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« Reply #60 on: August 18, 2012, 10:07 »
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five-page complaint
tells it all!  The sauna headaches, staffs' handling of this persons concerns ... wow!
I wonder what they were doing for 3 hours before calling 911?  Gee, where have we heard of that behavior before?

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« Reply #61 on: August 18, 2012, 10:47 »
I'm glad people are filing these complaints - maybe they have been filing them all along, and nothing's been done, all along.   :(

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« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2012, 12:21 »
It's so sad. I can see Narconon telling the state the same thing they tell the parents - that it just an addict talking. Same con works with the elderly. Who's going to believe an addict or an old senile person, especially if they have no advocates. I am biting my tongue at this point.

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« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2012, 12:24 »
I'm glad people are filing these complaints - maybe they have been filing them all along, and nothing's been done, all along.   :(

That seems to be the case ethercat, although many people aren't aware that complaints can be filed with the state agencies, their health plan, the FTC, etc.
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« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2012, 12:29 »
It's so sad. I can see Narconon telling the state the same thing they tell the parents - that it just an addict talking. Same con works with the elderly. Who's going to believe an addict or an old senile person, especially if they have no advocates. I am biting my tongue at this point.

Don't bite your tongue, lol!  Go post comments on the many articles and videos being published about the situation. 

Here is a link to current articles in the news
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=Narconon+death&oq=Narconon+death&gs_l=news-cc.12..43j0j43i400.11188.16563.0.18641.14.2.0.10.10.0.313.625.3-2.2.0...0.0...1ac.2PgEBTPnp_I#q=Narconon+death&hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=sbd:1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=CsIvUK3yE-b10gHt04H4Dw&ved=0CF4QpwUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=9e8af424d083e690&biw=1024&bih=562

Here is a new video taken from FOX 25 OKC's Marisa Mendelson report last nite. Includes interview with Senator Ivester

August 17, 2012 - Narconon Arrowhead Legislation Planned

After four deaths linked to a drug treatment facility with ties to the Church of Scientology, a Senator plans to take action. Fox 25 first told you about Narconon Arrowhead in May. Now the facility has inspired a Senator to draft legislation. The center, which is based in the town of Canadian, has also sparked national interest.

Senator Tom Ivester says he plans to work with officials at the Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services to author legislation
http://youtu.be/93U9Q0312U8
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« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2012, 12:31 »
I think the Senator needs to be careful to craft that legislation to apply to ALL substance abuse rehab facilities. If it's only focused on narCONon they'll tie it up in court forever.
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« Reply #66 on: August 18, 2012, 12:37 »

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« Reply #67 on: August 20, 2012, 13:31 »
New evidence emerges in Narconon Arrowhead Deaths Investigation - McAlester News Capital
 By Jeanne LeFlore Staff Writer

McALESTER — An attorney for the families of two people found dead at Narconon Arrowhead says he’s found items listed on an autopsy report that should be part of the investigation including a ‘pillow with a substance on it.’ “It would be my thought that the investigators would be chasing down these items,” said Tulsa Attorney Gary Richardson.

Richardson, a former United States Attorney and a former Tulsa District Attorney, said he’s representing the families of Stacy Dawn Murphy and Gabriel Graves.

http://mcalesternews.com/breakingnews/x543535059/New-item-in-Narconon-death-investigation-Pillow-with-substance-on-it
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« Reply #68 on: August 20, 2012, 21:12 »
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Former Narconon Arrowhead President Speaks About Deaths - KOKH FOX 25

After three deaths within a nine month period at an Oklahoma drug treatment program, the former President of Narconon Arrowhead is speaking out for the first time about why he says he left the facility and the Chuch of Scientology. Lucas Catton was President of Narconon Arrowhead around two years. He says he worked at the facility for five years after completing the drug treatment program.

Catton says the courses that are taught at the Narconon Arrowhead drug rehab facility are similar to the courses that are taught in the Church of Scientology. Although Catton does not believe the facility should be shut down, he does think it should be forced into compliance. He also believes Narconon Arrowhead should be more open about its ties to the Church of Scientology.

