Watch out M.R.:
Quote
    Get ready everybody.....it is about to hit the fan. Big surprise, Narcanon of Georgia has engaged in insurance fraud. Attorneys have filed with absolute proof, we will nail them on each and every violation. M.R....who doesn't understand medical terminology now? Honey...you messed with the wrong Mama.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-ga-judge-rules-against-narconon-with-most-severe-sanctions.106354/page-6

Anyone know if there is documentation to go with this and is this a lawsuit or a complaint either filed with the state DCH or Ralph T. Hudgens
Commissioner

http://www.oci.ga.gov/

http://www.oci.ga.gov/Fraud/Home.aspx

I don't know about the documentation. Despite their lack of action, I think it is important to keep a paper trail of incidents with the Georgia Department of Community Health, Division of Healthcare Facility Regulation.

Complaints can be filed online at the following site:
https://services.georgia.gov/dhr/reportfiling/searchFacility.do?action=constituentComplaint
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 30, 2012, 09:28
Recently posted on WWP by Watch out M.R.:
Quote
    Get ready everybody.....it is about to hit the fan. Big surprise, Narcanon of Georgia has engaged in insurance fraud. Attorneys have filed with absolute proof, we will nail them on each and every violation. M.R....who doesn't understand medical terminology now? Honey...you messed with the wrong Mama.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-ga-judge-rules-against-narconon-with-most-severe-sanctions.106354/page-6

Anyone know if there is documentation to go with this and is this a lawsuit or a complaint either filed with the state DCH or Ralph T. Hudgens
Commissioner

http://www.oci.ga.gov/

http://www.oci.ga.gov/Fraud/Home.aspx

I don't know about the documentation. Despite their lack of action, I think it is important to keep a paper trail of incidents with the Georgia Department of Community Health, Division of Healthcare Facility Regulation.

Complaints can be filed online at the following site:
https://services.georgia.gov/dhr/reportfiling/searchFacility.do?action=constituentComplaint

 I totally agree with you in regard to generating documentation, BUT if this is in fact an insurance fraud matter I,d go to the states insurance commissioner.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 30, 2012, 09:33
Quote
I totally agree with you in regard to generating documentation, BUT if this is in fact an insurance fraud matter I,d go to the states insurance commissioner.

True, but a Narconon victim was in the same thread on WWP. We are in agreement that reporting needs to happen to all of the appropriate agencies.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 30, 2012, 12:57
Recent "Grad", Yesterday at 6:13 PM on WWP
Quote
   
    Just completed this program, which I am ashamed to admit means I used more while in treatment at this Norcross facility than ever back home. My parents also feel they were ripped off, their insurance paid a boatload after they paid the full price. My parents would never admit they were duped, kudos to the family or families who are bold enough to challenge Mary R.

    I have to live each and everyday with what I put them through AND cost them. Someone should notify the Desmond's attorney about this.
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-ga-judge-rules-against-narconon-with-most-severe-sanctions.106354/page-6#post-2230672

I sent the info along.... come join us here, Recent "Grad"
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 30, 2012, 13:03
I invited Recent "Grad" to join us here, perhaps do the survey.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 30, 2012, 13:39
   
Quote
Watch out M.R. said: ↑

    Get ready everybody.....it is about to hit the fan. Big surprise, Narcanon of Georgia has engaged in insurance fraud. Attorneys have filed with absolute proof, we will nail them on each and every violation. M.R....who doesn't understand medical terminology now? Honey...you messed with the wrong Mama.

Dear Watch out M.R.,

    Your post is very important. Thank you for alerting us about your particular situation.

    Without going into details here, I must tell you that your information is important and needed.

    Please have your attorney contact the Desmond attorney, Jeff Harris of HARRIS PENN LOWRY DELCAMPO, LLP either at their Atlanta offfice 404.961.7650 or by email. jeff @ hpllegal . com (remove spaces) .

    If you prefer, you can contact me at xscientologist at gmail . com

    You can visit at Reaching For The Tipping Point forum
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg22048.html#msg22048

    Thank you.

    Mary McConnell
    Volunteer advocate for victims of Narconon
    http://reaching4.info
    http://www.scribd.com/AnonyMary/Collections - See Narconon folders

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-ga-judge-rules-against-narconon-with-most-severe-sanctions.106354/page-6#post-2231031
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 30, 2012, 15:16
Anyone who ever gave their insurance information to any Narconon or related program intake person ( whether they accepted it or whether the insurance paid at the time or not) needs to go back and check with their insurance company to see if any unauthorized claims were ever submitted and any payments were ever made to Narconon on the patient's behalf. 

You can ask for a print out if anything comes up but do insist they look back as far as the first day you provided the information to Narconon and proceed forward to present time to make sure nothing is missed.

Most of the programs do not accept insurance but some regs will say they will check for you. Some have outright lied, pretending claim numbers etc.

So check with your insurance company. PM me or ethercat if something comes up.  Thank you.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on November 30, 2012, 16:21
Anyone who ever gave their insurance information to any Narconon or related program intake person ( whether they accepted it or whether the insurance paid at the time or not) needs to go back and check with their insurance company to see if any unauthorized claims were ever submitted and any payments were ever made to Narconon on the patient's behalf. 

You can ask for a print out if anything comes up but do insist they look back as far as the first day you provided the information to Narconon and proceed forward to present time to make sure nothing is missed.

Most of the programs tell clients they do not accept insurance but some regs will say they will check for you. Some have outright lied, pretending claim numbers etc.

So check with your insurance company. PM me or ethercat if something comes up.  Thank you.

Thanks, Mary. This is very important. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on December 03, 2012, 17:39
I just got word from a very reliable source that Mary Rieser has been at Flag in Clearwater for several weeks and no sign of her immediate return.  I'm assuming she is getting sec-checked within and inch of her life and to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars at her expense and also getting her Committee of Evidence.  She was summoned there after the WSB series ran, I believe prior to the protest and the sanctions being announced.

She may have her license stripped from her for being caught lying publicly (apparently they only think its bad if you get caught) and bankrupting NN GA - because the church, ABLE and Narconon all need a scapegoat and she's it for this tragedy.  It enables the higher organizations to not have to be responsible to pin it all on her.  I'd be very surprised if NN GA as it is still exists in six months, and I bet they try to do a new corporation/ restructuring with a different executive director and board of directors.  If May was smart (which she is not), then she should run now and tell all she can before they completely waste her like a snotty tissue.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on December 03, 2012, 18:08
Here's hoping she comes out of the Fort Harrison alive.
(I'm not joking.)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on December 03, 2012, 18:13
I have mixed feelings about this. I'd rather see Mary face justice in the courtroom, more than Davey's justice.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on December 03, 2012, 18:27
I just got word from a very reliable source that Mary Rieser has been at Flag in Clearwater for several weeks and no sign of her immediate return.  I'm assuming she is getting sec-checked within and inch of her life ...

Lucas:  Do you happen to have any intel or good ideas about whether Rena Weinberg is alive, where she is, or why she was disappeared?  Thanks!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on December 03, 2012, 18:29
I have mixed feelings about this. I'd rather see Mary face justice in the courtroom, rather than Davey's justice.

Oh, I think she'll still get the courtroom justice, if she survives Flag.  She is, after all, still the one who was executive director when Patrick died, and when the case was filed.

I'm with snippy.  I hope she will be ok.  I may not like her much, and I hate what she's done and said, but she really needs to smarten up and start telling the truth.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on December 03, 2012, 20:33
Lucas:  Do you happen to have any intel or good ideas about whether Rena Weinberg is alive, where she is, or why she was disappeared?  Thanks!

I don't as of yet, but I wish I did.  Her disappearance was a big factor for my continuing to search for answers.  The last I have is that she was still at Int Base in Hemet, CA, as was mentioned by Tony Ortega this summer.  I'd certainly like to talk to her.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on December 03, 2012, 22:45
I just got word from a very reliable source that Mary Rieser has been at Flag in Clearwater for several weeks and no sign of her immediate return.  I'm assuming she is getting sec-checked within and inch of her life and to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars at her expense and also getting her Committee of Evidence.  She was summoned there after the WSB series ran, I believe prior to the protest and the sanctions being announced.

She may have her license stripped from her for being caught lying publicly (apparently they only think its bad if you get caught) and bankrupting NN GA - because the church, ABLE and Narconon all need a scapegoat and she's it for this tragedy.  It enables the higher organizations to not have to be responsible to pin it all on her.  I'd be very surprised if NN GA as it is still exists in six months, and I bet they try to do a new corporation/ restructuring with a different executive director and board of directors.  If Mary was smart (which she is not), then she should run now and tell all she can before they completely waste her like a snotty tissue.

 Wow! Where would she get the money for all the sec-checking? For that matter how does anyone handle having their brain messed with via said actions? After what happens to her in Clearwater, how on earth will she be able to act or react like a normal individual when put on the stand during trial? We have already read how she acted within the depositions, I cannot fathom what her next appearance will be like. CL, in your opinion will the N of G board of directors be getting sec-checked also? I mean they had to know what was going on @ N of G that has led us to this point in time. They too lied.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on December 03, 2012, 22:48
Here's hoping the Desmond's attorneys don't lose sight of the fact NN GA is in fact controlled by NN Int and ABLE. And according to ABLE's 990 they're sitting on $5 million+ in CD's.

If criminal charges are filed regarding the reported insurance fraud I wonder if MR will return to GA, or will she suddenly find herself needed at an overseas narCONon??



Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: wynot on December 04, 2012, 08:48
Here's hoping the Desmond's attorneys don't lose sight of the fact NN GA is in fact controlled by NN Int and ABLE. And according to ABLE's 990 they're sitting on $5 million+ in CD's. ...

I believe the hearing for sanctions against NN INT is scheduled for tomorrow, so it seems a safe bet they will not be forgotten! :-OP|

'til later;
wynot
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on December 04, 2012, 13:00
wynot,
I think that hearing is next month:
Docket Text Details

Case ID     10A28641
Description     ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date     15-NOV-2012
Associated Party     None
Text     
    COUNSEL FOR THE PARTIES IN THIS CASE APPEAR FOR A HEARING ON PLTF'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 4TH, 2013 AT 1:00 P.M. - TYD
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on December 08, 2012, 10:04
There's been quite a bit of activity on the Desmond v NN GA, NN INT case docket recently, including the addition of new lawyers for NN INT:

Case ID: 10A28641


NOTICE OF APPEARANCE
    06-DEC-2012     OF ATTY JAY D BENNETT, ATTY WIILLIAM R MITCHELSON JR & ATTY DANIEL F DIFFLEY AS COUNSELS FOR DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL

MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON PLEADNG     06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNTAIONAL'S MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON ALL CLAIMS& MOTION TO DISMISS FOR LACK OF PERSONAL JURISDICTION

BRIEF IN SUPPORT     06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S BRIEF IN SUPPORT OFITS MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON ALL CLAIMS & MOTION TO DISMISS FORLACK OF PERSONAL JURISDICTION

STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS
    06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS AS TO WHICH THERE IS NO GENUINE ISSUE TO BE TRIED

STMNT OF THEORY OF RECOVERY     06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S STATEMENT OF THEORIES OF PLTFS NON-RECOVERY

AFFIDAVIT     06-DEC-2012     OF MARIA E DELGADO-WEBB    

AFFIDAVIT
    06-DEC-2012     OF CLARK CARR    

REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT
    06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S REQT FOR ORAL ARGUMENT    

BRIEF IN OPPOSITION     05-DEC-2012     NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S BRIEF IN OPPOSITION TO PLTFS MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS

MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON PLEADNG     04-DEC-2012     NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION FOR JUDGMNT ON THE PLEADINGS, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT OR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT

MEMORANDUM     04-DEC-2012        NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADING, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT OR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT

STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS     04-DEC-2012     NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS AS TO WHICH THERE IS NO GENUINE ISSUE TO BE TRIED


REQUEST     04-DEC-2012     TO DEF NNGA'S REQTS FOR ADMISSIONS TO PLTFS, DEPOSITION OF ALLISON RIEPE, DEPOSITION OF BRADLEY TAYLOR AND DEPOSITION OF B O TAKEN OCT 21,2011

STMNT OF THEORY OF RECOVERY     04-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S STATEMENT OF THEORIES OF RECOVERY    

REQUEST     04-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S REQT FOR ORAL HEARING

http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org/servlet/page?_pageid=54,301&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: wynot on December 08, 2012, 10:24
wynot,
I think that hearing is next month:
Docket Text Details

Case ID     10A28641
Description     ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date     15-NOV-2012
Associated Party     None
Text     
    COUNSEL FOR THE PARTIES IN THIS CASE APPEAR FOR A HEARING ON PLTF'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 4TH, 2013 AT 1:00 P.M. - TYD

Oops; I wonder how I got that far off the timeline; must be those damned bodythetans! More Auditine(TM), please!

'til later;
wynot
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: wynot on December 08, 2012, 10:28
It appears that NN Ga and Int are desperate to avoid a jury trial, where their crimes are much harder to hide from the world. _[:o

'til next time;
wynot
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Albion on December 14, 2012, 04:56
Another post up on Narconon at Infinite Complacency. Parking it here, as I'm
not quite sure where to put it on the site. Feel free to tow it away to somewhere
more appropriate.

http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/12/narconon-is-casualty-contact.html (http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/12/narconon-is-casualty-contact.html)

Narconon is a variation on “casualty contact”, a recruitment
policy Hubbard developed for Scientology in the 1950s, as
internal documents make clear.


Still working on the background before trying to tackle individual cases.

Jonny J.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: loriisbored on December 14, 2012, 06:31
"Go to Narconon. Go directly to Narconon. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200."

i have never read truer words spoke...
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 14, 2012, 09:33
Another post up on Narconon at Infinite Complacency. Parking it here, as I'm
not quite sure where to put it on the site. Feel free to tow it away to somewhere
more appropriate.

http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/12/narconon-is-casualty-contact.html (http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/12/narconon-is-casualty-contact.html)

Narconon is a variation on “casualty contact”, a recruitment
policy Hubbard developed for Scientology in the 1950s, as
internal documents make clear.


Still working on the background before trying to tackle individual cases.

Jonny J.
Excellent article and research! Much appreciated

Quote
We have seen how, with Casualty Contact and the Illness Research, Hubbard was perfectly ready to stoop to ambulance chasing in the hunt for new recruits.

Narconon should be seen at the logical evolution of this approach.

For with Narconon, Scientologists no longer had to go looking for the sick; now, the sick came to Scientology – or rather its pseudo-medical alter ego.


http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/12/narconon-is-casualty-contact.html (http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/12/narconon-is-casualty-contact.html)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 14, 2012, 09:48
There's been quite a bit of activity on the Desmond v NN GA, NN INT case docket recently, including the addition of new lawyers for NN INT:

Case ID: 10A28641


NOTICE OF APPEARANCE
    06-DEC-2012     OF ATTY JAY D BENNETT, ATTY WIILLIAM R MITCHELSON JR & ATTY DANIEL F DIFFLEY AS COUNSELS FOR DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL

MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON PLEADNG     06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNTAIONAL'S MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON ALL CLAIMS& MOTION TO DISMISS FOR LACK OF PERSONAL JURISDICTION

BRIEF IN SUPPORT     06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S BRIEF IN SUPPORT OFITS MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT ON ALL CLAIMS & MOTION TO DISMISS FORLACK OF PERSONAL JURISDICTION

STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS
    06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS AS TO WHICH THERE IS NO GENUINE ISSUE TO BE TRIED

STMNT OF THEORY OF RECOVERY     06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S STATEMENT OF THEORIES OF PLTFS NON-RECOVERY

AFFIDAVIT     06-DEC-2012     OF MARIA E DELGADO-WEBB    

AFFIDAVIT
    06-DEC-2012     OF CLARK CARR    

REQUEST FOR ORAL ARGUMENT
    06-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S REQT FOR ORAL ARGUMENT    

BRIEF IN OPPOSITION     05-DEC-2012     NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S BRIEF IN OPPOSITION TO PLTFS MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS

MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON PLEADNG     04-DEC-2012     NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION FOR JUDGMNT ON THE PLEADINGS, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT OR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT

MEMORANDUM     04-DEC-2012        NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF ITS MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADING, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT OR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT

STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS     04-DEC-2012     NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS AS TO WHICH THERE IS NO GENUINE ISSUE TO BE TRIED


REQUEST     04-DEC-2012     TO DEF NNGA'S REQTS FOR ADMISSIONS TO PLTFS, DEPOSITION OF ALLISON RIEPE, DEPOSITION OF BRADLEY TAYLOR AND DEPOSITION OF B O TAKEN OCT 21,2011

STMNT OF THEORY OF RECOVERY     04-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S STATEMENT OF THEORIES OF RECOVERY    

REQUEST     04-DEC-2012     DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S REQT FOR ORAL HEARING

http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org/servlet/page?_pageid=54,301&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30

Lots of dox flying recently. Wonder what NN Int's excuses are, lol

BTW, That link ( BOLDED ) doesn't work because one has to log in as individual first before accessing a page.  People can go here 
http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org
or here:
http://www.ojs.dekalbga.org/servlet/page?_pageid=60&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30

search for case # 10A28641
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 14, 2012, 09:59
Oh, more from the docket.

Quote
OBJECTION     12-DEC-2012     JNW-- NON PARTY CHUCK CLARKE'S OBJECTION TO AND MOTION TO QUASH PENDING SUBPOENA AND BRIEF IN SUPPORT
 

NOTICE     11-DEC-2012     NOTICE OF HEARING - THURSDAY, JANUARY 17, 2013 AT 10:00 A.M./TYD

 


Curious about who Chuck Clarke is and if he's the person pending being subpoened and why who ever is wanting to Quash it, lol
Perhaps it's Deb Danos from the church. She was the last to be subpoened
Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      RULE 5.2 CERTIFICATE
Docket Filing Date      21-SEP-2012
Associated Party      JEFFREY R HARRIS
Text      
     AT / PLTF NOTICE TO TAKE DEPO DUCES TECUM OF DEB DANOS

Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      RESPONSE TO MOTION
Docket Filing Date      03-DEC-2012
Associated Party      None
Text      
     AADINO - OF DEB DANOS TO PLTFS MOTION TO COMPEL AGAINST A NON-PARTY
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on December 24, 2012, 21:35
Quote
OPPOSITION 21-DEC-2012 JNW-- DEFENDANT NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFFS' MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER REGARDING PLAINTIFFS' DEPOSITIONS, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE PLAINTIFFS' FROM TESTIFYING IN SUPPORT OF THEIR FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT AT THE TIME OF TRIAL and/or FOR TRIAL CONTINUANCE
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 24, 2012, 22:42
Quote
OPPOSITION 21-DEC-2012 JNW-- DEFENDANT NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S OPPOSITION TO PLAINTIFFS' MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER REGARDING PLAINTIFFS' DEPOSITIONS, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION IN LIMINE TO PRECLUDE PLAINTIFFS' FROM TESTIFYING IN SUPPORT OF THEIR FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT AT THE TIME OF TRIAL and/or FOR TRIAL CONTINUANCE

Looks like Narconon Int wants the depositions of the plaintiff's ( most recent ones called last month? or so since amended complaint was filed or the previous ones? ) to be open for use in trial instead of protected under a protective order because something in them is to their benefit?

And if they can't get the  judge to deny the plaintiff's Protective Order , in the alternative, they want the judge to prevent the plaintifffs from testifying at trial in support of their amended complaint.

