Bump cause for some strange reason this individual gives me some really bad vides.
Bump cause for some strange reason this individual gives me some really bad vides.
Same here, ST. He seems most interested in money, material possessions and status.
sA-10
12:01 AM on 01/01/2013
Not even written by Per. Guaranteed.
as79669
05:25 PM on 11/27/2012
I have read the complaints and none of them were even similar to the experience I had at A Forever Recovery. Mr. Wickstrom’s story motivates me as a recovered addict. I have got my life back together and now I am going to back to school. Congrats to him and everyone who rises above their challenges to do great things!
Yu-kai -Chou
10:18 PM on 11/21/2012
I don't say this a lot, but Per is one of the people I respect the most. I think it's respectable that he picks himself back up from a rut. I think it's respectable that he is always telling those around him to impact others positively, despite all the bashers out there. He's not perfect, but he tries his best, and the post here is simply to encourage others to try their best too, no matter how low they fall.
I've met Per personally before, and I only have good things to say about this man. I'm a regular guest speaker/lecturer at Stanford University and other organizations (look me up). Would you rather listen to the person who's actually met Per and has a real face/reputation, or anonymous people who's never heard a word from Per?
Momma2012
09:31 PM on 11/21/2012
You all have no idea what you are talking about. These programs are not a Narconon program. If you knew what the programs are you would know they are not a Narconon program. A Forever Recovery and Best Drug Rehabilitation are different from Narconon. You may find some complaints on RipoffReport like Mary said but you will also find more people living today because they are no longer addicted to drugs. I sent my loved ones there Mary. They became drug free from the program. Call and talk to someone there and get educated. You may not like Per...but his desire to be in the treatment industry has saved many lives. I promise you that. Too bad you all can not get to actually know him as a human being instead of sitting in judgment continuously. You might be surprised to find out he is a good person wanting to get people to live their life again.
sA-10
07:32 PM on 12/31/2012
Per has actually never ran one person through a treatment program. Did you know that? He's the entrepeneur remember? He owns the buildings and websites and his main motivation is $$$$$$. He'd rather keep the money than pay for things like, electricity, food, taxes. He'll blame it on Kate though. check out Vince Daniels....
ComandanteRX
03:09 PM on 01/01/2013
1. Per is a scientologist.
2. Per is in the rehab business for the MONEY ONLY.
3. Per does in fact use scientology teachings within his rehabs.
4. Per DOES pay ABLE to use scientology teachings wihin his rehabs.
JustCallMeMary
08:55 PM on 11/18/2012
I don't even know where to begin to review this self promoting baloney. Readers, just google search "Per Wickstrom" and "Narconon Stone Hawk" and go to ripoffreport . com to see the multiple complaints about him, the Narconon program he made a lot of money off of (which many people got ripped off). And how he ran the place into the ground. And while there search for his latest scams, "Best Drug Rehabilitation Services" ( Best Drug Rehab Services) and " A Forever Recovery". These are Narconon programs in disguise. Narconon is Scientology. Many consistent complaints can be found on RipOffReport. You don't want to send your loved one there for sure.
Per Wickstrom
05:10 PM on 11/22/2012
Thanks for the comment, despite being unnecessarily aggressive. I understand that there are anonymous critics out there that would be delighted if I failed, but the truth is that I have every intent to do my best to save lives.
This is a business of making people stop doing what they don't want to stop on. The ones that do stop thank us at the end, but the ones that decide to not go along with our program despite our best efforts get upset and post negatively about my efforts to help the world, as well as me personally.
The truth of the matter is my story is real, and I was truly helped by Narconon. It worked for me when nothing else did. However Best Drug Rehabilitation is not a Narconon. It uses many different treatment methods, from all walks of life, all different Religions, and philosophies, which provides a holistic atmosphere meant to help an individual through the unique method that will be most effective.
I think it is much more constructive to think of better ways to help addicts if you disagree with my approach instead of criticizing, because the thousands of families that I have help mended is very real, and until the critics come up with something better, I will continue to change lives with the approach that I have seen work again and again.
