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Title: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on January 28, 2013, 20:11
I just saw a WSB TV teaser about a report on Narconon of Georgia, scheduled to air Thursday, at 6 pm. There was a snippet of an interview with someone who indicated insurance fraud may be involved. Stay tuned!!


WSB live stream link: http://www.wsbtv.com/s/news/live/
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Witnessman on January 28, 2013, 20:30
Boom Boom and Out go the Lights.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: who me? on January 28, 2013, 20:33
It just keeps piling on...
ITS ABOUT TIME!  ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on January 28, 2013, 21:12
 V{}\H

Really looking forward to seeing this.  Don't let me forget about watching it!  Keep this thread bumped, please.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: CoolHand on January 28, 2013, 21:15
I had a friend tell me yesterday that it was on, but only the tail end was caught and I couldn't find it on their site yesterday so was waiting for someone else to spot it.  It will be interesting to see what's reported!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 28, 2013, 21:29
Can't wait to see this. ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 28, 2013, 23:54
I had a friend tell me yesterday that it was on, but only the tail end was caught and I couldn't find it on their site yesterday so was waiting for someone else to spot it.  It will be interesting to see what's reported!

Do you know the name of the reporter?  It might be easier to locate it by his or her name.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on January 29, 2013, 00:07
Mary - I believe Jodie Fleischer is the reporter. I couldn't find the very brief teaser posted online. It appeared that a new victim had come forward. A man interviewed (attorney?) mentioned insurance fraud.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on January 29, 2013, 06:08
I saw it about 11:15.  It was slightly longer than what I think Free saw.  It also showed a woman who said something like "You want to do the best for your child." 

Free, was this the man you saw?  Commissioner Ralph T. Hudgens (http://www.gainsurance.org/)

Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on January 29, 2013, 07:16
I saw it about 11:15.  It was slightly longer than what I think Free saw.  It also showed a woman who said something like "You want to do the best for your child." 

Free, was this the man you saw?  Commissioner Ralph T. Hudgens (http://www.gainsurance.org/)
I think so!

 JO:=<
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 29, 2013, 07:33
Mary - I believe Jodie Fleischer is the reporter. I couldn't find the very brief teaser posted online. It appeared that a new victim had come forward. A man interviewed (attorney?) mentioned insurance fraud.

Thanks, mefree. Jodie hasn't done an investigative special in a while so I guess it was a clip from the regular nightly / or whatever time it was news of that day. I looked but couldn't find that, either. I guess I just need to be patient, lol

Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: CoolHand on January 29, 2013, 08:05
I saw the longer clip also. It said it will be on Thursday at 6 pm.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BigBeard on January 29, 2013, 09:43
My dentist is getting tired of having to dig all the popcorn kernals out of my teeth from having to wait on these kinds of stories.  ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 29, 2013, 11:47
My dentist is getting tired of having to dig all the popcorn kernals out of my teeth from having to wait on these kinds of stories.  ;D

 3((:
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 29, 2013, 20:35
Be on the lookout Thursday, starting in the morning:

Pete Combs of WSB Radio will go 0430-0830 Thursday morning.

Jodie Fleischer will go at 6pm (WSB-TV CH/2)

Christian Boone’s will likely post to AJC.com sometime during the day on Thursday.

Will update with links as they appear
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 29, 2013, 20:36
Twitter  5:18 PM - 29 Jan 13

 Pete Combs ‏@Reporterpete

Facing court battle over patient death, license revocation and insurance fraud investigation, Exec. Dir. Mary Reiser out at Narconon of Ga


According to Pete, "Barbara Marschalk, Narconon’s attorney in the Desmond case, confirms Mary Reiser has resigned as executive director of Narconon of Georgia."
Title: The media effort to investigate Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 29, 2013, 22:36
The media effort to investigate Narconon of Georgia and Narconon International is spearheaded by three reporters: Christian Boone of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Jodie Fleischer at WSB-TV and Pete Combs at WSB Radio. They’ve worked together in a unique collaborative venture to dig through mountains of data on Narconon and continue their investigation now, five months after it began.

Thursday, their stories will appear in the AJC (www.ajc.com), on WSB Channel 2 Action News (www.wsbtv.com) and on News-Talk WSB (www.wsbradio.com).
You can search the web for their stories. WSB Radio Reporter Pete Combs’ stories are aggregated here: www.wsbradio.com/s/narconon
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: CoolHand on January 30, 2013, 08:18
Here is an early link to the article filed by Pete Combs http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/special-reports/narconon-georgia-and-allegations-insurance-fraud/nT9nT/

The tv report should be on tomorrow, and I'm guessing the AJC tomorrow as well.

Interesting to note how "out-pr" (in their terms) they are by submitting their own press release today talking about drug education activities from months ago and then included a picture of their drug educator, Ji Johnson, talking with a group of cheerleaders.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BigBeard on January 30, 2013, 09:40
Feds should get in on this if it involves insurance fraud across state lines. Thinking about it a bit further, since NN GA falls under the thumb of NN Int, which would make it an inter-state operation, the Feds should get involved in the investigation anyway IMHO (not a lawyer, just speculating).

Any legal minds want to jump in on this??
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 30, 2013, 09:43
Terrific article! Such good news!! It's been up all over the net already.... but I think there's more to come tomorrow!!

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28782-Largest-Atlanta-TV-station-promotes-their-investigation-into-Narconon&p=771958&viewfull=1#post771958

https://forums.whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-georgia-and-allegations-of-insurance-fraud.108560/
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 30, 2013, 10:31
UPDATE

Narconon is in BIG trouble. Must-read!!
Posted: 4:30 a.m. Thursday, Jan. 31, 2013
by WSB Radio Pete Combs
Narconon of Georgia and allegations of insurance fraud.
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/special-reports/narconon-georgia-and-allegations-insurance-fraud/nT9nT/


update:

Scientology’s Atlanta Drug Rehab Crumbling: Executive Director Mary Rieser Out by Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker

Quote
    We’ve commented in the past how remarkable it is that some of Atlanta’s local news outlets have banded together to keep a close watch on one of Scientology’s more intriguing messes going on there.

    Pete Combs of WSB Radio, Jodie Fleischer of WSB-TV, and Christian Boone of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution have coordinated their coverage as a wrongful death and civil racketeering lawsuit has exposed shocking improprieties at Scientology’s drug rehab center in Atlanta, known as Narconon Georgia.

    With a trial looming, the case has been going terribly for Scientology, and the state has announced its intention to revoke the facility’s license and shut the place down....
Read on for more
http://tonyortega.org/2013/01/30/scientologys-atlanta-drug-rehab-crumbling-executive-director-mary-rieser-out/


lol!!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: who me? on January 30, 2013, 13:21
From the Pete Combs story Dawn Warner, an employee of Robbins Health Care Alliance, emailed a statement that included:
"I simply can not believe that Narcanon (sic) would have the gaul to try something like this again." (emphasis mine).

Again? How many times has NN falsely billed insurance on behalf of Dr Robbins? I hope both Drs are very helpful in the investigations by the insurance companies and the state (and hopefully the fed at some point).
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 30, 2013, 16:23
Quote
Marschalk issued the following statement by email:
 
"Narconon of Georgia has served the Atlanta community for the past decade, both in the field of drug education prevention and drug rehabilitation. Scores of successful Narconon graduates can attest that their participation in the program led to recovery, sobriety and saved lives. Narconon of Georgia is concerned that recent media coverage has been manipulated by persons who are biased against Narconon and who believe they can profit by stirring up negative publicity just before a trial on completely unrelated issues.Narconon of Georgia intends to comply with its legal and ethical obligations to maintain the privacy of the men and women who have turned to it for help in overcoming drug addiction, and, therefore, we are unable to respond to inquiries regarding specific individuals who enrolled in the program. Narconon of Georgia can and does say that the organization follows customary and usual billling practices and procedures and that the payment terms are clearly explained."

