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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2013, 00:14 »
No mention of LRH.  Address and phone number has been changed as well.  Funny they sent it to me as I have most definitely expressed an interest in their program, just not the kind they want.
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2013, 01:50 »

They are using a proxy to protect the fact that Narconon runs this site. Findarehabnow.com
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The list of choices seems to go on and on. Let alone the difference sometimes between what a family member and counselor would choose for rehabilitation versus the choice most commonly made by the person addicted.

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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2013, 13:56 »

They are using a proxy to protect the fact that Narconon runs this site. Findarehabnow.com
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Between these two very valuable resources you should be able to quickly limit your choices to a select few rehab centers which you can then call with our tailored questionnaire to determine exactly the right facility to go with.
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2013, 10:22 »
What credentials do they have now?   >:D

More deceptive recruitment tactics for sure.
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2013, 11:09 »
What credentials do they have now?   >:D

 ;D  Thanks to you.
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2013, 22:37 »
 Many Narconon facilitys are racing to get staff members "credentials" since such a pulic outcry has been voiced about unprofessional staff and the decietful promises of counseling and "trained counselors" on hand at different facilitys. I was promised one-on-one counseling for my addiction, and so were my parents--but that just wasn't true.                                                                                                     To be a drug counselor and to obtain a certificate stating one is qualified to be so is simple, a staff member is sent to Narconon Freshstart California were you are "trained" and given credentials. That easy.
How much training is involved at Narconon Freshstart compared to a State run Proffesional training is something of a joke, what is counseling any way to people who stubornly believe Ethics, Dynanics and conditions are the only thing a "student" needs in life. Because i want the Reader to know
that drug counseling Doesn't exist in Narconon,do to the fact that the "student" learns control and he or she ultimately controls everything-- this is what is taught and drilled into your head day in and day out so who needs counseling if you have the magic books and the power to do it yourself???

To have a cert stating person(s) are qualified drug couselors is just a ploy and a tactic used to save face,
not ONE time and not One moment was my drug and alcohol addiction addressed--any comment or personal doubt or questions were met with disdain and a snyde retort: "better get your ethics and conditions in"--"perhaps you need to take the courses over again, you might have a misunderstood word"
Yes, one thing came clear to me, i couldn't talk about my addiction to anyone without a KR written against me, also do you REALLY think Narconon is going to suggest A.A, N.A.or a half-way house After graduating??--Heck No!!--A.A and N.A are resented by staff and taught that ONLY Narconon saves lives.
Go to a Half-way house?? Heck no, "intern with us" Aftercare??--"intern with us" Suggesting anything besides Narconon never happens. It is with regret i'll say that many "retreads came, did all the work and jumped through the hoops and died anyway....could there have been aftercare, counseling or a person to call and just say to them: " i'm having a toughe time i need help"???--No--i'm afraid not because once youre out and they got Your money you don't exist, i've been to some really cheap rehabs and they offer more help than Narconon Ever did....




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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2013, 23:08 »
Many Narconon facilitys are racing to get staff members "credentials" since such a pulic outcry has been voiced about unprofessional staff and the decietful promises of counseling and "trained counselors" on hand at different facilitys. I was promised one-on-one counseling for my addiction, and so were my parents--but that just wasn't true.                                                                                                     To be a drug counselor and to obtain a certificate stating one is qualified to be so is simple, a staff member is sent to Narconon Freshstart California were you are "trained" and given credentials. That easy.
How much training is involved at Narconon Freshstart compared to a State run Proffesional training is something of a joke, what is counseling any way to people who stubornly believe Ethics, Dynanics and conditions are the only thing a "student" needs in life. Because i want the Reader to know
that drug counseling Doesn't exist in Narconon,do to the fact that the "student" learns control and he or she ultimately controls everything-- this is what is taught and drilled into your head day in and day out so who needs counseling if you have the magic books and the power to do it yourself???

To have a cert stating person(s) are qualified drug couselors is just a ploy and a tactic used to save face,
not ONE time and not One moment was my drug and alcohol addiction addressed--any comment or personal doubt or questions were met with disdain and a snyde retort: "better get your ethics and conditions in"--"perhaps you need to take the courses over again, you might have a misunderstood word"
Yes, one thing came clear to me, i couldn't talk about my addiction to anyone without a KR written against me, also do you REALLY think Narconon is going to suggest A.A, N.A.or a half-way house After graduating??--Heck No!!--A.A and N.A are resented by staff and taught that ONLY Narconon saves lives.
Go to a Half-way house?? Heck no, "intern with us" Aftercare??--"intern with us" Suggesting anything besides Narconon never happens. It is with regret i'll say that many "retreads came, did all the work and jumped through the hoops and died anyway....could there have been aftercare, counseling or a person to call and just say to them: " i'm having a toughe time i need help"???--No--i'm afraid not because once youre out and they got Your money you don't exist, i've been to some really cheap rehabs and they offer more help than Narconon Ever did....

