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Narconon and Other Scientology Front Groups => Narconon in Georgia => Topic started by: source on September 01, 2013, 22:30

Title: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: source on September 01, 2013, 22:30
Check out the wonderful way back machine of April 12, 2012 where Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120412133354/http://www.narconon.co/narconon-centers/narconon-georgia.html

But, oddly enough, a current check on that same page has the word inpatient removed.

Apparently it just "disappeared".

Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: mefree on September 01, 2013, 22:33
Check out the wonderful way back machine of April 12, 2012 where Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program.

http://web.archive.org/web/20120412133354/http://www.narconon.co/narconon-centers/narconon-georgia.html

But, oddly enough, a current check on that same page has the word inpatient removed.

Apparently it just "disappeared".

That's cool. I believe we have some screenshots around here too.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: source on September 01, 2013, 22:52
They also mention that Narconon of georgia has a pool.  Odd, because I don't recall the "outpatient" center ever having a pool that they could advertise.

I'm trying to think...where oh where did they have a pool that can be advertised as a part of the inpatient program of Narconon of georgia?

(Mary Reiser refers to the small kiddie pool in her purse to deflect attention away from the "non affiliated" pool at the housing portion.)
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: CoolHand on September 29, 2013, 08:46
Narconon International has officially removed Georgia from its list of centers on their website: narconon[dot]org/narconon-centers/east-united-states.html
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: mefree on September 29, 2013, 09:09
Good. That may be the first honest thing they have done in compliance with the law.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 29, 2013, 09:59
Hi Source, that information ( as well as other proof of NN Int promoting NNGA as inpatient ) was sent to the Desmond attorneys back in the fall.. and I believe it was also included in a complaint to DCH that NNGA was still promoting themselves as impatient, after DCH decided ( after NNGA responded ) that they weren't doing this.

Luke, I am glad they are off the list, lol Thanks
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: BigBeard on September 29, 2013, 16:59
Hmmm...If they are turning in their license, does that mean they have to notify the IRS to remove NN GA from the list of facilities covered by the NN Int Group Exemption Letter (GEN 2595) effective for 2013? And if somehow they managed to get their license back in a year, would they then have to apply for their own 501(c)3 exemption to operate tax exempt again??

Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 29, 2013, 17:30
Hmmm...If they are turning in their license, does that mean they have to notify the IRS to remove NN GA from the list of facilities covered by the NN Int Group Exemption Letter (GEN 2595) effective for 2013? And if somehow they managed to get their license back in a year, would they then have to apply for their own 501(c)3 exemption to operate tax exempt again??

Not necessarily.. the agreement was just about the license. It did not say 'cease operations'.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Witnessman on September 29, 2013, 21:10
Narconon International should now refer to Narconon of Georgia as a nopatient program
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Mary_McConnell on September 29, 2013, 21:19
Narconon International should now refer to Narconon of Georgia as a nopatient program
3((:
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: SocialTransparency on September 30, 2013, 00:14
They also mention that Narconon of georgia has a pool.

They may have been referring to the pool @ the Berkeley Landing apartments used to house the "Clients". That pool has not been open in over 2+ years.

On that note,a BIG SHOUT OUT to Darrell Javier Hall. Hows the narCONon of georgia housing situation treating you of late? :D >:D

Changing your companies name does not change the game Darrell. http://discovery-house.net/

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/45-1.png)

Above photo: Scam artist and former ED of NarCONon of Georgia,s Mary Reiser and narCONon of Georgia,s former (?) housing provider Darrell Javier Hall.

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/3.png)

 Above photo:Darrell Javier Hall. Director of Discovery House (Formally DiscoveryCourse)

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/IMG_0848.jpg)

 Above photo: Berkeley Landing apartment were Darrell Javier Hall rents multiple apartments,then rents them out to "Clients". Darrell Javier Hall was the majority housing provider for NarCONon of Georgia. That is no longer the case...... ;D

 All those leased apartment and no one to rent then to now. Must be costing you a pretty penny huh Darrell. :D

(http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy75/sbysbys/0526b1ee-4a68-491d-b7e6-e5b0b5b2fa22_zpsbc193775.jpg)

Above photo: Taken from the Darrell Javier Hall run Discovery House (Formally DiscoveryCourse) website showing an individual receiving a Scientology "Way to Happiness" brochure. Dang Dude! You need to update that wedsite of yours.

