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Italy raids Scientology
« on: May 20, 2010, 13:40 »
I didn't see this posted here yet, but it's HUGE news!

http://wwww.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/english/2010/05/20/visualizza_new.html_1794804082.html

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Police raided a local Scientology chapter here and discovered a hidden archive which contained not only information on the group's members but also on the sect's 'enemies', the Turin daily La Stampa reported on Thursday.

Police were acting on a warrant issued by magistrates who have opened a probe into the religion which is suspected of violating laws governing the handling of personal information.

According to La Stampa, police searched the chapter on Via Bersezio for some nine hours and in the basement, behind a locked door, found the sect's secret archive which had files on magistrates, policemen, journalists and relatives of former members. La Stampa said magistrates were now examining these documents which were "chock full" of sensitive information dealing with sexual habits, health and political inclinations.

In 2000, the Italian supreme Court of Cassation recognised Scientology as a religion but said it was organised as a business and thus subject to taxation.

Member are said to pay high fees for counseling or 'auditing' to advance through the religion's various 'levels'.

Scientology has been at the center of controversy because of its nature as a sect, which has led to accusations of fraud, and many countries do not qualify it as a religion.

Aside from charging high fees to its members, Scientologists have drawn criticism for aggressively reacting to critics and their opposition to psychiatry, which they consider to be destructive and abusive and say should be outlawed.

Scientology, which claims to focus on spiritual rehabilitation, was founded in the early 1950s by the late science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard and evolved out of his self-help program Dianetics.

Despite its controversy, it has drawn a number of high-profile celebrities including actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta and musicians Isaac Hayes and Chick Corea.

All other news I've seen linked is not (yet) translated from Italian.

Perhaps more will come of this soon.

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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2010, 14:14 »
A bit more, translated from another article:
http://www.mondoraro.org/2010/05/20/scientology-nei-guai-scoperti-dossier-segreti-nella-sede-di-torino/

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Scientology in Trouble: Secret Files Discovered in the Turin Headquarters

by Gianni Leone

May 20, 2010

I've always said that Scientology is an organization with little transparency and, for a long time already, I've been speaking out against the activities of this psycho-sect on Italian territory and abroad. For months, I've been demanding an investigation into Scientology's establishments in Italy.

Acting on a warrant, the Turin police have raided the Scientology headquarters in Turin. Guess what came up? In the basement, hidden behind a locked door, secret archives were found with files on magistrates, policemen, journalists (me maybe??), and, of course, everyone Scientology considers an enemy. The files apparently contain sensitive information and photos.

The material is currently being examined by the judiciary. The suspected offense is related to the violation of the standards for the handling of sensitive data.

I continue to formally request, from the pages of this magazine:

    * that the competent authorities verify the actual funds and property of Scientology on Italian territory

    * that the Ministry of Health perform a verification concerning the "Narconon" communities which charge money for a detoxification method with no scientific value

    * that consumer groups campaign against this psycho-sect which operates on Italian territory and practices mental conditioning

    * that antitrust authorities take action against the "deceptive advertising" and "press releases" that Scientology spreads over the Internet

I appeal to all honest parliamentarians who know the dangers of psycho-sects to launch an inquiry into the real activity of Scientology in Italy. DO NOT REMAIN PASSIVE.

The problem of psycho-sects touches 1 million people in Italy. It is a very grave problem which must be tackled seriously and firmly.

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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 08:57 »
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Information on 'enemies of Scientology found' in Italian police raid


Secret dossiers of information on the "enemies" of Scientology were found when Italian police raided the movement's offices in Turin.

By Nick Squires in Rome
Published: 11:29PM BST 20 May 2010

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During a nine-hour search of the offices, Carabinieri officers are said to have discovered a cache of files hidden in a basement behind a locked door.

The files allegedly contained personal information relating to judges, magistrates, journalists and police who had reportedly been deemed hostile to the US-based Church of Scientology, Italian media reported.
 
Police seized computers as well as handwritten files, which are also said to contain details of former members of the religious movement.

The raid was ordered by magistrates who suspect that the local chapter of the worldwide movement may have violated laws governing the holding of sensitive data, including information about the health, political opinions and sexual orientation of a range of people, La Stampa newspaper reported.

Scientology, which counts among its most high-profile adherents the Hollywood actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta, was founded in 1953 by the science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

The controversial religion is often criticised as a cult. It was denounced in the Australian parliament in November, when a senator described it as abusive, violent and manipulative, and only narrowly escaped being banned in France after being prosecuted for fraud.

