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Narconon and Other Scientology Front Groups => Narconon in California => Topic started by: CoolHand on February 20, 2013, 13:00

Title: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: CoolHand on February 20, 2013, 13:00
When I first started working with Narconon, the one in northern California was simply called Narconon Northern California.  We referred to it as "Nor Cal".  Then several years ago they tried to get away from the black PR online and changed their name to Vista Bay Treatment Center, but Narconon International wouldn't allow them to ditch the Narconon name, so they go by Narconon Vista Bay.  Now in apparently another effort do dodge accumulated black PR online again (lawsuits, negative info about Narconon, etc.) they have started to use Redwood Cliffs Rehab.  Their site redwoodcliffsrehab . com doesn't actually talk about Narconon at all though.  The Narconon logo is at the top and the copyright info is at the bottom, but both are images and not text, so therefore it doesn't show up under searches when cross-referencing the two.

This is a similar tactic that Narconon Southern California (So Cal) did when renaming its individual centers and using Fresh Start for its network-within-a-network of Narconon centers.

As mentioned elsewhere here, other centers try to do the same, such as Narconon Freedom Center going by "Freedom Drug Rehab", Narconon Suncoast using "Suncoast Rehabilitation Center," etc.
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: BigBeard on February 20, 2013, 15:03
As far as the IRS is concerned they're still Narconon Northern California. I wonder if they did a "Narconon Northern California DBA Narconon Vista Bay and/or Redwood Cliffs Rehab" with the state, but still use NN No. CA with the IRS??

Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: CoolHand on February 20, 2013, 17:32
Good question.  I presume it's just another DBA.
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: 10oriocookies on February 20, 2013, 18:37
Yep, I spoke to someone today who called there and that is how they answered the phone.
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: ethercat on February 20, 2013, 20:39
Yep, I spoke to someone today who called there and that is how they answered the phone.

As Narconon, or Red Wood Cliffs?

Now in apparently another effort do dodge accumulated black PR online again (lawsuits, negative info about Narconon, etc.) they have started to use Redwood Cliffs Rehab.  Their site redwoodcliffsrehab . com doesn't actually talk about Narconon at all though.  The Narconon logo is at the top and the copyright info is at the bottom, but both are images and not text, so therefore it doesn't show up under searches when cross-referencing the two.

We can do the cross-referencing for them; we excel at that.   ;D
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: CoolHand on February 20, 2013, 21:34
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We can do the cross-referencing for them; we excel at that.   ;D

Yes, because here, they even explain their origins in an image file rather than text! http://www. redwoodcliffsrehab . com/our-origins/
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: 10oriocookies on February 20, 2013, 21:53
Yep, I spoke to someone today who called there and that is how they answered the phone.

As Narconon, or Red Wood Cliffs?

Now in apparently another effort do dodge accumulated black PR online again (lawsuits, negative info about Narconon, etc.) they have started to use Redwood Cliffs Rehab.  Their site redwoodcliffsrehab . com doesn't actually talk about Narconon at all though.  The Narconon logo is at the top and the copyright info is at the bottom, but both are images and not text, so therefore it doesn't show up under searches when cross-referencing the two.

We can do the cross-referencing for them; we excel at that.   ;D

Redwood.
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: ethercat on February 20, 2013, 23:34
Thanks for the answer and the correction, Eric. 

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We can do the cross-referencing for them; we excel at that.   ;D

Yes, because here, they even explain their origins in an image file rather than text! http://www. redwoodcliffsrehab . com/our-origins/

Even the copyright statement at the bottom in a graphic!   :-D^\^\

It says:
© 2013 Narconon Redwood Cliffs.  All rights reserved.  Narconon and the Narconon logo are trademarks and service marks owned by the association for Better Living and Education International and are used with its permission.

Oops, I wonder if the Narconon Redwood Cliffs copyright statement is copyrighted.   :P

It's so odd, though, that they don't mind the people who come to the Narconon Redwood Cliffs Drug Rehab site knowing it's Narconon, but they don't want the search engines to know it.  It's almost as if it's US who they didn't want to find out about it.

