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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #60 on: November 04, 2012, 09:26 »
Based upon some background information I have read, I suspect he was sent to the hotel from staff housing because he was caught drinking ( which is not uncommon at Narconon - staff drinking or doing drugs in the housing area), maybe more than once ( his drug of choice and what ruined his career) and since it was more than 6 months since he'd done the program ( an he was probably mandated to be there for a year - hence joining staff like so many wind up doing), he was told he needed pay again for the program by a couple of Narconon staff who paid him a visit there. That he would be reported unless he redid the program.  In despair, knowing his mother was ill and dying of cancer ( like his father the previous year ) knowing he could not ask for the money, knowing that there probably was no more money, he got int an argument about it. Said getting more money couldn't be done. Said he had to stay there or else he'd lose everything and probably go to jail for previous DUI. Promised not to drink anymore. But perhaps Narconon wanted the money? This is what I suspect

After that. who knows. More info will be forth coming but time is needed .

How terrible for this young man, if true. Yes, he made the choice when he picked up the first drink or drug again, but he wanted help. He could have gotten help for free in Gwinnett County and elsewhere at 12 step groups.

In addition, State-funded inpatient and outpatient programs are available in the county. Fees are on a sliding-scale, based on family size and income.
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What a shame!
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2012, 11:52 »
I think it was David Love that talked about how a person is made to think that their family is why they have turned to drugs and if they go home, they will just relapse and die. This is to scare them and isolate them from their support at home and make them think the only way to survive is to stay on as NN staff (slave labor).

I would bet that NN also tells the students that NN is the only successful program and that on any other program they will relapse and die. This would be corroborated by the many experiences people have with multiple relapses as they are trying to recover from addiction, but then exaggerated to scare the students into staying and not seeking real help.

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« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2012, 18:10 »
I think it was David Love that talked about how a person is made to think that their family is why they have turned to drugs and if they go home, they will just relapse and die. This is to scare them and isolate them from their support at home and make them think the only way to survive is to stay on as NN staff (slave labor).

I would bet that NN also tells the students that NN is the only successful program and that on any other program they will relapse and die. This would be corroborated by the many experiences people have with multiple relapses as they are trying to recover from addiction, but then exaggerated to scare the students into staying and not seeking real help.

NN also tends to place clients as far from home as possible.
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2012, 20:29 »
It is absolutely criminal what these NN people do.  Mary Rieser is a complete and total liar.  She should be in prison.  She and her organization are almost certainly responsible... legally and morally... for the death of Ron Carona.  They have his blood on their hands.

The Gwinnett Police are clearly derelict in their obligations. 

This is yet another outrage.

Tragic indeed.

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Do we know for sure if the investigation into Ron Corona's death was completed?


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Do we know for sure if the investigation into Ron Corona's death was completed?

DCH was investigating Corona's death? First I heard of that. From what I know, he was a graduate and didn't live at the housing when he died. This thread is about DCH facility record requests.
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Do we know for sure if the investigation into Ron Corona's death was completed?

By the police?  I don't know.  I did try to call them to let them know about the people coming on the forum, but had to leave a message.  About a week or two later, the detective in charge of the case got back in touch with me.   ::) 

I tried to tell him about my concerns, and about the illegal housing and drug use there, and he told me that if anyone witnesses the illegal drug use, they should contact the police (but not him, because he's homicide). 

He asked me what kind of work I do that involves an interest in Narconon.  Sigh... I told him my work didn't have anything to do with that, and that I had an interest in Narconon because things that are wrong are taking place there, people are getting hurt, and that I'm just a person who is concerned about that.

None of the suspicious, creepy, and unusual stuff seemed to matter to him because it was an overdose.   :(  But I can't say whether there's still an investigation going on or not.

And now, since I've posted this inf, I'm going to move this part to the Ron Corona thread.   :)
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #67 on: December 21, 2012, 20:55 »
A few posts were moved over here from the DCH investigation of Narconon of Georgia and its own internal investigation thread.
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2012, 21:04 »
Thanks ethercat.
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I tried to tell him about my concerns, and about the illegal housing and drug use there, and he told me that if anyone witnesses the illegal drug use, they should contact the police (but not him, because he's homicide). 


would telling the police really help ron's case, and help to shutting down narconon? or just be throwing vulnerable addicts under the bus? i get the feeling that if telling the police eye witness statements would simply end up prosecuting individuals, not the bigger problem. narCONon.

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« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2012, 08:34 »
My take is that the police and district attorneys of the world (with rare exceptions) are over-extended and just not equipped or able to dig in and address the types of on-going fraudulent / quasi-criminal operations exemplified by Narconon.  For that matter, as we continue to see, state licensing authorities (which are caught up in the political realm) can't very effectively deal with it either.