In the United States, two former members launched a landmark law suit against the movement last month, alleging that for years they were treated little better than slaves and forced to work 20-hour days.

Claire Headley alleged that she was coerced into having an abortion, while her husband Marc said he was subjected to strange mind-control exercises.

The Church has denied all the allegations and has questioned the plaintiff's motivation in bringing the law suit.

more including related articles at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/7746221/Information-on-enemies-of-Scientology-found-in-Italian-police-raid.html
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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 11:17 »
I'm also quite curious, though it won't say specifically (because it's a Scientology term) whether they were able to get the "Red Box" files as well.

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Secret

25 Mar 1977

All concerned
BI staff

All Secs
DGI US OFFICE

VIA: DDG I US <-----

RE: RED BOX

Dear All,

This is to introduce into BIUS the complete red box system. Most of you have heard of this earlier - I will now explain it in detail.

First of all, all data that is red box data, has to be pulled from your areas. The complete definition of Red Box material is attached.

Secondly, you must ensure that none of your juniors (for those of you who have them) have red box data in their areas.

All the red box material from your areas must be centrally located, together and in a moveable container (ideally a briefcase), locked, and marked.

When this is done in each area, we will divide up the amounts and deputize persons in the area to be responsible for its removal from the premises in the case of a raid. This procedure will be drilled. This procedure will stay in at the new location.

Please have all this data sorted and located in proper container by Monday night Mar 28. I will then divide up removal duties, and we will drill it Tuesday night just before the all hands.

Love [Signature] Judy

RED BOX DATA INFORMATION SHEET

1. What is Red Box data?

a) Proof that a Scnist is involved in criminal activities.

b) Anything illegal that implicates MSH, LRH.

c) Large amounts of non FOI docs.

d) Operations against any government group or persons.

e) All operations that contain illegal activities.

f) Evidence of incriminating activities.

g) Names and details of confidential financial accts.


2. Where is Red Box data kept?

a) Out of date material or finished cycles that can be shredded[,] should be.

b) Large amounts of red box data that is not needed for day to day function but cannot be destroyed is located with all our NON FOI docs - and can be called for via CIC.

c) Small amounts of data that must be kept on hand due to security and frequent use - is to be kept in a briefcase locked up - and is to be marked. (in BI office area)

3. How is Red Box data, kept on the BI premises, cared for?

a) This data will be picked up and carried out of the building by 'owner' immediately upon notification of a raid, search warrant etc.

b) Persons carrying this data (as few as possible) will leave the premises and only return when they have called in and received an "all clear" - (Details of who goes where with what data will be sorted out later - and drilled)

[Handwritten Note:] NOT FOR COPYING! This sheet is to be returned to Sec. of BI US
B1 was an old OSA dept ,and judy was the code name for mary sue hubbard

I'm still looking for better proof of this exact order.

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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 13:15 »
What are "FOI" documents?
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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 16:36 »
It seems it stands for "Freedom of Information" ... how very, very ironic.

Not just that they'd be overtly supportive of freedom of information, but also that it would be things they want to keep locked away, and something they want to keep from discovery if raided.

And that the cult has a policy on being raided is also funny.  You'd think Scientologists would think something about "My church has a fear of raids? WTF am I doing in here?!"

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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 18:23 »
Ironic indeed. I guess that is why I couldn't believe that was what that acronym referred to!
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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 23:15 »
Scientology Raided in Italy, Stash of Personal Records on 'Enemies' Found
By Tony Ortega, Friday, May. 21 2010 @ 9:33AM

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Mark Bunker (Wise Beard Man) has been tipping us to several embarrassing developments for Scientology overseas lately.

The newest was yesterday's raid of a Scientology center in Turin, Italy, where investigators uncovered a basement stash of records containing "sensitive personal data" about local officials and journalists that Scientology apparently considered enemies.

The archive of documents "had files on magistrates, policemen, journalists and relatives of former members," which is consistent with Scientology's long, sad history of going after defectors and critics by any means possible. The documents "were 'chock full' of sensitive information dealing with sexual habits, health and political inclinations."

According to the report by an Italian news service, ANSA.it, the raid was part of a probe by local officials looking into accusations that Scientology uses personal information in questionable ways.

Imagine that! Actually, that charge has been proven again and again in this country in civil lawsuits, but unlike Italy and many other countries, the U.S. is squeamish about investigating anything that hides behind a "church" label. Overseas, however, as the ANSA report points out, "many countries do not qualify [Scientology] as a religion."