   J-:B

As far as the IRS is concerned they're still Narconon Northern California. I wonder if they did a "Narconon Northern California DBA Narconon Vista Bay and/or Redwood Cliffs Rehab" with the state, but still use NN No. CA with the IRS?

So, just to make that clear for the visitors: Narconon Northern California is the same as Narconon Vista Bay and the same as Redwood Cliffs Rehab.  The same Narconon has also been called Narconon Watsonville at some time in the past, also, but whether it was a colloquialism, or official name, I'm not sure.

Narconon Northern California = Narconon Vista Bay = Redwood Cliffs Rehab = Narconon Watsonville
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: ethercat on February 20, 2013, 23:43
Those pages would look a lot better, too, if the "overflow: hidden" was taken out of here:

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.content-wrapper .content {
    margin: 0 auto;
    overflow: hidden;
    padding: 0 0 25px;
    position: relative;
    width: 900px;
    z-index: 100;
}

Just to see if they're watching...   :D
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: 10oriocookies on February 20, 2013, 23:59
Narconon We Are Northern California = Narconon Trying To Hide Vista Bay = Redwood Who Cliffs Rehab = Narconon We Are Watsonville

Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: BigBeard on February 21, 2013, 00:11
Did a quick search of the Business Entity lising at http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/ and this is what came up:

Entity Number   Date Filed    Status                 Entity Name                                          Agent for Service of Process
C1765679        06/22/1995   ACTIVE              FRIENDS OF NARCONON INTL.     DAPHNA L HERNANDEZ
C0720613        08/19/1974   SUSPENDED        NARCONON BERKELEY   
C2186790        03/03/2000   ACTIVE              NARCONON DRUG PREVENTION & EDUCATION, INC.   SIGAL ADINI
C2213359        02/23/2000   ACTIVE              NARCONON FRESH START            MARK KIRWIN
C2516763        06/03/2003   SUSPENDED        NARCONON HOLLYWOOD             JAMES STEINBERG
C0598820        05/20/1970   ACTIVE              NARCONON INTERNATIONAL         HELENA KOBRIN
C2843726        09/27/2006   SUSPENDED        NARCONON JOSHUA HILLS            TIFFANY PHARMER
C2742632        03/18/2005   SUSPENDED        NARCONON LOS ANGELES            HELENA K KOHRIN
C1570562        10/15/1990   ACTIVE              NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA     HELENA KOBRIN
C1654607        12/18/1989   SUSPENDED        NARCONON OF SACRAMENTO      RONALD SEVEROID

Searching on Narconon Vista Bay, Redwood Cliffs Rehab, and Narconon Watsonville returns a "Record Not Found" response. And the full listing for Narconon of Northern California does not show any 'DBA', 'Assumed Name', or 'Alias' associated with that entity number.

Or put another way, it would appear NN of No. Calif. is using assumed business names without notifying the California Secretary of State's office. I wonder if they are paying their payroll, property, and income taxes to the state as NN of No. Calif. or, since they aren't listed as a business entity under the assumed names, just not paying them at all??

 
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: mefree on February 21, 2013, 19:43
Did a quick search of the Business Entity lising at http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/ and this is what came up:

Entity Number   Date Filed    Status                 Entity Name                                          Agent for Service of Process
C1765679        06/22/1995   ACTIVE              FRIENDS OF NARCONON INTL.     DAPHNA L HERNANDEZ
C0720613        08/19/1974   SUSPENDED        NARCONON BERKELEY   
C2186790        03/03/2000   ACTIVE              NARCONON DRUG PREVENTION & EDUCATION, INC.   SIGAL ADINI
C2213359        02/23/2000   ACTIVE              NARCONON FRESH START            MARK KIRWIN
C2516763        06/03/2003   SUSPENDED        NARCONON HOLLYWOOD             JAMES STEINBERG
C0598820        05/20/1970   ACTIVE              NARCONON INTERNATIONAL         HELENA KOBRIN
C2843726        09/27/2006   SUSPENDED        NARCONON JOSHUA HILLS            TIFFANY PHARMER
C2742632        03/18/2005   SUSPENDED        NARCONON LOS ANGELES            HELENA K KOHRIN
C1570562        10/15/1990   ACTIVE              NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA     HELENA KOBRIN
C1654607        12/18/1989   SUSPENDED        NARCONON OF SACRAMENTO      RONALD SEVEROID