What can work and work well, as demonstrated by the lawsuits in OK and the Desmond lawsuit here in GA, is (A) families hiring top-gun civil litigators to pursue high dollar compensatory awards and staying the course through that long and expensive process; and (B) major media catching up with the actions of the families and trial lawyers, and serving up some real investigative coverage to shine the cold hard light of day on the misconduct and really boost public awareness. IMO, what would really be most helpful in changing the dynamic at this point is an eight or nine figure jury award (or two or three) as a booming expression of the total outrage of society.

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« Reply #71 on: December 22, 2012, 09:14 »
My take is that the police and district attorneys of the world (with rare exceptions) are over-extended and just not equipped or able to dig in and address the types of on-going fraudulent / quasi-criminal operations exemplified by Narconon.  For that matter, as we continue to see, state licensing authorities (which are caught up in the political realm) can't very effectively deal with it either.

Yes, this is the situation. State agencies are under-resourced and overwhelmed, if not corrupt.

There have been several stories this year about neglect and abuse in metro Atlanta personal care homes. In some cases, the police were going door-to door, because the state agencies couldn't get around to all of them. These places are popping up on every corner, so you can imagine the challenge of monitoring them. With day care, nursing homes and assisted living under their purview, I suppose drug treatment is just not a priority.

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What can work and work well, as demonstrated by the lawsuits in OK and the Desmond lawsuit here in GA, is (A) families hiring top-gun civil litigators to pursue high dollar compensatory awards and staying the course through that long and expensive process; and (B) major media catching up with the actions of the families and trial lawyers, and serving up some real investigative coverage to shine the cold hard light of day on the misconduct and really boost public awareness. IMO, what would really be most helpful in changing the dynamic at this point is an eight or nine figure jury award (or two or three) as a booming expression of the total outrage of society

At this point, media exposure and litigation appear to be the best options for families and victims of Narconon.
 
A few articles on the situation with personal care homes in GA.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/investigators-go-door-door-checking-care-homes/nN89R/
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/lax-enforcement-in-personal-care-homes/nQT2J/
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I tried to tell him about my concerns, and about the illegal housing and drug use there, and he told me that if anyone witnesses the illegal drug use, they should contact the police (but not him, because he's homicide). 


would telling the police really help ron's case, and help to shutting down narconon? or just be throwing vulnerable addicts under the bus? i get the feeling that if telling the police eye witness statements would simply end up prosecuting individuals, not the bigger problem. narCONon.

Yes, well, I tried to explain to him that the individuals who would be in a position to witness the drug use were accustomed to avoiding the police, not reporting to them.  He wasn't sympathetic to that point of view at all, being a LEO, and he has a point.  If people are at Narconon, presumably they want to get clean, and using or being around drug use is not a good path to get clean.  I'm sympathetic to the addicts who aren't using while at NN, and the drug use by others is something NN and/or Darrell Hall should be controlling. 

That is, if they cared about anything other than the money.

However, the individuals at NN have responsibity for their actions too.  Witnessing a crime and not reporting it is a crime itself, or so I thought.  Individuals shouldn't be using while at a drug rehab.  And they shouldn't be allowed to do so, by NN/DH.  Individuals who are not using shouldn't be tempted by those who are.  And NN/DH shouldn't be running housing that's not licensed.  This whole thing is majorly !@#!ed up!

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Sigh.  No,  IMO, it wouldn't help Ron's case, if one even exists.  It might help to get NN on the police's radar, as something to keep an eye on.  NN is no more upstanding with this than they are with respect to all the other laws they disregard (lying to state agencies, drug courts, etc.).

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2012, 19:15 »
^^^
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #74 on: December 27, 2012, 12:38 »
I found this article on our local newssite last night.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/state-taking-steps-shut-down-narconon-georgia/nTgCN/

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« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2012, 12:54 »
I found this article on our local newssite last night.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/state-taking-steps-shut-down-narconon-georgia/nTgCN/

Hope this helps

Thank you Companywitness.  Good to see you again. 

We have a thread going over here about the whole DCH/Narconon situation: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12083.0.html

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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #77 on: April 26, 2013, 16:38 »
Looks like the police raided the place here

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/investigators-raid-narconon-georgia/nXYzJ/

Thanks, Companywitness.  Good to see you here again.  We have a thread here where we're talking about the raid: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12201.120.html
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2013, 16:58 »
Yes, nice to see you herar and posting, Companywitness! Join us on the other thread :)
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Re: A NEW NARCONON DEATH NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT
« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2013, 20:59 »
Warning: Not for the faint-hearted.

We have the Ron Corona Jr. autopsy report now:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/Autopsy-RonCoronaJr.pdf

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