Can't wait to see this document and the plaintiff's motion for protective order. And the exhibits attached that explain the whys.

Thanks for update, mefree :)


Quote
Protective order
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
#REDIRECT Injunction

Injunction
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  (Redirected from Protective order)

For restraining or protective orders (family law & harassment), see Restraining order.

An injunction is an equitable remedy in the form of a court order that requires a party to do or refrain from doing specific acts. A party that fails to comply with an injunction faces criminal or civil penalties and may have to pay damages or accept sanctions. In some cases, breaches of injunctions are considered serious criminal offenses that merit arrest and possible prison sentences.

Quote
Motion in limine
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In U.S. law, a motion in limine (Latin: "at the start") (pronounced \in-ˈlē-mi-ˌne\) is a written "request" or motion to a judge that can be used for civil or criminal proceedings, and at the State or Federal level. A frequent use is at a pre-trial hearing or during an actual trial, requesting that the judge rule that certain testimony regarding evidence or information may be included or excluded. The motion is always discussed outside the presence of the jury and is always decided by a judge. The reasons for the motions are wide and varied, but probably the most frequent use of the motion in limine in a criminal trial is to shield the jury from information concerning the defendant that could possibly be unfairly prejudicial to him if heard at trial.[1] Some others arise under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure for failure to comply with discovery.[2][3][4]

A motion in limine is used to get a ruling to allow for the inclusion of evidence, not only to get a ruling as to whether or not evidence will be precluded from trial.

Such a motion or order is said to be "in limine", which one commentary states is Latin for "at the outset" They are made "preliminary", and it is presented for consideration of the judge (or arbitrator or hearing officer) to be decided without before the merits are reached.[5]:791
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_in_limine
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on December 26, 2012, 22:05
Martin Cohen was listed at one time as the registered agent and CEO for Pur-o-Cleanse (NNGA sauna). He's next in line for a video deposition.
Quote
CERTIF OF SVC AS TO DISCOVER     26-DEC-2012     MB- PLTFS NOTICE TO TAKE VIDEOTAPE DEPOSITION OF MARTIN COHEN
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on December 26, 2012, 22:15
Martin Cohen was listed at one time as the registered agent and CEO for Pur-o-Cleanse (NNGA sauna). He's next in line for a video deposition.
Quote
CERTIF OF SVC AS TO DISCOVER     26-DEC-2012     MB- PLTFS NOTICE TO TAKE VIDEOTAPE DEPOSITION OF MARTIN COHEN

 ooo}  This should be fun. He's Jamie Thompson's uncle! He also was mentioned in her depo. And Mary's I believe. Narconon owed him money for the housing and he resorted to certified letters in order to get it. Mary accused hm of extortion, lol. What a joke. Calling people criminal because they ask for what they are owe. So predictable.

Can't wait to see what dox Cohen's got!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on December 27, 2012, 15:22
Yes, I can't imagine that Martin Cohen would be very friendly toward Mary Rieser and/or Narconon of Georgia, although stranger things have happened.  If he is, though, I have confidence that Jeff Harris, Rebecca Franklin, or one of the others will be able to pull some good info out of him.   :D

I think we'll be getting some answers soon about the protective order and some of the other filings.   ;)

Also, I'm just going to add a pointer here to this other thread: DCH investigation of Narconon of Georgia and its own internal investigation (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12083.0.html), since some of the documents from the Desmond case have been influential in getting DCH to investigate Narconon of Georgia more thoroughly.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 01, 2013, 17:55
Happy New Year, everyone!  You know we couldn't let the holidays go by without another "dox dump", so here we are:

These first 2 are transcripts of Motions Hearings that were held back in the spring of 2012 that, for some reason, we were unable to get right after they had been filed.  They make for very entertaining reading, and it's quite apparent in them that Narconon isn't getting over on Jeff Harris, in any way.  Enjoy them; they will take a while to read.

Everything has been OCR'ed, so feel free to copy and paste portions along with your comments as you read:

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-16-TranscriptOfMotionsHearingOn2012-03-23.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-16-TranscriptOfMotionsHearingOn2012-04-05.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-07-NNIsResponseToCourtOrderEnteredAugust23-2012.pdf



Some of this stuff is old news, but we just got the media condensed version of it before, so here's the extended version if you're interested in the "rest of the story the media didn't tell".

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-11-NNIsEmergencyMotionToHaveExhibitBWithdrawnAndFiledUnderSeal.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-12-NNGsEmergencyMotionAndIncorporatedBriefInSupportThereofToHaveExhibitBWithdrawnAndFiledUnderSealAndProtectDocumentsRecentlyProducedPursuantToCourtOrderUnderSeal.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-14-NNGsMotionForTimeToReplyToPlaintiffsProposedOrderAndSupplementalFilingInSupportOfPlaintiffsMotionForSanctionsAgainstNNG.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-09-24-NNGsObjectionsInOppositionToPlaintiffsProposedFindingsOfFact.pdf

This is the transcript from the hearing a few of us attended and discussed (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg24444.html#msg24444), back on page 8 of this thread:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-08-TranscriptOfMotionsHearingOn2012-07-19.pdf


http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-29-PlaintiffsMotionForSanctionsAgainstNNI.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-30-PlaintiffsMotionForACommissionToTakeAnOutOfStateDeposition.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-31-PlaintiffsMotionForSanctionsAgainstNNI.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-31-PlaintiffsMotionToCompelAgainstNonParty.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-05-OrderForSanctionsAgainstNNG.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-06-NNGsRequestForCertificateOfImmediateReview.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-06-OrderForCommissionToTakeDeposition.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-07-LetterFromJeffreyHarrisToJudgeHydrick.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-15-OrderForHearing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-16-NoticeOfDepositionOfMaryColleenDesmond.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-16-NoticeOfDepositionOfPatrickCDesmond.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-16-Rule52-NNIsResponsesToPlaintiffs1stRequestsForAdmissions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-11-26-PlaintiffsMotionForProtectiveOrder.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-04-NNGsMemorandumOfLawInSupportOfItsMotionForJudgementOnThePleadingsOrInTheAlternativeMotionForSummaryJudgementOrPartialSummaryJudgement.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-04-NNGsRequestForFilingOriginalDiscovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-04-NNGsRequestForOralHearing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-04-NNGsStatementOfMaterialFactsAsToWhichThereIsNoGenuineIssueToBeTried.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-04-NNGsStatementOfTheoriesOfRecovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-05-NNIsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForDiscoverySanctions-ExhibitB-Emails.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-05-NNIsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForDiscoverySanctions-ExhibitC-AffidavitOfClaudiaArcabascio.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-05-NNIsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForDiscoverySanctions-ExhibitE-AffidavitOfMaryRieser.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-05-NNIsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForDiscoverySanctions-ExhibitF-AffidavitOfXochitlOrlandi.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-05-NNIsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForDiscoverySanctions-ExhibitG-AffidavitOfGabriellaHutchinson.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-05-NNIsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForDiscoverySanctions-ExhibitsH-I.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-05-NNIsBriefInOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForDiscoverySanctions.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-AffidavitOfClarkCarr.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-AffidavitOfMariaDelgado-Webb.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-NNIsBriefInSupportOfItsMotionForJudgementOnThePleadingsOrInTheAlternativeForSummaryJudgementOnAllClaimsAndMotionToDismissForLackOfPersonalJurisdiction-Pg28-Missing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-NNIsMotionForJudgementOnThePleadingsOrInTheAlternativeForSummaryJudgementOnAllClaimsAndMotionToDismissForLackOfPersonalJurisdiction-Pg28-Missing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-NNIsRequestForOralArgument.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-NNIsStastementOfTheoriesOfPlaintiffsNon-Recovery.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-NNIsStatementOfMaterialFactsAsToWhichThereIsNoGenuineIssueToBeTried.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-NoticeOfAppearance.pdf

This one is important because it says that the hearing scheduled for January 4 has been postponed until January 17, and I assume is to be included with this hearing scheduled on the same day.  10am in the Epic and Honorable Judge Hydrick's Courtroom 2A.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-11-NoticeOfHearing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-12-NonPartyChuckClarkesObjectionToAndMotionToQuashPendingSubpoenaAndBriefInSupport.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-21-NNIsOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForProtectiveOrderOrMotionInLimine.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-21-Rule52-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfMartinCohen.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 01, 2013, 18:06
Thank you!! *S*(*oo

(Like you didn't have enough to do this last week!!   \--O--/ )
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 01, 2013, 20:29
(Like you didn't have enough to do this last week!!   \--O--/ )

Oh, yeah.  I would say I need a vacation, but that's what I just had.  My job will seem like the vacation after the past couple of weeks. 

 ===|8OOOo
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 01, 2013, 20:31
Bless you, ec.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 01, 2013, 20:44
(Like you didn't have enough to do this last week!!   \--O--/ )

Oh, yeah.  I would say I need a vacation, but that's what I just had.  My job will seem like the vacation after the past couple of weeks. 

 ===|8OOOo

 \*/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 01, 2013, 21:08

This one's a doozie! The Church of Scientology Director of Special Affairs Deb Danos not complying with production of records, letter to judge about it, and Rick Moxon as the attorney representing her not getting back about particulars. Includes a list of dox plaintiffs want, lol
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-31-PlaintiffsMotionToCompelAgainstNonParty.pdf

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on January 01, 2013, 23:08
The local Atlanta Church of Scientology, with the orchestration of long-time Scientology scrubber Moxon, refuses to participate in the judicial process, fails and refuses to respond to counsel, fails and refuses to respond to a Motion to Compel ... this should go over really well with the Judge.

And NNINT opposes sanctions based on the sworn testimony of unrepentant confirmed liar Mary Rieser that the extraordinarily detailed and comprehensive Things That Shouldn't Be memo was never even sent to NNINT, and the box of docs was of course not sent either ... Oh Yeah, that is some rock solid evidence that the Judge will certainly find very highly believable.

As for big shot lawyer Jay Bennett and 2 of his partners from jumping into the case 9 weeks before trial, WTF is up with that?  Musical chairs, Hail Mary, or Flailing in Quicksand?  And filing half a forest of paper. And wanting a continuance of the trial too! This is all way just way too much more of seriously bizarre stuff that again can hardly be looked upon with favor by a Judge who has already made it clear that she had more than enough of all the stupid Scientology litigation gamesmanship.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on January 01, 2013, 23:18
My guess is they're making arrangements to go ahead and shut down soon and simply trying to stall while they gather a new Executive Director, location, Board, etc. and file for new corp. status, just like they did in Michigan when Narconon Stone Hawk closed and re-opened as Narconon Freedom Center.

Not sure what Narconon International will do, though, other than ask for a chunk of change from the church of Scientology to cover the damages awarded.  They won't be allowed to fold like Mary Rieser will be forced to do.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 01, 2013, 23:46
The local Atlanta Church of Scientology, with the orchestration of long-time Scientology scrubber Moxon, refuses to participate in the judicial process, fails and refuses to respond to counsel, fails and refuses to respond to a Motion to Compel ... this should go over really well with the Judge.

And NNINT opposes sanctions based on the sworn testimony of unrepentant confirmed liar Mary Rieser that the extraordinarily detailed and comprehensive Things That Shouldn't Be memo was never even sent to NNINT, and the box of docs was of course not sent either ... Oh Yeah, that is some rock solid evidence that the Judge will certainly find very highly believable.

As for big shot lawyer Jay Bennett and 2 of his partners from jumping into the case 9 weeks before trial, WTF is up with that?  Musical chairs, Hail Mary, or Flailing in Quicksand?  And filing half a forest of paper. And wanting a continuance of the trial too! This is all way just way too much more of seriously bizarre stuff that again can hardly be looked upon with favor by a Judge who has already made it clear that she had more than enough of all the stupid Scientology litigation gamesmanship.

Great summary, Witnessman!!

I think Jay Bennett and the other were brought in as a last ditch attempt when it occurred to NN Int that they couldn't bullshit their way through this anymore and had to spring for their own attorney. As well, NN Int seems to think they have no alternative but to put the blame on Mary Rieser now. What better way to do that than to get better attorneys like those from Alston & Bird LLP, than the rinky dink firm they shared before.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on January 02, 2013, 09:55
Previously, the Carlock Copeland firm with partner David Root as lead counsel had substituted for Drew Eckl, which as you note obviously had a conflict of interest representing both NNGA and NNINT.

The thing about silk stockinged Alston & Bird jumping in is it smells of rank desperation on the part of Scientology and an unseemly love of filthy lucre on the part of AB.  As to the latter, I mean, how many zeros had to be on that retainer check for this supposed bastion of legal propriety to sell out and dive into the Scientology sewer of evil?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 02, 2013, 11:06
Previously, the Carlock Copeland firm with partner David Root as lead counsel had substituted for Drew Eckl, which as you note obviously had a conflict of interest representing both NNGA and NNINT.

The thing about silk stockinged Alston & Bird jumping in is it smells of rank desperation on the part of Scientology and an unseemly love of filthy lucre on the part of AB.  As to the latter, I mean, how many zeros had to be on that retainer check for this supposed bastion of legal propriety to sell out and dive into the Scientology sewer of evil?

 ;D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: AnonLover on January 02, 2013, 12:15
Ohhhhh my goodness! Dox delirium! i haz sum.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 02, 2013, 12:20
Ohhhhh my goodness! Dox delirium! i haz sum.

Hey, AL, glad to see you here!! Yes, lotsADox!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 02, 2013, 17:59
Ohhhhh my goodness! Dox delirium! i haz sum.

Enjoy! ||||9000||||
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 02, 2013, 18:41
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-31-PlaintiffsMotionToCompelAgainstNonParty.pdf

  :D^This, this,this,this!^ :D

 On another note,the Januray 4th hearing being postponed until thursday January 17th.How apropos. ;D

I seem to recall Scientology of Georgia,s DSA Deb Danos being a pal of Rex Fowler. If some are not aware, ole Rex, an OT 7 or sumthin is now serving life in prison for the murder of a member of his software company.

http://www.skeptictank.org/gs/sci413.htm

Quote

From news.interserv.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!janda Thu Sep 14 09:44:39 1995
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From: janda@netcom.com (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran)
Subject: Thoughts on the picket... (Boulder)
Message-ID: <jandaDEp4D0.65@netcom.com>
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(1) It is imperitive that one person have a laptop and printer at each
    of the suceeding pickets.  Deb Danos made a comment along the lines
    of "Somebody else wrote up the fair game policy; Hubbard rescinded
    it".  I wanted to ask her why the Copyright Office listed Hubbard
    as the author, but didn't have the copyright numbers, etc handy.
    I ran into a couple of other situations like that.

(2) I finally met some practicing members of Scientology yesterday.  The
    OTIII said something about "I don't need to read that; I'm OTIII"
    as she went running out of the area.  There was a person who claimed
    to be OTVI, and working on OTVII, but I didn't get to speak with her.

(3) I asked Deb Danos if she thought a post containing six lines from
    OTVII could be cancelled by the cult.  She said "yes".  Deb also
    mentioned that the cancellations has been brought up in court Friday,
    but she didn't mention any details.

(4) I pity the Scientologists I met.  Deb was high-strung, and seemed to
    me to be extremly nervous.  Anderson seemed to be alert, but I felt
    that he was out there because he was afraid somebody was going to
    fuck up, not that he was out there for fun.  He spent a lot of time
    hanging around behind Deb.

(5) Is Boulder/Boston the only sites that had implants?  Our implant
    had a sign that read something like "We support lawlessness and
    terrorism on the Internet".  Now this is a gentleman (He introduced
    himself as "Bob") I pity.  I walked up to him and asked "Do you
    really think you're fooling anybody?"  I figured he would smile,
    laugh, make a small joke, or something.  He just said "No, I'm
    playing the cynical picket."  I didn't ask what the hat of cynical
    picket was.

(6) Gender:  At the Boulder picket, there were two male scientologists when
    we started:  Anderson and Bob.  The other three pickets, Deb, and the
    rest (Until Rex Fowler and the clear showed up) were all females.  Do
    you think this was intentional?

(7) I'm going to report myself for a comm violation to ARS executive central.
    Did _anybody_ mention to the press that I am a programmer, another
    person manages an art gallery, another ran for the senate in 1992,
    that we come from diverse background, with diverse interests, and
    we have two commen things about us:

    (1) We all use the Internet.
    (2) The cult has declared war on the Internet.

    It is imperitive that the pickets get together with short biographies
    a week or so before the next picket so that we know who each other
    are, and something about them.

(8) Yes, I'm going to get a spelling checker for my next picket sign.
--
Click <Here> To Receive A Copy Of The SeKrEtScRiPtUrEs Of The Cult Of
Scientology.

ÿ

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 02, 2013, 19:29
My guess is they're making arrangements to go ahead and shut down soon and simply trying to stall while they gather a new Executive Director, location, Board, etc. and file for new corp. status, just like they did in Michigan when Narconon Stone Hawk closed and re-opened as Narconon Freedom Center.

Not sure what Narconon International will do, though, other than ask for a chunk of change from the church of Scientology to cover the damages awarded.  They won't be allowed to fold like Mary Rieser will be forced to do.

Circumstances in Mich were a bit different than this situation.  I dont believe they will try that as it will tie them to the new corp legally.

http://info.legalzoom.com/constitutes-successor-corporation-20923.html

Freedom Center didnt get hit with the lawsuits and such of Stone Henge as Per started to pay them back. 

What I believe they are doing is intentionally stalling, playing dumb, etc to try and outlast the Desmonds or the attorneys.  When they have tried everything and there are no more loopholes or tricks to play and their asses are against the wall, they will offer a settlement.  A confidential one.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 02, 2013, 19:44
 Just reread this document.

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-16-TranscriptOfMotionsHearingOn2012-04-05.pdf

End of page 46 into the beginning of page 47 makes no sense to me time wise.

Quote
19 Q. Ms. Rieser, if you could tell the Court what was
20 happening in March of 2008 at Narconon to prompt the Board of
21 Investigation?
22 A. What was happening was there is a group called
23 Anonymous. They had originally come with masks. They were like
24 a hate group. They were across the country. They had -- there
25 were threats. They had already taken down some Web sites.
 

Quote


Back then nobody knew about them. Now they have had
more national attention, and they would stand at the end of the
road taking pictures of the students.

 Were there protests at the NarCONon of Georgia facility in Feb/March of 08 as Ms.Rieser claims? Were those alleged N of G protests the impetus behind this " Board of Investigation" she refers to in this depo?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 02, 2013, 20:55
I just saw that, too! She must be refering to this:

One of many vids on YouTube:  Atlanta Georgia police V Anonymous  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTI4AWQw2nk)

Quote
Uploaded on Mar 16, 2008

An open email to Atlanta Georgia police department demanding they explain their actions on the 15th March 2008 when they apparently arrested members of anonymous unprovoked. An act, which if left unexplained, is an abomination against the constitution of the United States of America. The video includes the footage of the arrests, this is a transcript of the email sent to the chief of police in DeKalb County, Atlanta, Georgia ('tdbolton@co.dekalb.ga.us'):

What is the story behind the video on the Internet showing your police department arresting two apparently peaceful protestors at the protest by anonymous on March 15th 2008?

