Author Topic: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?  (Read 14488 times)

Offline lastvestige22

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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2013, 17:29 »
I mean "fine" as is.

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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2013, 18:25 »
So that explains the question and the answer.  If they left their positions, they are probably doing fine...or at least much better.

Odd that the positions wouldn't be filled.  It would mean that the executive director was holding and running those positions as well.  It's a pretty big center not to have all executive positions filled. 

Well, if they have left they are welcome to come here.  The pay kind of sucks,  but at least you get to be honest.

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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2013, 00:20 »

Well, if they have left they are welcome to come here.  The pay kind of sucks,  but at least you get to be honest.
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2013, 11:11 »
No checks from big pharma.  ;)

Oh really?  I am disappoint.    :(

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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #44 on: February 03, 2014, 21:10 »
http://glisteningquiveringunderbelly.blogspot.com/2014/02/narconon-freedom-center-replaces.html

Latest post from Miss Fortune speaks of the executive director of Narconon Freedom drug rehabs relapse and replacement.  She's citing an article written by him claiming an almost 90% success rate there. 

It's odd how many reports from students mention rampant drug use, yet their official reports say 90% success.


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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2014, 21:50 »
Gotta love those insiders ;D
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2014, 18:07 »
I heard from different reliable sources that Narconon Freedom Center is closing down for good. I suspect that's why Narconon Int sent Jeanne Trahant there.

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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2014, 18:53 »
Great news, Mary!
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2014, 19:38 »
^^^ If it's accurate, yes!! Hoping so :)
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2014, 20:39 »
They may be closing down, but I heard that Brian is somewhere opening up a 250 bed facility.  Could be false, but source has no reason to lie to me.
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2014, 22:34 »
I was under the impression that currently Narconon can't fill 200 beds total in all their facilities.  Which leads me to believe that if there is a 250 bed, it is one of the new scientology/NARCONON spin offs.

Can't imagine a traditional place considering Brian's current condition and experience to be worth hiring.

Only in scientology do you see someone sleeping with clients/graduates, getting drunk and or high, getting fired and then running another rehab weeks later.

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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2014, 22:47 »
They may be closing down, but I heard that Brian is somewhere opening up a 250 bed facility.  Could be false, but source has no reason to lie to me.

Probably working at the Thurmont property in Maryland ( mentioned as Washington DC. Of course, it's not licensed and never will be. Supposed to a 'training center' but you know how these crooks work.

Land sold Sept 2013 to the state. Not sure about property

Account Identifier:    District - 15 Account Number - 340851
Owner Name:    SOCIAL BETTERMENT PROPERTIES
INTERNATIONAL    Use:
Principal Residence:    RESIDENTIAL
NO
Mailing Address:    1710 IVAR AVE
SUITE 1105
LOS ANGELES CA 90028-    Deed Reference:    1) /09767/ 00034
2)
Location & Structure Information
Premises Address:    12929 CATOCTIN HOLLOW RD
0-0000
   Legal Description:
   26.84 ACRES

CATOCTIN HOLLOW RD.
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0025    19    38       0000             2012    Plat Ref:    92/ 83
Special Tax Areas:    Town:    NONE
Ad Valorem:    300
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1940    5,232 SF       26.8400 AC
   
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Seller: TROUT RUN LLC    Date: 04/17/2013    Price: $0
Type: NON-ARMS LENGTH OTHER    Deed1: /09493/ 00147    Deed2:
Seller: HAUGERUD, HOWARD E. & TAMAJEAN A.    Date: 02/20/2007    Price: $0
Type: NON-ARMS LENGTH OTHER    Deed1: /06461/ 00127    Deed2:
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Tax Exempt:    Special Tax Recapture:
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Account Identifier:    District - 15 Account Number - 340878
Owner Information
Owner Name:    SOCIAL BETTERMENT PROPERTIES
INTERNATIONAL    Use:
Principal Residence:    RESIDENTIAL
NO
Mailing Address:    1710 IVAR AVE
SUITE 1105
LOS ANGELES CA 90028-    Deed Reference:    1) /09767/ 00034
2)
Location & Structure Information
Premises Address:    CATOCTIN HOLLOW RD
0-0000
   Legal Description:
   13.15 ACRES

CATOCTIN HOLLOW RD
Map:    Grid:    Parcel:    Sub District:    Subdivision:    Section:    Block:    Lot:    Assessment Year:    Plat No:    
0025    0019    0038       0000             2012    Plat Ref:    92/ 84
Special Tax Areas:    Town:    NONE
Ad Valorem:    300
Tax Class:    
Primary Structure Built    Above Grade Enclosed Area    Finished Basement Area    Property Land Area    County Use
1970    2,220 SF    600 SF    13.1500 AC    
Stories    Basement    Type    Exterior    Full/Half Bath    Garage    Last Major Renovation
2.000000    YES    STANDARD UNIT    FRAME    3 full    
   