I see they're playing the name spelling game again with their corporate registrations -Kohrin, Kobrin, tomato, tomahto

Narconon Northern California = Narconon Vista Bay = Redwood Cliffs Rehab = Narconon Watsonville
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: SocialTransparency on February 21, 2013, 22:06

Narconon Northern California = Narconon Vista Bay = Redwood Cliffs Rehab = Narconon Watsonville
LOL.
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: CoolHand on February 23, 2013, 18:05
Looks like they're quickly on the defensive up there at Narconon Vista Bay / Redwood Cliffs Rehab.

The other day when you searched for the name all that came up was redwoodcliffsrehab . com.  But now they also have redwoodcliffs . org, redwoodcliffsdrugrehab . org, rewoodcliffsdrugrehab . com, webdev . redwoodcliffs . com / facilites / and probably several more.  It's the preemptive anti-black-pr/reputation management campaign.

Interesting that the Narconon network has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for online reputation management in recent years, yet in GA if you search for Narconon in Google then 18 of the top 20 results are negative...
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 23, 2013, 18:37
They didn't notify the state licensing again. They are still listed as Vista Bay
http://www.adp.state.ca.us/Licensing/pdf/Status_Report.pdf

I will file an online complaint.
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: 10oriocookies on February 23, 2013, 19:10
Looks like they're quickly on the defensive up there at Narconon Vista Bay / Redwood Cliffs Rehab.

The other day when you searched for the name all that came up was redwoodcliffsrehab . com.  But now they also have redwoodcliffs . org, redwoodcliffsdrugrehab . org, rewoodcliffsdrugrehab . com, webdev . redwoodcliffs . com / facilites / and probably several more.  It's the preemptive anti-black-pr/reputation management campaign.

Interesting that the Narconon network has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars for online reputation management in recent years, yet in GA if you search for Narconon in Google then 18 of the top 20 results are negative...

If 18 of the top 20 are negative that means their fake referral sites are doing their job (or they are making everyone deaf and blind before they get there).  We need to step it up on a notch.  There's a list compiled of these fake sites yes?  Has it gone to the AG's in each state a NN is in?  Its only like 6 or 7 states.  Another would need to go to SAMSHA or one of those types of agencies. More to media.  Maybe some to CRC so they can use their contacts.

When fishy for shark, throw lots o bait in wata.-ancient chinese secret
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 23, 2013, 20:42
They didn't notify the state licensing again. They are still listed as Vista Bay
http://www.adp.state.ca.us/Licensing/pdf/Status_Report.pdf

I will file an online complaint.

Subject: Narconon Programs / Legal and Fictitious name issues.

Saturday, February 23, 2013 8:22 PM
From: "Mary McConnell" <xscilentologist@yahoo.com>
View contact details
To: LCBcomp@adp.ca.gov
Cc: "Lisa Bartley" <Lisa.Bartley@abc.com>

Dear ADP Complaint Intake,

Why is it that Narconon programs keep getting away with not registering their fictitious and corporate name changes with your agency before they begin operating under these names?

This has happened before, with Narconon Southern California changing it's legal name to Narconon Fresh Start. You cited NARCONON JLB RANCH Record ID 370087BN for not informing you of the name change from Narconon Southern California to Narconon Fresh Start, but you failed to cite them on keeping the old legal name on their HUNTINGTON HARBOR HOUSE Record ID 300077AN license. The legal name of Narconon Southern California no longer exists.