Why is your police department one of the very few around the world, possibly the only one, who responded to the protests against scientology in full riot gear? Police in many other cities, some with a greater turn out that in yours on the 15th, did not respond in such force and only in regular uniforms because, frankly, they correctly assessed the situation. Check the London protests, 700 -- 800 protestors, no riot gear. The same is true in most of the other 100+ locations where protests were held by anonymous against scientology on the 15th March 2008.

Your departments response to the protests was apparently in excess of all others. The arrests you made were apparently unprovoked and not repeated anywhere else during this world wide protest. These apparent facts make your department's response suspiciously different to the normal response to what was a very peaceful world wide protest against scientology. It has to be asked therefore, are there any links between your department and the organisation of scientology that would explain this variance from the normal response world-wide?

This is an open letter and I trust you can explain yourselves. I hope however there will be some judicial review of your actions that day because, frankly, it looks like your department were acting in a manner that violates a couple of the tenets of the US constitution.

We expect an explaination of what appears to be anomalous behavior from those who are meant to serve us. Arrogance will not suffice.

This news spread around the globe. I was under the impression this protest was in front of the church, not in front of Narconon.  ooo:/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 02, 2013, 21:08
My impression is that Scientology pulled their usual drama queen act for the DeKalb Police, convincing them that Anonymous was a terrorist hate group that had threatened them, hence the over-the-top police presence in full riot gear. The scilons like Mary probably believe their own propaganda. Scientology made fools of the DeKalb Police department. The two arrests were for something lame.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 02, 2013, 21:13
You guys don't expect Mary Rieser to suddenly start telling the truth, do you?

 :-----|
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 02, 2013, 21:19
I doubt she even knows what the truth is anymore.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 02, 2013, 21:23
I doubt she even knows what the truth is anymore.

I'm afraid you are right, snippy.  _/?%
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on January 02, 2013, 22:13
My impression is that Scientology pulled their usual drama queen act for the Atlanta police, convincing them that Anonymous was a terrorist hate group that had threatened them, hence the over-the-top police presence in full riot gear. The scilons like Mary probably believe their own propaganda. Scientology made fools of the DeKalb Police department. The two arrests were for something lame.

I was present for that protest - on the inside of the church.  The police presence was absolutely instigated by OSA via Deb Danos in the DSA office.  They reported that terrorists were making death threats and coming to interfere with their right to "worship".  Such bullshit.

We all believed the propaganda back then, I regretfully report.  We were scared and led to believe we were under attack and that evil SP's were trying to destroy "our religion".  Again, such bullshit. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 02, 2013, 23:00
My impression is that Scientology pulled their usual drama queen act for the Atlanta police, convincing them that Anonymous was a terrorist hate group that had threatened them, hence the over-the-top police presence in full riot gear. The scilons like Mary probably believe their own propaganda. Scientology made fools of the DeKalb Police department. The two arrests were for something lame.

I was present for that protest - on the inside of the church.  The police presence was absolutely instigated by OSA via Deb Danos in the DSA office.  They reported that terrorists were making death threats and coming to interfere with their right to "worship".  Such bullshit.

We all believed the propaganda back then, I regretfully report.  We were scared and led to believe we were under attack and that evil SP's were trying to destroy "our religion".  Again, such bullshit.

 March 2008. Deb Danos is the individual in the center of this photo taken during a March 2008 protest in front and across the street from Scientology of Georgia,s former location.

 (http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/March2008.jpg)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 02, 2013, 23:18
Quote
I was present for that protest - on the inside of the church.  The police presence was absolutely instigated by OSA via Deb Danos in the DSA office.  They reported that terrorists were making death threats and coming to interfere with their right to "worship".  Such bullshit.

We all believed the propaganda back then, I regretfully report.  We were scared and led to believe we were under attack and that evil SP's were trying to destroy "our religion".  Again, such bullshit.

And the DeKalb Police fell for it! It's scary to think about how easily they convince people inside and outside of the church that there is some "dangerous" situation. If the police don't understand their special mindset  (and as the church gets more desperate), I hate to say it, but tragedies are possible.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 03, 2013, 06:23
Were there protests at the NarCONon of Georgia facility in Feb/March of 08 as Ms.Rieser claims? Were those alleged N of G protests the impetus behind this " Board of Investigation" she refers to in this depo?

No.  The protests that early in 2008 were in front of the "church" in Feb./March 2008.  The first protest at Narconon (at least by anonymous) was this one, which I was emailed about and asked to post by the two people who were there:

Quote
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:47:57 -0400

We had a fun mini-raid. Two Anons arrived at the sidewalk in front of the
office complex that houses the local Narconon center. One of us had a sign
saying "Narconon kills" while another "Patrick Desmond died while in the
"care" of Narconon." After about 5-10 minutes from arriving at the center, a
large red van pulled up beside us. Two large men opened the middle door and
pulled out cameras. After we pulled out our own camera, the two men quickly
shut their door. A scraggly looking woman in the passenger's seat yelled at
us about having a permit. We said that we already called the cops and that
they told us we don't need a permit. A few more choice words were exchanged.
and the red van left.

A few minutes later we were confronted with a scrawny-looking man, with an
iPhone. He also asked us if we had a permit, getting the same answer the red
van did. The guy pulled out his phone to take pictures, and we pulled out
our camera, and held our signs over our faces. The man said something about
"You can't film students." We quipped back "Are you a student?" The guy
answered "no."

Soon after that the cops showed up. Two cruisers total came to the Narconon
lot. We had one officer come up to us to ask what we were protesting, and to
remind us to stay on the sidewalk. The cops seemed friendly and there was no
major incident.

We stayed out for a while longer, although it started to rain for about 20
minutes. He had LOTS of honks, and more than a few waves. Besides the
Narconon people themselves, there were no negative responses.

Here are 4 photos:
(http://alley.ethercat.com/narconon/narconon-2008-07-26_001.jpg) (http://alley.ethercat.com/narconon/narconon-2008-07-26_002.jpg) (http://alley.ethercat.com/narconon/narconon-2008-07-26_003.jpg) (http://alley.ethercat.com/narconon/narconon-2008-07-26_004.jpg)


Here's the old enturbulation.org link, which may still be on WWP if you can figure out the link translation:
http://forums.enturbulation.org/121-raids/july-26-narconon-ga-picketed-23676/

Narconon of Georgia had an exhibit planned at the state capital building in March a few days after the "church" protest that happened on March 15 (?), 2008, which some people planned to attend, but after  the arrests happened at the "church" protest, everyone was distracted and, as far as I know, no one went to the capital exhibit.

So, they could have been referring to that, but that would not have been in front of the NN building, it would have been downtown.  Mary Rieser probably only knows what the "church intelligence", aka OSA, told her.

Quote
I was present for that protest - on the inside of the church.  The police presence was absolutely instigated by OSA via Deb Danos in the DSA office.  They reported that terrorists were making death threats and coming to interfere with their right to "worship".  Such bullshit.

We all believed the propaganda back then, I regretfully report.  We were scared and led to believe we were under attack and that evil SP's were trying to destroy "our religion".  Again, such bullshit.

And the DeKalb Police fell for it! It's scary to think about how easily they convince people inside and outside of the church that there is some "dangerous" situation. If the police don't understand their special mindset  (and as the church gets more desperate), I hate to say it, but tragedies are possible.

Unfortunately, snippy, you are correct.  It took some effort on the part of myself and one other (who can speak up if they wish) to convince the head of the DeKalb SWAT team otherwise, too. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 03, 2013, 06:34
Circumstances in Mich were a bit different than this situation.  I dont believe they will try that as it will tie them to the new corp legally.

http://info.legalzoom.com/constitutes-successor-corporation-20923.html

Freedom Center didnt get hit with the lawsuits and such of Stone Henge as Per started to pay them back. 

What I believe they are doing is intentionally stalling, playing dumb, etc to try and outlast the Desmonds or the attorneys.  When they have tried everything and there are no more loopholes or tricks to play and their asses are against the wall, they will offer a settlement.  A confidential one.

Somewhere around here, and if not here, Mary McConnell has them on her blog, there are some images of tax liens incurred by Narconon of Georgia that shows Narconon International being the party responsible for them.  Would that not tie the two together, if one is paying tax liens for the other?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on January 03, 2013, 07:30
Circumstances in Mich were a bit different than this situation.  I dont believe they will try that as it will tie them to the new corp legally.

http://info.legalzoom.com/constitutes-successor-corporation-20923.html

Freedom Center didnt get hit with the lawsuits and such of Stone Henge as Per started to pay them back. 

What I believe they are doing is intentionally stalling, playing dumb, etc to try and outlast the Desmonds or the attorneys.  When they have tried everything and there are no more loopholes or tricks to play and their asses are against the wall, they will offer a settlement.  A confidential one.

Somewhere around here, and if not here, Mary McConnell has them on her blog, there are some images of tax liens incurred by Narconon of Georgia that shows Narconon International being the party responsible for them.  Would that not tie the two together, if one is paying tax liens for the other?

What year was this? How much was owed? Did the lien specifically state NN Int was responsible for paying the lien, or does it just show them paying it?

If the later I can check NN Int's 990's for any unusual "grants" to NN GA for that amount. I wouldn't put it past them to try getting a tax write off for bailing NN GA out, which is something grants are not allowed to be used for if you write them off.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 03, 2013, 07:36
Could be considered a business loan which doesnt necessarily join the two at the hips.  I believe what makes NN Int responsible in the Desmond case is that they are supposed to be overseeing the integrity of the program and did not.  They let them pass themselves off as a residential center and did not do the routine inspections even after reports of "outnesses" surfaced.  This directly resulted in Patrick's Death.  The thing they are trying to do with all this legalese is make the judge, jury and attorneys lose sight of this.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on January 03, 2013, 11:14
If I can get the year and amount it still wouldn't hurt to check the 990's. If I ever get caught up so I can get back to digging, I've already seen some "iffy" things in the so called 'grants' the various NN's have been doing.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 03, 2013, 11:18
What year was this? How much was owed? Did the lien specifically state NN Int was responsible for paying the lien, or does it just show them paying it?

If the later I can check NN Int's 990's for any unusual "grants" to NN GA for that amount. I wouldn't put it past them to try getting a tax write off for bailing NN GA out, which is something grants are not allowed to be used for if you write them off.

Here are the documents; I'll let you determine whether or not NN Int was considered responsible, or just paid it (I don't know).  It says "Name of Taxpayer".

http://www.scribd.com/doc/58525384/Narconon-of-Georgia-International-IRS-Lien-941-09-30-2009
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58525405/Narconon-of-GA-International-IRS-Lien-tax-period-03-31-2010
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58525409/Narconon-GA-International-IRS-Lien-Tax-Period-06-30-2010
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58525404/Narconon-of-Georgia-International-IRS-Lien-Tax-Period-09-30-2010
http://www.scribd.com/doc/58525399/Narconon-of-Georgia-and-Narconon-International-IRS-Lien-tax-period-12-31-2010
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on January 03, 2013, 11:42
Wow! Gold mine linking NN Int/NN Ga for sure. These are not showing NN GA and NN Int owing taxes. What that 'Name of Taxpayer' block is actually showing is NN GA, a part of the NN Int corporation, owing unpaid taxes

That taxpayer field, "NARCONON INTERNATIONAL a corporation NARCONON OF GEORGIA", goes back to what I've said before about how the IRS looks at NN Int. Regardless of how they may be set up at the state level, the IRS looks at ALL narCONons falling under GEN 2595 for NN Int, generated by the Group Exemption Letter from the 1993 agreement, as being part of NN Int with whatever name they are actually going by considered a DBA.

Essentially the IRS looks at NN's falling under NN Int as a franchise operation. The individual NN's under NN Int may be independently owned and operated, but they have to conform to NN Int's way of doing things or else!



These lien notices are hard proof of that.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on January 03, 2013, 14:31
So from Mary's affidavit:
"I was upset when I wrote the memo. I calmed down, and I simply cannot
remember whether the memo and the box were sent. If the memo and box were sent,
they would have been sent by regular mail and not addressed to any specific person."

She was upset and calmed down and cannot remember what happened next.

Regardless, that memo shows how decisions regarding NN and housing were made based on the person's standing in the scientology org, not based on the needs of the students. If this does not indicate "control" by scientology, it sure is undue and detrimental influence that supersedes following the law.

So when you take the NNI DBA NNG from the tax liens, follow NNI through ABLE, you get OSA control of both "church" and NN.

Mary (through misstatements) is blaming anonymous protests of the "church" for NN needing to at least appear clean, and basically equating the 2 entities.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 04, 2013, 09:14
The police became friendly towards and much less involved with the protests  after they got wind of what was really going on. I believe SocialTransparency ans etherct played a big role in educating them. \--O--/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 10, 2013, 17:53
Volumes of exhibits!

Description      RESPONSE
Docket Filing Date      09-JAN-2013
Associated Party      JEFFREY R HARRIS
PLTFS RESPONSE TO DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONALS MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT OR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT

Description      RESPONSE
Docket Filing Date      09-JAN-2013
Associated Party      JEFFREY R HARRIS
PLTFS RESPONSE TO DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA'S MOTION FOR JUDGMENT ON THE PLEADINGS OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE, MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT OR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT

RULE 6.5     09-JAN-2013 - PLTFS RULE 6.5 STATEMENT OF MATERIAL FACTRS IN RESPONSE TO NARCONON OF GEORGIA, INC AND NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S PENDING DISPOSITIVE MOTIONS FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT

EXHIBITS     09-JAN-2013     AADINO - VOL. 1 OF 4    
EXHIBITS     09-JAN-2013     AADINO - VOL  2 OF 4    
EXHIBITS     09-JAN-2013     AADINO - VOL. 3 OF 4    
EXHIBITS     09-JAN-2013     AADINO - VOL. 4 OF 4

PROPOSED ORDER     08-JAN-2013 - STIPULATION AND ( PROPOSED ) CONSENT ORDER
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 10, 2013, 18:12
Volumes of exhibits!

PROPOSED ORDER     08-JAN-2013 - STIPULATION AND ( PROPOSED ) CONSENT ORDER[/b]

Who filed it? The plaintiff?
Do we know what it's in reference to?
 

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 10, 2013, 18:17
Volumes of exhibits!

PROPOSED ORDER     08-JAN-2013 - STIPULATION AND ( PROPOSED ) CONSENT ORDER[/b]

Who filed it? The plaintiff?
Do we know what it's in reference to?

All filed by the plaintiffs. I'm not sure what it is in reference to.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 10, 2013, 18:52
Volumes of exhibits!

PROPOSED ORDER     08-JAN-2013 - STIPULATION AND ( PROPOSED ) CONSENT ORDER[/b]

Who filed it? The plaintiff?
Do we know what it's in reference to?

All filed by the plaintiffs. I'm not sure what it is in reference to.

Thank you, mefree!

I think it's in response to this :)
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-29-PlaintiffsMotionForSanctionsAgainstNNI.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on January 16, 2013, 13:17
I thought I remembered reading that there was supposed to be a hearing tomorrow regarding a motion for sanctions against Narconon International.  If that's true, I'd love to hear the outcome of that.

Also, a little birdie told me that Narconon of Georgia had a booth at the Capitol on Monday with a display and literature touting their program to try and gain legislative support.  The eyewitness relayed that they looked like an island of loneliness s nobody wanted to go near them.

This is in contrast to a few years ago.  I attended their Capitol day in early 2008 right before I moved to Clearwater, and spoke to many people.  I even got asked to speak at a committee hearing by surprise.  NN GA tried to capitalize on this, and apparently created this false press release without my knowledge.  I never gave permission for those quotes and certainly don't recall saying those things to the committee (http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=43543&amp;aut=18313). 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 16, 2013, 16:45
I thought I remembered reading that there was supposed to be a hearing tomorrow regarding a motion for sanctions against Narconon International.  If that's true, I'd love to hear the outcome of that.

Yes, you heard right....

ethercat wrote
Quote
This one is important because it says that the hearing scheduled for January 4 has been postponed until January 17, and I assume is to be included with this hearing scheduled on the same day.  10am in the Epic and Honorable Judge Hydrick's Courtroom 2A.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-11-NoticeOfHearing.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-12-NonPartyChuckClarkesObjectionToAndMotionToQuashPendingSubpoenaAndBriefInSupport.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-21-NNIsOppositionToPlaintiffsMotionForProtectiveOrderOrMotionInLimine.pdf

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-21-Rule52-PlaintiffsNoticeToTakeVideotapedDepositionOfMartinCohen.pdf
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg28225.html#msg28225


Also, a little birdie told me that Narconon of Georgia had a booth at the Capitol on Monday with a display and literature touting their program to try and gain legislative support.  The eyewitness relayed that they looked like an island of loneliness s nobody wanted to go near them.

This is in contrast to a few years ago.  I attended their Capitol day in early 2008 right before I moved to Clearwater, and spoke to many people.  I even got asked to speak at a committee hearing by surprise.  NN GA tried to capitalize on this, and apparently created this false press release without my knowledge.  I never gave permission for those quotes and certainly don't recall saying those things to the committee (http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=43543&amp;aut=18313).

 hehehe! Y--O-||
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 16, 2013, 18:26
I thought I remembered reading that there was supposed to be a hearing tomorrow regarding a motion for sanctions against Narconon International.  If that's true, I'd love to hear the outcome of that.

Yes, you heard right....

ethercat wrote
Quote
This one is important because it says that the hearing scheduled for January 4 has been postponed until January 17, and I assume is to be included with this hearing scheduled on the same day.  10am in the Epic and Honorable Judge Hydrick's Courtroom 2A.

Yes, you did hear right, and I called the judge's office this afternoon to confirm.  It has been moved to 1:30 pm tomorrow.  The "rear ends" of anyone who plans to attend will be thankful for less time in the courtroom - those benches are HARD!

Quote
Also, a little birdie told me that Narconon of Georgia had a booth at the Capitol on Monday with a display and literature touting their program to try and gain legislative support.  The eyewitness relayed that they looked like an island of loneliness s nobody wanted to go near them.

The doofusses didn't check what else was going on Monday - there were no tours of the Capitol going on that day because the legislature was in session, so there probably weren't many visitors there that day.  Also, they've got mega-bad publicity going on, what with the media and all.   The legislators probably heard about them on the news.  ;D

Quote
This is in contrast to a few years ago.  I attended their Capitol day in early 2008 right before I moved to Clearwater, and spoke to many people.  I even got asked to speak at a committee hearing by surprise.  NN GA tried to capitalize on this, and apparently created this false press release without my knowledge.  I never gave permission for those quotes and certainly don't recall saying those things to the committee (http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=43543&amp;aut=18313).

Nice of them to tell everyone reading what they need to make meth.   (:E)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 16, 2013, 18:49
Quote from: ethercat
less time in the courtroom - those benches are HARD!

A cushion is recommended.

Quote from: ethercat
Nice of them to tell everyone reading what they need to make meth.   (:E)

 :-D^\^\

Quote
Mr. Catton also stated, "The Narconon Drug Rehab program has a 76% success rate with people hooked on meth, but we would prefer not having people addicted to meth in the first place. The harder we make it for dealers to produce meth, the better off we all are."

That sure doesn't sound like something you would say, Lucas. No wonder you remember it so well!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on January 16, 2013, 20:34
I came across that release today as I was doing research for my writing - wanting to get the timeline of events correct.  I wonder if there is a real transcript of that hearing somewhere.  I was talking about how when the laws changed in Oklahoma regarding products containing certain ingredients used to manufacture meth that there was an almost immediate decline in local production/labs found.  It was in support of the bill.  I definitely didn't talk any more about Narconon, especially since I was no longer directly employed by Narconon at that time.  This release is just one more piece of evidence of their habitual lying.  Lying to parents and addicts, to the media, to government officials and regulators, to insurance companies, you name it - and that goes for more than just Narconon of Georgia, obviously.