Meanwhile, trouble for Scientology is really heating up in Australia. As we discussed recently when we were visited by former Scientology enforcer Aaron Saxton, his accusations of abuse, among those of several others, had inspired an Australian senator, Nick Xenophon, to propose an official government inquiry into L. Ron Hubbard's wacky cabal. That proposal, however, initially went nowhere.

But now, Xenophon's efforts have begun to pay off. Last week, the news emerged that Xenophon had indeed convinced the Australian government to begin a probe that would look into allegations of abuse in Scientology, which could, eventually, remove the church's tax-exempt status.

Australia's media responded with some amazing new allegations of abuse by Scientology in that country, including stunning accusations by Scarlett Hanna, the daughter of the president of Australian Scientology itself!

much more at http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/05/scientology_rai.php
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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2010, 09:27 »
I'm still looking for better proof of this exact order.

The "Red Box" order was seized in the FBI raids in 1977, and used as evidence in the trial of the government-infiltrating scientologists who were convicted for "Operation Snow White":
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http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/canada/canada2.html

The document discovered in the "Confessional Formulary" by one of the raiding team identified as Special Agent Orphy was a March 25, 1977, letter signed "Love Judy" and directed to "all concerned" in senior offices of the cult in the United States.

This letter, filed as U.S. Government exhibit 219 and FBI number 7984, was to introduce "the complete red box system" into the church's operations.

Attached to the letter was a "red box data information sheet" with instructions to senior officers to keep the information away from junior assistants.

"Red box," the document made clear, was the code name for a portable file that could be easily removed from a Scientology office "in case of a raid."

In the file was to be kept, among other things, "proof that a Scnist is involved in criminal activities ... anything illegal that implicated MSH, LRH (the Hubbards) ... large amounts of non-FOI docs (documents not obtained through legal means under Freedom of Information legislation) ... evidence of incriminating activities ..."

The information sheet said large amounts of "red-box data" not needed for day-to-day activities could be kept elsewhere than in the portable file, which could be just a briefcase.

The "red box" document was not one of the search targets specified in a list of 62 items in the warrants, which were supported by a 35-page affidavit detailing events leading up to the Government's request for a search.

However, Judge Richey ruled it was found under the "plain view doctrine," which allows evidence of a crime that is seen in plain view to be seized along with other evidence specified in a search warrant.

"The court finds that the agents' seizure of red-box data, and evidence of covert infiltration of private and state organizations to obtain documents were reasonable," the judge said.

He told the objecting defence lawyers the FBI agents had probable cause to believe these and other documents were evidence of criminal activities.

In his lengthy ruling on the admissibility of the documentary evidence and the legality of the raids (he concentrated only on the Los Angeles ones and said the Washington seizures were not used before the grand jury), Judge Richey noted that the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which was cited by the defense, was intended to prevent searches by unchecked authorities.

He commented: "No one in our civilized society is pleased by searches of churches lasting 20 hours and involving over 150 FBI agents ...

"However, the Fourth Amendment cannot become so inflexible that criminal activity can be completely insulated from our criminal justice system by the talismanic invocation of religion.

"We can only hope that never again in our history will the Government be required to perform such an unseemly task."




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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2010, 11:01 »
Wow! That is incredible.
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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2010, 15:46 »
Scientology responds.

Vie Google Translate:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informazione.it%2Fc%2F630D5EE1-7474-4F8C-AD6B-B54CEF95D419%2FLA-CHIESA-DI-SCIENTOLOGY-DI-TORINO-RISPONDE-ALL-ATTACCO-MEDIATICO&sl=it&tl=en

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Quello che la Chiesa aveva da dire sugli attacchi subiti dall'onorevole Violante risale agli anni '90 ed è stato pubblicato in una edizione speciale di Diritti dell'Uomo, rivista ufficiale della Chiesa di Scientology. What the Church had to say about Mr Violante attacks dating back to the 90s and was published in a special edition of Human Rights, the official magazine of the Church of Scientology.

"Abbiamo ancora qualche copia del video "La Verità scomoda", citato da La Stampa e che documenta il tutto. Può visionarlo chiunque voglia comprendere megliola realtà della situazione di allora. Realtà che se fosse stata correttamente inserita nel tempo, sarebbe apparsa immediatamente priva di qualsiasi attualità o interesse, ha detto Cicogna. "We still have some copies of the video" The Inconvenient Truth ", quoted by La Stampa and documenting everything. Meglioli can view anyone who wants to understand the reality of the situation then. Reality if it had been inserted correctly in time, it appeared immediately without any relevance or interest, said Stork.