Thank you.
- Per Wickstrom
JustCallMeMary
10:20 PM on 12/30/2012
You are so full of baloney....
Readers can get more information and read all the complaints people have about Per Wickstrom and his Narconon based programs by visiting Reaching For The Tipping Point Forum reaching4 (dot) info
sA-10
07:35 PM on 12/31/2012
If you were so helped by Narconon then why did you continue to use alcohol. How many times did your partner look for you when you were on a binder?
Bewareofscams
10:32 AM on 11/18/2012
Buyer beware! Narconon is facing several lawsuits, involving a string of deaths and other incidents, in Georgia, Oklahoma, Michigan, California and elsewhere. Narconon is a scientology front group.
More info at www.narconon-exposed.org/ and http://www.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/
Addiction Analyst
09:50 AM on 11/16/2012
Great Article! I was a leader in the alcohol and other drug field for years before I retired and I reviewed over 150 rehab centers in the US and Europe. I can vouch for what Mr. Wickstrom is saying in his article. Narconon is the most effective treatment modality available. Across the board, their graduates make more significant and positive changes in their lives than any other type of treatment. Alcoholics and drug addicted persons graduate from their program believing in themselves and being able to demonstrate their strength through their work and their higher level of ethics. It is a very functional program and many, including a loved one in my family that was diagnosed by three other centers as being incurable, are doing well and thankful that they found the tools that work in repairing their lives.
Mac McGregor LADC, DBAE, IC&RC
JustCallMeMary
08:50 PM on 11/18/2012
All anyone has to do to know what you do and did in the past, William Kent McGregor. is to Google search your name and your history, especially as a social worker. Never paid that judgement, heh?
I see you added the IC&RC as a title. There is no such licensing by that acronym.. IC&RC stands for International Certification & Reciprocity Consortium. They IC&RC sets the internationally recognized standards for seven reciprocal credentials, NONE of which you hold.
Alcohol & Drug Counselor (ADC)
Advanced Alcohol & Drug Counselor (AADC)
Clinical Supervisor (CS)
Prevention Specialist (PS)
Certified Criminal Justice Addictions Professional (CCJP)
Certified Co-Occurring Disorders Professional (CCDP)
Certified Co-Occurring Disorders Professional Diplomate (CCDPD)
I see you finally stopped using the false licensing MAC title you used on the internet sometimes. Now it's IC&RC? Ha! Perhaps I shall inform them as I did with the other organizations on your false use of the MAC license.
JustCallMeMary
09:07 AM on 12/31/2012
Cat got your tongue?
IN THE COURT OF APPEALS OF THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO
Opinion Number: 1998-NMCA-017
Filing Date: November 12, 1997
Docket No. 17,116
KATHLEEN ECKHARDT,
Plaintiff-Appellant/Cross-Appellee,
v.
CHARTER HOSPITAL OF ALBUQUERQUE,
INC., A NEW MEXICO CORPORATION,
Defendant-Appellee/Cross-Appellant,
WILLIAM KENT MCGREGOR,
Defendant,
AND COURTNEY COOK,
Defendant-Appellee.
[..]"This appeal and cross appeal arise out of a civil action filed by Kathleen Eckhardt (Plaintiff) against Charter Hospital of Albuquerque (Charter), William Kent McGregor (McGregor), and Courtney Cook (Cook) for damages sustained as a result of a sexual assault on Plaintiff by McGregor on July 16, 1987, in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Plaintiff alleged that she was assaulted while she was receiving counseling from McGregor, a certified social worker, at the offices of the Charter Counseling Center of Santa Fe (CCC). Cook was the director of the CCC, a facility owned by Charter. The trial court entered a default judgment against McGregor, and he is not a party to this appeal." [..]