The legal name of all programs under the Narconon name in southern CA, is Narconon Fresh Start. This legal name was changed almost 3 years ago! You can search for both here: http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/. Only Narconon Fresh Start is listed.  You can look at your records for the program Narconon JBL Ranch to confirm this name change.

Now I have another issue to inform you about. This is in regards to another Narconon entity,  Narconon Northern California, marketing on the internet what is either a new unlicensed rehab facility or one or more of it's licensed programs under the program names REDWOOD CLIFFS, REDWOOD CLIFFS DRUG REHAB & NARCONON REDWOOD CLIFFS

It seems that Narconon of Northern California registered these names with the Santa Cruz County Clerk's Office on Jan 8, 2013, nearly a month after these sites went up and began advertising on the internet, using success stories of graduates to promote their program. You can see these ficitious names here:
http://sccounty01.co.santa-cruz.ca.us/clerkrecorder/asp/FBNDocDetail.asp?DocID=2013-0000064

The fictitious names they registered are:

Business Name             FBN Number         Registrant           File Date
REDWOOD CLIFFS          2013-0000064    NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA     1/8/2013

REDWOOD CLIFFS DRUG REHAB  2013-0000064  NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
1/8/2013

NARCONON REDWOOD CLIFFS   2013-0000064     NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
1/8/2013
http://sccounty01.co.santa-cruz.ca.us/clerkrecorder/asp/FBNDocDetail.asp?DocID=2013-0000064

Their web sites were registered in Dec 2012, with Success Stories of patients, which means they were operating as the above names before either having a license or not reporting to your agency their program name changes. You can see the website links, as well as the website registrations. The name Narconon is included on the main site  www.redwoodcliffsrehab.com/

You can also see the name Narconon here.
http://www.redwoodcliffsrehab.com/treatment/redwood-cliffs-drug-rehab-therapy/

They are all over the internet advertising, displaying success stories from graduates yet they are not even registered with your agency. Some do not mention the name Narconon. You can see a google search of them here:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Redwood+cliffs+rehab&oq=Redwood+cliffs+rehab&gs_l=hp.12..0l2.1831.6611.1.8852.20.16.0.4.4.0.217.2678.1j13j2.16.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.4.hp.nAOowtrjBhk&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42768644,d.dmQ&fp=b67c912a47892205&biw=1024&bih=638
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=redwoodcliffs.com

Here are the website domain registrations for some but not all of these web sites . They each have their registration information hidden through a proxy company so you can't tell that Narconon Northern California owns these sites:
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=redwoodcliffsrehab.com

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=redwoodcliffsaddictiontreatment.com

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=redwoodcliffs.org

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=redwoodcliffsdrugrehab.org

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=redwoodcliffsaddictiontreatment.com

Your Status Report of 2/8/2013 does not list this Redwood Cliffs name for any and all of Narconon of Northern California licensed programs, nor does it have the correct legal name for HUNTINGTON HARBOR HOUSE
http://www.adp.ca.gov/Licensing/pdf/Status_Report.pdf

Narconon Northern California has many lawsuits filed against their programs, more than any facility in the USA, so that might explain the advertising of a fictitious name.

In recent months, Narconon Fresh Start ( formerly Narconon Southern California ) has already been caught by your agency operating 2 unlicensed facilities:

The Barn
35955 Highway 79
Warner Springs, CA 92086
License Number: Unlicensed Facility
Cease and Desist Issued: September 6, 2012
The Big House
35422 Highway 79
Warner Springs, CA 92087
License Number: Unlicensed Facility
Cease and Desist Issued: September 6, 2012
http://www.adp.ca.gov/Licensing/pdf/Suspended_and_Revoked_Programs.pdf

Are they doing it again with the Narconon Northern California programs? Or did they just change their 'doing business as' dba name and fail to report it to ADP? Perhaps a new name was decided, minimally, as their Narconon Vista Bay program has more lawsuits now than any other Narconon in the USA.

In summary:

You have to investigate why Narconon Fresh Start did not inform you of their legal name change on the HUNTINGTON HARBOR HOUSE facility license renewal.

