Author Topic: Narconon Arrowhead trying to recruit "Addiction Referral Specialists"  (Read 6158 times)

Offline BigBeard

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Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but it should also be made clear no one on this board supports or condones illegal activity.
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Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but it should also be made clear no one on this board supports or condones illegal activity.

You are correct, BigBeard. Also, very wise words from 10oriocookies for your friend, Alphajunkmail.
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Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but it should also be made clear no one on this board supports or condones illegal activity.

You are correct, BigBeard. Also, very wise words from 10oriocookies for your friend, Alphajunkmail.

Hi Me!!  Sorry I haven't gotten back to you.  All is well.  I speak from experience in this matter.  If you have done the Narconon Program and are still clean, you are at risk for relapse as there is no continuing care and the "tools" taught at Narconon generally don't work or there are much more simple and effective ways to handle things.  If you have done the Narconon Program and reverted and are trying to get clean while exposing this scam, your priorities are off.  Treating the addiction should come first.  Quality of life improves greatly after getting real help.  My hat is off to the Narconon Grads who stayed clean, but I would bet that vast amounts of improvement are still attainable if professional help is sought. 

My two cents.  Take em or leave em. 
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Offline Alphajunkmail

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I appreciate the advice and the words of caution. I actually worded my original post on the matter about the keys in a way that would do exactly what it did and cause a little internal chaos at Arrowhead. At no point was my insider going to do anything illegal or break into offices. The red flags already went up there and had the bees buzzing with concern. Actually those keys had been given back to staff upon arriving but to someone that is aiding my friend in communicating to me as well as giving information to them. My person has people on staff looking out for their ability. Not all staff are drinking the koolaid all the time.
This person is there for treatment and is going to play the game as needed because the family is adamant that NN is the place as family members have/do currently work within the cult so the choice isn't something that will be wavered on unfortunately.
Also, I referred to this person as a friend when in fact they are more like an ally for the cause than they are a chum. We didn't quite see eye to eye when occupying posts at the same time as this person had some authority over me, but surprisingly I found this person to be on this side of things before returning to NNAH and reached out to at least expose them for what can be exposed from the student side. We knew Ethics would be the first hit on this person due to the way they left staff before. That time will be used to write OW's on former staff/students/people that will benefit this person by attacking while "taking responsibility" for their own transgressions as well. Basically, he/she is going to start writing things up about people we worked with or had dealings with that may be more than slightly made up. This is beneficial as it builds the trust between this person and current staff as well as springboards easy condition handlings. As for specifics on relaying info, I try to exaggerate or modify some details to keep the in-house watching eyes guessing when those exact things don't actually occur, much like the key thing.
When I said before that I didn't know about OSA watching, that was true but I always knew Gary Smith and Mike St. Amand lived on these pages. It was always the subject Du Jour at our rah rah staff meetings.
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Pardon my forum etiquette too since I don't quote or reply correctly, often or ever. I'm still trying to get the hang of this and I probably miss a lot of the things I should do to correctly respond or reply to things.
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Pardon my forum etiquette too since I don't quote or reply correctly, often or ever. I'm still trying to get the hang of this and I probably miss a lot of the things I should do to correctly respond or reply to things.

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Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but it should also be made clear no one on this board supports or condones illegal activity.

You are correct, BigBeard. Also, very wise words from 10oriocookies for your friend, Alphajunkmail.

Hi Me!!  Sorry I haven't gotten back to you.  All is well.  I speak from experience in this matter.  If you have done the Narconon Program and are still clean, you are at risk for relapse as there is no continuing care and the "tools" taught at Narconon generally don't work or there are much more simple and effective ways to handle things.  If you have done the Narconon Program and reverted and are trying to get clean while exposing this scam, your priorities are off.  Treating the addiction should come first.  Quality of life improves greatly after getting real help.  My hat is off to the Narconon Grads who stayed clean, but I would bet that vast amounts of improvement are still attainable if professional help is sought. 

My two cents.  Take em or leave em.

Indeed, treating addiction must come first and be a 100% priority.

Posted by: Alphajunkmail:>

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This person is there for treatment and is going to play the game as needed ...

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When I said before that I didn't know about OSA watching ...

This 'could' be a risky 'game' to play especially if 'there for treatment' ...