[..] Plaintiff appeals from the trial court's order granting a directed verdict on her claims for punitive damages, wrongful disclosure, and violation of the Unfair Practices Act. Plaintiff also challenges the trial court's disclosure to the jury of a $1 million default judgment award entered against McGregor." [..]
http://www.supremecourt.nm.org/pastopinion/VIEW/98ca-017.html
More info
http://tinyurl.com/baygpu6
sA-10
07:37 PM on 12/31/2012
Coming from the guy who gave 20 plus people the answers to their CCDC certification test and is a Scientologist. Doesnt your wife Yette work at the flagship Narconon in OK. Can you say CONFLICT OF INTEREST?
CoasttoCoast5
04:52 PM on 01/01/2013
I say, this documentation is impressing. Always good to see another side so one can see the truth of the matter or of the person. Thank you.
I posted 4 comments that didnt get through >:(
Oh well, looks like the others did a fine job of exposing his self promoting BS.
He can hire all the PR and SEO companies in the world to try and make him look good and get his sites on the first page of Google. No matter. He cant hide from the police and the insurance fraud investigators. 8:O8P|() ||||o||||
Trying to get enough posts to go on to the 2nd page.
I've begun to hate coming to this thread because of that disgusting photo in the first post. :-OP=\
Remember those days when he looked like this? It wasn't that long ago.
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/ScnDox/wickstromPer_NarcononStonehawk--1_zps51acc015.jpg)
Remember those days when he looked like this? It wasn't that long ago.
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/ScnDox/wickstromPer_NarcononStonehawk--1_zps51acc015.jpg)
Appearance? Not an topic within my sector of the universe. Actions? Most definitely!
Yes. I did not know this guy had jumped onto various snake oil salesmen ventures. ::)Remember those days when he looked like this? It wasn't that long ago.
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/ScnDox/wickstromPer_NarcononStonehawk--1_zps51acc015.jpg)
Appearance? Not an topic within my sector of the universe. Actions? Most definitely!
You must have missed the posts where it's shown that he's pushing alternative health and skin care products, sponsoring modeling shows to get donations, and starting a boxing school for young kids through his facility programs.
Leave it to Per to sound like an idiot. He said "it's prelavent".
Hey 10oriocookies. I went to Narconon Stonehawk in 2005 and you were a high ranking faculty member at the time.. I believe you were the "ethics" officer or something if i remember correctly. I do not want to put my real name on this post but would love to privately chat sometime. I had some very negative experiences while in the program and left on a very sour note.. I am sure you will probably remember me if we can talk. I am very glad to see that you are stepping up and doing the right thing in speaking out against this fraudulent and dangerous program. I commend you! I used to think you were a huge A-hole but after reading some of your own personal stories and seeing you on rock center nbc last night it has really changed my view of you and the person that you were 8 years ago.. cheers! I am looking forward to being a member of this community and getting to know everybody and sharing my experience with everyone as well as hearing everybody elses!
Hey 10oriocookies. I went to Narconon Stonehawk in 2005 and you were a high ranking faculty member at the time.. I believe you were the "ethics" officer or something if i remember correctly. I do not want to put my real name on this post but would love to privately chat sometime. I had some very negative experiences while in the program and left on a very sour note.. I am sure you will probably remember me if we can talk. I am very glad to see that you are stepping up and doing the right thing in speaking out against this fraudulent and dangerous program. I commend you! I used to think you were a huge A-hole but after reading some of your own personal stories and seeing you on rock center nbc last night it has really changed my view of you and the person that you were 8 years ago.. cheers! I am looking forward to being a member of this community and getting to know everybody and sharing my experience with everyone as well as hearing everybody elses!
Hello, and welcome to Reaching for the Tipping Point.
I have changed your username and your signature because we really don't like to imply any violence on here - it's not what we're about, and it puts the forum in danger. If you don't like what I changed it to, feel free to say what you prefer and I'll change it to your suggestion, as long as it doesn't incite hatred or suggest violence or criminal behavior. You will still need to log in with your original name, though.