You need to investigate whether Narconon Northern California is running illegal unlicensed program under the name Redwood Cliffs at a new
location(s)  or if they are operating their Vista Bay, Watsonville and Tahoe programs under a fictitious name which they then failed to report to you.

Thank you for your attention to this.


Mary McConnell
http://reaching4.info

cc: Lisa Bartley, ABC News
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: 10oriocookies on February 23, 2013, 21:19
Awesome! 
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 23, 2013, 21:51
Awesome!

Thanks :) They are very familiar with Lisa Bartley from ABC Eye Witness News over there  ;D
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 13, 2013, 17:22
Vista Bay pretending on LinkedIn to be "Redwood Cliffs", lol
Redwood Cliffs Rehab

(http://m3.licdn.com/mpr/pub/image-A4OC8sCdQiegV-qscB5w7GNIaIGAiyBaIhu7D5Qma7bl17aSA4O7aILdas_AisRcD5_y/redwood-cliffs-rehab.jpg)
    Executive at Redwood Cliffs Drug Rehab
    Santa Cruz, California (San Francisco Bay Area)
    Hospital & Health Care

Redwood Cliffs Rehab's Experience
Executive
Redwood Cliffs Drug Rehab
January 1992 – Present (21 years 4 months)

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/redwood-cliffs-rehab/62/43a/21a

Twitter, lol!

Redwood Cliffs Rehab
@RedwoodCliffsRe

Been saving lives for over 20 years, over 2000 lives saved #sober # savealife

redwoodcliffsrehab.com
https://twitter.com/RedwoodCliffsRe

"My son went through the Redwood Cliffs Program in 2004 and his life... "
http://www.redwoodcliffsaddictiontreatment.com/redwood-cliffs-rehab-review-fatherstestimonial-j-t/


Redwood Cliffs Rehab - Ryan P
from Tom Marshall 4 weeks ago all audiences

Redwood Cliffs Drug Rehab is a residential, long-term drug and alcohol treatment program. We specialize in handling the underlying causes of addiction. Most other drug treatment facilities treat addiction as a disease and manage it through daily meetings and medication. Unfortunately, this only treats the symptoms of addiction. Getting to the root cause often takes real work, but we have been doing it successfully for decades. Our program and staff can help the addict isolate what is driving them to addiction, and how they can live a new life without drugs.
redwoodcliffsrehab.com/
http://vimeo.com/61816454

Tom Marshall's facebook profile named Redwood Cliffs
https://www.facebook.com/tom.marshall.77770?fref=ts

Redwood Cliffs Rehab Facebook page
    Interlaken, California 95076

Phone   (888) 284-4995
Website   http://www.redwoodcliffsrehab.com

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/598734_483593211703647_211204979_n.jpg)

(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/559852_476521179077517_1135078208_n.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Redwood-Cliffs-Rehab/438834576179511

Santa Cruz County Clerk:
Business Name    FBN Number    Registrant    File Date
NARCONON REDWOOD CLIFFS    2013-0000064    NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    1/8/2013

REDWOOD CLIFFS                    2013-0000064    NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    1/8/2013

REDWOOD CLIFFS DRUG REHAB    2013-0000064    NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    1/8/2013
 End Of List
http://sccounty01.co.santa-cruz.ca.us/clerkrecorder/Asp/FBNInquiry.asp
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on April 13, 2013, 17:49
Please select a Document Number to view the document details.
Business Name                    FBN Number     Registrant       File Date

VISTA BAY    2011-0002096    NARCONON NORTHEN CALIFORNIA    10/7/2011

VISTA BAY REHABILITATION SERVICES    2011-0002096    NARCONON NORTHEN CALIFORNIA    10/7/2011

VISTA BAY TREATMENT CENTERS    2011-0002096    NARCONON NORTHEN CALIFORNIA    10/7/2011

VISTA BAY    2006-0002004    NARCONON NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    10/10/2006