 THAT is pure unadulterated bovin scat Ms.Marschalk! As a concerned citizen I take issue with your statement " Recent media coverage has been manipulated by persons who are biased against Narconon and who believe they can profit by stirring up negative publicity just before a trial on completely unrelated issues" . I am embarrassed for you Ms.Marschalk.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 30, 2013, 16:57
Quote
Marschalk issued the following statement by email:
 
"Narconon of Georgia has served the Atlanta community for the past decade, both in the field of drug education prevention and drug rehabilitation. Scores of successful Narconon graduates can attest that their participation in the program led to recovery, sobriety and saved lives. Narconon of Georgia is concerned that recent media coverage has been manipulated by persons who are biased against Narconon and who believe they can profit by stirring up negative publicity just before a trial on completely unrelated issues.Narconon of Georgia intends to comply with its legal and ethical obligations to maintain the privacy of the men and women who have turned to it for help in overcoming drug addiction, and, therefore, we are unable to respond to inquiries regarding specific individuals who enrolled in the program. Narconon of Georgia can and does say that the organization follows customary and usual billling practices and procedures and that the payment terms are clearly explained."

 THAT is pure unadulterated bovin scat Ms.Marschalk! As a concerned citizen I take issue with your statement " Recent media coverage has been manipulated by persons who are biased against Narconon and who believe they can profit by stirring up negative publicity just before a trial on completely unrelated issues" . I am embarrassed for you Ms.Marschalk.
Does she means us? What an idiot!!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on January 30, 2013, 17:45

THAT is pure unadulterated bovin scat Ms.Marschalk! As a concerned citizen I take issue with your statement " Recent media coverage has been manipulated by persons who are biased against Narconon and who believe they can profit by stirring up negative publicity just before a trial on completely unrelated issues" . I am embarrassed for you Ms.Marschalk.

It sounds like something that was written by Karen Pouw. Pull out the bingo cards!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on January 30, 2013, 17:57
From the Pete Combs story Dawn Warner, an employee of Robbins Health Care Alliance, emailed a statement that included:
"I simply can not believe that Narcanon (sic) would have the gaul to try something like this again." (emphasis mine).

Again? How many times has NN falsely billed insurance on behalf of Dr Robbins? I hope both Drs are very helpful in the investigations by the insurance companies and the state (and hopefully the fed at some point).

Hmmm. Me thinks this is not a one time occurrence, based on all things scientological. Pure speculation.

Federal Fraud Abuse Laws (http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/physician-resources/legal-topics/regulatory-compliance-topics/health-care-fraud-abuse/federal-fraud-enforcement-physician-compliance/federal-fraud-abuse-laws.page)

Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on January 30, 2013, 19:36
I thought I posted a comment about the lawyers statement, guess I pressed the wrong button.

Narconon actually thinks that drug companies and psychiatrists are behind these "attacks".  They think they pay people to do this.  Not sure if that was what she was insinuating, but I will state under oath that I in no way, shape or form profit from Narconon shutting its doors.  No one pays me to do anything against Narconon or the Church. 

If the drug companies are, they should stop, cause these guys are shooting themselves in the foot faster than we can post the truth....
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 30, 2013, 19:39
I love the replies here :) 
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 30, 2013, 22:46
Narconon billing. www.wsbradio.com

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/01/30/Binder1.pdf
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on January 31, 2013, 07:44
From the Pete Combs story Dawn Warner, an employee of Robbins Health Care Alliance, emailed a statement that included:
"I simply can not believe that Narcanon (sic) would have the gaul to try something like this again." (emphasis mine).

Again? How many times has NN falsely billed insurance on behalf of Dr Robbins? I hope both Drs are very helpful in the investigations by the insurance companies and the state (and hopefully the fed at some point).

Those were my thoughts, exactly, as I read it, who me?  And I was reminded of that link Snippy posted (which I can't find now) about how people's statements give away the truth, even when they don't mean to.


Narconon billing. www.wsbradio.com

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/01/30/Binder1.pdf

I can't believe this insurance billing was going on while the Desmond case was in progress!  How stupid can they be?   @u@ooo
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on January 31, 2013, 08:05
im seeing a lot of "partial hospitalizations" and "intensive out patient service-chem dep".  Dont you have to be licensed as an in patient to hospitalize? And the out patient services have to conform with accepted chemical dependency treatments.  Im sure that theirs are not accepted.  Looks like more fraud.  Its ridiculous that they would do this in the face of being shut down and prosecutd for wrongful death.  Its like the know and are trying to milk whatever they can before d-day.  Mary is definitley not off the hook even after resigning.  This stuff is criminal.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: snippy on January 31, 2013, 08:40
"I simply can not believe that Narcanon (sic) would have the gaul to try something like this again."

... how people's statements give away the truth, even when they don't mean to.

I had that same thought. Here ya go:
http://www.statementanalysis.com/
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BigBeard on January 31, 2013, 09:44
I'm suspecting this is just the tip of a VERY large 'iceberg' of fraud. And hopefully the insurance companies themselves will start looking into this, and getting Insurance Commisioners in other states involved to avoid being considered part of that fraud.

 
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on January 31, 2013, 10:07
Quote from: Barbara Marschalk
Narconon of Georgia is concerned that recent media coverage has been manipulated by persons who are biased against Narconon and who believe they can profit by stirring up negative publicity just before a trial on completely unrelated issues.

This doesn't even make sense...  How do we manipulate the media?  Does she think the media is not capable of seeing the facts and reaching their own conclusions?  And previously, she complained that we were discussing the Desmond case, and now she's complaining that we're discussing unrelated issues??  I take it that, in your opinion, Ms. Marschalk, we shouldn't discuss Narconon of Georgia or anything related to them, at all?

Narconon actually thinks that drug companies and psychiatrists are behind these "attacks".  They think they pay people to do this.  Not sure if that was what she was insinuating, but I will state under oath that I in no way, shape or form profit from Narconon shutting its doors.  No one pays me to do anything against Narconon or the Church. 

If the drug companies are, they should stop, cause these guys are shooting themselves in the foot faster than we can post the truth....

I'm certainly not making any profit for what I do - in fact, I am spending profit I make elsewhere to do what I do, on web hosting fees, document costs from the courthouse and elsewhere, spending time I could be making a profit elsewhere or doing something else I'd like to do...

That tired old "church" line has been overplayed for years, Ms. Marschalk.  People just laugh at it now.  Maybe you would have fared better if you used your own lawyering skills, instead of Moxon's and Kobrin's. 

And yeah, Big Pharma, where's mah check? 
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 31, 2013, 10:15
Quote from: Barbara Marschalk
Narconon of Georgia is concerned that recent media coverage has been manipulated by persons who are biased against Narconon and who believe they can profit by stirring up negative publicity just before a trial on completely unrelated issues.

This doesn't even make sense...  How do we manipulate the media?  Does she think the media is not capable of seeing the facts and reaching their own conclusions?  And previously, she complained that we were discussing the Desmond case, and now she's complaining that we're discussing unrelated issues??  I take it that, in your opinion, Ms. Marschalk, we shouldn't discuss Narconon of Georgia or anything related to them, at all?

Narconon actually thinks that drug companies and psychiatrists are behind these "attacks".  They think they pay people to do this.  Not sure if that was what she was insinuating, but I will state under oath that I in no way, shape or form profit from Narconon shutting its doors.  No one pays me to do anything against Narconon or the Church. 

If the drug companies are, they should stop, cause these guys are shooting themselves in the foot faster than we can post the truth....

I'm certainly not making any profit for what I do - in fact, I am spending profit I make elsewhere to do what I do, on web hosting fees, document costs from the courthouse and elsewhere, spending time I could be making a profit elsewhere or doing something else I'd like to do...

That tired old "church" line has been overplayed for years, Ms. Marschalk.  People just laugh at it now.  Maybe you would have fared better if you used your own lawyering skills, instead of Moxon's and Kobrin's. 

And yeah, Big Pharma, where's mah check?

Hear, hear!!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on January 31, 2013, 10:25
I will now be quoting the terms "church" (notice no caps) and "lawyers" when referring to the "church" of scientology and their "lawyers". 

And thank you to Mary and Ethercat for doing all you do.  We'll have a party once GA is shut down.  My treat with my hard earned psych/drug company money.

 ^o: :::-O-::: :^:^:^:E
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 31, 2013, 10:28
I will now be quoting the terms "church" (notice no caps) and "lawyers" when referring to the "church" of scientology and their "lawyers". 

And thank you to Mary and Ethercat for doing all you do.  We'll have a party once GA is shut down.  My treat with my hard earned psych/drug company money.

 ^o: :::-O-::: :^:^:^:E

LOL!!  Y--O-||
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: who me? on January 31, 2013, 11:42
NN, the related entities and those in charge are responsible for all the fraudulent and criminal activities they have been, and continue to engage in. They should be held responsible for their crimes.

