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Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« on: March 10, 2013, 19:39 »


http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=9908

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Documents received today, confirm that Narconon Trois-Rivieres in Quebec, Canada, has had their charitable status revoked by the Canada Revenue Agency. A 5 page formal complaint, with attached evidence documents, was filed on January 17, 2012 against Narconon Incorporated and Narconon Trois-Rivieres with the Ottawa Agency.

(...)
 
Credible sources indicate that another Scientology drug rehab will be opening soon in a more favourable Province, Ontario, with a “Canadian Medical Detox” website posted on October 14, 2012, by President P. Dubreuil, an Ex-Narconon Trois-Rivieres staff member.

(...)
 
However, with the numerous patient deaths in Georgia and Oklahoma, USA, and the troubles in Canada, health agencies and government authorities are keeping a close watch.


MORE HERE:
http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=9908
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2013, 20:06 »
What's the website?  Where is the new one to be located?  Do they have public hearings in Ontario before they open?  Does the organization that oversees charitable status in Ottawa oversee it in Ontario?  Any info on the doctors associated with the new one?

If there was some tangible info about the new one a preemptive strike could orchestrated.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2013, 21:15 »
What's the website?  Where is the new one to be located?  Do they have public hearings in Ontario before they open?  Does the organization that oversees charitable status in Ottawa oversee it in Ontario?  Any info on the doctors associated with the new one?

If there was some tangible info about the new one a preemptive strike could orchestrated.

So far, just this website for medical detox. The President is an Ex-NN TR staff member:

http://medicaldetox.ca/withdrawal-management-centre/?fb_action_ids=10151103474720886&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

The Canada Revenue Agency oversees ALL Provinces in Canada, but this is only for registering an entity such as Narconon if they apply for charitable status. Narconon does not need charitable status to operate in Canada.

Public hearings? Only if the rehab will be opened in a location that requires rezoning or
a sensitive area. A public hearing can be requested by city or municipality if they request
it.

Yes, there are 2 doctors in Ontario who are Scientologists that I filed a formal complaint
against some time ago when they were seeing NN TR patients after Quebec banned their doctors.
The complaint is with the Ontario College of Physicians.

It appears that they are trying to go "Legit" with this new Canadian Medical Detox,
then coerce into a Narconon - - one they open in Ontario or another one? Either way, there's HUGE money in it for the executives and staff.

More to come :)

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2013, 21:27 »
The Canada Revenue Agency did not revoke NARCONON TROIS-RIVIERES' charity registration.  NARCONON TROIS-RIVIERES voluntarily requested it be revoked.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/lstngs/menu-eng.html

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Revoked voluntarily

    Registration as a charity or Canadian amateur athletic association has been cancelled at the charity's or Canadian amateur athletic association's request. Voluntary revocation may be requested for a number of reasons, such as:

        a lack of available resources;
        dissolution of the organization;
        a merger or consolidation; or
        no further need for organization's services (for example, the project or program it was established to undertake is complete).
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/chrts-gvng/chrts/glssry-eng.html#revoked

Basic Search Results 

Statistics and data on the Charities and Giving Web pages are compiled by the Charities Directorate of the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) for the sole purpose of providing the public with direct access to information about charities in Canada.

The CRA is not responsible for the use and manipulation by any persons of this information.

Canadian Revoked Charities - Detail Page 

The Charities Directorate has not necessarily verified the information provided by the Charity.

NARCONON TROIS-RIVIERES
BN/Registration Number:
861372548RR0001
Charity Status:
Revoked
Effective Date of Status:
2013-02-02
Sanction:
N/A
Language of Correspondence:
English
Designation Description:
Charitable Organization
Charity Type:
Benefits to the Community & Other
Category:
Temperance Associations
Address:
1581 ST-ALEXIS
City:
TROIS-RIVIERES
Province/Territory/Other:
QUEBEC
Country:
CA
Postal Code/Zip Code:
G8W2C9
Charity Email Address:
N/A
Charity Web site Address:
N/A
 
Revocation:
 
Type of Revocation: Voluntary Revocation
Income Tax Act Reference: ITA 168.(1) - 168.(2)
Additional Information: N/A
 
Registered Charity Information Return: T3010 Return
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch/basicsearchresult-eng.action?k=Narconon%20Trois-Rivieres&s=registered&=Search&p=1&b=true&amp&p=1&f=25#pageControl