VISTA BAY TREATMENT CENTERS    2006-0002004    NARCONON NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    10/10/2006

VISTA BAY REHABILITATION SERVICES    2006-0002004    NARCONON NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    10/10/2006

NARCONON NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    2012-0000183    NARCONON NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    1/18/2012

REDWOOD CLIFFS    2013-0000064    NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    1/8/2013

REDWOOD CLIFFS DRUG REHAB    2013-0000064    NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    1/8/2013

NARCONON REDWOOD CLIFFS    2013-0000064    NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    1/8/2013

NARCONON VISTA BAY    2007-0000251    NARCONON OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA    1/29/2007
 End Of List
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: 10oriocookies on April 13, 2013, 17:51
Narconon never ceases to amaze me.  I wonder what Arrowhead's new name is going to be.
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: ethercat on May 12, 2013, 21:26
Vista Bay Video posted to TonyO's blog:
http://rutube.ru/video/embed/6337498

Long, but it's interesting to see some faces to put with names we've heard about.  This must have been made for the employees.  I can't imagine this was intended to attract customers.   ??? 

Worth watching just for the WTF factor - and of course, anyone considering going to Vista Bay should watch it.

(https://securecdn.disqus.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/491/2623/original.jpg)


tonyortega.org/2013/05/12/scientology-sunday-funnies-portland-is-now-cleared-on-to-the-rest-of-earth/
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 12, 2013, 21:57
That is one of the most absurd ( but informative to us) videos I have ever seen. Isn't Redwood Cliff's stated in the video to be the Treasury office? lol

Dr Stein is a whoa, lol
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: mefree on May 13, 2013, 07:36
I couldn't stomach watching the whole thing, but found the re-enactment of the reassuring (false) call to the parents disturbing  - all done with a smile.
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on May 13, 2013, 09:12
I couldn't stomach watching the whole thing, but found the re-enactment of the reassuring (false) call to the parents disturbing  - all done with a smile.

There are people in that video with a history I am familiar with from all the complaints I have received over the years and from court records.

For example, at around 13:32 we see Scott Friend. Scott is the staff member from Vista Bay who gave car keys and permission to Justin Smith to leave Narconon in Watsonville for a spin in the car while Justin was on the program. This resulted in the death of Justin and his passenger
http://www.scribd.com/doc/106462369/Negligent-Death-Lawsuit-Catherine-Smith-et-al-vs-Narconon-Northern-California

Quote
    Complaint for Damages "Wrongful Death" of Justin Smith (Plaintiff's son)

    This case concerns the death of Justin Smith, 22 years old,
    following a July 13, 2000 collision when he drove his 1966 Mustang
    to excessive speed and it went off the road (a few hundred yards
    from the turnoff to Narcononís Watsonville facility) and hit a tree.

    Justin was a client at the Narconon facility in Watsonville,
    and the allegation is that Narconon staffer Scott Friend wrongly
    provided Justin the keys to his vehicle while he was involved
    in treatment (which enabled the accident to occur). It is not
    believed that drugs or alcohol were a factor in this accident,
    per the initial CHP report.


    There were also 3 other persons in that vehicle, and of them
    a fellow client (Chad Skoglie, age 27) also died, and two
    Narconon staffers (Eric Petersen, age 31, and John Vereeke, age 33)
    were seriously injured.


    Chad Skoglie was the son of xxxxxxxx xxxxxxx Lxxxx Sxxxxxx,
    and a later complaint (which was consolidated into this case)
    was filed on behalf of minor children "(N)" and "(McK)"
    (regarding the loss of their relation) who resided
    with their grandmother in Idaho.

    Justin had obtained his vehicle following phone calls made to
    his mother, who had planned to remove his vehicle from a
    residential garage. Justin feared that his black 1966 Mustang,
    a prized possession, would get "destroyed" from "sitting in the
    street" near a 7-11 convenience store. Justin was in treatment
    for methamphetamine use, following unspecified legal action for
    possession (possibly of methamphetamine or paraphernalia),
    and was described by Narconon as "typical for admission (to their
    program)": "smart," "rebellious," "in denial, and in "legal trouble."