We can either sit by and ignore it, so NN can keep hurting others; or we can expose   the activities, encourage others to report these activities, and push the authorities to hold NN responsible for their crimes.

I think Ms. Marschalk is trying to shoot the messenger.

OR...When your attacks on the argument are full of fail; attack the person making the argument.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 31, 2013, 11:51
From the Pete Combs story Dawn Warner, an employee of Robbins Health Care Alliance, emailed a statement that included:
"I simply can not believe that Narcanon (sic) would have the gaul to try something like this again." (emphasis mine).

Again? How many times has NN falsely billed insurance on behalf of Dr Robbins? I hope both Drs are very helpful in the investigations by the insurance companies and the state (and hopefully the fed at some point).

Those were my thoughts, exactly, as I read it, who me?  And I was reminded of that link Snippy posted (which I can't find now) about how people's statements give away the truth, even when they don't mean to.


Narconon billing. www.wsbradio.com

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/01/30/Binder1.pdf

I can't believe this insurance billing was going on while the Desmond case was in progress!  How stupid can they be?   @u@ooo

 Well,after combing though those insurance claim documents it appears something odd was going on for sometime. The claims started in early March 2012 and continued up until and into November 2012.

 Then we have the state insurance commissioner stating he hopes to investigate Narconon before the "shredder" gets used. This reminds me of something I saw happening back in April of 2012. The photo attached is a "Got Junk" dumpster parked in front of the Narconon facility and being loaded with??  I make no claims as to "What" or if Narconon was doing something nefarious or maybe possible renovations for all I know as I do not know what was being put into that dumpster at that time,yet it does raise questions in my mind after seeing what the plaintiffs attorneys have gone through in gaining certain documents during the course of this case.

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/IMG_0858-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: who me? on January 31, 2013, 11:51
im seeing a lot of "partial hospitalizations" and "intensive out patient service-chem dep".  Dont you have to be licensed as an in patient to hospitalize? And the out patient services have to conform with accepted chemical dependency treatments.  Im sure that theirs are not accepted.  Looks like more fraud.  Its ridiculous that they would do this in the face of being shut down and prosecutd for wrongful death.  Its like the know and are trying to milk whatever they can before d-day.  Mary is definitley not off the hook even after resigning.  This stuff is criminal.

I had the same thought so I looked up the UBH codes and descriptions. These are both codes for outpatient treatment. The partial hospitalization is basically day treatment and then go home. That being said, I wonder whether NN meets any of the qualifications for the kind of provider that UBH thinks they are reimbursing.

United Behavioral Health is a mental health insurance that many medical plans farm out the mental health care part to. For instance, your company plan may have a PPO for most of the medical with UBH for the mental health care portion, with separate vision and dental plans. Specialization seems to be the trend.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on January 31, 2013, 11:59
http://www.unitedbehavioralhealth.com/products/index.jsp?nav=0,1

I think this answers the question if UBH knows or not.  First section.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on January 31, 2013, 12:52
I went through and made a synopsis of the charges:

NARCONON OF GA (Locarnini)
03/06 - 03/12 PARTIAL HOSPITALIZATION - LESS IN 1 925.00
03/27 - 03/31 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
04/01 - 04/16 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00

346611 RFC REDMOND FAM CARE ROME 2112 SHORTER AVE STE 200 ROME, GA 30165-2042
04/12 EDWARD MEIER 232.00

LABCORP BIRMINGHAM
04/12 REFERRING PHYS (RX ORDERING PHY) EDWARD MEIER 246.00

NARCONON OF GA (Locarnini)
04/18 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
04/20 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
04/23 - 04/30 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
05/01 - 05/31 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00

NARCONON OF GA (Robbins)
06/01 - 06/04 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00

NARCONON OF GA (Locarnini)
06/05 - 06/30 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
07/01 - 07/31 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
08/01 - 08/27 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
09/01 - 09/30 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
10/01 - 10/08 INTENSIVE OP SERVICES - CHEM DEP 1 675.00
10/12 - 10/31 PARTIAL HOSPITALIZATION - LESS IN 1 925.00
11/01 - 11/05 PARTIAL HOSPITALIZATION - LESS IN 1 925.00


I find it interesting that on April 12, when she was supposedly in Intensive Out Patient Services at Narconon of Georgia in Norcross, she was also seeing a doctor in Rome, Georgia.

Driving directions from Norcross, GA to Rome, GA (http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Norcross,+GA&daddr=Rome,+GA&hl=en&sll=33.941213,-84.213531&sspn=0.092568,0.17252&geocode=Fd3mBQId5QD7-impMqVtOKH1iDFWMnbGZ9x8lA%3BFY64CgIdf33s-in7QJ5iwKSKiDErHfO8-cVQKA&oq=Rome&mra=ls&t=m&z=10)
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on January 31, 2013, 13:38
Its mary using her ot powers again.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BigBeard on January 31, 2013, 16:47
I suspect these folks: http://www.nhcaa.org/contact-us.aspx would be very interested in what's going on with NN. Especially considering some of the complaints on 'Rip-Off Report' involving lies by various NN's about accepting medical insurance from companies that specifically exclude NN.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on January 31, 2013, 18:45
I had the same thought so I looked up the UBH codes and descriptions. These are both codes for outpatient treatment. The partial hospitalization is basically day treatment and then go home. That being said, I wonder whether NN meets any of the qualifications for the kind of provider that UBH thinks they are reimbursing.

I think you are right on. Both codes are used in an outpatient setting. The thing to look for here is dates of service that don't add up. Also, I totally agree that Narconon is not qualified to provide drug treatment. In that sense, it's all fraudulent.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: snippy on January 31, 2013, 18:56
Just saw the WSB-TV segment. Short - but they did not mess around. Boy is Narconon in deep doo doo now. Idiots.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on January 31, 2013, 19:10
Yup, it was great.  The insurance commissioner said that if they've done it once, they've probably done it more than that.  He has opened a criminal investigation into Narconon of Georgia. 

They cannot charge an organization with insurance fraud, however.  A person must be charged, and that person can get a 2-10 year sentence, and a $10,000 fine. 

Time to come clean, Mary R.  Maybe they'll go easy on you.  And turn over the dirt on Narconon International to Jeff, while you're at it.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 31, 2013, 19:13
 WSBTV did a very good job IMHO. To look through all that paperwork and find this information must have been a real task in of itself! Ms. Morton the mother of the young women whom attended N of G did both a wonderful job and to a greater degree a fantastic public service in her straight to the point comments and concerns in regard to this matter. I wish here and her daughter the best.

 My one question here would be, WHO was as the scientologist say "HATTED" within  N of G,s billing department that billed for these alleged non delivered services?

 Hopefully the investigation will reveal that and more!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on January 31, 2013, 19:15
I sure hope someone gets charged.  That will make the rest of them at least think twice before robotically following orders from NN Int or the "church".
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: who me? on January 31, 2013, 19:57
Did NN submit these charges to the insurance or did they use a billing service? I see at the top "exp hospital billing" and thought I remembered Luke or someone talking about a billing service being set up to bill insurance. I may be totally in left field but thought I would see if anyone else had a thought on this.

Found what I was thinking about (now I will not wake up at 2 in the morning with this bugging me). Luke wrote: In Jette McGregor's depostion by Jeff Harris, she stated that her husband Kent is "working on insurance lines" with Arrowhead, but is not an employee there.  I bet that Kent is one of the LADCs that Gary was including, and they are probably paying Kent via PITA Group as a consultant/contract employee to be able to bill more insurance.
I just wonder if they set up a billing group as a front group for the NN front group or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on January 31, 2013, 21:14
 For your viewing pleasure. :D

http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/criminal-case-opened-against-narconon-rehab/vpfsh/
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on January 31, 2013, 21:46
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Title: WSB-TV : Criminal case opened against Narconon rehab
Post by: Mary_McConnell on January 31, 2013, 22:50
Criminal case opened against Narconon of GA !

Free To Shine beat me to it posting this on ESMB! 
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There is a video here: http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/criminal-case-opened-against-narconon-rehab/vpfsh/

Narconon Georgia is being looked into for fraud, billing insurance companies for services already paid for or falsely billed.

This is big!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: cnhender on January 31, 2013, 23:43
I believe WSB did an outstanding job. However, they couldn't be doing what their doing without the tipping point...everyone here ROCKS!