Oh, and there are also a couple other major things happening tomorrow - Lawrence Wright's book coming out and both he and Paul Haggis appear on NBC's Rock Center!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on January 16, 2013, 23:47
I came across that release today as I was doing research for my writing - wanting to get the timeline of events correct.  I wonder if there is a real transcript of that hearing somewhere.

Didn't find a transcript, but found a report: http://www.senate.ga.gov/sro/Documents/StudyCommRpts/08MethcheckDatabaseRpt.pdf
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on January 16, 2013, 23:59
Didn't find a transcript, but found a report: http://www.senate.ga.gov/sro/Documents/StudyCommRpts/08MethcheckDatabaseRpt.pdf

Cool!  If I remember correctly, the bill was actually shot down initially because of costs to formulate and maintain the database, so later in the session they created this committee, which held the meetings described in the report.  These are part of the same string, but came months after the hearing we attended.

Good find and thanks for posting though!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 17, 2013, 20:25
Narconon claims no liability in death of Norcross rehab patient -AJC (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/narconon-claims-no-liability-in-death-of-norcross-/nTzZq/)
By Christian Boone

Quote
.....Narconon International, based in Los Angeles, is also named in the suit. Attorneys for the drug treatment organization with ties to the Church of Scientology said during Thursday’s hearing they were not responsible for the Norcross clinic’s alleged negligence.

“These two companies are separate corporations,” Narconon International lawyer David Root said. “International does not own, and Georgia is not a subsidiary, or local licensee.”

The international group is “not involved” in the Georgia group’s daily operations, Root said.

But the lawyer for Desmond’s parents, pointing to a contract between the two entities in which Narconon International agrees to provide periodic, on-site health and safety inspections, said its responsibility is irrefutable.

“Narconon International has assumed a contractual duty to address anything that is a ‘non-optimal’ situation,” said plaintiff’s attorney Jeff Harris, adding the international group regularly inspected the Georgia clinic. “They’re on constant notice there are problems at the housing (component) and they never do anything about it.”

Narconon of Georgia attorney Barbara Marschalk said the overriding issue of the case is Desmond’s willful use of an illegal substance.

“Is it fair and reasonable to hold someone accountable for their own conduct?” she said. In her closing argument Thursday, Marschalk said, “Addicts find a way to get drugs. That is a simple fact of of life. No one from Narconon of Georgia gave him drugs.”

Moreover, Marschalk said Desmond knew he was enrolled in an outpatient program, pointing to documents signed by the 28-year-old former Marine.

“None of the misrepresentations caused Patrick Desmond’s death,” she said.

Harris countered that Narconon has engaged in “a pattern of criminal activity.”

“All we’re saying it that a drug and alcohol rehab facility has to take reasonable steps to prevent … their own patients from attempting to get drugs and alcohol,” he said. “Those people are there because they have a disease and they should be treated as such.”

Hydrick said she would rule on Narconon’s request for a summary judgment before a pre-trial hearing scheduled for Feb. 4....

more at http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/narconon-claims-no-liability-in-death-of-norcross-/nTzZq/

Jodie Fleischer, Pete Combs and Christian Boone were all present at the hearing today. The AJC article is already up and there was a snippet on WSB radio. I expect more tonight on WSB TV at 11 p.m.

Christian Boone covers the arguments on both sides pretty well in his article. I have one lasting impression from today's hearing. Marschalk is still smarting from sanctions.

There was quite a bit of discussion on pain and suffering, or lack thereof, and proximate cause. Although Narconon INT tried to distance themselves from this case, Jeff Harris was ready with documents that showed their involvement.

We have to wait for a ruling on the summary judgement request on February 4th at a pre-trial hearing. A lengthy trial is anticipated.

A comment from t1kk on the Tipping Point facebook page:

Quote
So Narconon is basically arguing that it's as liable as a highway truck stop, if someone were to overdose there. They accept five-figure checks from patients, extremely vulnerable people by definition, and whatever happens on their watch is on them.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on January 17, 2013, 20:46
If anyone attended the hearing today, please let us know if the Judge announced any rulings or if  there anything definite about the trial being either on or off for Feb 11?

If not, how did it seem to go? Did the Judge ask many questions? Did she do or say anything might seem to indicate what could happen next?

Thanks.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 17, 2013, 20:53
Interesting article... Jeff Harris quotes nailed it.  ie: "criminal activities";  and “All we’re saying it that a drug and alcohol rehab facility has to take reasonable steps to prevent … their own patients from attempting to get drugs and alcohol,” he said. “Those people are there because they have a disease and they should be treated as such.”

Yes and what happened regarding the other motions/ hearing that were to be heard yesterday... I thought there were 4 in total

Also, do we know what the Narconon Int sanctions decision is?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on January 17, 2013, 21:02
narCONon's arguement sounds like the typical Cof$ deflection of, "He pulled it in, it's not the techs fault.", crapolla.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 18, 2013, 11:18
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Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: who me? on January 18, 2013, 12:21
narCONon's arguement sounds like the typical Cof$ deflection of, "He pulled it in, it's not the techs fault.", crapolla.

I really dislike the "pulled it in" crap, unfortunately, so many people see addiction as a moral failing and figure the person brought the misery on themselves.

A jury will need to be educated on addiction, and on the fact that someone trying to recover has a rough time with all the support in the world, and every point that NN is short of the ideal becomes another hurdle to an addict's recovery. NN lied to have Patrick placed in a facility that did not meet his needs or the court requirements. NN set him up for failure when they did not provide appropriate rehab or any skills to deal with his addiction, and sent him home with a high relapse risk (which he did).

Patrick may have known he was in an inappropriate place but what options did he have? Reporting this to his parents would have NN saying addicts lie when they do not want to be in rehab. Reporting it to the court was a big unknown, would he go to jail? or would he be back in the position of trying to find another rehab after his parents already spent so much money? Either way, he would have felt he failed his parents, or NN would have made sure he felt this way.  Pisses me off! >:(

OK, rant over.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 18, 2013, 16:42
It was a good rant.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 18, 2013, 16:54
Sure was!

Thanks, who me? !!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 18, 2013, 18:00
I really dislike the "pulled it in" crap, unfortunately, so many people see addiction as a moral failing and figure the person brought the misery on themselves.

A jury will need to be educated on addiction, and on the fact that someone trying to recover has a rough time with all the support in the world, and every point that NN is short of the ideal becomes another hurdle to an addict's recovery. NN lied to have Patrick placed in a facility that did not meet his needs or the court requirements. NN set him up for failure when they did not provide appropriate rehab or any skills to deal with his addiction, and sent him home with a high relapse risk (which he did).

Patrick may have known he was in an inappropriate place but what options did he have? Reporting this to his parents would have NN saying addicts lie when they do not want to be in rehab. Reporting it to the court was a big unknown, would he go to jail? or would he be back in the position of trying to find another rehab after his parents already spent so much money? Either way, he would have felt he failed his parents, or NN would have made sure he felt this way.  Pisses me off! >:(

OK, rant over.

I love your rant, who me?. Pisses me off too!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 18, 2013, 18:07
Yes, the girl whose sister shot her up with heroin at age 5 "pulled it in".  True story.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 18, 2013, 18:45
Yes, the girl whose sister shot her up with heroin at age 5 "pulled it in".  True story.

Now, I'm really sick.....
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 18, 2013, 19:07
Sorry, ive heard this line for a long time and it is one of the things I despise most about the church and NN way of thinking.  Ive seen too many nasty things happen to good people for this to be valid and to use it as an excuse for someone dying is despicable.  Narconons lawyers should be ashamed of themselves for trying to help NN get out being held accountable for this tragedy.

They have these business agreements so they have the authority to do what they think is needed as a separate corporation, but when something goes wrong, its like "not our fault, we are a separate corporation."  Sorry Phil Hart, you cant have it both ways. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 18, 2013, 22:58
Narconon wants wrongful death suit thrown out - WSB radio (http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/narconon-wants-wrongful-death-suit-thrown-out/nTzsf/)
By Pete Combs

Atlanta — Note:WSB’s Pete Combs has been investigating the Church of Scientology’s drug rehab program known as Narconon since the Spring of 2012. Thursday, the Norcross-based program (Narconon of Georgia) and its parent organization (Narconon International) were in court, asking a Dekalb State judge to throw out the wrongful death case against them.

David Root, a  lawyer for Narconon International, argued 28-year old Patrick Desmond has no one to blame for his death but himself.

“If you voluntarily ingest something and hurt yourself, you can’t sue,” he told Judge Stacey Hydrick during Thursday’s lengthy hearing. Desmond, a former Marine who was sentenced to in-patient drug and alcohol rehabilitation by a Florida drug court in 2007, died after drinking with a Narconon employee then shooting heroin with two former Narconon patients.

more at http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local/narconon-wants-wrongful-death-suit-thrown-out/nTzsf/
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on January 20, 2013, 11:16
A somewhat more informative report is at the AJC website:  http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/narconon-claims-no-liability-in-death-of-norcross-/nTzZq/

Lawyers making silly arguments just is not very much real news, I guess. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 20, 2013, 18:34
A somewhat more informative report is at the AJC website:  http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/narconon-claims-no-liability-in-death-of-norcross-/nTzZq/

Lawyers making silly arguments just is not very much real news, I guess.

Thanks, Witnessman. The AJC article was linked in my first post after the hearing, but it may have been updated.

Did anyone ever see anything from WSB TV?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 20, 2013, 22:29
Just call me Slowpoke.  Here are my short (LOL! after the fact) impressions from the hearing on January 17, and I may come back and add more detail when I have more time.

Narconon International's new lawyer (Jay D. Bennett of Alston & Bird) started the hearing, and I have to say, I was not impressed.  His statements ran together so badly and he spoke in such a monotone, it was difficult to follow what he said.  It may be that one of the other attorneys from the firm (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-06-NoticeOfAppearance.pdf) (William R. Mitchelson, Jr. or Daniel F. Diffley) will argue in Court, which might avoid putting the jury to sleep.  Narconon International's existing lawyer (David Root) took over after Bennett, and his presentation was no better, as far as being interesting goes.  Some things were discussed that are finer points of the law, which I, not being a lawyer, found went over my head.  These things involved pain and suffering discussion, and the requirements for RICO to apply, and it was here that the statement mentioned in the AJC article, “A plaintiff can’t take advantage of his own wrongdoing by illegally taking heroin,” was made, I believe.

They also argued that there was only one claim against NNI in the original claim, and that the jurisdiction was wrong (as both NNI and NNGa have argued since June 2010, and yet the case goes on), as NNI does not and never has done business in Georgia.  They claimed that NNI's only role was to oversee the trademarks and guard against damage to the brand, to which Judge Hydrick questioned, "Wouldn't a death be considered to be damaging to a brand?"  They responded, essentially, "No." 

I almost feel like this was a trick question, and if they had answered yes, it would have indicated oversight, but by answering no, they really illustrated that they are all about the money and that's all.   Jeff, later of course, had a document to refute their statement that they are a separate entity from NNGa; it was an agreement between NNI and NNGa that indicated that NNI would oversee the operations and compliance of NNGa.  I have seen this, but can't find which document it is in at the moment, but I think it's in the Western World docs, if not one in this Desmond thread.   

There was another lawyer present who argued for Narconon of Georgia after Bennett and Root were finished, and she sounded extremely nervous.  I can't really blame her, considering who she is having to defend.  I didn't get her name, to my regret, but probably not to hers.  (I mean you no ill, unnamed lawyer for NNGa.)  I have to wonder if higher-up lawyers pass the less pleasant clients down to the lower-on-the-totem-pole attorneys in their firms, like most companies I've worked for do with jobs they don't want to do.  There is really not much  argument that can be made for Narconon of Georgia at this point, and her argument was not memorable to me, at least not at the moment, but this may come back to me later.

Jeff Harris was, as usual, right to the point, no nonsense, and rightfully indignant about the lack of responsiveness to discovery.  There are still new documents trickling in, and documents still missing.  It's pretty obvious that evidence has either been kept hidden, or destroyed, and Jeff said he would be claiming spoliation (destruction or alteration of evidence, as I understand the term).  We got to watch a brief segment of the video depostion of Lisa Mooty, of the Florida Drug Court, telling what she was told by Mary Rieser and Tracey Stepler when the Desmonds were looking for a rehab.

At one point, when Jeff was pointing out some more undelivered documents, he said, "I'm not even going to ask for sanctions," and I don't know if he was referring to the sanctions against Narconon International that he had motioned for before, or new ones.  So I don't know what happened with the NNI Sanctions; I don't recall hearing about them.  There are some filings that I haven't seen though, except listed on the Docket, so there may be something there that addresses them.
 
Barbara Marschalk (for Narconon of Georgia) seemed like entertainment after listening to the NNI lawyers, like watching a lawyer on a soap opera.  She was very dramatic in her presentation, wringing her hands, and placing them over her heart, as she bemoaned the fate of her client, now that their answers to the initial complaint have been stricken. 

It seems like there is some kind of undercurrent running between Marschalk and the Judge that I didn't understand, nor, if I were an attorney, would I make obvious in court.  At one point, there was some discussion about Judge Hydrick's time, and Marschalk said, "That's why you make the big bucks, Judge."  I didn't get this, but then I haven't been privy to all that's happened in this unusual case.  I think if it were me, though, I wouldn't have said that.   :o

Marschalk seems upset that this case, and her client, has reached some level of fame (or infamy) in the legal community (I can only imagine!), and stated this very dramatically, as if the Court should feel sorry that she is at such a disadvantage.  All in all, though, I have a general feeling of sympathy for her because her client (Mary Rieser) has lied through her teeth to Barbara M. - this much is apparent.  Barbara Marschalk is very southern in her speaking, and, to me, seems generally likable, even if she's a little out of the ordinary for a lawyer.

Judge Hydrick is very expressive with her facial expressions as she listens - I don't know if she's aware of that or not.  I think she gets how bad this is.  Totally.  I think she is making sure everything is absolutely to the letter of the law, so that there will be an airtight case when it's complete, and little chance of a decision being overturned on the inevitable appeal.  I hope so, anyway, and it's just my feeling.

The case definitely seems still on for February 11, with a pretrial hearing set for Feb. 4.  However, I see on the docket that NNI has made a motion for separate trials, so we'll see what happens with that:
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Docket Text Details
Case ID      10A28641
Description      MOTION
Docket Filing Date      16-JAN-2013
Associated Party      DANIEL F DIFFLEY
Text   AADINO -DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL MOTION TFOR SEPARATE TRIALS

It seems pretty much the 11th hour for these types of motions to be made, but what do I know?  I'm not a lawyer, I'm just playing one on the internet.   ;)  Hahah, not really, but I do feel like I'm playing a reporter on the internet. 

I'm out of time for tonight, so if anything occurs to me that I forgot to include, I'll come back and post it later.  I believe a lot of the points that were argued were included in the last batch of documents, so me looking over them again might bring some other stuff to mind.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 21, 2013, 08:37
This is great.  I love to read about the little nuances you dont get to read about in the papers.  If I were an attorney for the NN's I would be nervous too.  This is one of those cases that sticks with you through a career. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on January 21, 2013, 09:21
Could that motion by NN Int for a seperate trial be the first overt indication NN GA is being tossed under the bus??

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 21, 2013, 11:04
Could that motion by NN Int for a seperate trial be the first overt indication NN GA is being tossed under the bus??

 ;)

 I would imagine so BB. As this is a civil case the jury will find for or against the plaintiffs claims of wrongful death. Justice within a civil case like this sadly is centered on money. Not that the plaintiff is concerned about monetary gains which I very seriously doubt,But this is the only venue currently available to the plaintiffs in seeking justice to be had for the deceased. As Narconon of GA more than likely has zero monetary assets beyond whatever insurance coverage may exist, I'd think Narconon Int would with the possibility of a financial burden judgement to not want to be party to this particular court case ,hence the want for a separate trial.

 Narconon Int knows full well the legal position it and Narconon of GA are in. Thing is Narconon Int is inextricably tied to Narconon of GA. The plaintiffs legal team has shown this to be fact. Narconon Int wants to distance itself from what is about to happen in regard to itself and Narconon of GA. Not from a "Protection of its brand" perspective, but from the monetary burden it would experience if the judge denies it a separate trial and in fact the jury rules in favor for the plaintiff as the case is now presented .

 The judge hopefully will by law allow the jury to come to the conclusion whether Narconon Int and Narconon of GA work hand in hand. Narconon Int will fight tooth and nail in order to avoid this and not make any financial payout! A financial judgement against Narconon Int would send shock waves not only across the legal landscape,but also have implications leading up to the very steps of the so called church of scientology's front door.

 I personally would hope once this case goes to trial it will include Narconon Int. As the state of Georgia,s DCH is moving forward on the revocation of Narconon of Georgia,s license to operate I further hope this also impedes the current scientology board of directors in attempts to open another Narconon within our state.

 We citizens must not forget how this whole sordid affair manifested itself. Scientology is the foundation on which the house of Narconon was built. High ranking scientology members both in and from outside Georgia in my opinion enabled and encouraged its Narconon arm to not only abuse the legal system,but also abuse those in need of actual aid and comfort.

 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 21, 2013, 11:27
Could that motion by NN Int for a seperate trial be the first overt indication NN GA is being tossed under the bus??

 ;)

 I would imagine so BB. As this is a civil case the jury will find for or against the plaintiffs claims of wrongful death. Justice within a civil case like this sadly is centered on money. Not that the plaintiff is concerned about monetary gains which I very seriously doubt,But this is the only venue currently available to the plaintiffs in seeking justice to be had for the deceased. As Narconon of GA more than likely has zero monetary assets beyond whatever insurance coverage may exist, I'd think Narconon Int would with the possibility of a financial burden judgement to not want to be party to this particular court case ,hence the want for a separate trial.

 Narconon Int knows full well the legal position it and Narconon of GA are in. Thing is Narconon Int is inextricably tied to Narconon of GA. The plaintiffs legal team has shown this to be fact. Narconon Int wants to distance itself from what is about to happen in regard to itself and Narconon of GA. Not from a "Protection of its brand" perspective, but from the monetary burden it would experience if the judge denies it a separate trial and in fact the jury rules in favor for the plaintiff as the case is now presented .

 The judge hopefully will by law allow the jury to come to the conclusion whether Narconon Int and Narconon of GA work hand in hand. Narconon Int will fight tooth and nail in order to avoid this and not make any financial payout! A financial judgement against Narconon Int would send shock waves not only across the legal landscape,but also have implications leading up to the very steps of the so called church of scientology's front door.

 I personally would hope once this case goes to trial it will include Narconon Int. As the state of Georgia,s DCH is moving forward on the revocation of Narconon of Georgia,s license to operate I further hope this also impedes the current scientology board of directors in attempts to open another Narconon within our state.

 We citizens must not forget how this whole sordid affair manifested itself. Scientology is the foundation on which the house of Narconon was built. High ranking scientology members both in and from outside Georgia in my opinion enabled and encouraged its Narconon arm to not only abuse the legal system,but also abuse those in need of actual aid and comfort.