Catton says most patients (who are called "students") arrive at Narconon Arrowhead, not knowing it is affiliated with the Chuch of Scientology.....

....Fox 25 will have much more on this story tonight on the Fox 25 Primetime News at Nine.
 
more at http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_6359.shtml
Response from Gary Smith: http://www.okcfox.com//newsroom/features/files/NNAH%20OPEN%20LETTER082012.pdf


I wonder how long Dr. Wootan has been a member of ASAM? His profile was updated as of 7/19/2012. He is not ASAM or ABAM certified, according to the ASAM site.
https://community.asam.org/members/default.asp?id=12481771
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« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2012, 02:35 »

Response from Gary Smith: http://www.okcfox.com//newsroom/features/files/NNAH%20OPEN%20LETTER082012.pdf

I wonder how long Dr. Wootan has been a member of ASAM? His profile was updated as of 7/19/2012. He is not ASAM or ABAM certified, according to the ASAM site.
https://community.asam.org/members/default.asp?id=12481771

I wandered the web searching info related to Gary Smith's claims in his response which listed the types of "professional" staff at the NN facility. This has been looked into many times, but I thought Gary's written statements presented an opportunity to re-visit these issues. This may need to be another thread because there is a lot of info.

This is what I ran into:

a. 1 Medical Director, Licensed Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine. He is a member of the American Society of Addiction Medicine. Board Certified Family Practice – American College of Osteopathic Family Physicians and FDA Certification for Outpatient Opiate Addiction Treatment.
You would think Gary would know the proper terminology if he has so much experience in the field of addiction treatment or would have at least taken care to state his claims correctly: The FDA does not certify doctors or facilities for outpatient opiate addiction, SAMHSA does. And although Dr Wootan is certified as an opioid treatment physician, how is this relevant to NN’s non medical treatment program?
FDA approved the drug Buprenorphine for treatment of opioid addiction.

b. 7 full time LPN’s. This exceeds state requirements for nursing staff for non medical detox or residential treatment services. LPNs would be Licensed Practical Nurse and licensed by the OK Board of Nursing and easily looked up if there were names.
Vlad Chepurko, Medical Liason Officer was the only "medical staff" I could find; and is not an LPN licensed by OK Board of Nursing)
Although the list of employees only goes thru 2008 I do not see any nurses: http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s.php?ntt=38

Lucas Catton may shed some light on the professional certifications used for staff as well.

c. 3 LADC’s (Licensed Alcohol and Drug Counselors) with ICAADC (International Certified Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor) certification.
d. 2 CADC’s (Certified Alcohol and Drug Counselors) with ICADC (International Certified Alcohol and Drug Counselor) certification.

It is hard to believe this type of professional really works there when the program has to be contrary to their ethics and other training.
From http://internationalcredentialing.org/professionals
Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor (AADC)
To be eligible for reciprocity to other IC&RC jurisdictions, credentials obtained through Member Boards must meet the following IC&RC minimum standards:
Experience: 2000 hours of supervised ADC-specific work experience.
Education: Master's Degree in behavioral science with a clinical application from a regionally accredited college or university within the United States or colleges and universities outside the United States plus 180 hours of ADC-specific education. Six hours must be specific to counselor ethics.
Supervision: 300 hours specific to the domains, with a minimum of ten hours in each core function area.
Examination: Applicants must pass the IC&RC International Written AADC Examination.
Code of Ethics: Applicants must sign a code of ethics statement or affirmation statement.
Recertification: 40 hours of continuing education earned every two years.
IC&RC credentials can only be obtained by meeting the requirements of the local Member Board where you live or work at least 51 percent of the time. The application process and specific requirements varies for each jurisdiction, so professionals seeking credentialing must contact the local board.