WSB YouTube video link
http://youtu.be/tpMm0r8dXcs
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: CoolHand on February 01, 2013, 07:05
Here is Christian Boone's account in the AJC this morning.  http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/state-investigating-possible-insurance-fraud-by-na/nWCjL/

I think it gives some more detail to the overall story.  WSB also posted attorney Barbara Marschalk's response regarding the investigation.  I didn't realize that billing for services that didn't happen, for services that they aren't licensed to deliver, and for visits with doctors who weren't there is considered usual and customary to them. 

Barbara Marschalk defending Narconon is starting to sound like Shawn Holley defending Lindsay Lohan.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: CoolHand on February 01, 2013, 07:16
Did NN submit these charges to the insurance or did they use a billing service? I see at the top "exp hospital billing" and thought I remembered Luke or someone talking about a billing service being set up to bill insurance. I may be totally in left field but thought I would see if anyone else had a thought on this.

Found what I was thinking about (now I will not wake up at 2 in the morning with this bugging me). Luke wrote: In Jette McGregor's depostion by Jeff Harris, she stated that her husband Kent is "working on insurance lines" with Arrowhead, but is not an employee there.  I bet that Kent is one of the LADCs that Gary was including, and they are probably paying Kent via PITA Group as a consultant/contract employee to be able to bill more insurance.
I just wonder if they set up a billing group as a front group for the NN front group or something along those lines.

I'm not sure how Narconon of Georgia set up their insurance billing, to be honest.  I suspect that it could have something to do with the fact that Mary hired at least four former staff members of Per Wickstrom's from Michigan, whether they worked for him back when he was with Narconon or since then with his two current rehabs and detox clinic.  He uses the practice of billing an insurance policy for as much as he can get.  He brings people into A Forever Recovery and Best Drug Rehabilitation for no money down and sees what he can get.  Sometimes he might only get 10K, while other times he might get 50K for the same program just a different policy or carrier.  It sounds like whoever billed this woman's policy was trying to do the same thing, but didn't pay attention to the billing codes and dates of service. 

One thing to remember is that Narconon of Georgia isn't even allowed to enter a defense on the negligence action due to the sanctions imposed by Judge Hydrick, and they are also being sued by their insurance carrier (Western World) to not cover them in this case, so Narconon has been desperately trying to come up with the millions of dollars they'll need to pay out in damages awarded to the Plaintiffs.  That is also why they continually try and recruit people as we speak.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BigBeard on February 01, 2013, 07:37
Here's hoping the Insurance Commissioner finds enough to start looking at other NN clients insurance billing, and hopefully get the Feds involved in looking at NN practices across the USofA.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on February 01, 2013, 07:59
Did you see how happy that Insurance Commissioner guy was?  He was handed a slam dunk case.  When its totally exposed it will be a field day on narconon's ability to collect insurance $$.  I suspect that the companies will do a preemptive strike and start dropping them or investigating on their own.  Makes financial sense for them to do it.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 01, 2013, 09:24
Here is Christian Boone's account in the AJC this morning.  http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/state-investigating-possible-insurance-fraud-by-na/nWCjL/

I think it gives some more detail to the overall story.  WSB also posted attorney Barbara Marschalk's response regarding the investigation.  I didn't realize that billing for services that didn't happen, for services that they aren't licensed to deliver, and for visits with doctors who weren't there is considered usual and customary to them. 

Barbara Marschalk defending Narconon is starting to sound like Shawn Holley defending Lindsay Lohan.

Thanks, Luke. Very interesting article. Marschalk is looking worse and worse as more news comes out about this.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on February 01, 2013, 09:35
It's related now :)  Seems like an investigation into Med Pro is in order as well.  If they were billing for Per, GA and say Arrowhead the amounts scammed could be in the millions.  The President of Med Pro is on drugs herself so who knows what kinds of corners she's been cutting.  That Feb case seems to be the least of her worries now....

Good thing is they cant shred the evidence as they dont have access to the insurance company records.   

"Narconon of Georgia, responding through its attorney, Barbara Marschalk, said it follows “customary and usual billing practices and procedures and that [its] payment terms are clearly explained."

Thank you Barbara for implicating other narconons.  You are a credit to the narCONon legal defense team.  Seems the drug companies and psychiatrists are paying you to take down narCONon.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 01, 2013, 09:41
Here's hoping the Insurance Commissioner finds enough to start looking at other NN clients insurance billing, and hopefully get the Feds involved in looking at NN practices across the USofA.

Yes, lets hope this happens!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 01, 2013, 10:25
It's related now :)  Seems like an investigation into Med Pro is in order as well.  If they were billing for Per, GA and say Arrowhead the amounts scammed could be in the millions.  The President of Med Pro is on drugs herself so who knows what kinds of corners she's been cutting.  That Feb case seems to be the least of her worries now....

Good thing is they cant shred the evidence as they dont have access to the insurance company records.   

"Narconon of Georgia, responding through its attorney, Barbara Marschalk, said it follows “customary and usual billing practices and procedures and that [its] payment terms are clearly explained."

Thank you Barbara for implicating other narconons.  You are a credit to the narCONon legal defense team.  Seems the drug companies and psychiatrists are paying you to take down narCONon.

Yes! BTW, it's spelled MedPro Billing.

Anelia Shaheed is the the bookkeeper/comptroller of MedPro Billing.

Her LinkedIn. Note: she's supposedly a lawyer. Here's where she got her JD
http://nsulaw.nova.edu/

But she's not registered with the FL Bar, at least not under that name.

She graduated from University Private School in Davie, FL in 2003.  She did undergrad studies for an LLB in Law at U of London. At least this is what her LinkedIn says.

What is she doing being a bookkeeper/comptroller? maybe she never passed the bar exam?

Anyway, Here is her linkedin:

Anelia Shaheed

Bookkeeper at Med Pro Billing

    Miami/Fort Lauderdale Area
    Medical Practice


Comptroller
MedPro
Anelia Shaheed's Overview

Current

        Comptroller at MedPro

Education

        Nova Southeastern University
        University of London

Connections

    100 connections

January 2008 – Present (5 years 1 month)
Nova Southeastern University
JD, Law

2009 – 2012

Activities and Societies: Moot Court Member
University of London
LLB, Law

2004 – 2007
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/anelia-shaheed/16/ab/614

No obvious connections to narconon, BTW.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on February 01, 2013, 10:52
"Yes! BTW, it's spelled MedPro Billing."

I never had any dealings with these guys so thanks for the correction. ;D


Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on February 01, 2013, 11:01
http://www.revenuerecoverysolutions.com/learn-more/about-our-president/

Not sure if there is a connection here, but this company is 15 minutes away from MedPro and the President's bio indicates she's worked elsewhere in the field and is on the board in other companies.  Her company handles St. Gregory, which is another non-traditional rehab. 
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 01, 2013, 12:27


Barbara Marschalk defending Narconon is starting to sound like Shawn Holley defending Lindsay Lohan.

  :-D^\^\ Oh Wait...... Why on earth do I even know anything in regard to Lindsay Lohan. (:E)
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 01, 2013, 17:07
Here is Christian Boone's account in the AJC this morning.  http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/state-investigating-possible-insurance-fraud-by-na/nWCjL/

I think it gives some more detail to the overall story.  WSB also posted attorney Barbara Marschalk's response regarding the investigation.  I didn't realize that billing for services that didn't happen, for services that they aren't licensed to deliver, and for visits with doctors who weren't there is considered usual and customary to them. 

Barbara Marschalk defending Narconon is starting to sound like Shawn Holley defending Lindsay Lohan.

 CL, I have a couple of questions not related to the topic of this thread,but I see no need in starting another based around my questions... Sooooo, here I go.

 From your personal experience as the past pres of Narconon Arrowhead, what was the board of directors set up for and did said board of directors have any influence as to the oversight and structure of Arrowhead? Where they aware of weekly or monthly goings on at Arrowhead? Reasoning behind my line of questions I guess would be coming to an understanding on what if any involvement the board of directors @ Narconon of Georgia had in relation to its weekly or monthly operations. Would said board be aware of say the billing of clientele?

 I,m a little confused so please bear with me. The now ex executive of narconon of georgia attended the local scientology church. It is to my understand the whole Narconon of Georgia board of directors also attend the local scientology church.