Oh! That recent activities list you have up is what? 2 and 1/2 years old?? :-D^\^\
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on September 30, 2013, 10:46
On that note,a BIG SHOOT OUT to Darrell Javier Hall. Hows the narCONon of georgia housing situation treating you of late? :D >:D

I'm pretty sure you mean "SHOUT OUT" - they like to manufacture threats, you know.    ;)
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: mefree on September 30, 2013, 19:32
Darrell Hall looks exhausted in that photo.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: who me? on September 30, 2013, 21:37
So what does it mean when Whois page for Discovery House has the following:
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited

Expiration Date: 04-oct-2013
This was last updated 10-aug-2013.
http://who.godaddy.com/whoisregdata.aspx?k=IQ8eBhRtmibivkV%2f%2flehZ7SAMnny0kSgJ5anTUjdqfmNUCOZ9TMToNizBrQ7WSMJYrbOYYiT0u4%3d&domain=discovery-house.net&prog_id=GoDaddy
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: CoolHand on October 01, 2013, 15:00
Narconon is continuing to try and scrub the web to remove any mention of Narconon Georgia or Mary Rieser.  They're deleting pages, press releases, tags, entire sites, etc. all across their network.  Of course they'll miss some, and it is virtually impossible to scrub it completely away, but they're certainly spending some man hours to try and get rid of all the content.

Since I know they read this forum frequently.  I'll help them out - Hey guys, here is a domain you forgot drug-rehab-georgia[dot]org. 
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on October 01, 2013, 16:54
So what does it mean when Whois page for Discovery House has the following:
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited


The statuses indicate that the domain name is "locked" and cannot be deleted, renewed, transferred, or updated until they are "unlocked".  Unlocking requires the person who wants to change the domain info to provide an authorization code which they can only get from the registrar by logging into the registrar's site.  This is pretty normal these days. 

In the old days (80s to mid-late 90s), all domain changes were done via email, but since email address spoofing is trivial, a new method had to be adopted.  Do some searching on "domain name hijack" to see how exploitable the old method was.

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Expiration Date: 04-oct-2013
This was last updated 10-aug-2013.

Expiration date is self-explanatory.  The "This was last updated" shows the most recent date that changes were made, whether they were a renewal (probably not, given the expiration date), changes in hosting (DNS server changes), or email or address changes (administrative, technical, or billing contacts).  Sometimes you'll see "The database was last updated" and that refers to the whole registration database, not the particular domain name.

Domain name trivia:
sex.com is the highest priced domain name ever sold, at $14 million, in 2010.
There is hope, though, because toys.com sold for $5 million, in 2009.   :D

Most creative email address I've ever seen in use: up (at) 4.am
.am is the country code for Armenia.

Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on October 01, 2013, 16:59
Narconon is continuing to try and scrub the web to remove any mention of Narconon Georgia or Mary Rieser.  They're deleting pages, press releases, tags, entire sites, etc. all across their network.  Of course they'll miss some, and it is virtually impossible to scrub it completely away, but they're certainly spending some man hours to try and get rid of all the content.

Since I know they read this forum frequently.  I'll help them out - Hey guys, here is a domain you forgot drug-rehab-georgia[dot]org.

Hahaha!  I know of one too, but I'm not going to help them out. 

 /o:
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: who me? on October 01, 2013, 20:35
So what does it mean when Whois page for Discovery House has the following:......

Thanks for taking the time to explain. Much appreciated.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: source on October 01, 2013, 20:38
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Narconon is continuing to try and scrub the web to remove any mention of Narconon Georgia or Mary Rieser.  They're deleting pages, press releases, tags, entire sites, etc. all across their network.  Of course they'll miss some, and it is virtually impossible to scrub it completely away, but they're certainly spending some man hours to try and get rid of all the content.

Since I know they read this forum frequently.  I'll help them out - Hey guys, here is a domain you forgot drug-rehab-georgia[dot]org.

Which leaves only bad press remaining on the internet about Narconon Georgia. 

It's an interesting and revealing tactic however.  Scientologists aren't allowed to say anything negative about themselves or affiliates.  So, to avoid stating a negative truth if someone called the lines, they are going to burn the building down and hope no one inquires.

Must be hard to be a scientologist these days.  For such a bunch committed to confronting they sure do a lot of avoiding and "vias".

Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 02, 2013, 18:09
The toll free number from Discovery course 877) 647-7620 also lead to this site...
(http://discovertreatment.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/header-logo.png)
which seems to be running rehab services, with Darrell Hall as ED. There are professionals shown on here as well.. wonder if he's operating this aside from Narconon or this is just a front page to make them look legit?

http://discovertreatment.com/professionalsstaff/
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 02, 2013, 18:16

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Other facilities in the State:
Discovery Course Ltd.
Discovery Course Ltd. Discovery House

Duluth GA 30096
(877) 647-7620
Primary focus
General health
Services Provided
HalfWay house
Type of Care
Residential long-term treatment (more than 30 days)
http: //sober.com/directory/halfway+houses/georgia/duluth-page1.html

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Mr. Allen Shen
Wrong Allen Shen?
Intake Registrar
Narconon Of Georgia
Phone: (770) ***-****  HQ Phone
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Allen-Shen/1628162104

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Allen Shen is now a counselor at the Narconon treatment center he credits with saving his life.
...
Allen Shen, now an intake registrar at Narconon of Georgia, was once addicted to prescription drugs. In a recent interview by the Associated Press ( Watch the interview), Allen described the way his addiction started and the ease with which he was able to continue it, despite the fact that he was black listed at most of the local pharmacies. Allen began taking prescription pain pills for a back injury ten years ago. "I thought there was nothing wrong with it because the doctors were writing prescriptions and it was perfectly legal. But basically, what they were writing for me was pharmaceutical grade heroin," Mr. Shen stated.
 
http://youtu.be/MaWH8Bband4

 Chuck Myers
Ordained Pastor Discovery House
    Duluth, Georgia (Greater Atlanta Area)
    Religious Institutions
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After 26 years in the business world, I have received a greater calling! God has called me to be the Pastor of Discovery House in Duluth Georgia. It is a drug and alcohol rehabilitation facility.

I have had training in the church for many years and held many roles with many churches. I have recently received my Ordination and am very much enjoying my role serving God.

In Christ,

Chuck

Past

        Pastor at Drury's Chapel UMC
        Director of Outreach at Covenant United Methodist Church
        Vice President Sales and marketing professional at Creatives SA

        Sales Director at Brown-Forman
        Sales State Manager at Brown-Forman
        Executive at Brown-Forman Corporation
        Sales/Marketing Brand Business Director at CHUCK MYERS
        Sales & Marketing Director, New Brand Development East Region Americas; Brown at Brown-Forman Corporation
        Retail Manager at Central Wine Division
        Retail Director; Central Division Wines at Brown-Forman Corporation
        Sales Director, Strategic Brands at Brown- Forman Corporation
        Brown-Forman- Sales Director at Wines International
        Sales/Marketing Director - Canada at Brown-Forman International
        Merchandising Manager, State Manager, Territory Manager, District Manager at Brown-Forman Corp.
        Area Manager at Chicago Area, Brown-Forman Corporation
        Area Manager at Virginia Area, Brown-Forman Corporation

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/chuck-myers/25/240/2a7

Kind of scary!
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on October 02, 2013, 18:51
From the FAQ:
http://discovertreatment.com/frequently-asked-questions/

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Is Discovery House a licensed drug rehab program?

Discovery House is accredited by the Georgia Association Of Recovery Residences and hosts faith based and self help meetings on site.  The strength of our approach is the extended network of licensed programs and counselors we refer to, all while you are living in the comfort and safety of an accredited sober living facility.

In other words, NO.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: mefree on October 02, 2013, 18:58
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Retail Manager at Central Wine Division
        Retail Director; Central Division Wines at Brown-Forman Corporation
        Sales Director, Strategic Brands at Brown- Forman Corporation
        Brown-Forman- Sales Director at Wines International
        Sales/Marketing Director - Canada at Brown-Forman International
        Merchandising Manager, State Manager, Territory Manager, District Manager at Brown-Forman Corp.
        Area Manager at Chicago Area, Brown-Forman Corporation
        Area Manager at Virginia Area, Brown-Forman Corporation
http://www.brown-forman.com/brands/

Interesting background...

Darrell Hall is listed as Executive Director.
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/2847/ll6v.png)

http://sober.com/directory/eating+disorder+treatment+centers/georgia/discovery+course+ltd+1/enhancedprofile.html

http://prntscr.com/1uwzyk
http://prntscr.com/1ux05v

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Discovery House offers a long term residential recovery opportunity. Our goal is to comfortably and safely guide you through your recovery. Since recovery is not a one size fits all process, discovery house has developed unique relationships with various treatment providers in order to provide the best possible treatment options. We assess all residents for the need for ongoing treatment services and refer them to counseling and/or outpatient treatment services in the community. There are many options, please call an intake coordinator to see if we can help you find your path to recovery. Tai Chi and yoga used at Discovery House to support drug rehabilitation because it offers you another method of getting in touch with your inner, true self. The end result produced by Tai Chi and yoga is a mental and physical calmness, generated ina a completely natural way. They also help keep emotions more in balance, reducing the need to succumb to unhealthy coping techniques such as addiction. The ability to handle stress improves as does the sense of feeling more centered and grounded in order to handle life’s challenges. A combination of exercise and spa heat therapy in conjunction with safe vitamin and mineral supplements help our clients reduce cravings for drugs and alcohol and return to feeling calm, clear and centered. Supervised medically prescribed opiate taper program designed to reduce the withdrawal effects of abruptly stopping drug use. Certain prescription medications and alcohol may require inpatient detoxification during this phase.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on October 16, 2013, 07:28
Here's a photo of Narconon that I was sent, taken yesterday:

(http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/2013-10-15-NNGA.jpeg)

Compare to a photo from a similar angle, taken months ago:

(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/10/01/ab/1b/FLD_Brick_Bldg__Narcanon_H.jpg)

So the facade of being closed is one step closer to being complete.  Last time anyone I know checked, however, they are still listed in DCH's licensed facility database. 

We need to figure out where they're operating now, since Discovery has to be sending people somewhere for the sauna they advertise on their site.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: mefree on October 29, 2013, 21:19
I'm still finding Narconon of Georgia on Narconon International's website when you click on the link for additional details about the locations.

https://ixquick-proxy.com/do/spg/proxy?ep=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&epile=4q6n41784q7n45774q7n41774q5638304r6935725n586o3q&edata=d62deb3a6b95c559b344e4d5510038c9&ek=536n7037633034705n58317464315n5749306p6649315n51666q4669496n6o7965564r57626r553q&ekdata=2370768c254f0bde55585ee8548b40d5
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: SocialTransparency on October 30, 2013, 16:03
Here's a photo of Narconon that I was sent, taken yesterday:

(http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/2013-10-15-NNGA.jpeg)

Compare to a photo from a similar angle, taken months ago:

(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/img/photos/2012/10/01/ab/1b/FLD_Brick_Bldg__Narcanon_H.jpg)

So the facade of being closed is one step closer to being complete.  Last time anyone I know checked, however, they are still listed in DCH's licensed facility database. 

We need to figure out where they're operating now, since Discovery has to be sending people somewhere for the sauna they advertise on their site.


Boo!

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/FactsOnView/f30d0020-7f95-48f4-9f07-8d34d45945f7_zps0a8813bf.jpg)



(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/FactsOnView/524af1f8-ee51-4f20-bd87-ac5c826cacd1_zps6d4ab446.jpg)

 ;D
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Narconon of Georgia—The Narconon Georgia program is an outpatient facility located in Norcross, Georgia. The founder, Mary Rieser helps each student to develop their own sense of ethics and personal responsibility to aid in their recovery.
;D

LOL!

 
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: who me? on October 30, 2013, 19:07
From the FAQ:
http://discovertreatment.com/frequently-asked-questions/

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Is Discovery House a licensed drug rehab program?

Discovery House is accredited by the Georgia Association Of Recovery Residences and hosts faith based and self help meetings on site.  The strength of our approach is the extended network of licensed programs and counselors we refer to, all while you are living in the comfort and safety of an accredited sober living facility.

In other words, NO.

According to the GARR membership standards (standards and application: http://www.garronline.org/GARR%20standards%202011.pdf):

"Licensure Notice
Any facility using the term “treatment” in written or verbal program descriptions or those otherwise claims to be a drug abuse education or treatment program must be licensed by the Georgia Department of Community Health’s Office of Facility Regulation. See
http://dch.georgia.gov/00/channel_title/0,2094,31446711_144097918,00.html.
GARR membership, while providing good preparation for licensure, is not sufficient for this purpose."

Included in this document is the GARR Standards Compliance Checklist that states:
"Submit this checklist with the GARR Member Application to initiate the approval process."
 and one of the things to check is:
"State licenses, certificates of compliance and other required documents are visible for public view"

The options are "Meets", "Non-Profit Compliant", "Does not meet", "NA"...
"Non-Profit Compliant">wtf?
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on November 01, 2013, 23:14
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/FactsOnView/524af1f8-ee51-4f20-bd87-ac5c826cacd1_zps6d4ab446.jpg)

I think I'd be more at ease with seeing the sign in the dumpster.   ooo:/

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Narconon of Georgia—The Narconon Georgia program is an outpatient facility located in Norcross, Georgia. The founder, Mary Rieser helps each student to develop their own sense of ethics and personal responsibility to aid in their recovery.