Yep.  NN Int is trying to slither its way out of paying.  I hope this leads to reform in GA and brings the truth to other states NN is trying to infiltrate. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 22, 2013, 00:56
Thanks for the hearing summary, ethercat! Much appreciated!

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At one point, when Jeff was pointing out some more undelivered documents, he said, "I'm not even going to ask for sanctions," and I don't know if he was referring to the sanctions against Narconon International that he had motioned for before, or new ones. 


I think Jeff mentioned not asking for sanctions on the more recent stuff that has not been produced because they already proposed the highest level of sanctioning possible, the civil death penalty, right?

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So I don't know what happened with the NNI Sanctions; I don't recall hearing about them.  There are some filings that I haven't seen though, except listed on the Docket, so there may be something there that addresses them.

I don't believe that motion is settled. Here's why:

I believe all this is about NNI  Discovery Sanctions ( about them not providing ordered documents that relate to or were mentioned as existing while undergoing the discovery process).

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Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      MOTION
Docket Filing Date      31-OCT-2012
Associated Party      JED D MANTON
Text      
     AADINO - PLTFS MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGAINST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL

There was supposed to be a hearing Jan 4th

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Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date      15-NOV-2012
Associated Party      None
Text      
     COUNSEL FOR THE PARTIES IN THIS CASE APPEAR FOR A HEARING ON PLTF'S MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGST NARCONON INTERNATIONAL ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 4TH, 2013 AT 1:00 P.M. - TYD

NN Int asked for more time to respond to Plaintiff's motion:


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Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      STIPULATION EXTENDING TIME
Docket Filing Date      03-DEC-2012
Associated Party      JEFFREY R HARRIS
Text      
     AADINO - FOR NARCONON INTERNATIONAL TO RESPOND TO PLTFS MOTION FOR SANCTIONS

Which they then filed:

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Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      BRIEF IN OPPOSITION
Docket Filing Date      05-DEC-2012
Associated Party      CHERYL H SHAW
Text      
     AADINO - DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S BRIEF IN OPPOSITION TO PLTFS MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS

It looks like the Jan 4th hearing occurred on this matter alone . All others on the agenda were sent to Jan 17th hearing date. 

This which resulted in some kind of comprmise or agreement. A consent agreement, meaning NN Int consented to whatever the judge agreed upon as sanctions.

This was probably decided after them all reading and discussing the proposed ones the plaintiff filed originally, and NNI's objections in it's response. Plaintiff's sanctions were asking for civil death penalty, IIRC.

So this consent order ( meaning NN Int consents to whatever the sanctions are) were then sent to Plaintiff's  by NN Int's new attorney, for seeing and reading and perhaps for signing and returning:

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Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      CONSENT ORDER
Docket Filing Date      11-JAN-2013
Associated Party      JAY D BENNETT
Text      
     AADINO - PLTFS MOTION FOR DISCOVERY SANCTIONS AGAINST DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL - PLEASE SEE AND READ CONSENT ORDER

Then Jeff Harris sends a Stipulation and PROPOSED consent order to the judge on Jan 8th. This must be as a result of the Jan 4th hearing.

Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      PROPOSED ORDER
Docket Filing Date      08-JAN-2013
Associated Party      JEFFREY R HARRIS
Text      
     AADINO - STIPULATION AND ( PROPOSED ) CONSENT ORDER


So whatever both parties consented to would be the sanctions on Discovery violations. But were they signed and agreed to by NN Int, and then the judge afterwards?

Since they had been and were still going through all this on Discovery Sanctions already, perhaps Jeff stated at the Jan 17th hearing that he wasn't going to file for sanctions on the ongoing discovery violations in order to let the judge know that this behavior is still ongoing. Maybe the order has not been finalized by the judge and maybe this ongoing continued behavior by NN Int was mentioned by Jeff to let the judge know so she could do something with it. Like just sign the original sanctions proposal plaintiff sent in, disregard the one NN Int seems to not be agreeing to, and move on with the case going to trial.

Whatever it is, if sanctions were agreed to, there would be a consent order on file explaining it. Harris filed his stipulation and Proposed on Jan 8th. Perhaps he's just waiting for the judge to make her own decision on it based upon what was settled ( if settled ) or by what Harris originally proposed.
 
I could be wrong. I am not a lawyer, either, lol

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 22, 2013, 07:22
Thanks for the hearing summary, ethercat! Much appreciated!

You're welcome.

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So I don't know what happened with the NNI Sanctions; I don't recall hearing about them.  There are some filings that I haven't seen though, except listed on the Docket, so there may be something there that addresses them.

I don't believe that motion is settled. Here's why:

...

It looks like the Jan 4th hearing occurred on this matter alone . All others on the agenda were sent to Jan 17th hearing date. 

This which resulted in some kind of comprmise or agreement. A consent agreement, meaning NN Int consented to whatever the judge agreed upon as sanctions.

...

So whatever both parties consented to would be the sanctions on Discovery violations. But were they signed and agreed to by NN Int, and then the judge afterwards?

Since they had been and were still going through all this on Discovery Sanctions already, perhaps Jeff stated at the Jan 17th hearing that he wasn't going to file for sanctions on the ongoing discovery violations in order to let the judge know that this behavior is still ongoing. Maybe the order has not been finalized by the judge and maybe this ongoing continued behavior by NN Int was mentioned by Jeff to let the judge know so she could do something with it. Like just sign the original sanctions proposal plaintiff sent in, disregard the one NN Int seems to not be agreeing to, and move on with the case going to trial.

Whatever it is, if sanctions were agreed to, there would be a consent order on file explaining it. Harris filed his stipulation and Proposed on Jan 8th. Perhaps he's just waiting for the judge to make her own decision on it based upon what was settled ( if settled ) or by what Harris originally proposed.
 
I could be wrong. I am not a lawyer, either, lol

You may be right, Mary, there may be an agreement pending.  There may have been talks and/or conferences outside of the official record, but I am fairly certain that no (public) hearing occurred on January 4:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-12-11-NoticeOfHearing.pdf

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NOTICE OF HEARING
It hereby is ordered that counsel for the parties and for non-party respondent Deb
Danos appear before this Court at 10:00 a.m. on Thursday, January 17, 2013, in
courtroom 2A of the DeKalb County Judicial Tower, to show cause why Plaintiff's
Motion for Discovery Sanctions against Narconon International; Plaintiff's Motion to
Compel Against Non-Party Deb Danos; Narconon of Georgia, lnc.,'s Motion for
Judgment on the Pleadings, or in the Alternative, Motion for Summary Judgment or
Partial Summary Judgment; and Narconon International's Motion for Judgment on the
Pleadings, or in the Alternative, for Summary Judgment on All Claims and Motion to
Dismiss for Lack of Personal Jurisdiction should not be granted. In the interest of
judicial economy, the previously-scheduled January 4, 2013 hearing in this case is
postponed until January 17, 2013.


IT IS SO ORDERED, this 10 day of December, 2012.

Bolding mine.

Now that I'm reading over that again, I don't recall hearing anything having to do with Deb Danos either - she was not present in court, nor was anyone there who stood up to speak for her.  Perhaps the speculated agreement included something about that too.
 ???
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 22, 2013, 08:05
 read that, and was under the belief that the 17th hearing would go over all that. But you say t didn't. Perhaps some of those items were rescheduled for another dy, just as the clerk told you the hearing time on the 17th had been moved up to 1pm instead of early am.

I seriously doubt the Deb Danos matter had anything to do with the consent order. Deb Danos is a 'non-party' who must fend on her own, separately. Her's is related to the ongoing Clarke 'non party' matter'

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Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      RESPONSE
Docket Filing Date      17-JAN-2013
Associated Party      JEFFREY R HARRIS
Text      
     AADINO - PLTF'S RESPONSE TO NON-PARTY CHUCK CLARKE'S OBJECTION TO AND MOTION TO QUASH PENDING SUBPOENA AND BRIEF IN SUPPORT
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 23, 2013, 10:29
I just got word from a very reliable source that Mary Rieser has been at Flag in Clearwater for several weeks and no sign of her immediate return.  I'm assuming she is getting sec-checked within and inch of her life and to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars at her expense and also getting her Committee of Evidence.  She was summoned there after the WSB series ran, I believe prior to the protest and the sanctions being announced.

She may have her license stripped from her for being caught lying publicly (apparently they only think its bad if you get caught) and bankrupting NN GA - because the church, ABLE and Narconon all need a scapegoat and she's it for this tragedy.  It enables the higher organizations to not have to be responsible to pin it all on her.  I'd be very surprised if NN GA as it is still exists in six months, and I bet they try to do a new corporation/ restructuring with a different executive director and board of directors.  If May was smart (which she is not), then she should run now and tell all she can before they completely waste her like a snotty tissue.

I got a tip today from an unnamed source that

'Mary Rieser resigned last week from NNGA and is in Clearwater  ( I assume cleaning a dumpster with a toothbrush.) '

Anyone hear anything about this?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 23, 2013, 10:40
FLAG is helping her.  Its only costing her $9800 for every 12 hours of auditing, but they are there to help.  Toothbrush cleaning is covered in policy.  Its standard tech now.

Sorry to make light of her situation, umm, no im not.  She should be in jail for negligence resulting in the death of another.

To answer your question, no.  I havent heard anything.  Jeannie being at the helm at GA is no better than Mary.  Hopefully GA shuts them down quick. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 23, 2013, 10:53
FLAG is helping her.  Its only costing her $9800 for every 12 hours of auditing, but they are there to help.  Toothbrush cleaning is covered in policy.  Its standard tech now.

Sorry to make light of her situation, umm, no im not.  She should be in jail for negligence resulting in the death of another.

To answer your question, no.  I havent heard anything.  Jeannie being at the helm at GA is no better than Mary.  Hopefully GA shuts them down quick.

Thanks.
Who is Jeanne?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 23, 2013, 10:59
Forget it. I see who in the other thread, in CoolHand's post this morning

Luke had said she was busy getting spanked at FLAG around that time.

I've had various reports of Mary's whereabouts, though I guess timing wasn't specific.  It is my understanding though that Jeannie Trahant is now the acting Executive Director at Narconon Georgia.  There is clearly some plan of action in place from Narconon International if Jeannie is there.  Will it be to facilitate the transfer of students somewhere (as Jeannie did for Narconon Sacramento in 2005), or will it be to form a new corporation in Georgia?  Not sure, but the Narconon trademark license was issued to Mary, so if she's not at the helm anymore, chances are likely they're moving along with their plan B and have given up hope that NN of GA will come through this series blows - the DCH license revocation, the Desmond case, and one or two other things looming...
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 23, 2013, 11:29
Who is Jeannie Trahant?  Is she from Narconon International? 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 23, 2013, 11:33
She goes out on project for nn int.  i think she was one of the first grads of the program.  OT blah blah....
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 23, 2013, 12:04
She goes out on project for nn int.  i think she was one of the first grads of the program.  OT blah blah....

She's was working at of Narconon Freedom center.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeanne-trahant/18/640/aa

For a while now. But I guess they asked her to transfer.

Most likely the request came through NN EUS and from them to Jeanne.

She's Larry Trahant's exwife. He's a longtime exec at Narconon Fresh Start formerly Narconon  Southern California.

She is named as a defendent in various lawsuits:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Documents/chimblo-complaint-1996-06-26.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/107223589/Narconon-Stamps-v-Narconon
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 23, 2013, 13:29
She goes out on project for nn int.  i think she was one of the first grads of the program.  OT blah blah....

Oh, this is interesting.  I guess if Narconon International is sending someone (Jeannie Trahant) to run a Narconon when an Executive Director (Mary Rieser) resigns, that puts the truth to the lie about the connections between the two. 

I wouldn't think McDonalds Inc. sends someone out to each of the local franchises when an owner gives it up.  I would think it just closes down, and it's the franchise owner's responsibility to do all the final shutdown procedures.

And Narconon International says their concern is protection of the brand.  I hope the Desmond team sees this.   ;D

Thank you for the extra background, Mary.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 23, 2013, 17:20
There are a few more docket items today:

ORDER FILED
23-JAN-2013
Non-Party Chuck Clarke's Objection To And Motion To Quash Pending Subpoena - Granted-TYD
No
ORDER FILED
23-JAN-2013
Pltfs' Motion To Compel Agst Non-Party Deb Danos - Granted-Tyd
No

RULE 5.2 CERTIFICATE
23-JAN-2013
Def Narconon Of Georgia Inc's Supplemental Responses To Pltfs First Reqt for Prod of Docs
Yes
REPLY
22-JAN-2013
Narconon of Georgia Inc's Reply Brief in Support of its Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings, or in the Alternative, Motion for Summary Judgment or Part
Yes

RESPONSE
17-JAN-2013
Pltf's Response to Non-Party Chuck Clarke'S Objection to and Motion to Quash Pending Subpoena and Brief In Support
Yes
MOTION
17-JAN-2013
For Order Allowing Def Narconon International to Bring and Install Certin Multimedia Equipment for Use at the Jan 17, 2013 Hearing - W/Exhibit Proposed Order
Yes

ORDER FILED
16-JAN-2013
Allowing Pltfs to Install and Bring Certain Multimedia Equipment for Use at the Jan 17, 2013 Hearing - Tyd
No
REPLY
16-JAN-2013
Def Narconon International's Reply Brief in Support of its Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings, or in the Alternative, for Summary Judgment on All Claims and Motion to Dismiss for Lack of Personal Jurisdiction
Yes

MOTION
16-JAN-2013
Def Narconon International Motion for Separate Trials
Yes
MEMORANDUM
16-JAN-2013
Def Narconon International's Memorandum of Law in Support of Motion for Separate Trials
Yes

ORDER FILED
16-JAN-2013
Allowing Deft Narconon International to Bring and Install Certain Multimedia Equipment for Use at the Jan 17, 2013 Hearing - Tyd
No
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 23, 2013, 17:57
Thanks, snippy!

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Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 23, 2013, 18:33


 ;D

Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date      23-JAN-2013
Associated Party      None
Text      
     PLTFS' MOTION TO COMPEL AGST NON-PARTY DEB DANOS - GRANTED/TYD
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 23, 2013, 18:57
Right, if anyone wants to explain the good stuff here, you certainly won't insult my intelligence. It's all Greek to me.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on January 23, 2013, 19:10
The Deb Danos part could be interesting.  She was on a personal mission to attack Mary and NN GA in 2009 or 2010.  She wrote in reports to Narconon East US that Mary was taking staff away from the church and was a drain and a problem.  I don't know how many staff left the church to work at Narconon, but I was only aware of a couple.  One was Tracey Steppler, then she and her husband Merle and her ex-brother-in-law Fritz Alders ran a referral group for NN GA after that.

She also said Mary was "out-PR" because she claimed she could talk to animals.  Deb protested that she wished there wasn't a Narconon in GA (seconded), but that wouldn't fly because it's part of David Miscavige's plan of having an "Ideal Org" in a city, to have multiple church groups such as Narconon supporting it, since they're all connected.

I also thought of something else today.  When Narconon of Georgia shuts down and files for bankruptcy to not have to pay the damages awarded (8 figures, for sure), then the judge should be able to order the church to cover at least some or all of the difference, because NN GA is listed as at least a "Silver Humanitarian" for the Atlanta Ideal Org fundraising project and gave roughly $250,000, if not more.

Lots of stuff happening in the general arena, and with the trial less than three weeks away, I think stuff will start happening at an even more rapid pace.  Stay tuned!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 23, 2013, 21:21
The Deb Danos part could be interesting.  She was on a personal mission to attack Mary and NN GA in 2009 or 2010.  She wrote in reports to Narconon East US that Mary was taking staff away from the church and was a drain and a problem.  I don't know how many staff left the church to work at Narconon, but I was only aware of a couple.  One was Tracey Steppler, then she and her husband Merle and her ex-brother-in-law Fritz Alders ran a referral group for NN GA after that.

She also said Mary was "out-PR" because she claimed she could talk to animals. Deb protested that she wished there wasn't a Narconon in GA (seconded), but that wouldn't fly because it's part of David Miscavige's plan of having an "Ideal Org" in a city, to have multiple church groups such as Narconon supporting it, since they're all connected.

I also thought of something else today.  When Narconon of Georgia shuts down and files for bankruptcy to not have to pay the damages awarded (8 figures, for sure), then the judge should be able to order the church to cover at least some or all of the difference, because NN GA is listed as at least a "Silver Humanitarian" for the Atlanta Ideal Org fundraising project and gave roughly $250,000, if not more.

Lots of stuff happening in the general arena, and with the trail less than three weeks away, I think stuff will start happening at an even more rapid pace.  Stay tuned!

 ;D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 23, 2013, 22:42
Right, if anyone wants to explain the good stuff here, you certainly won't insult my intelligence. It's all Greek to me.

Yes, it is important to remember that we have people reading (not all necessarily registered members) who don't know the depth of what some of us know, so a bit of explanation along with new info wouldn't hurt, and would help not only the lurkers' understanding, but also that of some of our valuable participating members (like snippy).    L-O-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 24, 2013, 01:02
 Y--O-||   ;D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 24, 2013, 05:45
Quote
Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      RESPONSE
Docket Filing Date      17-JAN-2013
Associated Party      JEFFREY R HARRIS
Text      
     AADINO - PLTF'S RESPONSE TO NON-PARTY CHUCK CLARKE'S OBJECTION TO AND MOTION TO QUASH PENDING SUBPOENA AND BRIEF IN SUPPORT

More about Chuck Clarke's probationer, Randall Shively, another Narconon Success Story:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12196.msg28827.html#msg28827

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 24, 2013, 06:56
http://www.scribd.com/doc/107223589/Narconon-Stamps-v-Narconon

Lookie here.  In this lawsuit from the 90s, Jeannie Trahant says in her Affidavit, page 21:
Quote
2.  I am the executive director if Narconon Los Angeles. Narconon Los Angeles is a dba of Narconon International, which itself is a licensee of Able International...

Too bad there's no such "mistake" in the declarations related to this case. 

Right, if anyone wants to explain the good stuff here, you certainly won't insult my intelligence. It's all Greek to me.

If you can point to some of the "good stuff" you don't understand, I'll do my best to explain it. 

Guessing this may be part of it: Deb Danos is (or was) the DSA (the local OSA representative) and was the Executive Director of CoS of Georgia.  This means she's responsible for the "church", which we know is inextricably tied to Narconon of Georgia, which is inextricably and provably tied to Narconon International, which is documentedly tied to ABLE, which...  yada yada yada.   :D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on January 28, 2013, 22:59
Right, if anyone wants to explain the good stuff here, you certainly won't insult my intelligence. It's all Greek to me.

This is good stuff: 

http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-10-31-PlaintiffsMotionToCompelAgainstNonParty.pdf

The Desmonds filed a Motion to force Deb Danos, the head of the Scientology Church in Atlanta, to produce documents and testify regarding her and the Church's involvement with preventing Mary Rieser from fully controlling Maria Delgado's operation of the unlicensed and illegal housing operation, which is the violation that has now, finally caused DCH to start the process of putting Narconon of GA out of business. 

And on 1/23, the Court granted this Motion.

If you haven't actually read Mary Rieser's Things That Shouldn't Be document, you should.  It is attached to the Motion.  What it describes is the chaos and constant issue of lack of discipline at housing, the known heroin problem at housing, and Mary herself deciding things were so bad that she needed to prowl around housing late at night, calling the cops on one occasion about a drug dealer who was dropping off heroin, and feeling the students were in danger and it was a dangerous scene. The time period covered is the 3 months immediately prior to Patrick Desmond's death and the entire thrust of the document is Mary trying to blame the local Church for its meddling, not having enough information to understand the whole dynamics and ramifications of messing with and being all up in her business of managing housing.