 Would not all of this people be on the same page as to what goes on or went on at Narconon of Georgia while under their collective watch?
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Witnessman on February 01, 2013, 19:37
Here is Christian Boone's account in the AJC this morning.  http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/state-investigating-possible-insurance-fraud-by-na/nWCjL/

I think it gives some more detail to the overall story.  WSB also posted attorney Barbara Marschalk's response regarding the investigation.  I didn't realize that billing for services that didn't happen, for services that they aren't licensed to deliver, and for visits with doctors who weren't there is considered usual and customary to them.

Barbara Marschalk defending Narconon is starting to sound like Shawn Holley defending Lindsay Lohan.

 CL, I have a couple of questions not related to the topic of this thread,but I see no need in starting another based around my questions... Sooooo, here I go.

 From your personal experience as the past pres of Narconon Arrowhead, what was the board of directors set up for and did said board of directors have any influence as to the oversight and structure of Arrowhead? Where they aware of weekly or monthly goings on at Arrowhead? Reasoning behind my line of questions I guess would be coming to an understanding on what if any involvement the board of directors @ Narconon of Georgia had in relation to its weekly or monthly operations. Would said board be aware of say the billing of clientele?

 I,m a little confused so please bear with me. The now ex executive of narconon of georgia attended the local scientology church. It is to my understand the whole Narconon of Georgia board of directors also attend the local scientology church.

 Would not all of this people be on the same page as to what goes on or went on at Narconon of Georgia while under their collective watch?


ST:  These are some excellent questions and I do mean excellent.  I hear in the law there is this little area called Officers and Directors Liability.  Just sayin' ...
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: CoolHand on February 01, 2013, 19:38
CL, I have a couple of questions not related to the topic of this thread,but I see no need in starting another based around my questions... Sooooo, here I go.

 From your personal experience as the past pres of Narconon Arrowhead, what was the board of directors set up for and did said board of directors have any influence as to the oversight and structure of Arrowhead? Where they aware of weekly or monthly goings on at Arrowhead? Reasoning behind my line of questions I guess would be coming to an understanding on what if any involvement the board of directors @ Narconon of Georgia had in relation to its weekly or monthly operations. Would said board be aware of say the billing of clientele?

 I,m a little confused so please bear with me. The now ex executive of narconon of georgia attended the local scientology church. It is to my understand the whole Narconon of Georgia board of directors also attend the local scientology church.

 Would not all of this people be on the same page as to what goes on or went on at Narconon of Georgia while under their collective watch?

The board of directors was different for Arrowhead than it was for Georgia in terms of role and capacity.  Arrowhead also had corporate officers, which would be more culpable, IMO if NN GA has that.  I am unsure how much the NN GA board was aware of the problems before Patrick's death, though I do know that they were clearly notified afterward. 

Sorry I don't have more of an answer for that one.  I know there was quite a bit of involvement from NN East US and NN Int regarding getting rid of Delgado housing and replacing it with another one (not that the newer incarnations were that much better), but as you can see from Mary's Things That Shouldn't Be report, the church stepped in and protected Maria Delgado because she was on staff their and left Mary and NN GA vulnerable.  However, Mary admits in there it was still her responsibility as the Executive Director.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 02, 2013, 07:39
CL, I have a couple of questions not related to the topic of this thread,but I see no need in starting another based around my questions... Sooooo, here I go.

 From your personal experience as the past pres of Narconon Arrowhead, what was the board of directors set up for and did said board of directors have any influence as to the oversight and structure of Arrowhead? Where they aware of weekly or monthly goings on at Arrowhead? Reasoning behind my line of questions I guess would be coming to an understanding on what if any involvement the board of directors @ Narconon of Georgia had in relation to its weekly or monthly operations. Would said board be aware of say the billing of clientele?

 I,m a little confused so please bear with me. The now ex executive of narconon of georgia attended the local scientology church. It is to my understand the whole Narconon of Georgia board of directors also attend the local scientology church.

 Would not all of this people be on the same page as to what goes on or went on at Narconon of Georgia while under their collective watch?

The board of directors was different for Arrowhead than it was for Georgia in terms of role and capacity.  Arrowhead also had corporate officers, which would be more culpable, IMO if NN GA has that.  I am unsure how much the NN GA board was aware of the problems before Patrick's death, though I do know that they were clearly notified afterward. 

Sorry I don't have more of an answer for that one.  I know there was quite a bit of involvement from NN East US and NN Int regarding getting rid of Delgado housing and replacing it with another one (not that the newer incarnations were that much better), but as you can see from Mary's Things That Shouldn't Be report, the church stepped in and protected Maria Delgado because she was on staff their and left Mary and NN GA vulnerable.  However, Mary admits in there it was still her responsibility as the Executive Director.

 I think I understand. ;)
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: failboat on February 02, 2013, 22:46
Harpoons needed:

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-georgia-and-allegations-of-insurance-fraud.108560/page-4#post-2269385

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-georgia-and-allegations-of-insurance-fraud.108560/page-4#post-2269390
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on February 02, 2013, 23:51
Thank you failboat, and welcome to the Tipping Point.  In the thread you linked, I found this post by D. Hall:
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-georgia-and-allegations-of-insurance-fraud.108560/#post-2267931
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Sad..sad story here, more than you all may even realize for this family.

D. Hall, Wednesday at 5:43 PM

I wonder if that would be Darrell? or Dan? Hall of Narconon of Georgia's illegal housing, Discovery Course: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11991.0.html
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on February 03, 2013, 00:23
Thank you failboat, and welcome to the Tipping Point.  In the thread you linked, I found this post by D. Hall:
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-georgia-and-allegations-of-insurance-fraud.108560/#post-2267931
Quote
Sad..sad story here, more than you all may even realize for this family.

D. Hall, Wednesday at 5:43 PM

I wonder if that would be Darrell? or Dan? Hall of Narconon of Georgia's illegal housing, Discovery Course: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11991.0.html

Now, that is something interesting!

Welcome to RFTTP, failboat.

Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on February 03, 2013, 01:17
Something else I read in the thread over there is that we'd know Narconon is circling the drain when the TV advertisements for class action lawsuits begin - and then I found this, not exactly TV, but...:

http://www.hamlegal.com/services/lawsuits-against-narconon/
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Hamilton Law is now pursuing claims against drug rehabilitation facility Narconon.

If you’re reading this page, there’s a good chance you already know what Narconon is — and more importantly, what it is not.  In any case, here’s a brief overview of this duplicitous organization.  Narconon purports to be an in-patient drug rehabilitation facility offering high-quality drug intervention programs with extensive counseling services.  Patients often get referred to Narconon from supposedly independent “help lines” on the Internet.  Narconon tells patients, or just as often, patients’ family members, that they offer state-of-the-art drug treatments and scientifically proven methods of counseling.  Some prospective clients are told that Narconon has a 70-80 % drug treatment success rate.  Narconon also promises that these treatments will be administered in a safe, clean environment.

But when patients enter the treatment program...


I know, I know, this is off topic for this thread! LOL!  And so is this: http://www.hamlegal.com/about-us/whats-with-the-ham/ (http://www.hamlegal.com/about-us/whats-with-the-ham/)   :-D^\^\ 
Aw, pooh, it must be late at night again...

Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on February 03, 2013, 09:20
That guy is awesome.  Bring your finances....Back from the Dead!!!!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: failboat on February 03, 2013, 11:19
Thank you failboat, and welcome to the Tipping Point.  In the thread you linked, I found this post by D. Hall:
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-georgia-and-allegations-of-insurance-fraud.108560/#post-2267931
Quote
Sad..sad story here, more than you all may even realize for this family.

D. Hall, Wednesday at 5:43 PM

I wonder if that would be Darrell? or Dan? Hall of Narconon of Georgia's illegal housing, Discovery Course: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11991.0.html

As you probably know, I registered here some time ago, but I haven't posted anything because I inhabit WWP most of the time, and I am more scattered in my activities against $cn

However, I started a thread over on WWP having to do with a pretty important Narconon topic, and I did a lot of work on it, so I thought it was time to make use of my account over here to ask for help from this community.  I do hope there are plans for the focus of this forum to shift to other high-value targets should we have success in getting most or all of the Narconons shut down.

I have no idea if that is the D. Hall you suspect that it might be.  I haven't been following Narconon of Georgia closely until late December.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 03, 2013, 12:07
Thank you failboat, and welcome to the Tipping Point.  In the thread you linked, I found this post by D. Hall:
https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-georgia-and-allegations-of-insurance-fraud.108560/#post-2267931
Quote
Sad..sad story here, more than you all may even realize for this family.