Ahhh, yup.  I remember wondering a while back if Mary Rieser's "ethical" method of handling her own personal life was relevant to our criticism of Narconon, and deciding that since she was the self-proclaimed instructor of substance abusers in how to lead a good and ethical life, that yes, it was relevant. 
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: SocialTransparency on November 02, 2013, 22:21
(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/FactsOnView/524af1f8-ee51-4f20-bd87-ac5c826cacd1_zps6d4ab446.jpg)

I think I'd be more at ease with seeing the sign in the dumpster.   ooo:/

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Narconon of Georgia—The Narconon Georgia program is an outpatient facility located in Norcross, Georgia. The founder, Mary Rieser helps each student to develop their own sense of ethics and personal responsibility to aid in their recovery.

Ahhh, yup.  I remember wondering a while back if Mary Rieser's "ethical" method of handling her own personal life was relevant to our criticism of Narconon, and deciding that since she was the self-proclaimed instructor of substance abusers in how to lead a good and ethical life, that yes, it was relevant.


I think the signs current location behind a scrub leaning against an empty building is both a monument and testament to Mary Rieser,s failures.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on November 05, 2013, 09:04
I think the signs current location behind a scrub leaning against an empty building is both a monument and testament to Mary Rieser,s failures.

And Narconon's failures.  I gotta say, it does give me some pleasure to see it sitting there rotting. 

Like scientology.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ghostfires on November 07, 2013, 21:46
So.. is Discovery House being run out of the same facility that was once NNGA and the housing for Discovery House is off property of the facility at those apartments?

The program for Discovery House sounds a lot better than Narconon. I've been to NNLA and NNAH and although I'm not totally about Narconon, I do stand by the Sauna.


I'm asking because I've been talking to Discovery House about going there for treatment but I'm a little confused as to what's going on with all of this. How long has NNGA been shut down, and how long has Discovery House been operational? Are the apartments at the same site as the facility? Do the guys and girls live in the same apartment complex?
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: mefree on November 08, 2013, 00:45
So.. is Discovery House being run out of the same facility that was once NNGA and the housing for Discovery House is off property of the facility at those apartments?

The program for Discovery House sounds a lot better than Narconon. I've been to NNLA and NNAH and although I'm not totally about Narconon, I do stand by the Sauna.


I'm asking because I've been talking to Discovery House about going there for treatment but I'm a little confused as to what's going on with all of this. How long has NNGA been shut down, and how long has Discovery House been operational? Are the apartments at the same site as the facility? Do the guys and girls live in the same apartment complex?

I'm not sure we have all of the answers you want. The last we knew Darrell Hall was still involved with the apartments at Discovery House.

"Sounds a lot better" may not be the best basis for making a decision. Please do your homework. Take a look at Narconon Reviews (http://Narconon Reviews). There's an article there on How to Choose a Rehab (http://narcononreviews.net/resources/for-potential-clients/how-to-choose-a-drug-or-alcohol-rehab/) and Researching a Rehab Facility (http://narcononreviews.net/resources/for-potential-clients/how-to-choose-a-drug-or-alcohol-rehab/researching-a-rehab-facility/)
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on November 08, 2013, 00:55
So.. is Discovery House being run out of the same facility that was once NNGA and the housing for Discovery House is off property of the facility at those apartments?

The program for Discovery House sounds a lot better than Narconon. I've been to NNLA and NNAH and although I'm not totally about Narconon, I do stand by the Sauna.


I'm asking because I've been talking to Discovery House about going there for treatment but I'm a little confused as to what's going on with all of this. How long has NNGA been shut down, and how long has Discovery House been operational? Are the apartments at the same site as the facility? Do the guys and girls live in the same apartment complex?

Hi ghostfires, and welcome to TP.

Narconon of Georgia had their license formally revoked late last year, but they appealed the revocation, which allowed them to stay open and operate while the appeal was in process.  The original reason their license was revoked was they were only licensed for outpatient treatment, but they were operating as a residential treatment program, and representing themselves as such to potential clients and a drug court judge (or two, three, etc.).  The illegal housing part was operated out of a separate location, at Berkeley Landing Apartments, and was called Discovery Course, run by Darrell Hall. 

That appeal process came to an end when they cut a "non-prosecution" deal with the State of Georgia around August/September of this year.  They were involved in insurance and credit card fraud, had been raided by the County's District Attorney and the State Insurance Commissioner, and they agreed to surrender their rehab license instead of the facility being prosecuted for these things. 

The actual Narconon location (that was licensed as an outpatient facility) was a few miles away from the apartments, at 5688 Peachtree Parkway.