Value Information
   Base Value    Value    Phase-in Assessments
      As of
01/01/2012    As of
07/01/2013    As of
07/01/2014
Land:    282,400    143,300
Improvements    163,300    165,600
Total:    445,700    308,900    308,900    308,900
Preferential Land:    0          0
Transfer Information
Seller: TROUT RUN LLC    Date: 09/16/2013    Price: $4,850,000
Type: ARMS LENGTH MULTIPLE    Deed1: /09767/ 00034    Deed2:
Seller: TROUT RUN LLC    Date: 04/17/2013    Price: $0
Type: NON-ARMS LENGTH OTHER    Deed1: /09493/ 00155    Deed2:
Seller: HAUGERUD, HOWARD E. & TOMAJEAN A.    Date: 02/20/2007    Price: $0
Type: NON-ARMS LENGTH OTHER    Deed1: /06461/ 00131    Deed2:
Exemption Information
Partial Exempt Assessments:    Class    07/01/2013    07/01/2014
County:    000    0.00    
State:    000    0.00    
Municipal:    000    0.00|0.00    0.00|0.00
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http://www.kjonline.com/realestate/Trout-Run-The-Other-Camp-David.html?pagenum=1
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2014, 11:43 »
The address of "Social Betterment Properties" at 1710 Ivar AVe, Suite 1105, Los Angeles, California appears to be the same address as:

L. Ron Hubbard Personal Public Relations Office International
1710 Ivar Avenue, Suite 1105
Los Angeles, California 90028

Which is in the same building as the Church of Scientology International office as well as the Religious Technology Center.

So, in other words, Scientology owns Narconon buildings, licenses their material for use by Narconon, is staffed by executives who are all Scientologists, and are paid monies by Narconon...but they aren't affiliated with Scientology.

Maybe this site is now the equivalent of a Narconon RPF, where they just send any staff members who relapse there to cut logs, dig trenches and paint buildings for free as a part of their conditions workup.



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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2014, 12:01 »
Brian already did that, and the kitchen manager slipped and fell and hurt himself on a floor Brian cleaned.  They are fighting his claim apparently and then laid him off. 
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2014, 12:16 »
For those who want to better understand Scientology, in the event 10orio just described, here are some of the actions and beliefs of Scientology in regards to an incident like that:

1) This wouldn't be considered Brian's (or the person who cleaned the floor and made it slippery) fault, but the fault of the kitchen manager.  He "pulled it in" as a result of his own problems.
2) Kitchen Manager would be required to do a 'contact assist' or to re-enact the injurious event over and over until "fixed".
3) Kitchen Manager would be strongly discouraged against going to the hospital unless hours and hours of contact assist were delivered first and it didn't work.
4) Kitchen Manager would be forbidden to take any medication, such as aspirin or other pain medications.
5) Kitchen Manager might be required to do a locational where he would be asked to walk around the kitchen looking at different things.
6) Kitchen Manager might have to have a PTS interview to determine what suppressive people or events were occuring in his/her life.
7) Kitchen Manager might have to write up his O/Ws or any harmful acts that he did in regards to the kitchen, that were causing him to be so problematic.
8) If Kitchen Manager had a lot of O/Ws he might be pulled from post until he worked through an entire condition workup.
9) Kitchen Manager would be absolutely forbidden to claim temporary disability benefits as this would be considered Suppressive against the Org and he would be terminated from his job and denied access to Scientology Services unless he made up the damages for applying for disability.


Boy, at my job we just say sorry I didn't warn you about the slippery floor and the boss would send them to the doctor, hoping that they are ok.



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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2014, 12:26 »
^^^^
Yup

If the kitchen manager who was hurt needs assistance with his claim, contact me. xscilentologist at yahoo.com
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2014, 19:41 »
^^^
Hubbard really came up with some of the worst dehumanizing malarkey. Derek Bloch wrote about this on his blog:
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The Truly Dark Side of Scientology

A common sentiment in Scientology is the idea that, "You pulled it in." What this statement, in all it's infinite simplicity, means is that everything that happens to you in your life is your fault. If you get sick, contract cancer, are born mentally challenged or are mentally ill it is said to be your fault.

Scientologists lack compassion for anyone who suffers in this life. Any suffering is automatically deemed to be the fault of the individual, regardless of circumstance. They believe that you made a choice when you were born, to which family you would be born and that the state of your body at birth depends entirely upon the deeds which you committed during your previous life....

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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2014, 21:22 »
^^^^
Derek wrote some terrific stuff there. Good for all to read. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2014, 09:54 »
I hate to hear about anyone relapsing, even if it does make bad PR for Narconon.

They may be closing down, but I heard that Brian is somewhere opening up a 250 bed facility.  Could be false, but source has no reason to lie to me.

It could also just be something that Brian said he was going to do, in a moment of injured pride.  Your source may not be lying to you, but someone may have lied to, or just misinformed, your source.  Or it could just be speculation and rumors circulating.  (Of course, I don't have any specific details, so I may be way off base and it may be absolute fact.)

I hope the now somewhat infamous BK will do some self-examination and decide to get out of the Narconon business. 
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Re: Hey, isn't that the ED of Narconon Freedom Center?
« Reply #59 on: October 08, 2014, 23:54 »
They may be closing down, but I heard that Brian is somewhere opening up a 250 bed facility.  Could be false, but source has no reason to lie to me.

Probably working at the Thurmont property in Maryland ( mentioned as Washington DC. Of course, it's not licensed and never will be. Supposed to a 'training center' but you know how these crooks work.

Land sold Sept 2013 to the state. Not sure about property

Account Identifier:    District - 15 Account Number - 340851
Owner Name:    SOCIAL BETTERMENT PROPERTIES
INTERNATIONAL    Use:
Principal Residence:    RESIDENTIAL
NO
Mailing Address:    1710 IVAR AVE
SUITE 1105
LOS ANGELES CA 90028-    Deed Reference:    1) /09767/ 00034
2)
Hmm. They're using the RTC dodge of the side address for the Hollywood Guaranty Building. Most CoS/WISE addresses use 6331 Hollywood Boulevard.