Durante la perquisizione invece sono stati portati via alcuni fascicoli personali usati per la consulenza religiosa: per la nostra religione sono sacri ed è stata una grave violenza nei confronti dei fedeli. During the search but were taken away some personal files used for religious advice: for our religion are sacred and it was a serious violence against the faithful.

D'altra parte comprendiamo la necessità di effettuare delle verifiche e abbiamo fiducia nella magistratura che alla fine è sempre stata in grado di garantire il rispetto dei diritti costituzionali e la libertà di appartenere ad una religione, anche minoritaria, che in questo periodo sembra essere l'unico diritto da dover essere strenuamente difeso. On the other hand we understand the need for checks and we have confidence in the judiciary that the end has always been able to guarantee respect for constitutional rights and freedom of belonging to a religion, even as a minority, which in this period seems to be 'only right that they should be strenuously defended.

La Chiesa di Scientology prosegue le sue attività religiose e sociali per contribuire al miglioramento di un clima reso sempre più teso da confusione ed equivoci causati a bella posta e fondati su nulla". The Church of Scientology continues its religious and social activities to help improve the climate made it increasingly tended to confusion and misunderstandings due to deliberately and based on nothing. "

Gli scritti religiosi di L. The religious writings of L. Ron Hubbard sono a disposizione di chiunque, gratuitamente, nelle principali biblioteche italiane. Ron Hubbard are available to anyone free of charge in the main Italian libraries. L'invito è di leggerli e farsi una propria idea e ragione della Chiesa. The invitation to read and form their own idea and reason of the Church. Leggendoli una persona può comprendere senza pregiudizio quali siano le motivazioni e gli intenti religiosi della Chiesa di Scientology e quelli spirituali e sociali dei membri che davvero applicano una conoscenza nuova ed efficace alla portata di tutti. Reading a person can understand without prejudice to what the motivations and intentions of the Church of Scientology's religious and spiritual and social members who really apply new knowledge and effective for everyone.

Per maggiori informazioni: www.scientology.org For more information: www.scientology.org

lawl, "We had the PC and SP files behind locked doors! We didn't do ANYTHING wrong!"

Quick edit: How safe ARE the files? This is at the Dallas Org.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBIgjrIn3o4
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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2010, 23:52 »
Translation of above, in case the info gets relocated;

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THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF TURIN counter the attack

MEDIA

"We are trying to pass off as a proper criminal law enforcement and are written so many other absurdities."

Milan, 21/05/2010 ( informazione.it - press releases )

With these words Joseph Stork spokesman responds to the attack by the media which led to the raid in Turin headquarters of the Church of Scientology.

To begin with, is made in the articles seem strange that the files have been found in a locked room. Offices or rooms locked are the ones where the folders are kept confidential, protected by secret confessional, in order to respect the privacy of parishioners who entrust them with confidence to the ministers.

Also - Stork continues - the minutes of the Police Headquarters in Turin are not seized or documents relating to "Violante and Don Ciotti," nor of "magistrates and police," nor "family" of former members of the Church of Scientology, because there are not.

Regarding the "journalists" the only document found on Mr. Luca Poma.

On its position towards the Church of Scientology and vice versa judges have available all evidence to properly assess a situation of routine.

What the Church had to say about Mr Violante attacks dating back to the 90s and was published in a special edition of Human Rights, the official magazine of the Church of Scientology.

"We still have some copies of the video" The Inconvenient Truth ", quoted by La Stampa and documenting everything. Meglioli can view anyone who wants to understand the reality of the situation then. Reality if it had been inserted correctly in time, it appeared immediately without any relevance or interest, said Stork.

During the search but were taken away some personal files used for religious advice: for our religion are sacred and it was a serious violence against the faithful.

On the other hand we understand the need for checks and we have confidence in the judiciary that the end has always been able to guarantee respect for constitutional rights and freedom of belonging to a religion, even as a minority, which in this period seems to be 'only right that they should be strenuously defended.

The Church of Scientology continues its religious and social activities to help improve the climate made it increasingly tended to confusion and misunderstandings due to deliberately and based on nothing. "

The religious writings of L. Ron Hubbard are available to anyone free of charge in the main Italian libraries. The invitation to read and form their own idea and reason of the Church. Reading a person can understand without prejudice to what the motivations and intentions of the Church of Scientology's religious and spiritual and social members who really apply new knowledge and effective for everyone.