Discovery House seems to have opened during the appeal, that is, sometime earlier this year.  I think the apartments for Discovery House are in the same complex (if not actually the same apartments), but realize that I don't have an inside track and they're not exactly coming to us offering information.   :D  Discovery House is also operated by Darrell Hall.  I have no reason to believe that Discovery House is being operated much differently than Discovery Course was, and that would mean that the guys and girls do live in the same complex, although (we think) not in the same apartment.

Some suspect that Discovery House may be nothing more than another attempt to skirt the law and still operate the Narconon program, but under a different name, off the radar.

All of the Narconons operate in essentially the same way, although I'm certain there are differences in the details, due to different people running each facility.  I'm curious, though, if Narconon Arrowhead and Narconon Louisiana didn't work for you, why would you think another Narconon or Narconon-Clone would work?

My suggestion would be to try something different, try a facility that is properly licensed and abides by the law.  Someone who is trying to get off drugs doesn't need the additional drama that comes along with the facility itself acting illegally.  Rehab has drama aplenty, just on its own.  Just imagine how unsettling it must have been for any clients who were there, just trying to do their rehab and get off drugs, when the police raid took place.   (OoO)
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/investigators-raid-narconon-georgia/nXYzJ/

Here's a longer video of the local news station's coverage over time: http://vimeo.com/69325667

There are some suggestions for finding a good facility here: http://narcononreviews.net/resources/for-potential-clients/how-to-choose-a-drug-or-alcohol-rehab/

Good luck to you.  I hope whatever you choose, it works out for you.   :)
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ghostfires on November 09, 2013, 21:51
Thanks for the response. From Talking to the people at Discovery House I can tell it's definitely not a Narconon operating under a different name - reason number one being that they employ a psychiatrist/psychologist. NN and SCN would never allow that, lmao.

Apparently there's 3 different routes you can take at DH. 12-step, faith-based, and eastern philosophy. Along with 1-on-1 counseling with the psych-man, and support group stuff. This is all foreign to me coming from going thru 2 different NN's, as well as working at NNLA for a long time. I wouldn't be completely against going back to a NN - they didn't work for me because I never worked the tech outside of NN... Maybe. Who knows.

I'm heading to Discovery House tomorrow... I'll let you guys know what I find.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: who me? on November 10, 2013, 01:24
I hope you find the help you need, and suggest you exercise caution.

On their website (http://discovertreatment.com/professionalsstaff/), they list the following independent service providers which make it appear they have multiple treatment options:

>Max Fried, Doctor of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine who also has a masters in psychology.
>Dana Kuebler, Naturopath and a Nationally Certified Masters Addiction Counselor
>Scott Maddox, Assessment Services, J. Scott Maddox is a Licensed Professional Counselor, State and Nationally Certified Addiction Counselor and a Certified Clinical Supervisor.

However, the following disclaimer "These Services are available by referral and are not provided by Discovery House.  Their appearance here does not represent an endorsement or affiliation." makes me very suspicious of a bait-and-switch type scheme.

I am just hoping you do not get taken advantage of, and get the help you are seeking.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 10, 2013, 09:18
Discovery House is a sober living program, not a rehab. They are not licensed to provide any rehab services. http://167.193.144.216/facsearch.asp

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Sober Living Facilities

    As this type of residence does not conduct treatment onsite, state or local licensing or zoning regulations do not apply. Although some impose curfews, sober living facilities endeavor to assist addicts in their transition from rehabilitation facilities to an alcohol and drug-free way of life. As the ADA classifies alcoholics/drug addicts as persons with a disability, any zoning issues used to discriminate against a sober living facility should be investigated.

Read more: http://www.ehow.com/list_7210656_laws-halfway-housing-georgia.html#ixzz2kFfs9QpH

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G ◆ A ◆ R ◆ R
Georgia Association
of
Recovery Residences
CONTACT INFORMATION
AND
MEMBERS LIST
Please send written correspondence to:
G.A.R.R.
5456 Peachtree Boulevard
Suite 415
Atlanta, Georgia 30341-2235
or call
(404) 719-1218
GARR is Committed to Setting the Standard for Quality Recovery Residence
Services in Georgia.
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Atlanta, GA (Metropolitan Area) (con’t.)
Discovery Course Ltd.
Discovery House
2310 Summerchase Drive
Duluth, GA 30096
(770) 559-0550
(770) 234-4154 [FAX]
Web Address: http:// www. discoverycourse .com
E-Mail: DARRELL.J.Hall@gmail.com
Population Served: Male and Femail
Contacts: Darrell Hall, Director

Halfway Houses in Georgia
http://sober.com/directory/halfway+houses/georgia/page2.html
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: mefree on November 10, 2013, 09:23
What Discovery House is doing by claiming to offer these "independent" services reminds me of Best Drug Rehab. Whether any of those services is actually provided, or at least on any type of schedule, may be another story. One Christian BDR client was allegedly promised transportation to a local church while he was at BDR. It didn't quite turn out as he expected.