Alcohol and Drug Counselor (ADC)
To be eligible for reciprocity to other IC&RC jurisdictions, credentials obtained through Member Boards must meet the following IC&RC minimum standards:
Experience: 6000 hours of supervised work experience specific to the ADC domains. An associate’s degree in behavioral science may substitute for 1000 hours; a bachelor’s degree in behavioral science may substitute for 2000 hours; a master’s degree in behavioral science may substitute for 4000 hours.
Education: 270 hours specific to the domains. Six hours must be specific to counselor ethics.
Supervision: 300 hours specific to the domains, which include the 12 core functions and TAP 21 Competencies with a minimum of ten hours in each core function area.
Examination: Applicants must pass the IC&RC International Written ADC Examination.
Code of Ethics: Applicants must sign a code of ethics statement or affirmation statement.
Recertification: 40 hours of continuing education earned every two years.
IC&RC credentials can only be obtained by meeting the requirements of the local Member Board where you live or work at least 51 percent of the time. The application process and specific requirements varies for each jurisdiction, so professionals seeking credentialing must contact the local board.

OK Local board:
Member details
Oklahoma Drug & Alcohol Professional Counselor Certification Board
Member profile details
Membership level: Certification Board
Basic Information
Organization: Oklahoma Drug & Alcohol Professional Counselor Certification Board
Phone Number: 405-793-1545
Fax Number: 405-794-6797
Member Board Information
Jurisdiction: Oklahoma
Credential Information
IC&RC Credentials Offered:
      Alcohol and Drug Counselor (ADC)
      Advanced Alcohol and Drug Counselor (AADC)
      Clinical Supervisor (CS)
      Prevention Specialist (PS)
      Certified Criminal Justice Addictions Professional (CCJP)
ADC Acronym: CADC
AADC Acronym: LADC
CS Acronym: CCS
PS Acronym: CPS
CCJP Acronym: CCJP
Contact Information
Mailing Address: 9301 South I-35
City: Moore
State/Province: OK
Postal Code: 73160

e. 20 CCDC’s (Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor, Certified through the National Association of Forensic Counselors and The National Board of Addiction Examiners)
There is a nice thread on the bogus Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor and the 2010 tax returns at WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/narconon-of-oklahoma-inc-2010-irs-990-tax-returns.104444/ and http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=12634

Some of the staff that claim to be Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor:
  Gary W. Smith, CCDCExecutive Director
  Michael J. Gosselin, CCDC Deputy Executive Director
  Kathy Gosselin, CCDC Senior Director for Production
  Ryan Thorpe, CCDC Senior Director for Expansion
  Michael St Amand, CCDC Director of Legal Affairs

The forms for Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor, Certified through the National Association of Forensic Counselors http://www.nationalafc.com/images/file/NAFCAppA.pdf stat CCDC- Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor (No Masters Degree)
"This certification is issued in those states that allow those with less than a Masters Degree to practice addiction counseling. This certification requires that you have an active state license in your profession with no violations, meet all the requirements for training, supervision, and the passing of the certification examination."
And
"Further Requirements
3). Copy of your degree and state license/certification attached to completed application.
4). Have no reprimands or suspensions of your state license or state certification."

The above people are not certified by the state, but I cannot find a way to check and see if these people are actually certified by the National Association of Forensic Counselors and The National Board of Addiction Examiners.

OK http://www.okdrugcounselors.org/laws.php has licensing and certification requirements: “any person wishing to practice alcohol and drug counseling in this state shall obtain a certificate or license to practice pursuant to the provisions of the Licensed Alcohol and Drug Counselors Act. This includes at minimum a bachelor’s degree in a behavior science field that is recognized by the Oklahoma Board of Licensed …….

Except 59, section 1872: These are the exemptions to the law, and the people in these categories cannot use the title licensed alcohol and drug counselor:
 Physicians etc with other professional licenses
 Members of the clergy?
 Person who provides a prepared curriculum of life skills education and training that is designed to be self taught and does not provide individual, group or family counseling.

f. 5 CBHCM’s (Certified Behavioral Health Case Managers)
Did not get this far

g. 2 ODMHSAS trained ASI (Addiction Severity Index) Interviewers.
THe state would have records of who did this training.

h. 4 ODMHSAS trained RSS’s (Recovery Support Specialist)
THe state would have records of who did this training.

I do not know if the truth about these claims would be of interest to the attorneys of the victims families or to the senator who is looking into potential legislation regarding rehab facilities.
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« Reply #70 on: August 24, 2012, 20:53 »
The CCDC issue isn't what's required by OK. It's that Gary W. Smith keeps pushing it to the state, the public, and the press as part of trying to prove what a great place narCONon Arrowhead is. I'm saying it's time he was 'called' on it, as everything I'm finding tells me it's not worth the paper it's printed on.