D. Hall, Wednesday at 5:43 PM

I wonder if that would be Darrell? or Dan? Hall of Narconon of Georgia's illegal housing, Discovery Course: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11991.0.html

As you probably know, I registered here some time ago, but I haven't posted anything because I inhabit WWP most of the time, and I am more scattered in my activities against $cn

However, I started a thread over on WWP having to do with a pretty important Narconon topic, and I did a lot of work on it, so I thought it was time to make use of my account over here to ask for help from this community.  I do hope there are plans for the focus of this forum to shift to other high-value targets should we have success in getting most or all of the Narconons shut down.

I have no idea if that is the D. Hall you suspect that it might be.  I haven't been following Narconon of Georgia closely until late December.

Hi and welcome!

Nice project there. Thanks for helping.

Not sure where you got your information on what we do and don't here but if look around this forum some, you will see that most of the USA Narconon efforts are researched, assisted and/or addressed through here. We just don't brag about it much.

I suggest you come join us here, too.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: failboat on February 03, 2013, 13:18


Hi and welcome!

Nice project there. Thanks for helping.

Not sure where you got your information on what we do and don't here but if look around this forum some, you will see that most of the USA Narconon efforts are researched, assisted and/or addressed through here. We just don't brag about it much.

I suggest you come join us here, too.

David Love and others have mentioned the work over here, and, like I mentioned, I registered my name here some time ago to sit on it, but I wasn't actually paying attention to what was going on here.  Recent activities (past 6-12 months or more) on WWP have focused more of a spotlight on Narconon, and therefore, RFTTP.

I said what I said because I think Narconon USA's days are numbered, thanks in no small part to what RFTTP and others are doing.  Literally, I think they have 2-4 years, tops.

If most or all of the Narconons in the US get shut down, I was trying to say that I hope that RFTTP goes on to work on other abusive groups, possibly belonging to a certain cult, after having declared victory over Narconon USA - instead of just disbanding or dwindling away.

I may not post again here for a long time, or I just might.  It kind of depends on whether I continue working on Narconon USA, or whether some other cult business distracts me.  I try to work hard on my projects, as you noticed.  Till next time.  Tally ho.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on February 03, 2013, 20:47
Hi and welcome!

Nice project there. Thanks for helping.

Not sure where you got your information on what we do and don't here but if look around this forum some, you will see that most of the USA Narconon efforts are researched, assisted and/or addressed through here. We just don't brag about it much.

I suggest you come join us here, too.

David Love and others have mentioned the work over here, and, like I mentioned, I registered my name here some time ago to sit on it, but I wasn't actually paying attention to what was going on here.  Recent activities (past 6-12 months or more) on WWP have focused more of a spotlight on Narconon, and therefore, RFTTP.

I said what I said because I think Narconon USA's days are numbered, thanks in no small part to what RFTTP and others are doing.  Literally, I think they have 2-4 years, tops.

If most or all of the Narconons in the US get shut down, I was trying to say that I hope that RFTTP goes on to work on other abusive groups, possibly belonging to a certain cult, after having declared victory over Narconon USA - instead of just disbanding or dwindling away.

I may not post again here for a long time, or I just might.  It kind of depends on whether I continue working on Narconon USA, or whether some other cult business distracts me.  I try to work hard on my projects, as you noticed.  Till next time.  Tally ho.

Failboat, I had noticed you had registered a while back, and I'm happy to see you post now.  You're welcome to post links to things you think are important for us to know about, and we'll help if we can.  And I commend your efforts. 

Some of the insurance companies are already aware of Narconon's deceit and are watching for claims to come in from the Narconons.  Another thing I noticed that may be a misconception in the thread on WWP is that just because a Narconon site claims they are approved by, or on the preferred provider's list for, an insurance company, does not mean that they are.  Narconon lies, just like scientology lies.

I hope you're right about NN having 2-4 years tops, but as you're probably aware, they're morphing, using different names without "Narconon" in them, which makes it much more difficult to track them, and I expect this will become more prevalent as the official Narconons get shut down.

To elaborate just a bit on what Mary was getting at (at least to my understanding, not trying to put words in her mouth, and not that she'd let me do that anyway, LOL!), a lot of the work here gets done behind the scenes with little discussion until there is an outcome to report.  We (I) generally come up with something on our (my) own that needs doing, and do it ourselves (myself), with little or no help except for information provided by others.  (Personally, I never had much luck with getting anyone on my specific bandwagons.)  Tipping Point is a relatively small forum, with a few active members, some very active, and occasional members who don't post much but give us tips through PMs and rah-rahs when we feel down and need them.  There are some people here who also post on WWP and other forums.  WWP is much larger; as to whether it's more active or just talks a lot more, I don't know.

The goal for me at the moment for me is to see Narconon of Georgia shut down, then move on to the rest.  I am literally doing about all I can at the moment (and I think this goes for most of the people who are in the very active category, too), but I do hope you find some help with your project, whether it's here or somewhere else.  We're (and, on this, I think I can speak for everyone else who posts here) grateful for any others, wherever they are, who take on some of the work and do it.  We're even more grateful for those who help out here on TP, since we want to be a central clearing house for NN info.

As to Tipping Point's future, let me give you some personal background before I answer.  I've been keeping up with scientology-related things since 1994 when I got on the net.  I had a friend join in 1990, when there wasn't as much information available, so depending on when you start counting, this is going on ~20 years that I've had some critical involvement against scientology - even though I was never a member myself.  That's a long time to put into fighting someone else's evil, I say "someone else's" because I was never responsible for helping scientology in any way.  I have some other things I'd like to do before my life is over, too.

In 2009, with large numbers of members having left the "church" due to efforts of anonymous and all other efforts prior to 2008, I decided that the cult must be getting their money from the front groups, particularly Narconon, and I started this forum.  Since then, I've come to sympathize more with the victims of Narconon than even scientologists, partially because, like me, they never intended to get entangled with anything scientology.  Tipping Point seems to stay pretty much on the Narconon target at the moment, too, although we do sometimes post about the other front groups. 

Because of the people we intended to, and now do, interact with on a frequent basis, we think it's important to maintain a decorum here that's appropriate to inviting government authorities, lawyers, journalists, and ordinary members of the public who've been scammed by Narconon to come to the forum.  Because of that, and because I am so busy, I don't get around to WWP very often, though I've been a member there since it was enturbulation.org on phpBB software (the beginning).  But I encourage anyone who has the time to get involved in whatever efforts wherever they are that they deem interesting and appropriate for themselves, and I wish them success in their efforts.

Now, if and after the Narconons fall, will TP still be here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyViVmaBQDg)?  Will it choose another effort?  I guess that's up to the members.  Communities have a way of deciding their own future.  I do hope you'll come now, though, and be a regular poster here, because we really need active people.  And we really like active people too.  And, we'll never hurt you.   ;)



Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 04, 2013, 00:01
Thanks, ethercat. You said it better than I could :)

failboat, I love what you are doing over there and it's very much appreciated.
I suspect after Narconon, my next project will be to retire ;)  lol! However, I don't anticipate that happening too soon.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on February 04, 2013, 07:27
I actually feel bad for Marschalk. I doubt she had any idea what she was getting into with her clients.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 05, 2013, 11:32
I actually feel bad for Marschalk. I doubt she had any idea what she was getting into with her clients.

 I tend to agree with you. From my observations Ms. Marschalk is a top notch professional in her field. Yet sometimes you are dealt a hand that cannot be played so to speak. The client must have frustrated Ms. Marschalk to no end. Defending the indefensible must be both morally and ethically challenging.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 07:04
I don't think any of the defense attorneys involved had any idea with what they were getting into.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 13:10
Hi Barbara, we feel for you. And Mr. Bennett.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on February 06, 2013, 16:32
Hi Barbara, we feel for you. And Mr. Bennett.

She very well may be a top notch profesional, but lets not make the mistake of making what she is doing as something she had no control over.  When she defended the insurance fraud "allegations" as standard business practices she lost most of her credibility as a professional in my mind.

Attorneys who represent narconon and the "church" (notice the quotes)  :) are a slimy bunch in my experience.  They are akin to ambulance chasers.  They know there are going to be a shit load of cases against them because they are frauds and they know they have the cash to pay yet they still take the cases.