Now that that's out of the way, I'm sure we'd all like to hear about your experiences. :)
Hey 10oriocookies. I went to Narconon Stonehawk in 2005 and you were a high ranking faculty member at the time.. I believe you were the "ethics" officer or something if i remember correctly. I do not want to put my real name on this post but would love to privately chat sometime. I had some very negative experiences while in the program and left on a very sour note.. I am sure you will probably remember me if we can talk. I am very glad to see that you are stepping up and doing the right thing in speaking out against this fraudulent and dangerous program. I commend you! I used to think you were a huge A-hole but after reading some of your own personal stories and seeing you on rock center nbc last night it has really changed my view of you and the person that you were 8 years ago.. cheers! I am looking forward to being a member of this community and getting to know everybody and sharing my experience with everyone as well as hearing everybody elses!
From: Phil Hart <ednni @ *****>
Subject: Re: A Forever Recovery
To: "Lucas A. Catton"
Cc: xorlandi @ *****, y4yvon @ *****, rmq88 @ *****, ocarcabascio @ *****
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:20 PM
Dear Luke;
Thanks for the report. Just to fill the vacuum Per has paid back over 2 million in debts stone hawk incurred. I believe all his regges or most of them are on lines in the Org as are a number of his staff. His withdrawal unit is learning assists on line at Scn.org. He has kept FC alive literally by paying for marketing and creating reaches and by helping their regges constantly. He wrote a report back on this current cycle you presented and my Div 1 is looking into it. In fact FC would be done were it not for his efforts. FC has not paid rent in the last 12 months except for one time and again they would have been out on the street had Per not covered for them. He has every vested interest in the world to get cycles into FC and has had to cover mortgage payments, legal bills,leases, and countless other bills by whatever means he could come up with. He just got the back payroll taxes (900K) settled and reduced to about 600K for Stonehawk. He paid for his own sec checks which you dismiss out of hand and with no knowledge about and just assume the worst frankly. You imply that he is NCG or assume so. This was 300hours worth at AOLA with excellent gains. Factually he CSW'd 3 times to open A Forever as a NN First step which was denied because of his connection to Kate which is now nearly handled at great personal expense. This is factually not as you assume that he is just ripping off cycles for his own personal pocketbook. This is not to say that his regges have never been out ethics or neither has Per but your implication that he is being protected by my Org while true is not true in the sense you think. He is protected because he produces constantly and has saved the NN in Michigan. This again is not to say he did not contribute to many of the problems we had back when but he has taken responsibility for all of it. The ED of the BC Org has done a number of seminars in the A Forever facility and they have as many of their staff on service in the Org as the NN does so it is slowly becoming an LRH delivery unit even though not licensed by us. Also despite the crash of the place under Kate, Per has an overall great production records with NN. Are there problems? - yes- but your report really assumes the worst of everything and lacks a ton of data so I hope this fills the vacuum a bit. We have looked into cycles before and in at least one case I remember FC just mis handled the start so badly that they lost it to A Forever.You can send whatever you want to RTC reports officer to answer your last question. OSA is very familiar with the scene there and a CSW is on lines to handle further. You can also go to DCA ABLE Int Gwenda Byrne as she would be external from Dept 20. Call me if you have any questions. ML Phil
Interesting that the purpose of honesty to Per is to get respect and maintain profitability. ::) Certainly not just for the sake of righteousness - a 'ness' you won't read much about in Hubbard's writings...