Read his story here: http://narcononreviews.net/informal-complaints/man-says-his-civil-liberties-were-violated-at-best-drug-rehab/

If you go to Discovery House, for your sake, I hope the situation is different. Just knowing there is a connection to Narconon of Georgia would be enough for me to stay away.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Mary_McConnell on November 10, 2013, 09:33
So.. is Discovery House being run out of the same facility that was once NNGA and the housing for Discovery House is off property of the facility at those apartments?

The program for Discovery House sounds a lot better than Narconon. I've been to NNLA and NNAH and although I'm not totally about Narconon, I do stand by the Sauna.


I'm asking because I've been talking to Discovery House about going there for treatment but I'm a little confused as to what's going on with all of this. How long has NNGA been shut down, and how long has Discovery House been operational? Are the apartments at the same site as the facility? Do the guys and girls live in the same apartment complex?

If they tell you they are a rehab program, they are lying to you. They are supposed to only be an aftercare sober living home, where people already done with inpatient rehab go to help support addicts and alcoholics reenter society. All services they refer you to are supposed to be maintenance programs.

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Mission

Discovery House is a recovery residence for those participating in drug treatment or who have recently graduated from treatment and are entering back into the work force.

We provide specific services that can complement ongoing drug treatment and prepare the client for the eventual return to life.  Our clients learn to live life again by participating in group recreational activities and their own day to day life functions such as shopping and cooking.    They learn to help each other and to receive help in return – all as part of the therapeutic community.
http:// discovery-house .net /mission/
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on November 11, 2013, 11:31
Thanks for the response.

You're welcome.

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From Talking to the people at Discovery House I can tell it's definitely not a Narconon operating under a different name - reason number one being that they employ a psychiatrist/psychologist. NN and SCN would never allow that, lmao.

My opinion is that they would employ whoever they needed to, in order to meet the perceived requirements.  But that's ok; we can have differences of opinion.

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Apparently there's 3 different routes you can take at DH. 12-step, faith-based, and eastern philosophy. Along with 1-on-1 counseling with the psych-man, and support group stuff. This is all foreign to me coming from going thru 2 different NN's, as well as working at NNLA for a long time. I wouldn't be completely against going back to a NN - they didn't work for me because I never worked the tech outside of NN... Maybe. Who knows.

I'm heading to Discovery House tomorrow... I'll let you guys know what I find.

Thank you.  We'll be interested in hearing what you find. 
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Witnessman on November 14, 2013, 23:12
As for the so-called independent services being suggested by Discovery House, I have some level of familiarity with rather infamous Dr. Max Fried.  I will just say he is, I believe, rightly regarded at a crackpot level numerous rungs down the meter of professional respectability occupied by NNGA's utterly clueless purported Medical Director, Dr. Lisa Robbins. 

No specific comment on the others, but would suggest none is really needed.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Witnessman on November 14, 2013, 23:21
I'm also wondering about what faith exactly is Discovery House's "faith based" on site meetings supposedly premised and whether such involves  any jabbering at ash trays.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on November 15, 2013, 11:10
Thanks for the response. From Talking to the people at Discovery House I can tell it's definitely not a Narconon operating under a different name - reason number one being that they employ a psychiatrist/psychologist. NN and SCN would never allow that, lmao.

Looking back over the Staff page at hxxp://discovertreatment.com/professionalsstaff/ , I don't see where they employ a psychiatrist or psychologist.  I see where they have a staff member, Shawn Gorman, Program Coordinator, whose bio says he majored in psychology and political science.  A major in psychology does not make someone a psychologist, and I wonder if this is being misrepresented to potential clients who contact Discovery House.

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Shawn is a graduate of The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where he majored in Psychology and Political Science.  He is the father of two children, ---- and ----, who are the lights of his life.  He is Y-200 certified in Ashtanga Yoga, and is currently nearing completion as a CADC ll Addiction Counselor and an Advanced EMT.  He enjoys helping others go through the healing process of recovering from addictions and traumatic life events through teaching self worth and the balance of mind, body and spirit.