You can be sure, without a doubt, that OSA and/or minions are reading/watching and reading what's here 'could' lead back to or 'OUT' the 'game player'?

Just my opinion coming from over 5 years experience with OSA ...
« Last Edit: June 15, 2015, 12:57 by Intelligence »
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Offline SocialTransparency

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I always knew Gary Smith and Mike St. Amand lived on these pages. It was always the subject Du Jour at our rah rah staff meetings.

Well then. A BIG HELLO  to Gary Smith and Mike St.Amand! How you 2 guys sleep at night is beyond me...

Offline Intelligence

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I always knew Gary Smith and Mike St. Amand lived on these pages. It was always the subject Du Jour at our rah rah staff meetings.

Well then. A BIG HELLO  to Gary Smith and Mike St.Amand! How you 2 guys sleep at night is beyond me...

THIS ^^^ and with no sleep, their hair, what's left of it, must be a mess with no mirrors to look in? Seriously, how can these Con-Men look at themselves in the mirror? 'All For The Greast Good' - I suppose. :(
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Offline Alphajunkmail

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Anything else, just ask.  You'll get the hang of it soon enough.   :)
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Thank You very much!!!


Indeed, treating addiction must come first and be a 100% priority.

This 'could' be a risky 'game' to play especially if 'there for treatment' ...

You can be sure, without a doubt, that OSA and/or minions are reading/watching and reading what's here 'could' lead back to or 'OUT' the 'game player'?

Just my opinion coming from over 5 years experience with OSA ...

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Agreed that treatment should be the top priority but that would indicate that the person was there to handle an addiction instead of a troubled marriage. But that is all I can really get in to without giving away too much.
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Offline 10oriocookies

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With around 25 clients there it's not going to be too hard to figure it all out.  The damage is already done, suggest to your friend that they leave and seek addiction and marriage counseling.  Just the fact that they are there to save the marriage is enough to send them packing.

I'm just going to write this:  I'm pretty suspicious of this whole thing.  You can ask anyone there who knows me and they will tell you I'm okay to confide in.  If you really want to cause change there then report to he applicable agencies and move on.  Getting revenge or whatever other motive you have is not worth the time wasted on obsessing over AH.  You have been in the grips of a cult for some time and your efforts are better spent dealing with you first.
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Offline Mary_McConnell

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I always knew Gary Smith and Mike St. Amand lived on these pages. It was always the subject Du Jour at our rah rah staff meetings.

Well then. A BIG HELLO  to Gary Smith and Mike St.Amand! How you 2 guys sleep at night is beyond me...
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Offline Mary_McConnell

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With around 25 clients there it's not going to be too hard to figure it all out.  The damage is already done, suggest to your friend that they leave and seek addiction and marriage counseling.  Just the fact that they are there to save the marriage is enough to send them packing.

I'm just going to write this:  I'm pretty suspicious of this whole thing.  You can ask anyone there who knows me and they will tell you I'm okay to confide in.  If you really want to cause change there then report to he applicable agencies and move on.  Getting revenge or whatever other motive you have is not worth the time wasted on obsessing over AH.  You have been in the grips of a cult for some time and your efforts are better spent dealing with you first.

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Offline Mary_McConnell

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I want to make clear to all who read this thread that the "Addiction Referral Specialist" course thing was not at all mandated by the state. The state has nothing to do with this course.

It's a course to teach people how to refer people to Narconon. It's a sales/reg course for non-employees, which they and Scientology call Field Staff Members (aka FSMs).

This is a course that uses an Arrowhead or Narconon Int created sales checksheet and the materials to learn how to convince people to bring themselves or their loved ones to the program they recommend and then to refer them to the Arrowhead reg who then convinces them to fork over their money to pay for the Narconon program.  They most assuredly use Big League Sales  references and drills, as well as similar tactics like those one can find in the leaked NArconon and fake referral site drugrehab.org reg scripts I posted on my scribd that were leaked to me, which were the subject of this article
http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/11/leaked-scripts-spell-out-how-scientology-directs-the-unsuspecting-to-its-rehab-network/
and are used as exhibits in many court cases now.

I believe this  Arrowhead course was created to get more people referring to them, as well as to create a checksheet "hat' for the referrers.  But no, the state had nothing to do with this. It's not a licensing or certification course. It's a moneymaking course
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