This shows the length that Phil Hart went to in order to protect Per Wickstrom, as well as how important money and Scientology are compared to doing the right thing. It was CC'd to the Narconon Int's Director of Legal Affairs and Administration Supervisor, the Executive Director of Narconon East US and the Vice President of ABLE Int (not in that order):QuoteFrom: Phil Hart <ednni @ *****>
Subject: Re: A Forever Recovery
To: "Lucas A. Catton"
Cc: xorlandi @ *****, y4yvon @ *****, rmq88 @ *****, ocarcabascio @ *****
Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:20 PM
Dear Luke;
Thanks for the report. Just to fill the vacuum Per has paid back over 2 million in debts stone hawk incurred. I believe all his regges or most of them are on lines in the Org as are a number of his staff. His withdrawal unit is learning assists on line at Scn.org. He has kept FC alive literally by paying for marketing and creating reaches and by helping their regges constantly. He wrote a report back on this current cycle you presented and my Div 1 is looking into it. In fact FC would be done were it not for his efforts. FC has not paid rent in the last 12 months except for one time and again they would have been out on the street had Per not covered for them. He has every vested interest in the world to get cycles into FC and has had to cover mortgage payments, legal bills,leases, and countless other bills by whatever means he could come up with. He just got the back payroll taxes (900K) settled and reduced to about 600K for Stonehawk. He paid for his own sec checks which you dismiss out of hand and with no knowledge about and just assume the worst frankly. You imply that he is NCG or assume so. This was 300hours worth at AOLA with excellent gains. Factually he CSW'd 3 times to open A Forever as a NN First step which was denied because of his connection to Kate which is now nearly handled at great personal expense. This is factually not as you assume that he is just ripping off cycles for his own personal pocketbook. This is not to say that his regges have never been out ethics or neither has Per but your implication that he is being protected by my Org while true is not true in the sense you think. He is protected because he produces constantly and has saved the NN in Michigan. This again is not to say he did not contribute to many of the problems we had back when but he has taken responsibility for all of it. The ED of the BC Org has done a number of seminars in the A Forever facility and they have as many of their staff on service in the Org as the NN does so it is slowly becoming an LRH delivery unit even though not licensed by us. Also despite the crash of the place under Kate, Per has an overall great production records with NN. Are there problems? - yes- but your report really assumes the worst of everything and lacks a ton of data so I hope this fills the vacuum a bit. We have looked into cycles before and in at least one case I remember FC just mis handled the start so badly that they lost it to A Forever.You can send whatever you want to RTC reports officer to answer your last question. OSA is very familiar with the scene there and a CSW is on lines to handle further. You can also go to DCA ABLE Int Gwenda Byrne as she would be external from Dept 20. Call me if you have any questions. ML Phil
Dear Per.
I know you are more than likely aware of these documents/complaints,but I thought relisting them here would aid the general public when considering the use of any services you Per Wickstrom may claim to provide.
Enjoy.
http://narcononreviews.net/narconon/foia-request-michigan-attorney-general-releases-complaints/#comment-588
I got a notice from Twitter that someone else had tweeted the blog post directly to (at?) him.
Hey, it needs to be added to the Best Drug Rehab (http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,10723.0.html) thread, too (done). That one has 193,171 views. :o
I got tired of tracking all of Per's junk of separate pages, so I've started adding a table indexing all the buildings on his page.I've added CARF certifications to his locations. Not that I care about CARF, but if Per is going to keep flipping his companies around, he'd better keep his Michigan licenses and CARF certifications in the right company name.
Category:Per Wickstrom (http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Per_Wickstrom)
I got tired of tracking all of Per's junk of separate pages, so I've started adding a table indexing all the buildings on his page.I've added CARF certifications to his locations. Not that I care about CARF, but if Per is going to keep flipping his companies around, he'd better keep his Michigan licenses and CARF certifications in the right company name.
Category:Per Wickstrom (http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Per_Wickstrom)
(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/wick.jpg)Bumping this due to continued concern over this individual.
I in no way am attempting to disparage this individual in any fashion, yet time and again I come across those that have had personal experiences with this gentlemen and his organization. I would love to give him the benefit of doubt as a person wanting to help his fellow man via his rehab services. Alas, I continually come up empty handed. In order to understand this individual I need to take into consideration the merit or metal of the man and the hows and whys he is where he is.
Scientology plays a major part in how this individual acts and reacts towards his fellow man! As I have learned from experience, scientology and its use within the rehabilitation industry via Narconon International lends itself to replicated behavior. Meaning as these individuals whom hold license and operate these rehab facilities must adhere to the scientology party line so to speak.
This has become quite evident as more information comes out about Narconon and the ease in which we the general public observe mirrored behavior with these facilities on a national level. It appears from research done by others each of these facilities are captained by a scientologist, hence the predictability of behavior. I have come to realize there are a very small group on players here. These same players come up in many a discussion. Those same players have helmed these facilities for some time now.