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/ebci/haip/srch/charity-eng.action?r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cra-arc.gc.ca%3A80%2Febci%2Fhaip%2Fsrch%2Fbasicsearchresult-eng.action%3Fk%3DNarconon%2520Trois-Rivieres%26amp%3Bamp%3Bs%3Dregistered%26amp%3Bamp%3B%3DSearch%26amp%3Bamp%3Bp%3D1%26amp%3Bamp%3Bb%3Dtrue%26amp%3Bamp%26amp%3Bp%3D1%26amp%3Bf%3D25&bn=861372548RR0001
« Last Edit: March 10, 2013, 21:36 by Mary_McConnell »
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2013, 21:42 »
It's in the Wire Service article that NN TR "Voluntarily" had Revenue Canada Revoke their Charitable Status.

http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=9908

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The recent revocation of Narconon Trois-Rivieres charitable status is deemed "voluntary" and falls under one or more of the following criteria:

•a lack of available resources;
•dissolution of the organization;
•a merger or consolidation; or
•no further need for organization's services (for example, the project or program it was established to undertake is complete).

A charity, such as NN TR, can not Revoke their own Charitable Status without requesting Revenue Canada to do it. It is Revenue Canada that Revokes, whether on a "Voluntary" basis or if the Agency does it for "Cause."

More details still coming in as to WHY and will post as available and more importantly "credible" :)
« Last Edit: March 10, 2013, 21:59 by Intelligence »
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2013, 22:32 »
Looks like them requesting the charitable status going away is part of the process of closing down.  Whats more important, i think, is them setting up shop elsewhere. 
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2013, 22:37 »
Whats more important, i think, is them setting up shop elsewhere.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure you are right about that.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2013, 22:40 »
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2013, 22:41 »
Looking at the link it looks like there has been no progress at all on that front.  Im hoping Intelligence can find out where and post it.  If they are having the financial difficulty he says, they will need an outside source for funding.  Thats a big gamble considering the last one got closed down.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2013, 22:46 »
It's in the Wire Service article that NN TR "Voluntarily" had Revenue Canada Revoke their Charitable Status.

http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=9908

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The recent revocation of Narconon Trois-Rivieres charitable status is deemed "voluntary" and falls under one or more of the following criteria:

•a lack of available resources;
•dissolution of the organization;
•a merger or consolidation; or
•no further need for organization's services (for example, the project or program it was established to undertake is complete).

A charity, such as NN TR, can not Revoke their own Charitable Status without requesting Revenue Canada to do it. It is Revenue Canada that Revokes, whether on a "Voluntary" basis or if the Agency does it for "Cause."

More details still coming in as to WHY and will post as available and more importantly "credible" :)

David, I never said you didn't include the voluntary part. But what you did was start your article with a sensational headline and then this:

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Documents received today, confirm that Narconon Trois-Rivieres in Quebec, Canada, has had their charitable status revoked by the Canada Revenue Agency. A 5 page formal complaint, with attached evidence documents, was filed on January 17, 2012 against Narconon Incorporated and Narconon Trois-Rivieres with the Ottawa Agency.

^^^^
This statement of yours implies that
1) The agency revoked their registration when the fact is it is a voluntary revocation, requested by Narconon and clearly noted by the agency as such. Their obligation is to take the organization off the registry by listing as revoked ( voluntary revocation) so people don't keep donating.

2) That the agency revoked it due to the 5 pg formal complaint filed on January 17th, which has no basis in fact.

3) That the revocation was a punishment based upon the complaint filed in January which has no basis in fact.

This is embellishment. An example of "yellow journalism."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

You can do better than this. Perhaps you are not aware of the standards and ethics of the journalism community? Here is so information on them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_standards_and_ethics
 
« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 00:45 by Mary_McConnell »
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2013, 22:51 »
From the website of their new Medical Detox in Ontario, it appears they are going to use "medical" staff to even administer Meds for withdrawal?

 At NN TR, they had a phoney medical detox set up in a Motel, but this one ^^^ I think, MIGHT be
 a bonifide 'medical detox'?

 http://medicaldetox.ca/withdrawal-m...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

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Just on the physical aspect, one can understand that simply withdrawing “cold turkey” of some drug and even from alcohol, when taken in large quantity, could be harmful to the body and cause severe trauma – coma or even death. At the very least, it causes extreme discomfort, chills, hallucinations, extreme sensitivity, aches and pain, etc. For many, attempting to withdraw from such substances could be likened to willingly submitting oneself to torture.