There is a silver lining though, unlike the "church" (notice the quotes)  :) this community does forgive.  She just needs to take ownership of her mistakes and make the effort to change.  I wish her the best despite what side she is currently on. 
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on February 06, 2013, 17:45
Hi Barbara, we feel for you. And Mr. Bennett.

You so bad! >:D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on February 06, 2013, 20:23
Hi Barbara, we feel for you. And Mr. Bennett.

She very well may be a top notch profesional, but lets not make the mistake of making what she is doing as something she had no control over.  When she defended the insurance fraud "allegations" as standard business practices she lost most of her credibility as a professional in my mind.

Attorneys who represent narconon and the "church" (notice the quotes)  :) are a slimy bunch in my experience.  They are akin to ambulance chasers.  They know there are going to be a shit load of cases against them because they are frauds and they know they have the cash to pay yet they still take the cases.

There is a silver lining though, unlike the "church" (notice the quotes)  :) this community does forgive.  She just needs to take ownership of her mistakes and make the effort to change.  I wish her the best despite what side she is currently on.

Lawyers have to ask the judge for permission to withdraw from a case. 
See Rule 4.3. Withdrawal, page 17 in the Uniform Superior Court Rules:
http://www.georgiacourts.gov/files/UNIFORM%20SUPERIOR%20COURT%20RULES_Updated_01_22_13_.pdf

Barbara Marschalk works for Drew, Eckl, and Farnham.  I would imagine she has to do what her employer expects her to do or face possible repercussions from that.  I guess she could just up and quit (I probably would), but that could be professional suicide for her.

Here she is, by the way:
http://www.deflaw.com/attorneys/barbara-a-marschalk

Here's her sidekick, Stevan A. Miller:
http://www.deflaw.com/attorneys/stevan-a-miller

Drew, Eckl, and Farnham have been in it from the beginning, starting with Kathryn Whitlock (http://www.hptylaw.com/attorneys-kathryn-whitlock.html) (who interestingly, is no longer with DEF, but now with Hawkins Parnell Thackston & Young) so they may well not have been aware of what they were getting into.

But now, Alston & Bird, employers of Mr. Bennett (http://www.alston.com/professionals/jay-bennett/) (NNI's new lawyer) - they had plenty of opportunity to find out what the case is about, and who and what they would be defending, before they accepted.   Dang, Mr. Bennett looks more tired different in the courtroom than he does in his photo.

While we're at it, both of Carlock, Copeland, and Stair, defending NNI:
David F. Root: http://www.carlockcopeland.com/Attorneys/davidf.root
Cheryl H. Shaw: http://www.carlockcopeland.com/Attorneys/cherylh.shaw

All along, the slimy full-time scientology lawyers, Kendrick Moxon and Helena Kobrin have been trying to pull the local lawyers' strings.  I would imagine this is because they aren't licensed to practice law in Georgia, but li'l Davey must still micromanage (no pun intended). 
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 06, 2013, 20:52
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/criminal-case-opened-against-narconon-rehab/nWB3k/
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 20:54
Hi Barbara, we feel for you. And Mr. Bennett.

She very well may be a top notch profesional, but lets not make the mistake of making what she is doing as something she had no control over.  When she defended the insurance fraud "allegations" as standard business practices she lost most of her credibility as a professional in my mind.

Attorneys who represent narconon and the "church" (notice the quotes)  :) are a slimy bunch in my experience.  They are akin to ambulance chasers.  They know there are going to be a shit load of cases against them because they are frauds and they know they have the cash to pay yet they still take the cases.

There is a silver lining though, unlike the "church" (notice the quotes)  :) this community does forgive.  She just needs to take ownership of her mistakes and make the effort to change.  I wish her the best despite what side she is currently on.

 ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 20:56
Hi Barbara, we feel for you. And Mr. Bennett.

You so bad! >:D


lol! You got my joke   ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 21:13
I kinda do feel for her now.  Of course, being a Mom and an working attorney is a real juggling act but I think Narconon has driven Barbara Marschalk to drink! Bourbon, wine and 5 hour energy drinks.

I just couldn't help posting these from her public profile on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/barbara.marschalk

Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
February 2 via mobile
Bone's. it's what's for dinner. Well that and bourbon. Duh.

Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
February 1 near Atlanta, GA
Just drank a 5 hour energy drink for the first time ever. I have become one of those people. And by "those people", I mean those people whose sleep deprivation cannot be cured by 14 cups of coffee before noon. Speaking at a CLE this afternoon. Need. Energy. For at least five more hours.

Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
January 27 near Atlanta, GA
Work. Tennis. Work. Bourbon. Family. Work. That's pretty much what my Sunday looks like.
Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk What level are you playing now, Stephanie Buck? And when are we going to have a drink?

Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
January 19 via mobile
Left the office early - yes I know it is Saturday - to come home and watch my two children. By myself. For hours. Without help from my husband. It's now 9:00 pm and the house is blissfully quiet. I can so do this. (Says the lawyer/mother who is pouring a much needed bourbon.)

Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
January 5
New front door, compliments of my law partner (who still has the key). If I wake up murdered in my bed with no sign of forced entry, start with questioning the Boy Scout in the corner office. — with Steve Miller.

Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
December 28, 2012
Wine from a friend's vineyard in Virginia. Check. Flannel jammies. Check. Downton Abbey on Netflix. Check. Perfect. Friday. Night.

Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
December 7, 2012 via mobile
Double bourbon in Pittsburgh, PA airport. Surprisingly, it is raining and cold. Who says lawyers don't lead glamorous lives? Because I certainly feel glamorous now. Not. At all.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: snippy on February 06, 2013, 23:19
I'm sure Scientology would take care of her kids for her if she asked them.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 23:22
I'm sure Scientology would take care of her kids for her if she asked them.

 3((: You are too funny, snippy!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: snippy on February 06, 2013, 23:26
 ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on February 06, 2013, 23:29
People still drink bourbon? Yuck! She is definitely a Southern girl. :D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 06, 2013, 23:29
People still drink bourbon? Yuck! She is definitely a Southern girl. :D

 ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on February 07, 2013, 01:05
I.hate.how.she.does.this.it.drives .me.nuts.

Bourbon.really?.note.to.self.dont.post.that.you.a re.a.drunk.on.facebook.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on February 07, 2013, 06:47
I kinda do feel for her now.  Of course, being a Mom and an working attorney is a real juggling act but I think Narconon has driven Barbara Marschalk to drink! Bourbon, wine and 5 hour energy drinks.

Uh, oh.  It seems to be escalating too.  There was one point during a break in the hearing when she said to the other attorneys at her table: "I'm so hungry.  I haven't eaten in 3 days.  Unless you count the 25 munchkins I had yesterday."

Quick, someone, get this girl a sammich.  And some potato chips!

Barbara, get a hold of yourself!  That way lies madness!  You don't want to end up at Narconon!



Seriously, a lawyer posting about drinking on facebook!  That stuff will never go away completely.   :( 

Maybe if you ask nicely though, Barbara, I'll edit it off of TP.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: wynot on February 07, 2013, 08:46
...
Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
February 2 via mobile
Bone's. it's what's for dinner. Well that and bourbon. Duh.
Perfect. Friday. Night.
...
[/quote]

For folks outside Atlanta, Bones is one of our best, and most expensive, steakhouses. Somebody is getting their billable hours up!

'til next time;
wynot
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 07, 2013, 08:49
...
Quote
Barbara Harding Marschalk
February 2 via mobile
Bone's. it's what's for dinner. Well that and bourbon. Duh.
Perfect. Friday. Night.
...

For folks outside Atlanta, Bones is one of our best, and most expensive, steakhouses. Somebody is getting their billable hours up!

'til next time;
wynot
[/quote]

lol! Thanks!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on February 11, 2013, 23:43
Apparently, bourbon is much more popular than I realized: Maker's Mark cutting alcohol volume in its bourbon (http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/business/makers-mark-cutting-alcohol-volume-in-its-bourbon/nWL76/)
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on February 12, 2013, 14:37
I hope Barbara M. realizes this is just gentle teasing from us. 
If she thinks this was rough, she should be glad it didn't happen on WWP, 4Chan, or Encyclopedia Dramatica.    OO_OO

I've split the posts about Narconon's billing into its own thread, and moved it into the main Narconon section (since this is now in the new Narconon in Georgia subforum): http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12245.0.html

Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: BMF on February 12, 2013, 18:26
Barbara.We.Are.Just.Kidding.