One of the "off-site independant (sic) service providers", Dana Kuebler, "Naturopath and a Nationally Certified Masters Addiction Counselor", and the owner and founder of Body Cleanse Intensive, is on the list of people who may have discoverable information in the class action lawsuit against Narconon.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/157592269/Burgess-Plaintiffs-Initial-Disclosures

She also follows Mary Rieser on Twitter, although her last tweet was in September 2010 (hmmm, not long after the Desmond case was filed): https://twitter.com/GreatCleanse/following
Humorously for those who've read some of the depositions from the Desmond case, Mary Rieser's one and only tweet from her account is from June 29, 2009:
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Don - you should have money in your account today.

 :D
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on November 15, 2013, 11:35
I'm also wondering about what faith exactly is Discovery House's "faith based" on site meetings supposedly premised and whether such involves  any jabbering at ash trays.

Sounds like it might:
http://discovertreatment.com/addiction-counseling/
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The goal of any counseling is to identify the underlying causes of your addiction and help you to handle those issues in order to prevent relapse.  This integrated approach to relapse prevention allows you to not only stop using drugs but to stay off drugs permanently.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Witnessman on November 19, 2013, 15:22
... I have some level of familiarity with rather infamous Dr. Max Fried.  ...


I need to correct myself.  I have no familiarity with Dr. Max Fried.  I had some familiarity in the past with his father, Milton Fried, M.D.  It seems the younger Dr. Fried is a duly licensed Acupuncturist, who holds a DAOM degree.  Interestingly, on his website, he discusses his dad as follows:

 
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In 2004, when he returned to Georgia, he began practicing with his father, Milton Fried, M.D. Milton Fried was the physician who brought alternative medicine to Georgia many years ago and took many arrows because of it. In addition to his MD degree he had degrees as a Physical Therapist, a DC, an Osteopath, and a Homeopath. Together, they cared for many of the hard patients, often the ones that the conventional doctors could not help. They dealt with cancer patients, stroke patients, MS patients, lupus, diabetics, cardiac and respiratory patients as well as the usual patients one sees in a family practice. The years he spent working with his father were an invaluable experience because he was able to gain an understanding of sickness, health and healing from the Western paradigm as related to his Oriental paradigm.

http://maxupuncture.com/dr_max_fried.html

I could have just missed it, but I didn't see any description of his expertise in addiction medicine.

 
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on November 20, 2013, 12:58
One of the "off-site independant (sic) service providers", Dana Kuebler, "Naturopath and a Nationally Certified Masters Addiction Counselor", and the owner and founder of Body Cleanse Intensive, is on the list of people who may have discoverable information in the class action lawsuit against Narconon.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/157592269/Burgess-Plaintiffs-Initial-Disclosures

Dana Kuebler is also noted as a "Counselor /Therapist/Social Worker (certified or licensed)" for 2007 and 2008 for Narconon of Georgia, in this document:
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs4thInterrogatories.pdf

Seems Discovery House has many of the same players as NNGa; it just has a different name...
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Witnessman on November 20, 2013, 20:58
How very not surprising whatsoever!

Am I correct that when the illegal housing operation at One Sovereign Place was shut down immediately after the death of Patrick Desmond, all the male patients were moved to the Berkeley Landing Apartments in Duluth and the same operation has been there ever in whatever form under whatever name ever since?

And for how long has Darrell Hall been in charge of it?
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: mefree on November 20, 2013, 21:21
Listed as CEO for Discovery Course going back to 2010, at least.
http://soskb.sos.state.ga.us/imaging/18051477.pdf

Providing transport between apartments and NNGA back to 2007-2008
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/10A28641/10A28641-2-2012-04-17-NNGAsResponsesAndObjectionsToPlaintiffs3rdInterrogatories.pdf

I'm sure ethercat has more info.

Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: Witnessman on November 20, 2013, 22:55
Excellent catch as to Response to Third Interrogatories No. 1.  Note also, however, that Response No. 6 discloses that female students were at Berkeley Landing in 2007-2008 which raises the possibility Hall was running that operation way back then.
Title: Re: Narconon international refers to Narconon of georgia as an inpatient program
Post by: ethercat on January 15, 2015, 09:30
Thanks for the response. From Talking to the people at Discovery House I can tell it's definitely not a Narconon operating under a different name - reason number one being that they employ a psychiatrist/psychologist. NN and SCN would never allow that, lmao.

Apparently there's 3 different routes you can take at DH. 12-step, faith-based, and eastern philosophy. Along with 1-on-1 counseling with the psych-man, and support group stuff. This is all foreign to me coming from going thru 2 different NN's, as well as working at NNLA for a long time. I wouldn't be completely against going back to a NN - they didn't work for me because I never worked the tech outside of NN... Maybe. Who knows.

I'm heading to Discovery House tomorrow... I'll let you guys know what I find.

ghostfires, did you make it out alive?