    The Plaintiff's claim was that providing car keys to an addict
    in treatment, was a violation of not only treatment rules but
    could also be seen as negligence. Narconon's attorney,
    Steven D. Werth of Low, Ball & Lynch of San Francisco,
    countered that the decedent was "negligent himself." Narconon's
    defense largely rested on a combination of "cross-complaint" legal
    filings described by the Plaintiff's attorney as being "without any
    legal or factual theory or justification" and "solely for the
    purpose of and intention to intimidate, coerce an/or deter Smith's
    pursuit of her original claim," and depositions of Narconon staff,
    (some of whom were located by private investigators after being
    transferred to a women's shelter in New Mexico, and others who
    repeated the assertion that decedent Smith had exhibited speed as
    he left the facility just prior to the accident).

    Narconon claimed that the "release of liability" signed by Justin
    when he entered his treatment program on May 8, 2000, included
    language which prevented "any legal action or litigation against
    Narconon Inc., its Board of Directors, members, employees, or
    L. Ron Hubbard arising for any reason out of my participation in
    the Narconon program."

    Staff at Narconon Watsonville in 2000 were listed as:
    Tyson Bates, Joey Burnham, John Burns, Scott Friend, Angie Manson,
    Daniel Manson, Laurie Miller, Andy Troy Moore, Lisa Moore,
    Eric Petersen, Tatsuya Sakamoto, xxxxx xxxxxx, William Starr,
    P.J. Treat, and John Vereeke. Others named (possibly clients)
    were: Ed Hocking, Frank Montara, Mr. Papastefanou, and
    Richard Prescott. A local resident who witnessed the accident
    was "Hagger."

    Eric Petersen, injured in accident, (was Narconon employee)
    Last at: Redondo Technologies, Redondo Beach CA 90277

    Smith's mother subsequently established a drug-abuse
    information program, seen at welcome to the Jason Foundation,
    which offers scholarships to students in drug counseling
    curricula, and which provides information on state legislation
    requiring training of drug counselors.

    (Excerpt from FREEDOM November-December 2005)

    It was Thursday July 13, 2000, but I remember it like it
    was yesterday. I was standing in my living room at 11:30 PM
    listening to two police officers tell me my twenty-two year
    old son had died in a car accident earlier that evening.
    My first words were, "It can't be Justin; he's in a safe place".
    It was Justin. In the weeks and months that followed,
    I learned that he had not been in a safe place. I learned that:

    In the drug addiction field there were few regulations;

    Marketing claims publicized by drug rehabilitation clinics could be unsubstantiated;

    Residential drug rehabilitation facilities could obtain state licensure by writing their own program;

    Patient recruiting and interventions could be sold on a commission basis;

    Drug addiction counselors were not required to have any formal education or training;

    Patient recruiting and interventions could be sold on a commission basis;

    Drug addiction counselors were not required to have any formal education or training;

    There were no regulations regarding length of time a counselor needed to be sober before working with clients;

    Sexual relationships between staff members and/or clients could go undisciplined;

    Alcohol and other drugs could be kept and consumed by staff on residential rehabilitation premises;

    Traffic accidents involving drunken staff and clients could go unreported to proper authorities;

    Sexual harassment and verbal abuse of staff and clients could occur without consequence;

    Even rumors of rape and sexual perversity warranted no investigation.
    I was appalled and sickened at what I heard from previous clients, staff
    and family members.

    I asked myself how I, or other parents, could have known what was going
    on behind closed doors and the answer is that we could not.
    The Justin Foundation was founded because everyone in need of
    treatment for alcohol or drug addiction should have a SAFE place to go.
    Most of us parents do not know much about addictive drugs, so
    The Justin Foundationís first task was to create a parent-friendly
    web site at The Justin Foundation offering information regarding addictive drugs.