Best.Forum.Ever.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 12, 2013, 19:07
(since this is now in the new Narconon in Georgia subforum): http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12245.0.html

 Hopefully in the not to distant future THAT forum ( N of G) will end up being for "Historical" reference only!

 :){}{}{} says the cute monkey.

Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on February 12, 2013, 21:05
Barbara.We.Are.Just.Kidding.

Best.Forum.Ever.

 3((:
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on February 13, 2013, 01:42
(since this is now in the new Narconon in Georgia subforum): http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12245.0.html

 Hopefully in the not to distant future THAT forum ( N of G) will end up being for "Historical" reference only!

 :){}{}{} says the cute monkey.

 -0=|
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: 10oriocookies on February 17, 2013, 08:36
They cant keep paying people off to get out of stuff.  They will be closed for sure.  They are probably looking for a place to put their students already.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Witnessman on February 17, 2013, 23:31

Barbara Marschalk works for Drew, Eckl, and Farnham.  I would imagine she has to do what her employer expects ...

Drew, Eckl, and Farnham have been in it from the beginning, starting with Kathryn Whitlock (http://www.hptylaw.com/attorneys-kathryn-whitlock.html) (who interestingly, is no longer with DEF, but now with Hawkins Parnell Thackston & Young) so they may well not have been aware of what they were getting into.

But now, Alston & Bird, employers of Mr. Bennett (http://www.alston.com/professionals/jay-bennett/) (NNI's new lawyer) - they had plenty of opportunity to find out what the case is about, and who and what they would be defending, before they accepted.   Dang, Mr. Bennett looks more tired different in the courtroom than he does in his photo.

While we're at it, both of Carlock, Copeland, and Stair, defending NNI:
David F. Root: http://www.carlockcopeland.com/Attorneys/davidf.root
Cheryl H. Shaw: http://www.carlockcopeland.com/Attorneys/cherylh.shaw
 

My belief is both the law firms of Drew, Eckl & Farnham and Carlock, Copeland & Stair were hired - as is true in most or virtually all of their cases - by the insurance company (here, Western World) providing liability coverage to the insured entity(ies) or individual(s) (here, NNGA and NNINT) who had been sued.  And, although paid by the insurance company, they owed professional and ethical duties to the slimy defendants - who they were sort of somewhat involuntarily (by virtue of the business model of their firms) required to represent. 

And in the case of Drew, Eckl & Farnham, they probably had no clue at all of the cesspool they were agreeing to jump into. 

As for Carlock Copeland coming in the middle of case - once it became obvious that NNGA and NNINT needed at least nominally separate and distinct counsel from a legal ethics standpoint - this was again an assignment from the insurance company and they likely didn't have a large amount of choice in the matter or much opportunity to figure out exactly what they were going to be deal with before saying yes.

But regardless, once both of these insurance defense firms were involved, they probably needed to stay involved and see the case through to the bitter end, doing the best and most honest job they could under the difficult circumstance of representing malevolently evil and antisocial cultists. 

In particular, it is hard to see how Barbara - but also her partner, Steve, as well as the Carlock Copeland lawyers - could have maneuvered her/their way through the case any more honorably.  No comment about Ms. Whitlock.

As for the powerful and influential bastion of legal propriety known as Alston & Bird, and its senior partner, the illustrious but now much older Mr. Bennett, my belief was that was obviously a different colored horse.  Why exactly they would agree to become involved near the 11th hour is hard to explain or understand, other than by reference to Scientology's filthy lucre, of course.   Perhaps to the extent he/they may have been instrumental in helping get the matter finalized - once their reams of not too persuasive motions failed - I guess we could charitably say they did what they were being paid to do.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 18, 2013, 00:25
I like that ^^^^ witnessman!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 22, 2013, 10:30
 Local media has been notified as to newly revealed possible Narconon drug and alcohol counselor certification discrepancies.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 22, 2013, 11:06
Local media has been notified as to newly revealed possible Narconon drug and alcohol counselor certification discrepancies.

Good work! IIRC from Tony O's article, Georgia was also mentioned as having a site with the logo and was sent a cease and desist, too.  ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: 10oriocookies on February 22, 2013, 16:05
They need to know about this.  Good job!!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on March 20, 2013, 20:25
A little birdy says there was a WSB investigates segment on Narconon of Georgia, mostly old material, but hopefully leading up to something new.

 -0=|
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 20, 2013, 21:13
A little birdy says there was a WSB investigates segment on Narconon of Georgia, mostly old material, but hopefully leading up to something new.

 -0=|

was? will be? If was, when?  \--O--/
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on March 20, 2013, 21:27

was? will be? If was, when?  \--O--/

The segment was on earlier this evening. I did not see it.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: SocialTransparency on March 20, 2013, 23:37
 
 :D

 Tee Hee!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: wynot on March 21, 2013, 12:35

was? will be? If was, when?  \--O--/

The segment was on earlier this evening. I did not see it.

I did. While I was happy to see it being run as the lead on the Channel 2 news 'special', it was the Jody Fleischer stories, re-correlated and condensed to 10 minutes or so... Still, very well done!

'til next time;
wynot
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: cnhender on March 21, 2013, 20:38
Does anyone have a link?
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 21, 2013, 20:47
Does anyone have a link?
I wish. Apparently not. It was part of the regular nightly news one night.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: wynot on March 21, 2013, 21:21
Hi Mary; actually, it was shown on a half-hour investigative news special, where channel 2 showed several stories done locally. The Narconon story focused mostly on the insurance fraud apparently carried out by Ms. Rieser et.al. That was followed with a segment about some new street drug called Molly, and I did not see the rest of the show. Channel 2 does have a page on their site for their investigations, but do not yet have a link to this particular program. Let's hope they put one up soon!

'til later;
wynot
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on March 21, 2013, 21:27
Hi Mary; actually, it was shown on a half-hour investigative news special, where channel 2 showed several stories done locally. The Narconon story focused mostly on the insurance fraud apparently carried out by Ms. Rieser et.al. That was followed with a segment about some new street drug called Molly, and I did not see the rest of the show. Channel 2 does have a page on their site for their investigations, but do not yet have a link to this particular program. Let's hope they put one up soon!

'til later;
wynot

Thanks.
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: cnhender on March 21, 2013, 21:48
fingers are crossed  ;D
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on April 30, 2013, 06:29
I split off the part about the Insurance Fraud Raid so I could add it to the calendar. 
The new thread is here: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12431.0.html
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: ethercat on August 04, 2013, 21:01
There's a ~30 minute video here, that appears to be a compilation of all the WSB TV news reports:
'Crooked Care' - WSB-TV Investigation of Georgia's Narconon Program
http://vimeo.com/69325667

Good place to see it all at once. The segments are labeled as "2014 Alfred I. duPont - Columbia Awards."
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 04, 2013, 22:31
There's a ~30 minute video here, that appears to be a compilation of all the WSB TV news reports:
'Crooked Care' - WSB-TV Investigation of Georgia's Narconon Program
http://vimeo.com/69325667

Good place to see it all at once. The segments are labeled as "2014 Alfred I. duPont - Columbia Awards."

Cool!! Thanks!
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on August 05, 2013, 16:38
The segments are labeled as "2014 Alfred I. duPont - Columbia Awards."

I hope this means some local reporters are winning some awards.


Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 05, 2013, 21:25
The segments are labeled as "2014 Alfred I. duPont - Columbia Awards."

I hope this means some local reporters are winning some awards.

I suspect that this is a submission by WSB TV.  The 2014 Alfred I Dupont Awards

 TIMELINE

    Entry Process opens: May 1, 2013
    Deadline: July 1 Extensions are limited and granted at the sole discretion of the Director.
    Judging process: July - October
    Winners are notified: November 2013
    Winners are announced: December 2013
    Award Ceremony: January 2014
    Winners' Circle Panel at Columbia University: January 2014

http://www.journalism.columbia.edu/page/728-how-to-enter/551
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: mefree on August 05, 2013, 22:28
Yes, but I'm postulating awards.  ;)
Title: Re: Narconon on WSB TV news
Post by: wynot on August 06, 2013, 10:18
The Dupont is an extremely prestigious award in journalism. That WSB would submit this series for judgement says a lot about the importance of the subject and the quality of the reporting. When they win -0=|, we should send them a very nice congratulations telegram (do they still have telegrams?) or card, don't ya think? :::-O-:::

'til next time!
wynot