Mr. Harris, attorney for the Desmonds, for some strange reason, apparently thinks all of this just might be helpful to his case.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on January 28, 2013, 23:04
Thanks - I can pick through this. So many docs, this really helps. (I didn't get the Deb Danos connection before.)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 29, 2013, 20:28
Twitter  5:18 PM - 29 Jan 13

 Pete Combs ‏@Reporterpete

Facing court battle over patient death, license revocation and insurance fraud investigation, Exec. Dir. Mary Reiser out at Narconon of Ga


According to Pete, "Barbara Marschalk, Narconon’s attorney in the Desmond case, confirms Mary Reiser has resigned as executive director of Narconon of Georgia."
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 29, 2013, 20:38
This is good, but having Jeanne Trahant as her replacement doesnt seem to be any better for them. Seems she has a history of lying and underhanded dealings also.  Not a smart move NN int.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 29, 2013, 21:05
This is good, but having Jeanne Trahant as her replacement doesnt seem to be any better for them. Seems she has a history of lying and underhanded dealings also.  Not a smart move NN int.

I don't think she is going to be there for very long, nor the facility. Their license is going to be revoked and now they are under investigation for insurance fraud.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 29, 2013, 21:26
This is good, but having Jeanne Trahant as her replacement doesnt seem to be any better for them. Seems she has a history of lying and underhanded dealings also.  Not a smart move NN int.

I don't think she is going to be there for very long, nor the facility. Their license is going to be revoked and now they are under investigation for insurance fraud.

Thats good news also!  Bout damn time nn got hit for fraud.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 29, 2013, 22:38
Thats good news also!  Bout damn time nn got hit for fraud.

LOL! I know!!

__________________________________

Note to readers:

The media effort to investigate Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International is spearheaded by three reporters: Christian Boone of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Jodie Fleischer at WSB-TV and Pete Combs at WSB Radio. They’ve worked together in a unique collaborative venture to dig through mountains of data on Narconon and continue their investigation now, five months after it began.

Thursday, their stories will appear in the AJC (www.ajc.com), on WSB Channel 2 Action News (www.wsbtv.com) and on News-Talk WSB (www.wsbradio.com).
You can search the web for their stories. WSB Radio Reporter Pete Combs’ stories are aggregated here: www.wsbradio.com/s/narconon
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 30, 2013, 08:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thls_tMuFkc

For Patrick.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 30, 2013, 10:30
Love it, BMF.

Here's more good news:
Narconon is in BIG trouble
Posted: 4:30 a.m. Thursday, Jan. 31, 2013
by WSB Radio Pete Combs
Narconon of Georgia and allegations of insurance fraud.
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/special-reports/narconon-georgia-and-allegations-insurance-fraud/nT9nT/

update:

Scientology’s Atlanta Drug Rehab Crumbling: Executive Director Mary Rieser Out by Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker

Quote
We’ve commented in the past how remarkable it is that some of Atlanta’s local news outlets have banded together to keep a close watch on one of Scientology’s more intriguing messes going on there.

Pete Combs of WSB Radio, Jodie Fleischer of WSB-TV, and Christian Boone of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution have coordinated their coverage as a wrongful death and civil racketeering lawsuit has exposed shocking improprieties at Scientology’s drug rehab center in Atlanta, known as Narconon Georgia.

With a trial looming, the case has been going terribly for Scientology, and the state has announced its intention to revoke the facility’s license and shut the place down....
Read on for more
http://tonyortega.org/2013/01/30/scientologys-atlanta-drug-rehab-crumbling-executive-director-mary-rieser-out/

One of my fav quotes from it:
Quote
The dogged researchers over at the Reaching for the Tipping Point Forum, meanwhile, keep digging up remarkable documents in the case, and one they posted recently may help explain why Scientology needed Rieser to skeedaddle, and why things may not go very well for Narconon when the trial starts on February 11.

lol!!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 30, 2013, 17:33
This is great news.  How the hell did she justify charging over $150k (this is more than Passages Malibu) for one program AND charging the family $15k?  The attorney just committed career suicide by making that statement about how they follow all the rules.  Stoooooooopid.

Good job you dogged researchers.  Ruff Ruff.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 30, 2013, 19:07
This is great news.  How the hell did she justify charging over $150k (this is more than Passages Malibu) for one program AND charging the family $15k?  The attorney just committed career suicide by making that statement about how they follow all the rules.  Stoooooooopid.

Good job you dogged researchers.  Ruff Ruff.

They billed out for physician visits that never occurred. At NN GA, they wuld transport patients to the doctor of they needed to go see one. The rehab fee only included initial checkup to be ok'd to do the program, and possible blood work re-checkup as needed. Most people went 2x to the physician, max. But these typical visits were supposed to be included in the $15,000 fee. Fees for other medical issues were to be billed to the patient's insurance or paid by the patient or family if no insurance existed. In this case, from what I saw, the insurance was billed for intensive outpatient therapy services per day for looks like 6 months,  and many days of partial hospitalization (at the beginning  early on in the billing and towards the last billing.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 30, 2013, 19:23
This is great news.  How the hell did she justify charging over $150k (this is more than Passages Malibu) for one program AND charging the family $15k?  The attorney just committed career suicide by making that statement about how they follow all the rules.  Stoooooooopid.

Good job you dogged researchers.  Ruff Ruff.

They billed out for physician visits that never occurred. At NN GA, they wuld transport patients to the doctor of they needed to go see one. The rehab fee only included initial checkup to be ok'd to do the program, and possible blood work re-checkup as needed. Most people went 2x to the physician, max. But these typical visits were supposed to be included in the $15,000 fee. Fees for other medical issues were to be billed to the patient's insurance or paid by the patient or family if no insurance existed. In this case, from what I saw, the insurance was billed for intensive outpatient therapy services per day for looks like 6 months,  and many days of partial hospitalization (at the beginning  early on in the billing and towards the last billing.

If they billed for services not rendered, that's enough for insurance fraud. I would love to know how many times they billed for Dr. Robbins after 2008. In a sworn deposition, Dr. Robbins testified that she had no affiliation with NNGA after 2008. Dr. Locarnini seems to have been taken by surprise, as well. 

It's going to be very interesting to see how this develops as the details come out.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 30, 2013, 19:28
Wow.  Narconon Int was okay with it also as they get 10% of the corrected gross income for the center.  Bet they didnt do a Board of Investigation (per the policy) on the high money statistics.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on January 30, 2013, 19:31
Wow.  Narconon Int was okay with it also as they get 10% of the corrected gross income for the center.  Bet they didnt do a Board of Investigation (per the policy) on the high money statistics.

LOL! I'm sure you're right about that.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on January 30, 2013, 20:09
Random thought from staring at way too many NN IRS Form 990's...

If a big chunk of the revenue reported on the 990's was illegally obtained as a direct result of insurance fraud, does that jam NN up with the IRS for including illegally obtained revenue on the 990??

And if deductions are being listed against that illegally obtained revenue to make the number come out right for maintaining 501(c)3 status, does that constitute Federal tax fraud??

Since NN is a "secular" program (yeah, right!) the IRS shouldn't be worried about 'religous entanglement' if they start looking, along with state Insurance Commissioners, at exactly where that "Revenue for Services" money came from, should they??

My, my, my, narCONon went and punched that there 'wog law' tar baby now didn't they?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 30, 2013, 20:37
The IRS filings are a good place to be looking actually.  Its a good way to shut the door on them should inconsistencies be pointed out to the IRS.  They did after all lose out on a billion or so when the church got exempt.  Sure they didnt forget.  Sent you a PM also with some more info.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 31, 2013, 13:46
Actually, they are required to report their illegal income from insurance fraud:

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch12.html
Quote
Illegal activities.   Income from illegal activities, such as money from dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21, or on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ (Form 1040) if from your self-employment activity.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on January 31, 2013, 14:41
I can see them doing that.  "We scammed the insurance company out of x dollars.  The ethical thing to do is pay taxes on it.  Thats what LRH would have done."
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on January 31, 2013, 15:19
 :-D^\^\
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 31, 2013, 22:55
Free to Shine beat me to posting this to ESMB tonite! 
Jodie Fleischer WSB TV report!!

Quote
Criminal case opened against Narconon rehab

There is a video here:
http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/criminal-case-opened-against-narconon-rehab/vpfsh/

Narconon Georgia is being looked into for fraud, billing insurance companies for services already paid for or falsely billed.

This is big!
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?30374-Criminal-case-opened-against-Narconon-rehab
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 03, 2013, 22:26
The Narconons are really on the run now.  NN Ga has filed to exclude numerous things from the trial:

DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S MOTION TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF DR SUSAN BLANK
DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S MOTION TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF DR STEPHEN KENT
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE THE TESTIMONY OF FRANCIS W RUSHING (they're so nervous about this one they filed it multiple times)
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF PLTFS EXPERTS
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE RUMORS REGARDING THE NIGHT OF PATRICK W DESMOND'S DEATH
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF INSURANCE BILLING PRACTICES
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES OR ARGUMENT FROM PLTF'S COUNSEL THAT THE DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC COULD HAVE HAD PATRICK DESMOND DETAINED OR ARRESTED FOR PROBATION VIOLATION
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF HYPOTHETICAL ACTIONS BY THE DEKALB COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT
DEF'SNARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT COUNSEL FROM METIONING PRE-TRIAL DISCOVERY DISPUTES
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT EXCUSING PATRICK W DESMOND'S CONDUCT DUE TO INTOXICATION
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE ITS CONDUCT AND/OR REPRESENTATIONS TO PLTFS AFTER PATRICK DESMOND 'S DEATH
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE ON MULTIPLE GROUNDS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT REGARDING FAILURE TO RESTRAIN PATRICK W DESMOND
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE ALL PROMOTIONAL, MARKETING AND ADVERTISING MATERIALS NOT SPECIFICALLY RELIED UPON BY PATRICK W DESMOND OR PLTFS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE REFERENCES TO THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
 DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF DEATHS, INCIDENTS, OR CLAIMS INVOLVING OTHER NARCONON CENTERS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF OPERATIONS AT ANOTHER NARCONON CENTERS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE POST-INCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS BY DEF
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE UNRELATED KNOWLEGE REPORTS AND REPORTS OF PROBLEMS WITH STUDENTS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE IRRELEVANT DHR CITATION

desperation much?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on February 03, 2013, 22:35
Def Narconon of Gerogia Incs Motion to Exclude All Sense of Responsibility For Crimes Committed-DENIED
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Watcher2 on February 03, 2013, 23:33
Love, love, love this one...
"DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE ALL PROMOTIONAL, MARKETING AND ADVERTISING MATERIALS NOT SPECIFICALLY RELIED UPON BY PATRICK W DESMOND OR PLTFS"

My translation:
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION to exclude the fact that they STILL can't get all the advertising fixed, being that it continues to show they represent the program as residential.
 :-----|

By the way I would like to thank everyone here for the work they do.  I don't post much but I check the forum often. I appreciate the work that goes into both the forum and fighting to make things right for those who turn to rehabs to improve their lives.
  :-thanks-:
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on February 04, 2013, 02:43
Finally - our short list of "must-reads" - thank you Narconon lawyers.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 04, 2013, 07:11
You all are too funny!!  ;D
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on February 04, 2013, 07:17
Narconon is scared.  :o
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 04, 2013, 07:45
Quote
Motion in limine
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
In U.S. law, a motion in limine (Latin: "at the start") (pronounced \in-ˈlē-mi-ˌne\) is a written "request" or motion to a judge that can be used for civil or criminal proceedings, and at the State or Federal level. A frequent use is at a pre-trial hearing or during an actual trial, requesting that the judge rule that certain testimony regarding evidence or information may be included or excluded. The motion is always discussed outside the presence of the jury and is always decided by a judge. The reasons for the motions are wide and varied, but probably the most frequent use of the motion in limine in a criminal trial is to shield the jury from information concerning the defendant that could possibly be unfairly prejudicial to him if heard at trial.[1] Some others arise under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure for failure to comply with discovery.[2][3][4]

A motion in limine is used to get a ruling to allow for the inclusion of evidence, not only to get a ruling as to whether or not evidence will be precluded from trial.

Such a motion or order is said to be "in limine", which one commentary states is Latin for "at the outset" They are made "preliminary", and it is presented for consideration of the judge (or arbitrator or hearing officer) to be decided without before the merits are reached.[5]:791

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_in_limine
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 04, 2013, 09:17
The Narconons are really on the run now.  NN Ga has filed to exclude numerous things from the trial:

DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S MOTION TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF DR SUSAN BLANK
DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S MOTION TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF DR STEPHEN KENT
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE THE TESTIMONY OF FRANCIS W RUSHING (they're so nervous about this one they filed it multiple times)
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF PLTFS EXPERTS
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE RUMORS REGARDING THE NIGHT OF PATRICK W DESMOND'S DEATH
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF INSURANCE BILLING PRACTICES
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES OR ARGUMENT FROM PLTF'S COUNSEL THAT THE DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC COULD HAVE HAD PATRICK DESMOND DETAINED OR ARRESTED FOR PROBATION VIOLATION
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF HYPOTHETICAL ACTIONS BY THE DEKALB COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT
DEF'SNARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT COUNSEL FROM METIONING PRE-TRIAL DISCOVERY DISPUTES
DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT EXCUSING PATRICK W DESMOND'S CONDUCT DUE TO INTOXICATION
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE ITS CONDUCT AND/OR REPRESENTATIONS TO PLTFS AFTER PATRICK DESMOND 'S DEATH
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE ON MULTIPLE GROUNDS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT REGARDING FAILURE TO RESTRAIN PATRICK W DESMOND
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE ALL PROMOTIONAL, MARKETING AND ADVERTISING MATERIALS NOT SPECIFICALLY RELIED UPON BY PATRICK W DESMOND OR PLTFS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE REFERENCES TO THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY
 DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF DEATHS, INCIDENTS, OR CLAIMS INVOLVING OTHER NARCONON CENTERS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF OPERATIONS AT ANOTHER NARCONON CENTERS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE POST-INCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS BY DEF
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE UNRELATED KNOWLEGE REPORTS AND REPORTS OF PROBLEMS WITH STUDENTS
DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE IRRELEVANT DHR CITATION

desperation much?

 Interesting. This is the 'Hail Mary" of legal plea,s. Meaning, we the defense need these things stricken in order to have a snow balls chance before a jury.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 04, 2013, 09:36
LOL!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 04, 2013, 10:06
I love these two:

Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date      23-JAN-2013
Associated Party      None
Text      
     PLTFS' MOTION TO COMPEL AGST NON-PARTY DEB DANOS - GRANTED/TYD

Docket Text Details

Case ID      10A28641
Description      ORDER FILED
Docket Filing Date      31-JAN-2013
Associated Party      None
Text      
     REGARDING THE AUGUST 13, 2009 KNOWLEDGE REPORT BY DEB DANOS - TYD

(I have no idea what TYD means that would fit.)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on February 04, 2013, 17:46
TYD is probably a clerk's initials. Good to see the motion granted.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 04, 2013, 20:18
  2/04/2013

  The Desmond family vs Narconon of Georgia,Narconon International, et al Pre-trial hearing.

  Defendant Narconon International asked for a continuance. Motion denied. Narconon International asked to be severed from the current case and requested a separate trial. Motion denied.

  Jury selection will begin on monday February 11th at 9:00 A.M. Media to pool. One camera allowed in the courtroom.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on February 04, 2013, 20:43
Tick tock, tick tock NN GA and NN Int...... :^--^clock: 8:O8P|()
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 04, 2013, 20:59
TYD is probably a clerk's initials. Good to see the motion granted.

Thanks, mefree :)

  2/04/2013

  The Desmond family vs Narconon of Georgia,Narconon International, et al Pre-trial hearing.

  Defendant Narconon International asked for a continuance. Motion denied. Narconon International asked to be severed from the current case and requested a separate trial. Motion denied.

  Jury selection will begin on monday February 11th at 9:00 A.M. Media to pool. One camera allowed in the courtroom.

Yippee!! Thank you ST!!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 04, 2013, 22:10
I have some notes I took too, but it will be tomorrow before I can make a post about it.  My, my, how those NN lawyers do go on.  And on.  And on...  It was 6:30pm or later before it was over today!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on February 04, 2013, 22:32
Y'all, thanks for keeping an eye on these guys.   J-:B

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Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 05, 2013, 11:19
 Though I took copious note, 17+ pages actually, I feel EC has far more eloquent writing skills than I do. Ergo, I will wait until that time in order to go more in-depth with my take on what happened during this pre trial hearing. Then I will add to the discussion.

 Here are some small tidbits I feel I can touch on.

 Most of the recent motions filed by the defendants counsel that I personally deemed as important on the plaintiffs behalf were denied by the judge. Meaning the expert testimony of DR. Kent and Dr. Blank. Their testimony will go forward as will Dr. Rushing.

 Scientology can be referenced before the jury as deemed by the judge in a fashion that is fair to all sides involved as that topic is relevant to the case. A large segment of time was allotted to NNInt defense counsel in its attempt for a continuance and or separate trial.

 From my observations as a non legal expert,I have never seen a legal team (NNInt) so unprepared for a case that IS starting on monday of next week. It seemed they were hedging bets that the judge would allow a continuance or separate trial. That in of itself floored this poster. Reason I say this revealed itself later in the pre trial hearing. NNInt claims to have more than 5 expert witnesses,Yet were not able to either name them or tell the judge what type of professional credentials they had.

 It appeared the NNInt counsel was sandbagging the court.

 This to my understand is a very big issue per the discovery process as counsel for the plaintiff never knew of these experts and never had the opportunity to depose. Then there is the matter of a list of 10 potential former NN of GA ? Witnesses that could be called. Once again from the way I interpret it,counsel for the plaintiff was not made aware of these individuals,whom they are and ergo unable to depose.

 Do understand that sanctions placed on Narconon of Georgia pretty much muzzles any form of defense. N of G,s horse in this race fell by the wayside with those sanctions being deemed appropriate.

 NNInt will now reap what was sown by N of GA. IMHO both parties will be shown to be inseparable and equal in culpability.

 Some things that surprised me. Involuntary manslaughter, Influencing of witnesses, Wire Fraud, Mail Fraud and Racketeering were mentioned. Insurance fraud was mentioned,yet this was due to recent news reports. That particular alleged insurance fraud event is not party to this case.

 Thats about it on my end for the moment. Once EC gives her feedback, I'll add more as I glean more for my notes.

 Oh, there was a $950,000.00 and $50,000.00 settlement tendered from the defense side. I do not know from whom or why. It was not accepted by plaintiff,s counsel.

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Correction on my part

 These names were mentioned as expert witnesses for the defense. The spelling may not be correct therefore I make no claims as to the accuracy of the spelling of or who these individuals may or may not be.

 Dr. David Root

 Dr. Addie. Spelling?

 Dr. Sternquist. Spelling?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on February 05, 2013, 11:28
$950,000.00 + $50,000.0 = $1,000,000.00 settlement offer tells me they are indeed scared out of their shorts on this one.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: CoolHand on February 05, 2013, 12:22
Thanks ST.  Dr. David Root is on the Narconon International Science Advisory Board and wrote an intro to a special edition of Clear Body, Clear Mind for Narcnon.  Dr. Rohit Adi is the medical director at Narconon Louisiana and is a Scientologist.  I'm not sure about the other one - probably a medical director for another Narconon center or something.