For more information: www.scientology.org

Not happy to see scientology's website link tacked on, but, hey, people would have to be extremely foolish after reading the article to go there. :/
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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2010, 10:57 »
The heck ... I need to slow down. I could SWEAR I had copied the English from the article post D:

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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2010, 11:02 »
Maybe, I need to slow down too........it looks like you copied both  :D
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2010, 10:22 »
Scientology's list

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by Tommaso Cerno

June 1, 2010

Secret lists seized at the sect's Torino chapter. Dozens of files containing the names of members and even enemies: politicians, judges, journalists

Officially, he has never existed. He is a follower like all the others, a Scientology staff member who ministers to the souls of the richest and most controversial sect on the planet. In reality, however, his job is more delicate. He is part of Department 20, a parallel structure on which the security of the church founded by Ron Hubbard depends. It is an organization which, just like an intelligence service, has its own hierarchy and reports to the headquarters in Los Angeles.

Until now, the information-gathering activity of Scientology's 007s had only been described by rumors and the accounts of persons who have left Scientology. Educational background, political affiliation, health status, sexual orientation: all of these details are collected over the years by "religious ministers" to whom believers confess with the aid of a so-called e-meter, a device that supposedly locates areas of spiritual distress. This went on for decades, until something happened in Turin: a nine-hour raid on Via Bersezio that brought to light part this hidden truth. The detectives of the mobile squad seized documents and personal computers in a basement storeroom containing "dozens of files".

These are normal records about the progress of followers, Scientology officials argue. However this is contradicted by the case of journalist Luca Poma, who for several years was associated with the sect and received assurances in writing that the information about him had been destroyed: "Instead, my file was still there," he says. Unfortunately, these files do not only concern members, but also outsiders. For this reason, the investigation is delicate. One of the suspected offenses is a violation of Article 100, which regulates the protection and processing of sensitive data. Investigators will have to examine how the information was acquired and stored.

What are these folders really for? "L'Espresso" succeeded in contacting an official of the secret department who has decided to speak out. He requested that his identity remain undisclosed. He fears that that the sect might go after him as he himself went after others and that the dossiers he compiled could be used against him. Because Turin is not an isolated case: "In every city where there is a church, there is a Department 20. Its purpose is to keep under control persons who are hostile to the sect, as well as those who could help it. Every meeting with opinion leaders or politicians is described in writing along with other information. The report is stored for future use," says the Hubbard 007. Among the ranks of politicians, judges, and journalists, Scientology discerns those who, in its jargon, are called "suppressive persons" - real or potential enemies.

"Information is collected through research, from details confided by friends and acquaintances, and by participation at events. There is also a form of surveillance, but in Italy it might be entrusted to private investigators and not done directly as in the United States," he says. "These files are mined to obtain money, because they can be used to make people pay for courses to handle their 'ruin' - the reason a person's life is not heading in the desired direction. But the files are also culled for information about a person's private life, should a person become hostile to Scientology."

One sign of this is the anonymous websites that have sprung up against former members and which post letters, phone calls, and information about encounters that are too frequent to occur by chance. There are even instances of political pressure, says the official. "One famous example is 'Tell It All', a website built ad hoc under direct orders from the U.S.. A made-up story was posted about supposed Interior Ministry and Secret Service officials having infiltrated the organization. The purpose was obvious: to flush out any real infiltrators and, most of all, to receive protection from these institutions." Protection that the investigations will now be able to weaken.

original at http://espresso.repubblica.it/dettaglio/scientologys-list/2128161/8
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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2010, 11:17 »

 Isn't there a Youtube video or series of Youtube videos up by some young scientologist showing all the personal files of cult members just sitting haphazardly in a garage? This was an american.

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« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 11:29 »

 Isn't there a Youtube video or series of Youtube videos up by some young scientologist showing all the personal files of cult members just sitting haphazardly in a garage? This was an american.

Dallas, to be exact.


Quick edit: How safe ARE the files? This is at the Dallas Org.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBIgjrIn3o4

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« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 11:35 »

 Isn't there a Youtube video or series of Youtube videos up by some young scientologist showing all the personal files of cult members just sitting haphazardly in a garage? This was an american.

Dallas, to be exact.


Quick edit: How safe ARE the files? This is at the Dallas Org.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBIgjrIn3o4

Sweet! Wonder it we could somehow get this to the Italian authorities.

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« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2010, 11:55 »

 Just shared the video "Scientology: Your "Safe" Auditing Files" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBIgjrIn3o4 with the 3 news agencies covering the cult Italian raid. Posted to them in Italian thanks to Google.

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Re: Italy raids Scientology
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2010, 02:16 »
Good idea, ST. It can't hurt!
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