Oh! In between some other things going on, I am working on an FTC complaint about those circular self refering/mutually endorsing NAFC/NBAE/AACFC/FTI web pages.
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Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2012, 18:45 »
August 27, 2012
Yet another Narconon lawsuit under way

By Rachel Petersen Staff Writer

[..]
"The deaths have also gained the attention of local, state and federal law enforcement agencies. Pittsburg County Sheriff Joel Kerns told the News-Capital on Monday that his office has completed its recent investigation.

“Our investigation is complete,” Kerns said. “And the final report was turned over to the DA on Friday and the DA’s office will determine if any charges are to be filed — criminally or in terms of negligence.”

Also on Monday, the News-Capital spoke with District 18 First Assistant District Attorney Richard Hull. “I am waiting for the medical examiner’s report and the toxicology lab report before I make any determination on whether or not charges are to be filed,” Hull said.

The civil lawsuit was filed Aug. 23 on behalf of Hillary Holten by the attorney for her parents, Matthew and Suzan Holten. The lawsuit alleges that Narconon did not provide adequate medical care for Hillary Holten while she was a patient at the facility and that she died as a result of Narconon’s negligence.

On March 31, Hillary Holten “was admitted to the Baylor Medical Center at Carrollton, Texas, for numerous health related issues,” the lawsuit states. During her stay at Baylor, Hillary Holten tested positive for drugs, according to the lawsuit.

Matthew and Suzan Holten “began searching for a rehabilitation center in the hopes that she could obtain treatment for drug issues,” the lawsuit states.

In their search for a drug rehabilitation center, Hillary Holten’s parents came in contact with Narconon Arrowhead. The Holtens informed representatives from Narconon that their daughter “had a history of Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia, a condition which required the daily administration of Dexamethasone and in extreme circumstances, an injection of liquid cortisone,” the lawsuit states.

Representatives from Narconon allegedly informed the Holtens that the facility had “adequate staff, including RN’s and a Medical Director, who could properly manage Hillary’s serious medical condition,” the lawsuit continues.

On April 9, Hillary Holten was transported from the Baylor Medical Center to Narconon Arrowhead in Canadian. “After her arrival, Plaintiffs (the Holtens) received an email from Defendants (Narconon) promising they would ‘take good care’ of Hillary, and that she was ‘very blessed’ to have” them as parents, the lawsuit alleges.

On April 11, just two days after being admitted into Narconon for drug treatment, Hillary Holten died, the lawsuit states."
http://mcalesternews.com/local/x252487212/Yet-another-Narconon-lawsuit-under-way
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Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2012, 19:17 »
I love this woman. Thank you Shirley Graves Gilliam for doing this interview. Must see by all, especially by parents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48kVMESwhCs
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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2012, 21:12 »
I love this woman. Thank you Shirley Graves Gilliam for doing this interview. Must see by all, especially by parents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48kVMESwhCs

She is incredible! Thanks for posting.
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Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2012, 19:06 »
The families and estates of Gabriel Graves and Stacy Dawn Murphy are filing lawsuits next week.
 
September 28, 2012
Deaths at Narconon Arrowhead spur two more lawsuits

By Jeanne LeFlore Staff Writer

McALESTER — An attorney for the families of two patients found dead at Narconon Arrowhead says lawsuits against the facility could be filed next week. Meanwhile, officials await autopsy reports in an investigation into four known deaths tied to the Scientology-based facility.Narconon Arrowhead is a national nonprofit drug and alcohol rehabilitation center in Canadian.
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http://mcalesternews.com/policecourts/x1241986757/Deaths-at-Narconon-Arrowhead-spur-two-more-lawsuits
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Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2012, 22:43 »
Story on Narconon Arrowhead coming up!
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/live/

"Back in May, Fox 25 was the first station to tell you about deaths at Narconon Arrowhead. Since then, a criminal investigation has been launched into the facility, lawmakers have announced plans for legislation and the story has even made national headlines. We spoke with one of the agencies that's investigating Narconon Arrowhead."
KOKH FOX 25 :: Top Stories -
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_8229.shtml
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Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2012, 22:58 »
Story on Narconon Arrowhead coming up!
http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/live/