As for the settlement offer, that was more like an insult.  This case has been going on for years and that probably wouldn't even cover the attorney's expenses I bet.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on February 05, 2013, 14:30
NN Int....uh, we want a separate trial, but will offer this settlement too just in case.  They know they are screwed.  Good job Jeff and team for not taking the easy road.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 05, 2013, 15:55
NN Int....uh, we want a separate trial, but will offer this settlement too just in case.  They know they are screwed.  Good job Jeff and team for not taking the easy road.

BTW, NN of Georgia offered the settlement, not NN Int. Ethercat has more details and notes on this and the hearing, as well.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 05, 2013, 20:37
Ok, I've got some more to write up soon, but I think the $950,000/$50,000 thing needs some clarification first, so I'll go ahead and post this.

When is a settlement not a settlement?  When it's a high-low agreement.

The way this $950,000 payment works is this.

Narconon of Georgia has no money themselves, they don't own the building they occupy, they're about to be shut down by DCH, the "resigned" Executive Director Mary Rieser will probably be going to jail once the insurance fraud investigation is over (possibly along with her other Narconon of Georgia Executive buddies, the CFO and the Secretary), and if not, Davey has a place for her (them?) to go.  Not a lot of chance there for future income from which to extract payment for a judgement.  However, they do have insurance with Western World Insurance, which, thus far, has not gotten a declaratory judgment to avoid paying out on their client, Narconon of Georgia.

Narconon of Georgia has also lost their ability to defend themselves against the Initial Complaint, and the only thing left for them to defend is the Amended Complaint, the RICO claims.  However, they are still an important part of the case, strategically speaking, for the Plaintiffs' side.  If they were allowed to remove themselves from the case entirely, Narconon International would be able to finger point at Narconon of Georgia in front of the jury, convince the jury that it was all their fault, and Narconon of Georgia wouldn't be there to defend themselves against that finger pointing.  So it helps the Plaintiffs to have them still involved in the case.

Narconon of Georgia (through their lawyers) has made an agreement to pay $950,000 of their $1,000,000 insurance coverage to the Plaintiffs, regardless of the jury's decision, but they will still take part in the trial.  If the jury finds for the Plaintiffs, Narconon of Georgia will be required to turn over the remaining $50,000 to the Plaintiffs.  If the jury finds for Narconon of Georgia (regardless of what they find with Narconon International), Narconon of Georgia will not pay the remaining $50,000, and presumably Western World Insurance will keep that (or include it as part of the payment to Drew, Eckl, and Farnham for Barbara Marschalk and Stevan Miller's work, and for Kate Whitlock's fine work in the early days, which was actually what got the first sanctions against Narconon of Georgia (that Mary Rieser would be deposed a second time at the defendant's expense).   

This also has the added benefits of 1: Narconon of Georgia will not be able to make an appeal if the verdict goes against them; and 2: the money will be collected from the insurance company without the problems Lawrence Wollersheim had when he won his case.  3: I could be wrong, but I believe this agreement does not include a gag order for the Desmonds, should they ever want to talk about this again (but after all this is over, I wouldn't blame them if they didn't).

So, when is a settlement not a settlement?  When it's a high-low agreement.  This link explains it:
How High-Low Agreements Work in a Malpractice Case (http://www.aafp.org/fpm/2007/0500/p43.html)

Ok, technically it's a type of settlement, but just not the type we're accustomed to hearing about.

More about the hearing to come soon.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on February 05, 2013, 20:43
Thanks for the clarification, EC. 

By the way, just saw this on the case docket: PLTFS MOTION TO STRIKE THE UNTIMELY DAUGBERT MOTIONS FILED BY DEFS ON DRS KENT, BLANK AND RUSHING

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daubert_standard#Daubert_motion:_timing

More:

AADINO - PLTF'S CONSOLIDATED MOTIONS IN LIMINE     Yes
 NOTICE OF FILING     05-FEB-2013     AADINO - PLTFS NOTICE OF FILING ORIGINAL TRANSCRIPT OF ISAAC ZRIHEN     Yes
 NOTICE OF DEPOSITION     05-FEB-2013     AADINO - OF ISAAC ZRIHEN (http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/i/isaac-zrihen.html)     No
 NOTICE OF DEPOSITION     05-FEB-2013     AADINO - OF JULIE DAILY     Yes
 NOTICE     05-FEB-2013     AADINO - PLTFS O C G A NOTICE OF INTENT TO INTRODUCE RECORDS AT TRIAL

Isaac Zrihen also mentioned here: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,8408.msg26192.html#msg26192
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 05, 2013, 21:05
That agreement, I suspect, is contingent on Western World not prevailing in their federal lawsuit against all parties, claiming they are not legally obligated to pay on a claim against this policy, for this case, because Patrick did not die at the Narconon facility and the housing was not covered by NN Georgia's policy.

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11114.0.html
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on February 05, 2013, 23:10
That agreement, I suspect, is contingent on Western World not prevailing in their federal lawsuit against all parties, claiming they are not legally obligated to pay on a claim against this policy, for this case, because Patrick did not die at the Narconon facility and the housing was not covered by NN Georgia's policy.

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11114.0.html

Nope.  It was being discussed at the hearing as the basis of whatever crap NNINT was trying to argue.  So, it is a done deal, in place, signed and sealed.  And not contingent on the federal case, which will likely just go away now.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 05, 2013, 23:19
That agreement, I suspect, is contingent on Western World not prevailing in their federal lawsuit against all parties, claiming they are not legally obligated to pay on a claim against this policy, for this case, because Patrick did not die at the Narconon facility and the housing was not covered by NN Georgia's policy.

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11114.0.html

Nope.  It was being discussed at the hearing as the basis of whatever crap NNINT was trying to argue.  So, it is a done deal, in place, signed and sealed.  And not contingent on the federal case, which will likely just go away now.

Says the man to my left. ;)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 05, 2013, 23:32
That agreement, I suspect, is contingent on Western World not prevailing in their federal lawsuit against all parties, claiming they are not legally obligated to pay on a claim against this policy, for this case, because Patrick did not die at the Narconon facility and the housing was not covered by NN Georgia's policy.

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11114.0.html

Nope.  It was being discussed at the hearing as the basis of whatever crap NNINT was trying to argue.  So, it is a done deal, in place, signed and sealed.  And not contingent on the federal case, which will likely just go away now.

I said I suspected.

NN Int has nothing to do with any settlement of NN GA's with the plaintiff. NN Int only has a connection to the insurance company because they  and all the others ( plaintiffs and defendents ) being sued by it in federal court, denying they have to pay at all on Patrick's death.

NN Int was trying to separate itself from having their trial held together with  NN GA. NN Ga, having no money, and knowing that they would lostthe first claims of the case ( original complaint because the judge ruled on their defense being thrown out,) only has the potential to pay that settlement from Western World insurance proceeds.

NN GA already had a stipulated agreement with the plaintiffs on that money before that hearing, the full details of which were not all disclosed at that hearing. The money is to come from insurance proceeds. If Western World Insurance wins their federal case, then NN Ga has no money to pay that settlement amount.  I can tell you that NN Int has nothing to do with that settlement between the Plaintiffs and NN GA.

And that I suspect that the plaintiff / NNGA stipulated the agreement would be moot if Western World were to win it's case that they are not liable to pay out on NN GA's  insurance policy.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 06:44
That agreement, I suspect, is contingent on Western World not prevailing in their federal lawsuit against all parties, claiming they are not legally obligated to pay on a claim against this policy, for this case, because Patrick did not die at the Narconon facility and the housing was not covered by NN Georgia's policy.

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11114.0.html

I believe I heard them say in court that the $950,000 had already been turned over, but I could be wrong; they may have been referring to the signed papers. 

When Lisa Robbins was let out of the case, the check was delivered right there in the courtroom by her attorney, and papers were signed and filed then that it was satisfied.  That was at the July hearing.  I couldn't imagine Jeff would trust NN Ga more than he would Lisa Robbins. 
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 07:02
NN Int only has a connection to the insurance company because they  and all the others ( plaintiffs and defendents ) being sued by it in federal court, denying they have to pay at all on Patrick's death.

The Western World Initial Complaint (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/US-1-12-cv-02117-AT/US-1-12-cv-02117-AT-2012-06-20-WesternWorldComplaint-1-main.pdf), on page 10, says:
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28.
Western World issued Commercial Lines Policy No. NPP1123556 to Narconon of Georgia (“the Western World Policy”), effective August 19, 2007 to August 19, 2008. A true and correct copy of the Western World Policy is attached hereto as Exhibit “B”.
29.
By endorsement to the Western World Policy, Narconon International is listed as an additional insured.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 06, 2013, 10:10
 Going through my pre trial notes from 2/04/2013 now. This may clear up some misconceptions in regard to the $950,000.00 and $50,000.00 that is if I am interpreting my notes correctly.

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N of G would pay out willingly per confession of judgement.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confession_of_judgment

Also taken from my notes.

 
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On friday Feb 1 another person contacts Plaintiff's attorney Mr. Harris about her experience with Narconon of Georgia back in 2007. Apparently a judge orders this family members daughter directly to Narconon of Georgia dependent on Narconon of Georgia,s residential treatment program. As this topic was discussed faster than my brain could put words to paper,it appears this may have been a judge within the state of GA.

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6 Attorney,s were seated at the defenses table. 3 attorney,s seated at the plaintiff,s.

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Withdrawal of Ins claim by Harris. Appears it will not be needed or an issue in presenting his case ( Predicate Act mentioned during this withdrawal)

http://www.supremelaw.org/copyrite/predicate.acts.htm

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/predicate-act/


DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S MOTION TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF DR SUSAN BLANK----No ruling as of 2/04/2013

DEF NARCONON INTERNATIONAL'S MOTION TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF DR STEPHEN KENT----DENIED

DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE THE TESTIMONY OF FRANCIS W RUSHING (they're so nervous about this one they filed it multiple times)----DENIED

DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OF PLTFS EXPERTS----DENIED

DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE RUMORS REGARDING THE NIGHT OF PATRICK W DESMOND'S DEATH

DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF INSURANCE BILLING PRACTICES

DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES OR ARGUMENT FROM PLTF'S COUNSEL THAT THE DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC COULD HAVE
HAD PATRICK DESMOND DETAINED OR ARRESTED FOR PROBATION VIOLATION

DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF HYPOTHETICAL ACTIONS BY THE DEKALB COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT

DEF'S NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO PROHIBIT COUNSEL FROM MENTIONING PRE-TRIAL DISCOVERY DISPUTES

DEF'S NARDONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT EXCUSING PATRICK W DESMOND'S CONDUCT DUE TO INTOXICATION

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE ITS CONDUCT AND/OR REPRESENTATIONS TO PLTFS AFTER PATRICK DESMOND 'S DEATH

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE ON MULTIPLE GROUNDS

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE TESTIMONY OR ARGUMENT REGARDING FAILURE TO RESTRAIN PATRICK W DESMOND

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE ALL PROMOTIONAL, MARKETING AND ADVERTISING MATERIALS NOT SPECIFICALLY RELIED UPON BY PATRICK W DESMOND OR PLTFS----DENIED

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE REFERENCES TO THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY----DENIED

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF DEATHS, INCIDENTS, OR CLAIMS INVOLVING OTHER NARCONON CENTERS

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE EVIDENCE OF OPERATIONS AT ANOTHER NARCONON CENTERS----Ruling withheld

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE POST-INCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS BY DEF

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE UNRELATED KNOWLEGE REPORTS AND REPORTS OF PROBLEMS WITH STUDENTS

DEF NARCONON OF GEORGIA INC'S MOTION IN LIMINE TO EXCLUDE IRRELEVANT DHR CITATION----Denied with exception of unsubstantiated citations

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Several of the above Motions were as of 2/04/2013 being reviewed by the judge. Several were partly granted and or partly denied
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 13:06
That agreement, I suspect, is contingent on Western World not prevailing in their federal lawsuit against all parties, claiming they are not legally obligated to pay on a claim against this policy, for this case, because Patrick did not die at the Narconon facility and the housing was not covered by NN Georgia's policy.

http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11114.0.html

I believe I heard them say in court that the $950,000 had already been turned over, but I could be wrong; they may have been referring to the signed papers. 

When Lisa Robbins was let out of the case, the check was delivered right there in the courtroom by her attorney, and papers were signed and filed then that it was satisfied.  That was at the July hearing.  I couldn't imagine Jeff would trust NN Ga more than he would Lisa Robbins.

NN Int only has a connection to the insurance company because they  and all the others ( plaintiffs and defendents ) being sued by it in federal court, denying they have to pay at all on Patrick's death.

The Western World Initial Complaint (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/US-1-12-cv-02117-AT/US-1-12-cv-02117-AT-2012-06-20-WesternWorldComplaint-1-main.pdf), on page 10, says:
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28.
Western World issued Commercial Lines Policy No. NPP1123556 to Narconon of Georgia (“the Western World Policy”), effective August 19, 2007 to August 19, 2008. A true and correct copy of the Western World Policy is attached hereto as Exhibit “B”.
29.
By endorsement to the Western World Policy, Narconon International is listed as an additional insured.


OK,  so NN int is also covered up to $1 million on that policy as well by endorsement....
http://businessinsure.about.com/od/glossaryofinsuranceterms/g/endorsement.htm

BUT the settlement was with Narconon of GA only. It was to come from insurance, right? Which would mean that Western World is not contesting coverage? Because why would they pay on a claim they are still fighting in court, saying the death was not covered?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on February 06, 2013, 13:36
 ??? I'm so confused!  ???
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 13:47
OK,  so NN int is also covered up to $1 million on that policy as well by endorsement....
http://businessinsure.about.com/od/glossaryofinsuranceterms/g/endorsement.htm

BUT the settlement was with Narconon of GA only. It was to come from insurance, right?

Correct.

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Which would mean that Western World is not contesting coverage? Because why would they pay on a claim they are still fighting in court, saying the death was not covered?

I can't answer for WW because I just don't know, other than the docs over in that thread, and I don't think I've even read all of them.  My guesses: There's always a chance they could be denied the declaratory judgment, they may think it's less expensive to pay than to fight paying, or they may be legally bound to pay things up until they get the declaratory judgment.  Or it could be other stuff I'm not thinking of. 

I did see in one of the later WW docs that WW is trying to get NN Int's other insurance provider to pay the bulk of their costs, that Non-profit insurance company based in California, I think, but I don't remember the complete name right now ( (NCIA or something like that, I think, you can check in the WW docs for it).

Edit: It's NPIA, Non-Profits Insurance Alliance.

??? I'm so confused!  ???

It is all very confusing, I know, but I'm working on more synopsis/analysis, so maybe that will help.  If not, I can entertain questions after that.   :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 14:17
Thanks, ethercat!!  \*/

BigBeard, the most important thing to know is that this case is going to trial next week and we will know lots more because of that!! Hang in there :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 20:16
Ok, here's the next part; it's gonna take some time for me to write everything up.

There were a lot of Motions in Limine filed just before the hearing, so I guess the easiest way for me to try to explain this all is to take the motions I think of as the most important first, and explain them and how they relate.  My time sequences may not be exactly correct, because the arguments and discussion really seemed to wander all over the place.

Narconon International's new lawyer, Mr. Jay Bennett, seemed to have just realized the day of the pretrial hearing that there were RICO claims against his clients.  I don't know why he hadn't read the complaints first, or why the other lawyers (Cheryl Shaw and David Root - not Narconon's David Root, as he endeavored to make clear multiple times) didn't inform Mr. Bennett about that beforehand, or if he was putting on an act for the court, but what he said was that when he came into the case in November, it was a wrongful death case, and now it had turned into RICO. 

This was the basis for his argument for a continuance.

I say: Very disingenuous, Mr. Bennett, as the RICO claims were filed back in March! 

He went on to say that now new claims had been added, without notice, to the case.  He listed a few, and exclaimed, "These are intentional crimes!"  The judge just looked at him and said seriously, "I know what they are."

NNI's counsel said "It's not fair to add charges this late with no time to prepare!" and argued that the Plaintiffs couldn't add new claims this close before the trial, using this as an additional argument for their Motion for Continuance.

Then there launched a discussion of the "new claims".  Here's some history behind these:

There was mention in the Western World documents of a 2nd Amended Complaint written by the Desmonds' team that was circulated among the parties, but not filed into the case:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/US-1-12-cv-02117-AT/US-1-12-cv-02117-AT-2013-01-08-SecondAmendmentToComplaintForDeclaratoryJudgment-ExhibitA-49-1.pdf

Pages 2 and 3:
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168.
The Desmonds have circulated, but not filed, a draft Second Amended Complaint (the "Draft Second Amended Complaint") regarding the Underlying Action. The Draft Second Amended Complaint sets forth additional predicate acts to their Georgia RICO claims, but does not allege any new counts.
169.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege that the Desmonds "have been directly damaged by at least one predicate act and the remaining predicate acts are evidence of Defendants' operation of an enterprise both before and after Patrick Desmond's death."
170.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege the existence of claims, billing, reimbursement, and reporting discrepancies and other misrepresentations by Narconon of Georgia.
171.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege that Narconon of Georgia profited from the enumerated predicate acts and that Narconon International and others profited from Narconon of Georgia's
operations.
172.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege facts which they contend "constitute mail and wire fraud under Georgia law."
173.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege that Narconon of Georgia profited from the enumerated predicate acts and that Narconon International and others benefitted from Narconon of Georgia's
operations.

This 2nd Amended Complaint was never filed, but the claims in it were added to the pretrial order.  There is an example of a pretrial order in the Uniform Rules of Superior Court (http://www.georgiacourts.gov/files/UNIFORM%20SUPERIOR%20COURT%20RULES_Updated_01_22_13_.pdf), page 26, but basically it serves as an outline of the case, what all parties think are the outstanding issues, etc - a planning guide for the trial. 

So, the Pretrial Order had these claims added, and here are the things that make up these claims (hope my memory is right on this stuff):

Harris argued:
But these are not new claims. They are "predicate acts" to the RICO claims that were filed back in the Plaintiffs' First Amended Complaint (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-PlaintiffFirstAmendedComplaintToAddAllegationsAndClaims.pdf).  In order for RICO to apply, there must be 2 predicate acts that are proven.  These are the acts that will apply to the RICO.

There was discussion of whether or not these were new.  The judge ruled that the only new claim was Insurance Fraud.  Harris said he would give that one up for this case, since he said, "I have plenty."  He only has to prove 2 of them for RICO to apply.

And so the Motion for Continuance was denied.

On the Motion for Separate Trials, NN Int argued that since NNI and NNG are separate entities, they should have separate trials.  They said that NNG's "criminal trial" might complicate the case if NNI and NNG are tried together.  (See what they tried to do there?)

The judge reminded NNI's counsel that there is no "criminal trial" that NNG is involved in; that there is a "criminal investigation."  Jeff says the two should be tried together so that NNI's statements do not go unchallenged.

And the judge denied the Motion for Separate Trials.


Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
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Ok, here's the next part; it's gonna take some time for me to write everything up.

There were a lot of Motions in Limine filed just before the hearing, so I guess the easiest way for me to try to explain this all is to take the motions I think of as the most important first, and explain them and how they relate.  My time sequences may not be exactly correct, because the arguments and discussion really seemed to wander all over the place.