    The second goal was to see mandatory education and training for
    drug addiction counselors. The newly enacted state regulations are
    a start. We are hopeful the newly formed CAADAC/PAC will be able to
    influence legislators to strengthen requirements.
    The Justin Foundation stands ready to support that effort and has
    agreed to serve on the Counselor Certification and Oversight Committee
    being formed by the State.

    In today's world of addiction recovery, people can be in unsafe situations
    now, so it is imperative we get more counselors that are qualified into
    the field as quickly as possible. This year The Justin Foundation started
    a scholarship fund to assist people who are committed to obtaining
    addiction counselor certification obtain a formal education.
    To insure professionalism, only CAADAC approved study programs qualify.
    Recipients receive $500.00 per semester for tuition and books, which is
    renewable as long as the student maintains a B average in six or more units.
    We were able to award two scholarships for the 2005-06 academic year.
    In 2006-07, we will award as many scholarships as we can fund.
    If you can help with this endeavor, very dollar you send will go
    directly into the scholarship fund and is 100% tax deductible.


14 mins we see Dr Stephen Stein acting like a pimp... listed in several lawsuits, in particular the Evans case
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php?topic=402.20
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: CoolHand on August 06, 2013, 07:40
It appears that Narconon Northern California/Vista Bay/Redwood Cliffs, et. al. is playing the name game again.  According to this state document http://www.adp.ca.gov/licensing/pdf/Status_Report.pdf, which I believe is just from last month, they are now changing their Placerville facility to be Narconon Pinecone Grove and their South Lake Tahoe facility to be Narconon Emerald Pines.  What's next?
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 06, 2013, 10:37
It appears that Narconon Northern California/Vista Bay/Redwood Cliffs, et. al. is playing the name game again.  According to this state document http://www.adp.ca.gov/licensing/pdf/Status_Report.pdf, which I believe is just from last month, they are now changing their Placerville facility to be Narconon Pinecone Grove and their South Lake Tahoe facility to be Narconon Emerald Pines.  What's next?

LOL! A little birdie told me that since all the lawsuits began 2 years ago things have been so bad, PR and sales wise, that this name change strategy was born,. Like Narconon Fresh Start changing from NArconon Southern California, and filing fictitious names for some of their other facilities
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: BigBeard on August 07, 2013, 08:51
If they're part of the NN Int "family", do they still have to reveal their link to narCONon to avoid misleading advertising, and/or fraud charges??

Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: Mary_McConnell on August 07, 2013, 10:14
If they're part of the NN Int "family", do they still have to reveal their link to narCONon to avoid misleading advertising, and/or fraud charges??

Well, these are just fictitious names, most if not all registered with the county, Narconon Vista Bay doing business as... Narconon Tahoe doing business as... But because they listed these names with the ADP licensing, they are not being 'deceptive' to that extent. When it comes to their advertising... one would have to look to see if they are omitting the Narconon name from web sites they have under these names... On Redwood Cliffs they did have the Narconon logo discretely there at the top so no deception. But are there more web sites without the Narconon name? That is a project awaiting some attention. Right now it's what they and other referrer sites have been saying over the phone when selling these programs that points to deception. 
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: mefree on August 07, 2013, 16:48
Yes. In a lot of the advertising the Narconon name is conveniently dropped.

Example:
Redwood Cliffs Rehab | Revolutionary Drug Treatment |
redwoodcliffs rehabdotsomething or other
Redwood Cliffs Drug Rehab is a residential, long-term drug and alcohol treatment program with decades of success. Get your life and health back for good.
‎About Addiction - ‎Meth Addiction - ‎Alcohol Addiction - ‎Ecstasy Addiction
Title: Re: Narconon Vista Bay changing its name to Redwood Cliffs Rehab?
Post by: ethercat on August 07, 2013, 18:00
For the most part, the general public is not likely to check DBAs or check with the licensing agency.  The first they may find out about it will probably be when their credit card statement comes through with a charge to Narconon - unless NN has set up another merchant account for these charges.  At least for those who don't get suspicious due to the peculiarities and search online first.