Though I dearly want to give Mr.Wickstrom the benefit of the doubt, I am seeing a tremendous amount of similarities between his operations and that of other narconons. This does not make for a comfortable feeling on my end.
I want to know as much as possible about this individual. Factual information that is. If Mr. Wickstrom or his agents would like to add to the discussion, I am more than willing to listen!
Introduction
Most business owners/entrepreneurs think that their businesses are an extension of their lives. They go to work with passion that you'll probably not find in other professionals. They are committed to making it work, and they work as if their lives depended on it. However, working as if your life depended on it is the perfect recipe for stress, burnout, disorder, and chaos for the business – and then, that business you love so much with your life might sap out the very life from you.
Becoming an employee in your business would allow the business run itself in your absence because you won't have to be running things.
The CEO said that "when you become an employee in your business, you break the operations into tasks... it is easy to delegate your part of the operations when the person taking the baton knows exactly what to do".
From the "eyes of the storm" I bring you...I would NOT buy a used car from this man,much less listen to any of his business advice!(http://i.imgur.com/XDg5KLj.png)
Per Wickstrom says Business Owners should be Employees rather than Bosses - examiner (http://www.examiner.com/article/per-wickstrom-says-business-owners-should-be-employees-rather-than-bosses)QuoteIntroduction
Most business owners/entrepreneurs think that their businesses are an extension of their lives. They go to work with passion that you'll probably not find in other professionals. They are committed to making it work, and they work as if their lives depended on it. However, working as if your life depended on it is the perfect recipe for stress, burnout, disorder, and chaos for the business – and then, that business you love so much with your life might sap out the very life from you.
more on business stress at http://www.examiner.com/article/per-wickstrom-says-business-owners-should-be-employees-rather-than-bosses
I would NOT buy a used car from this man,much less listen to any of his business advice!
He looks relaxed, doesn't he? Well, doesn't he?? ___P=
From the "eyes of the storm" I bring you...>:D :D ;D(http://i.imgur.com/XDg5KLj.png)
Per Wickstrom says Business Owners should be Employees rather than Bosses - examiner (http://www.examiner.com/article/per-wickstrom-says-business-owners-should-be-employees-rather-than-bosses)QuoteIntroduction
Most business owners/entrepreneurs think that their businesses are an extension of their lives. They go to work with passion that you'll probably not find in other professionals. They are committed to making it work, and they work as if their lives depended on it. However, working as if your life depended on it is the perfect recipe for stress, burnout, disorder, and chaos for the business – and then, that business you love so much with your life might sap out the very life from you.
more on business stress at http://www.examiner.com/article/per-wickstrom-says-business-owners-should-be-employees-rather-than-bosses
Haha!!What ashram was he at?
Here is the latest! Rod Keller found it and let me copy it :)
I call it: Per Wickstrom letting it all hang out
(http://i949.photobucket.com/albums/ad340/ScnDox/Per%20Wickstrom%20Yoga_zps11hxk9q7.jpg)
||||o|||| <== This is the only view of Per I want to see.Per Piñata?
Wanna bet he makes sure there's no one around with a baseball bat before hanging himself up like that??
||||o|||| <== This is the only view of Per I want to see.Per Piñata?
Wanna bet he makes sure there's no one around with a baseball bat before hanging himself up like that??
What about Tranquility Detox? Or is that considered part of one of the ones you already have?AFAIK, Tranquility Detox doesn't have any licenses in Michigan. Per shuffles his licenses and companies around at each location, and if they're open, it'll turn out that it's really a different company operating there.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but it looks like TRANQUILITY DETOX have an active licence in Michigan.That's the corporate registration, which I don't check yet. (I'll probably call that "LARA Corp".)
http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/dt_corp.asp?id_nbr=71097N&name_entity=TRANQUILITY_DETOX
Links here to articles of Incorporation, certificate of assumed name and annual reports-
http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcs_corp/results.asp?ID=71097N&page_name=corp