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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2017, 17:52 »
I laugh every time I see that document. Too funny!

Me, too! I just cannot believe someone at Google actually thought it was real, just based upon our names as defendants. Shows how weak Google is at determining valid complaints. Hoping they have changed their ways.

Seriously! That doc doesn't pass the smell test for a minute.
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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2017, 09:56 »
Narconon Freedom Center is in deep shit, facing revocation of their license!

https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/38528

Yay, Michigan finally takes a good hard look and smacks them!

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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2017, 11:58 »
"(f) Failure to demonstrate reasonably sufficient honesty and integrity to warrant the operation, or continuing operation, of a program."

Applies to every narCONon anywhere.
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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2017, 12:54 »
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Narconon Freedom Center and its officers are being notified by way of this letter of the intent to revoke the license for the above facility. As such and under Rule R 325.14207, an informal conference shall occur on Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 1:00pm at the Bureau of Community and Health Systems Office, 611 W. Ottawa Street, Lansing, MI 48909, in the Lake Superior Room. The licensed program will be given an opportunity to show compliance at the informal conference.
I wonder which way it went?

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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2017, 17:59 »
"(f) Failure to demonstrate reasonably sufficient honesty and integrity to warrant the operation, or continuing operation, of a program."

Applies to every narCONon anywhere.

So true!
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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2017, 18:00 »
Narconon Freedom Center is in deep shit, facing revocation of their license!

https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/38528

Yay, Michigan finally takes a good hard look and smacks them!

It's about time. Thanks for posting.
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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2017, 21:21 »
Yes, this is great stuff! I am also looking forward to knowing the outcome, as well. But we can't assume that by them being this stupid that they don't now have their attorneys on it. Still, it sure would be nice to see it completely revoked

On a side note: I do think all the licensing info on Freedom Center needs to also be posted to a more appropriately titled thread and section, so as not to be missed by the dox lovers.   I'll get with the boss :)
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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2017, 22:50 »
Narconon Freedom Center managed to settle out of their troubles, bah!

One of the factors was the lack of clients at the time. Per probably just routed them to another location until the flap was over.

I guess it was too much to hope that Michigan had finally cracked down on them.

https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/License/Details/2179425

Settlement:
https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/39223

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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2017, 18:19 »
Narconon Freedom Center managed to settle out of their troubles, bah!

One of the factors was the lack of clients at the time. Per probably just routed them to another location until the flap was over.

I guess it was too much to hope that Michigan had finally cracked down on them.

https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/License/Details/2179425

Settlement:
https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/39223

You beat me to it, DH.

NFC is still subject to a follow-up survey in 3 months, when they have some clients. At any rate, I don't believe a revocation will occur, but time will tell. Scientology is so slippery.
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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2017, 10:09 »
I received a complaint last month from what appears to be a loved one of one of the three remaining patients referred to in that report. Sadly, one of the three, a dual-diagnosis patient they are not licensed to treat there, was dumped at a local shelter due to a mental health crisis they couldn't handle. The third person left as well. The place was shutting down operations and planning to move to a Lancing location later on next year, according to what the patient told the loved one. All the staff were gone except 1 or 2 from management. There was no food on site, they owed vendors, and junk food was brought in to feed the remaining 3 until they could be gotten through the balance of their program ( which I doubt happened.) this was after the conference date.  I spent time helping that person get their family member out to an appropriate program...relative said that more questions would be asked/ answers forthcoming once re-situated patient completed new program transferred to.  I should have reported what was told to me of the conditions anyway,  especially of the patient dumping and lack of food, directly to LARA but got sidetracked by life events and there was little followup by the family busy getting help for their loved one.

I wish we had more volunteers to help us on promoting this forum http://reaching4.info and Narconon Reviews http://narcononreviews.net the Narconon stuff, even though most of the Narconon programs are dying, there are still people being had out there. Especially by the unbranded Per Wickstrom programs in MI and IN.

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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2017, 10:11 »
Narconon Freedom Center managed to settle out of their troubles, bah!

One of the factors was the lack of clients at the time. Per probably just routed them to another location until the flap was over.

I guess it was too much to hope that Michigan had finally cracked down on them.

https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/License/Details/2179425

Settlement:
https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/39223

Thanks for keeping on top of these LARA licensing reports.  That settlement is disturbing...
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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2017, 10:55 »
Per Wickstrom's Serenity Point drug rehab picked up a complaint and a whitewash from Michigan.

A new complaint about a standard Narconon practice that's never going to change:
https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/39260


Fourth person in just August! (Hey Michigan, to "leave against medical advice", don't they need some actual qualified medical personnel on-site? Did you check that?)

And a whitewash saying that they're now in compliance with the regs. *sigh* Wait for them to get caught, and then let them do a superficial clean-up, and it's all good, until the next time.

https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/39261

They were dumping them unannounced at a homeless shelter previously:

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Re: MLive reporting on Narconon Freedom Center Lawsuits
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2017, 18:05 »
Per Wickstrom's Serenity Point drug rehab picked up a complaint and a whitewash from Michigan.

A new complaint about a standard Narconon practice that's never going to change:
https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/39260


Fourth person in just August! (Hey Michigan, to "leave against medical advice", don't they need some actual qualified medical personnel on-site? Did you check that?)

And a whitewash saying that they're now in compliance with the regs. *sigh* Wait for them to get caught, and then let them do a superficial clean-up, and it's all good, until the next time.

https://w2.lara.state.mi.us/VAL/Files/ViewDocument/39261

They were dumping them unannounced at a homeless shelter previously:



Thanks for posting that DeathHamster.   The Michigan Narconon and unbranded Narconon programs are on a roll with the patient dumpings this year.  Of course, it's a been going on for years according to the complaints we've received. Nationwide, really.