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Use the proper amount of medications to make the withdrawal process more comfortable and safe.

 This ^^^ looks legit?

 BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHER THINGS ON THE WEBSITE THAT LOOKS LIKE NN:


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Use natural supplements to rebuild the body.

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Ensure that patients don’t get switched from the drug/alcohol from which they wanted to withdraw to another drug.

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•Finds the real why behind substances abuse and work with the person, one-on-one, to address what has been found.

 •Provide safe and drug free alternatives to deal with the problems that caused the person to use drugs in the first place.

 IMO, this could very well be just another Quack NN morph. *IF* it is a legit medical detox,
 they would need Government/College oversight and the Ministry of Health would frown on
 their: "Ensure that patients don’t get switched from the drug/alcohol from which they wanted to withdraw to another drug."

 In Canada, the Health Ministries have accepted and regulated drug substitute therapies, as a
 "Harm Reduction' motto. NN TR would NOT accept the Quebec Ministry insisting they accept
 and another reason they were shut down.

 Another suspicious point on their website, is NO address or phone number, just a drop-down box
 to fill in and send:

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2013, 22:57 »
Interesting and a bit suspicious in more than one way. The legit sounding stuff is interwoven with eyebrow raising stuff.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, might be a duck  ;)

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2013, 23:00 »
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if you would like to know when we are going to open our doors, please send us an email at this address:

solution@medicaldetox.ca


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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2013, 23:00 »
Mary - I NEVER said in the article that the Revenue Aency had 5 complaints, as you so state here:

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That the agency revoked it due to the 5 formal complaint filed on January 17th, which has no basis in fact.


The Article reads:

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Narconon Trois-Rivieres, ABLE Canada, Scientology Montreal et al. and Executives, still face 5 cases under investigation for nearly 2 years, by the Quebec Human Rights Commission. All 5 cases are now in the hands of the Commission lawyers.

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2013, 23:13 »
Mary - I did NOT say it was punishment in the Article, these are your words, NOT mine. WTF?

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3) That the revocation was a punishment based upon the complaint filed in January which has no basis in fact.

The article READS the following based on FACT, as seen in the image below (5 Page formal Complaint):

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A 5 page formal complaint, with attached evidence documents, was filed on January 17, 2012 against Narconon Incorporated and Narconon Trois-Rivieres with the Ottawa Agency.



Mary, you should know by now, that I always post or publish, backed up by evidence documents - - some I can post, others I can not.


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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2013, 23:20 »
Interesting and a bit suspicious in more than one way. The legit sounding stuff is interwoven with eyebrow raising stuff.

Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, might be a duck  ;)

Yes, I agree - it sure does walk like a "ducky".

The website itself, IMO, just doesn't look very professional or well laid out and the text
grammar smells of similar NN publishings?

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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2013, 23:33 »
David, I never said you said. I said that your statement IMPLIES. Stop twisting what I say.

This is not the first time I have seen you do this with an article. If you don't get what I am saying, then forget it.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2013, 23:52 »
In looking at the website, it seems there is no physical location, opening date, way to call or anything.  To me, the article that was written was moot.  I mean that in the sense that it had little or no practical value. 

Dont get me wrong, i am not attacking anyone personally, I just think that relevant, factual posts serve the forum better.  People who come to this site for info may take that article to mean there is a narconon opening up in canada soon, which does not seem to be the case.  It tends to make us look like sensationalists who dont know what we are talking about.
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Re: Narconon Trois-Rivieres Charitable Status Revoked
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2013, 23:55 »
David, I never said you said. I said that your statement IMPLIES. Stop twisting what I say.

This is not the first time I have seen you do this with an article. If you don't get what I am saying, then forget it.

Yes, I agree, Mary - - let's just agree to disagree and move forward in exposing Narconon for their insideous abuses and neglect.

Seriously, I understand you view and we are all entitled to our views - - this is what makes a healthy society and Forums like this. Sorry you don't approve of how I presented the artticle
but that's just the way I presented it, and so be it.

In hindsight, I actually toned it down a wee bit and held back on a few Credible "Insider" source
documents. :)

Have a very nice evening, Mary - {{{HUG}}}

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