Narconon International's new lawyer, Mr. Jay Bennett, seemed to have just realized the day of the pretrial hearing that there were RICO claims against his clients.  I don't know why he hadn't read the complaints first, or why the other lawyers (Cheryl Shaw and David Root - not Narconon's David Root, as he endeavored to make clear multiple times) didn't inform Mr. Bennett about that beforehand, or if he was putting on an act for the court, but what he said was that when he came into the case in November, it was a wrongful death case, and now it had turned into RICO. 

This was the basis for his argument for a continuance.

I say: Very disingenuous, Mr. Bennett, as the RICO claims were filed back in March! 

He went on to say that now new claims had been added, without notice, to the case.  He listed a few, and exclaimed, "These are intentional crimes!"  The judge just looked at him and said seriously, "I know what they are."

NNI's counsel said "It's not fair to add charges this late with no time to prepare!" and argued that the Plaintiffs couldn't add new claims this close before the trial, using this as an additional argument for their Motion for Continuance.

Then there launched a discussion of the "new claims".  Here's some history behind these:

There was mention in the Western World documents of a 2nd Amended Complaint written by the Desmonds' team that was circulated among the parties, but not filed into the case:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/US-1-12-cv-02117-AT/US-1-12-cv-02117-AT-2013-01-08-SecondAmendmentToComplaintForDeclaratoryJudgment-ExhibitA-49-1.pdf

Pages 2 and 3:
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168.
The Desmonds have circulated, but not filed, a draft Second Amended Complaint (the "Draft Second Amended Complaint") regarding the Underlying Action. The Draft Second Amended Complaint sets forth additional predicate acts to their Georgia RICO claims, but does not allege any new counts.
169.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege that the Desmonds "have been directly damaged by at least one predicate act and the remaining predicate acts are evidence of Defendants' operation of an enterprise both before and after Patrick Desmond's death."
170.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege the existence of claims, billing, reimbursement, and reporting discrepancies and other misrepresentations by Narconon of Georgia.
171.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege that Narconon of Georgia profited from the enumerated predicate acts and that Narconon International and others profited from Narconon of Georgia's
operations.
172.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege facts which they contend "constitute mail and wire fraud under Georgia law."
173.
The Desmonds, in the Draft Second Amended Complaint, allege that Narconon of Georgia profited from the enumerated predicate acts and that Narconon International and others benefitted from Narconon of Georgia's
operations.

This 2nd Amended Complaint was never filed, but the claims in it were added to the pretrial order.  There is an example of a pretrial order in the Uniform Rules of Superior Court (http://www.georgiacourts.gov/files/UNIFORM%20SUPERIOR%20COURT%20RULES_Updated_01_22_13_.pdf), page 26, but basically it serves as an outline of the case, what all parties think are the outstanding issues, etc - a planning guide for the trial. 

So, the Pretrial Order had these claims added, and here are the things that make up these claims (hope my memory is right on this stuff):
  • Perjury - Mary Rieser, Tracey Stepler, etc, etc, lots of perjury going on in this case
  • Witness intimidation - Tracey Stepler was an employee of NN at the time of the depo.  Everytime she lied, she looked up at the ceiling and started to cry.  (There is accommodation in Ga. law for the unspoken threat of losing your job - I think this is what it meant.),   Jeff pointed out that NN Int policy says that for an employee to testify against NN is a "high crime".  NNI challenged that, and Jeff said he will get the reference for that to the court.
  • Theft by conversion - lying about being a residential rehab
  • Involuntary manslaughter - Patrick
  • Wire/mail fraud - Faxes, emails, letters to drug courts, websites, etc.

Harris argued:
But these are not new claims. They are "predicate acts" to the RICO claims that were filed back in the Plaintiffs' First Amended Complaint (http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-03-27-PlaintiffFirstAmendedComplaintToAddAllegationsAndClaims.pdf).  In order for RICO to apply, there must be 2 predicate acts that are proven.  These are the acts that will apply to the RICO.

There was discussion of whether or not these were new.  The judge ruled that the only new claim was Insurance Fraud.  Harris said he would give that one up for this case, since he said, "I have plenty."  He only has to prove 2 of them for RICO to apply.

And so the Motion for Continuance was denied.

On the Motion for Separate Trials, NN Int argued that since NNI and NNG are separate entities, they should have separate trials.  They said that NNG's "criminal trial" might complicate the case if NNI and NNG are tried together.  (See what they tried to do there?)

The judge reminded NNI's counsel that there is no "criminal trial" that NNG is involved in; that there is a "criminal investigation."  Jeff says the two should be tried together so that NNI's statements do not go unchallenged.

And the judge denied the Motion for Separate Trials.



Edit: removed some epilepsy inducing dancing smilies.  -ec
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 20:27
8:O8P|() Thank you, ethercat!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on February 06, 2013, 20:55
 L-O-:   :OV--*   

The ditzy routine of the NN lawyers seems ill advised at this stage of the game. What are they thinking?
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 20:57
L-O-:   :OV--*   

The ditzy routine of the NN lawyers seems ill advised at this stage of the game. What are they thinking?

Desperation, lol
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 21:11
There was a Motion to Exclude References to the Church of Scientology, and that was tied into the Motion to Exclude the Testimony of Stephen Kent.

Defense argued that all Stephen Kent could testify to were matters related to the "Church" and Hubbard, and that is not needed because it's not a case about scientology.  The issue of whether this was a "daubert motion" was discussed.  I was not familiar with a daubert motion, so I looked it up and found in wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daubert_standard
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Although trial judges have always had the authority to exclude inappropriate testimony, prior to Daubert, trial courts often preferred to let juries hear evidence proffered by both sides.[6] Once certain evidence has been excluded by a Daubert motion because it fails to meet the relevancy and reliability standard, it will likely be challenged when introduced again in another trial. Even though a Daubert motion is not binding to other courts of law, if something was found untrustworthy by one court, other judges may choose to follow that precedent. Of course, a decision by the Court of Appeals that a piece of evidence is inadmissible under Daubert would be binding on district courts within that court's jurisdiction.

There was discussion I recall about whether the various experts Narconon wanted to exclude would be permanently affected by being excluded as a result of a daubert motion, so I guess that ^^^ explains the discussion.  Jed Manton, who we've seen on some filings on behalf of the Plaintiffs, said that a daubert motion challenges qualifications, not relevancy.

It would be awful if Stephen Kent were to be regarded as untrustworthy in other cases in the future, although it would be something that scientology/Narconon would have absolutely loved to walk away with.  But they won't.   ;D

This then prompted the discussion about whether references to the "church" would be excluded.  NN doesn't want the "church" discussed because it's not viewed favorably by the public (including jurors), and because they say it's not relevant to the case.   

Judge Hydrick said she doesn't see how scientology is not relevant to this case (in other words, she thinks it is very relevant to the case), and that she was inclined to deny the motion to exclude discussion of scientology, but that she will not let Plaintiffs bash scientology either.   Jeff spoke up and said he would prove that Narconon is meant to introduce, teach, and recruit members for scientology.  The judge said she would allow that, and denied both of the motions. 

References to the "Church" of Scientology will be allowed, and Stephen Kent will be allowed to testify as to the connection between Narconon and Scientology.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 21:14
ST, I'm glad you're happy enough to dance, but your pageful of dancing smilies are making my eyes go all wonky (and might cause a seizure in someone prone to epilepsy), so I'm going to snip some of them.  I hope you don't mind.   ;)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 21:27
Thanks for the clarification, EC. 

By the way, just saw this on the case docket: PLTFS MOTION TO STRIKE THE UNTIMELY DAUGBERT MOTIONS FILED BY DEFS ON DRS KENT, BLANK AND RUSHING

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daubert_standard#Daubert_motion:_timing

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Daubert motion: timing

To attack expert testimony as inadmissible, counsel may bring pretrial motions, including motions in limine.[7] The motion in limine may be brought prior to trial, although counsel may bring the motion during trial as well.[8]

A motion attacking expert testimony should be brought within a reasonable time after the close of discovery if the grounds for the objection can be reasonably anticipated.[9] The hearing should be made well in advance of the first time a case appears on a trial calendar.

Exactly.  Stephen Kent's deposition was taken on January 5, 2012.  Over a year ago.

But the filing of that causes me to wonder if I misremembered about the denial to exclude his testimony...    <checking ST's post>  No, he has it as denied also.  Maybe there's another reason to strike the motion, maybe having to do with the reputation problem mentioned in my other post.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 06, 2013, 21:34
ST, I'm glad you're happy enough to dance, but your pageful of dancing smilies are making my eyes go all wonky (and might cause a seizure in someone prone to epilepsy), so I'm going to snip some of them.  I hope you don't mind.   ;)


 I sad now. :'(
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 22:08
ST, I'm glad you're happy enough to dance, but your pageful of dancing smilies are making my eyes go all wonky (and might cause a seizure in someone prone to epilepsy), so I'm going to snip some of them.  I hope you don't mind.   ;)


 I sad now. :'(

Don't be sad! At least we have a memory of the original :)
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on February 06, 2013, 23:44
ST, I'm glad you're happy enough to dance, but your pageful of dancing smilies are making my eyes go all wonky (and might cause a seizure in someone prone to epilepsy), so I'm going to snip some of them.  I hope you don't mind.   ;)

I'm seizing now.....lol @u@ooo

No really, I'm seizing with delight over how the case is shaping up!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Witnessman on February 07, 2013, 00:41
Robert F. Kennedy:

"Give me a place to stand," said Archimedes, "and I will move the world." These men moved the world, and so can we all. Few will have the greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation. Thousands of Peace Corps volunteers are making a difference in isolated villages and city slums in dozens of countries. Thousands of unknown men and women in Europe resisted the occupation of the Nazis and many died, but all added to the ultimate strength and freedom of their countries. It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

Thank you.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 07, 2013, 10:13
Tony Ortega weighs in on the WTSP-tv. 10 News Tampa Bay's 10 News Mike Deeson Investigation into Narconon and gives big mention of upcoming Desmond trial

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NARCONON CONTINUES TO GRAB ATTENTION AS GEORGIA TRIAL NEARS

Monday, a trial is scheduled to begin in Atlanta that will consider whether Scientology’s drug rehab facility there, Narconon Georgia, is liable in the 2008 death of one of its patients, Patrick Desmond. We’ve been covering the case, which has produced stunning documents that spell out the deceptive practices which appear endemic to the Narconon business model. And those revelations, along with patient deaths that occurred at Narconon’s flagship operation in Oklahoma, is raising awareness that Scientology’s drug rehab program is more about spreading the church’s philosophies and making money than delivering care.

As a sign of that, check out this report which aired last night in Tampa, home to one of Scientology’s main strongholds, and also the location of several Narconon centers. While we think the report could have gone even further to show how Narconon has been controlled by Scientology, this is still a remarkable report and a sign of how the media is catching on to this aspect of Scientology’s moment of crisis…
http://tonyortega.org/2013/02/07/jenna-miscavige-hill-continues-her-media-blitz-more-scientology-news-in-thursday-roundup/

Video of the show:
http://bcove.me/zqg3royl
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Duped Parent on February 07, 2013, 20:11
Why is the mother interviewed last week on the issue of insurance fraud not being called to testify?!? Obviously she was an incredible intelligent witness who seems to have proof of NN of GA fraudulently practices? What occurred years ago to the Desmond family seems to be the normal standard of operations. Mary R. sold this family the same bull sh@# they did the Desmond's....the only difference is that little girl didn't die on Narcanons watch.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 07, 2013, 20:26
Why is the mother interviewed last week on the issue of insurance fraud not being called to testify?!? Obviously she was an incredible intelligent witness who seems to have proof of NN of GA fraudulently practices? What occurred years ago to the Desmond family seems to be the normal standard of operations. Mary R. sold this family the same bull sh@# they did the Desmond's....the only difference is that little girl didn't die on Narcanons watch.

I think you misunderstood. The insurance matter is just not being included in the civil RICO claims part of this case, as it is a new matter not related to the Desmond case which was just brought to the attention of the court. It, in itself, will be a separate case and matter. The fraud is currently under investigation by the state at this time and once that is completed, other steps will most likely be taken, criminally and civilly. The state Insurance commission is best equipt to fully investigate.

Hope this helps.

ps:
I also want to add that not only is Mary Morton a well spoken, intelligent woman, but that she is also a brave and loving mother who has the admiration and respect of many people for speaking out about the fraud and the program, and for doing all she can to help her daughter.   

*S*(*oo
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 07, 2013, 20:50
Why is the mother interviewed last week on the issue of insurance fraud not being called to testify?!? Obviously she was an incredible intelligent witness who seems to have proof of NN of GA fraudulently practices? What occurred years ago to the Desmond family seems to be the normal standard of operations. Mary R. sold this family the same bull sh@# they did the Desmond's....the only difference is that little girl didn't die on Narcanons watch.

Hi Duped Parent.  The mother, Mary Morton, is being called to testify, but not to the insurance fraud, but to the program having been presented as a residential program, which they are not licensed by the Department of Community Health (DCH) to deliver.  I was going to write this up in my coverage of the hearing, but I hadn't gotten to that part yet.

The reason she will not be testifying to the insurance fraud is that the Desmonds were not subjected to insurance fraud, and therefore, there is no "basis" for it in the case (using basis as a legal term, not the usual definition).

She is very intelligible and well-spoken, and I believe she will be very convincing to the jury.  I admire her willingness to come forward, and to pursue the insurance fraud.  I also wish her daughter the best, as I do with all of the people who went to Narconon and received no legitimate substance abuse treatment.

Edit: Oh, and thank God her daughter didn't die.   -0=|
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 07, 2013, 20:57
Thanks for the update and response, ethercat. Glad to hear that Mary Morton is testifying.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 07, 2013, 23:25
Robert F. Kennedy:

"Give me a place to stand," said Archimedes, "and I will move the world." These men moved the world, and so can we all. Few will have the greatness to bend history itself, but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation. Thousands of Peace Corps volunteers are making a difference in isolated villages and city slums in dozens of countries. Thousands of unknown men and women in Europe resisted the occupation of the Nazis and many died, but all added to the ultimate strength and freedom of their countries. It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."

Thank you.
Thanks for your support and participation, Witnessman.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BigBeard on February 07, 2013, 23:47

Hi Duped Parent.  The mother, Mary Morton, is being called to testify, but not to the insurance fraud, but to the program having been presented as a residential program, which they are not licensed by the Department of Community Health (DCH) to deliver.  I was going to write this up in my coverage of the hearing, but I hadn't gotten to that part yet.

The reason she will not be testifying to the insurance fraud is that the Desmonds were not subjected to insurance fraud, and therefore, there is no "basis" for it in the case (using basis as a legal term, not the usual definition).

Be interesting to see if NN GA/NN INT lawyers screw up and open up the insurance fraud can of worms during their cross examination of Mary Morton.

Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 08, 2013, 01:26
Be interesting to see if NN GA/NN INT lawyers screw up and open up the insurance fraud can of worms during their cross examination of Mary Morton.

 :-D^\^\
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: ethercat on February 08, 2013, 20:15
I've received this Official Statement for posting here at Reaching for the Tipping Point:

The Desmond v. Narconon of Georgia & Narconon International lawsuit has been settled to the satisfaction of the parties.

Thank you.

David S. Bills
Attorney for the Desmond Family
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 08, 2013, 20:33
I've received this Official Statement for posting here at Reaching for the Tipping Point:

The Desmond v. Narconon of Georgia & Narconon International lawsuit has been settled to the satisfaction of the parties.

Thank you.

David S. Bills
Attorney for the Desmond Family

OMG!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Watcher2 on February 08, 2013, 20:47
OMG!
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on February 08, 2013, 20:49
 :o
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 08, 2013, 21:16
I've received this Official Statement for posting here at Reaching for the Tipping Point:

The Desmond v. Narconon of Georgia & Narconon International lawsuit has been settled to the satisfaction of the parties.

Thank you.

David S. Bills
Attorney for the Desmond Family

 I personally am happy about this. This was always a civil case. Through that venue,I believe justice was served. Narconon International knew full well that going before a jury would be financial suicide.

 Couple this with the RICO allegations,it would have been complete madness to let a jury decide if in fact this was the case.

 Better to make a financial offer of just millions of dollars as opposed to being at the mercy of a judgement leveled at them if in fact the jury found them culpable. That jury could have awarded the plaintiffs 30,40,50 million dollars or more.

 A settlement in this matter is a victory for the Desmonds and its legal team. Narconon International bowed to the weight of the evidence against them.

 This is a win of massive importance and should be taken as such. Hopefully the Desmond family will gain some comfort within all this. They stayed the course. They forced NNInt,s hand. The truth about N of GA and NNInt is now known to all.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: BMF on February 08, 2013, 21:38
I am very happy for the Desmonds.  This is big news.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 08, 2013, 22:44
Scientology’s Atlanta Drug Rehab Buys Its Way Out of Courtroom Nightmare
http://tonyortega.org/2013/02/08/scientology-buys-its-way-out-of-courtroom-nightmare-in-drug-rehab-death/

Tony Ortega asked Lucas Catton and I about our thoughts on the settlement. You can read them in the article.

Quote
We asked for some thoughts from Mary McConnell, one of the Tipping Point researchers, who has kept a close on this case for a long time. She sent us this statement:

    Despite knowing throughout this case that a settlement was possible at any time, that Narconon of Georgia was asset-poor, and that Narconon International was ill prepared for the trial and in such a damning position, I was still shocked to find out it was settled.

    I guess I wanted to see this case go as far as it could without a settlement happening, but I had to consider the Desmond Family and all they have been put through. So it’s a good thing for the Desmonds, who, after all, put themselves on the line here to carry this case to where it ended. The nightmare is over for them.

    In retrospect, this case certainly went far and exceeded my original expectations. The damaging documents and deposition testimonies that came out of this case will be referred to in other cases and exist on the Internet for many years to come. The criminal issues are still pending and I do see charges being filed very soon. On top of that, the facility has lost its license and hopefully they will lose their appeal.

    Both Narconons are paying for what they did. And will continue to pay in more ways than financial. I can’t imagine the settlement being a small amount of money, either. Narconon International must have felt they were caught between a rock and a hard place as the trial date approached. Narconon International probably feared having to go bankrupt because of this case and rightly so. It was never a matter of them winning in this case. Only how bad the outcome. We got most of the information and more documents are forthcoming from the court. The civil damage is done and settled and now it’s on to the criminal complaints.

I also posted a comment there which I will post here now:
Quote

Tony, thank you for all you have done to raise awareness of this case and the efforts of the members of Reaching For The Tipping Point forum in helping to bring justice to the victims of Narconon.

I also wish to thank the excellent legal teams of HARRIS PENN LOWRY DELCAMPO, LLP. and Franklin Law, LLC for working so hard and really understanding the beast they went up against in this case.

In particular, much gratitude and thanks to attorneys JEFFREY R HARRIS, REBECCA C.FRANKLIN, JED D MANTON, DARREN W PENN, DAVID S BILLS, STEVEN G LOWRY, J ANTONIO DELCAMPO, PAUL W PAINTER, STEPHEN HASNER and their support personnel.

Mary McConnell
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: snippy on February 08, 2013, 23:01
Amen.
Title: Re: The Desmond Family v. Narconon of Georgia, Narconon International, et al
Post by: mefree on February 08, 2013, 23:08