However, Michigan programs are required to have community resources available, including shelters, hospitals, physicians etc, so the old 'motel dumping' eventually went to 'shelter dumping' there. Cost much less, so it all works out for the program. If only the state knew the history, and colluded agreement about doing this and why.

Example: Here in 2012 one of the FOIA Michigan Office Of Attorney General Consumer Complaint Form documents that Narconon Reviews received describes such.  http://narcononreviews.net/documents/formal_complaints/FormalComplaint-BestDrugRehabilitation-Michigan-2012-09-23-AttorneyGeneral-2012-cp09231617582-A.pdf.

The patient dumping came to the public's attention in 2006, when a man named Greg Beha went public ( including on the internet) after his stepson was kicked out and dumped at a motel by Narconon Stone Hawk staff for speaking derogatorily about L Ron Hubbard and Scientology.  Greg had to shell out more money to another program because Narconon refused to refund the money Greg paid for his stepson to attend.

Not only did Greg talk to local and state elected leaders and agencies, he went online to alt.religion.scientology and from there, critics of Scientology and Narconon began to take notice and aide in helping Greg get the word out so that Narconon Stone HAwk's Per Wickstrom, and Narconon Int would give the guy a refund so the family could get on with their lives without the financial burden they were under due to the program's treatment of their stepson.

Here is a bit of background for the unaware readers, excerpted from Stop-Narconon, the site of Carnegie Mellon Professor Dave Touretzky.  notice the bold content...

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"The Many Moods of Vince Daniels" radio show, September 16, 2006
 

VINCE DANIELS:  Hey, we got--what an hour we've got planned here, and we
want to welcome in this half hour Greg Beha, Mr. Beha is the father of a
young man who was as recently as this summer went for drug treatment at
a Narconon facility in Michigan. Now if you haven't already read his
son's story, it is beautifully written in letter form and available on
the home page of the website vincedaniels, dot, com. It is written by
his father Greg Beha. Greg is on by phone this afternoon from the little
town of Glouster, Ohio. Great to have you, Mr. Beha.

GREG BEHA:  Well, thank you for letting me tell my story. [..]

[..]In the evening of the fourth day--it was on July 18, 18 days into the
program--Stone Hawk loaded my son's belongings and drove him 26 miles to
a motel room--a $35 a night, I think is what it cost--and they dropped
him off. They paid for his room and gave him 10 bucks  And I have this
phone message at the house and it says; "This is Jai, the
administrator of Stone Hawk of Battle Creek. Tory just had another
outburst and we are basically washing our hands at this point in time,
he is being on a two week AMA, basically a two week suspension."


Well, the next day, we took off and we went and got our son. We found
another drug rehab center at a cost of $14,000 and entered him into
that.

But anyhow, after that day, we couldn't--we called up Stone Hawk and no
one really wanted to talk to me. They played phone tag and finally on
July 27--I think it was eight or nine days after they dropped him off--I
got a hold of the owner of Stone Hawk, his name is Per Wickstrom. First
thing he told me that our phone conversation was being recorded. And he
told me that there would be no refunds and that our son was on a 30 day
suspension AMA, against medical advice, and that he was going to hold a
bed for 30 days, and that our son could have up to three 30 day
suspensions, and he would hold the bed all this time. To me, that sounds
like that's where they get this three-month program. But anyhow, if,
after the first 30-day suspension if my son was to go back to Stone
Hawk, they were wanting $1500 for a cleansing and then if there are
drugs found in his system, they'd want another $3500 or more for another
detox.

VINCE DANIELS:  What?!

GREG BEHA:  That's what I was told.

VINCE DANIELS:  Well, I have to--I have to ask you at this point, what
was--what was the actual violation? What was he doing to be dropped off
at a random motel room, a rather cheap motel room, and put $10 in his
pocket and then get a message saying that they're washing their hands of
the situation? What did he actually do?

GREG BEHA:  No one would tell me from Stone Hawk. And I talked to my
son, and he told me that he just told them that L. Ron Hubbard was a
complete idiot. And he used some swear words then.

VINCE DANIELS:  Oh--

GREG BEHA:  And that's the only thing he told me that he could see why
they drug him out of there.

VINCE DANIELS:  Because this is not somebody of a violent nature,
somebody--

GREG BEHA:  Oh, no--

VINCE DANIELS:  Somebody who would not be cooperative with a drug
program.

GREG BEHA:  No, he was more than willing to go to this program. And when
we put him in the other rehab center, you know, four weeks he was there
easily with no problem whatsoever.

VINCE DANIELS:  Okay, now you actually, after all this was said and
done--and this is really actually still a fresh experience with you,
Greg. We're talking to Greg Beha, the father of his son Tory--and we
also, by the way, have Tory Christman here--

TORY CHRISTMAN:  (laughs) That was ironic!

VINCE DANIELS:  Yeah. Now you actually wrote a letter to the President
of Narconon International--who we have on the other line, Clark
Carr--did you not.

GREG BEHA:  Right, I wrote him almost the same letter I wrote everybody
else, exactly what happened and--

VINCE DANIELS:  What came of that?

GREG BEHA:  I never heard from anyone. I've also written Narconon
International, which he's in charge of, and the only thing I got back
from them was from a Marcy Powell, and it said, "Thank you very much for
sending us this data. I have forwarded it to our management personnel to
look into this." And this was on October 18.
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Personal/Beha/vince-daniels-transcript-beha.txt


Mark Bunker was able to preserve many of the Narconon and Scientology episodes of  Many Moods of Vince Daniels. Well worth listening to!  https://xenutv.wordpress.com/category/vince-daniels/
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