"Back in May, Fox 25 was the first station to tell you about deaths at Narconon Arrowhead. Since then, a criminal investigation has been launched into the facility, lawmakers have announced plans for legislation and the story has even made national headlines. We spoke with one of the agencies that's investigating Narconon Arrowhead."
KOKH FOX 25 :: Top Stories -
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http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_8229.shtml
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Narconon Arrowhead has refused our requests for interviews several times. But in statement, CEO Gary Smith said, "We are proud of the fact that Narconon has enjoyed and looks forward to the continued support of the Church of Scientology and its members." Smith added, "Narconon's treatment approach is based on the secularized version of the writing of the founder of the Scientology religion, L. Ron Hubbard."
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Re: Narconon Oklahoma Multiple Deaths
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2012, 23:25 »
Couple thoughts here, after reading the transcripts of the OKC Fox 25 two-part series tonight.

The first was how cold Smith came across in this written response to the deaths under his watch: "...Narconon was not in any way responsible for these deaths and it fully intends to aggressively defend these claims in the courts..."

The second was on the statement of being a secular program.  Just because the actual word "Scientology" isn't used in the materials, nowhere else are these materials/exercises/practices/procedures used accept for Scientology.  Rewording things so their not verbatim to the religious scripture doesn't immediately make them secularized.

If someone related information from other religions that were obviously attributed to those organizations, but their name was conveniently washed from the scriptures, it wouldn't make those suddenly secular either.

ABLE, who holds the licenses for the Narconon materials, is only staffed by Church of Scientology Sea Organization members who sign billion-year contracts, despite operating under the guise of a separate non-profit corporation.  Someone could apply for a job at ABLE who has worked at Narconon (displaying considerable experience in their specified field), and then sue them for religious discrimination after not being hired because they're not a Sea Org member.

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« Reply #79 on: November 20, 2012, 11:36 »
I moved these few posts from the Narconon Deaths thread to this one.

Couple thoughts here, after reading the transcripts of the OKC Fox 25 two-part series tonight.

The first was how cold Smith came across in this written response to the deaths under his watch: "...Narconon was not in any way responsible for these deaths and it fully intends to aggressively defend these claims in the courts..."

Very cold.  Reminds me of, I think it was, Mike Rinder saying after Lisa McPherson's death, "She died.  People die."  It just kind of illustrates the lack of value for life - this "lifetime", anyway.  I think it's partially a product of believing that people will have more lives after this one, partially a disdain for non-scientologists ("wogs") and "degraded beings", partially a product of the arrogance and certainty that is trained into scientologists, and partially that all emotion (except anger) seems to be removed from people when they're in scientology. 

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The second was on the statement of being a secular program.  Just because the actual word "Scientology" isn't used in the materials, nowhere else are these materials/exercises/practices/procedures used accept for Scientology.  Rewording things so their not verbatim to the religious scripture doesn't immediately make them secularized.

If someone related information from other religions that were obviously attributed to those organizations, but their name was conveniently washed from the scriptures, it wouldn't make those suddenly secular either.

Ah, but scientologists believe that when you change the name of something, it changes the thing itself.  Wynot and I remember years ago, our scientologist (ex) friend talking about this, with us arguing back using "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet" as an example.  I don't know where this type of thinking comes from in scientology, what course, level, or writing, but I bet someone on ESMB would know.

In this case, though, I think it's just trying to make the square peg fit into the round hole.  It's their certainty that scientology is the answer to everything, and it's only the "wog world" that can't accept that, so it must be changed in order to be accepted.  What a pity for them that even some "wogs" can look beyond the names and see the essence.

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ABLE, who holds the licenses for the Narconon materials, is only staffed by Church of Scientology Sea Organization members who sign billion-year contracts, despite operating under the guise of a separate non-profit corporation.  Someone could apply for a job at ABLE who has worked at Narconon (displaying considerable experience in their specified field), and then sue them for religious discrimination after not being hired because they're not a Sea Org member.

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