Dear fallenangel,

Thank you so much for this excellent comment. You really nailed it. It's really a must-read for people looking for a rehab, especially because it comes from someone who has been through the program in recent times.

Best wishes and I look forward to more of your comments.

Mary
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2013, 08:43 »
After a bit of digging I found that to call yourself a "professional" Alcohol and/or Drug Counselor you have to be licensed by these people: http://www.okdrugcounselors.org/

If you're not licensed, and call yourself a "professional" Counselor, you're committing fraud.

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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2013, 10:19 »
It's kind of like Faith Healers going out and getting medical degrees and licenses, when they have zero intentions of practicing any medicine.  They are just doing it to create a sense of legitimacy and protection.

The questions I would have for any "credentialed" Narconon staff member would be "How exactly do you use your counseling training to help addicts?" 

Because they use zero practices for which they are certified in. 

Faith Healers...quackery. 

What I'd like to hear more from is any of the actual licensed therapists that were unfortunate enough to actually attend a Narconon as a student.  It would be interesting to hear their spin on things.


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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2013, 14:13 »
After a bit of digging I found that to call yourself a "professional" Alcohol and/or Drug Counselor you have to be licensed by these people: http://www.okdrugcounselors.org/

If you're not licensed, and call yourself a "professional" Counselor, you're committing fraud.

Well, in OK, that's the group that William Kent McGregor is registered with as a LADC and a clinical supervisor. He is the one who supervises new license applicants for permanent license. He also provide Continuing Education clsaaes in Ethics, if you can believe it. Only a couple of  Narconon of OK staff are registered counselors through there ( and they are in administrative posts) - just enough to qualify the facility as being properly staffed by licensed professionals.

 
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2013, 21:08 »
 To be a drug counselor and to obtain a certificate stating one is qualified to be so is simple, a staff member is sent to Narconon Freshstart California were you are "trained" and given credentials. That easy.

Fallenangle,
Where in California is the training offered?

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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2013, 21:17 »
Re: California... it's not that simple, sunshine

Its sad that Kent and other Scientologists can form their own counselor certification agency (PITA Group), certify untrained Narconon staff left and right and get away with it.  Its like me forming a board to certify surgeons.  I have no fucking business doing it and would get skewered for doing it, yet they are left to operate with impunity.

In California, PITA is not recognized. Most Narconon staff go through  the Breining Institute for an The Registered Addiction Specialist  ( RAS ) license.

So anyone coming to work at any Narconon in a post that requires licensing in California must get a RAS license.  Most go through Breining Institute. This goes for all those who come from other Narconon outside of CA. There is a reciprocity arrangement with other states but the license has to be transferred
http://breining.edu/RASReciprocity.htm

McGregor and PITA cohort Claire Pinelli both got their CSC  ( Clinical Supervisor Credential  ) licenses through Breining. Kent is a licensed supervisor there like he is in OK. He's also listed on their list elsewhere under his name as  an RAS in training. He's got his claws into their system... but he doesn't do initial RAS applications. He just supervises clinical hours, like he supposedly does in OK. Probably does Continuing Ed classes for them, too.

One can search here to find names of those RAS or other license certified here
http://breining.edu/ras_professionals.htm
Note: at the above link, on the botton it says:
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FEATURED SPECIALIST
Name: Luria Dion, RAS II, CSC
Location: Glendale, California
Luria works for Narconon Fresh Start
   

OK friends and neighbors, with all of the recent goings on with certification, I began to wonder about the RAS cert that Narconons in CA use. The Breining Institute, which sells the exam, is legit. And while I did not take said exam, I knew several staff who did and heard talk of the same behavior (answers to the test given, etc). Also, and here I think is the loophole, one must have 155 hours of formal education in the field of addiction to be a bona fide RAS.  The Breining Institute of course offers their own program to meet this requirement, but it takes some time and is costly and there is simply no way that Narconon gives up the time or the money. And as we all know, many, many, MANY Narconon staff lack the education in this field. I have contacted the Breining Institute regarding their policy should it become apparent that false claims were made in the process of becoming an RAS. I eagerly await their reply.  >:D

Ah, yes. Sorry, eh? I am in the process of filing a complaint with the ADP. I could also file a complaint with the Breining institute, but they require a complaint filed per RAS, whereas with the ADP I can file a more general complaint and then they, after investigating, would follow up with Breining with the specifics. Breining was prompt in their response and provided all applicable links. And so, here's to hoping that the ADP is prompt as well.

Sorry to leave you hanging.
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2013, 18:44 »

Mary,  I thought Fallenangle  was talking about the training (?) Narconon provides if the client  wants to join staff.

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2013, 20:46 »

Mary,  I thought Fallenangle  was talking about the training (?) Narconon provides if the client  wants to join staff.

I was going by your comment in response to his:

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To be a drug counselor and to obtain a certificate stating one is qualified to be so is simple, a staff member is sent to Narconon Freshstart California were you are "trained" and given credentials. That easy.

Fallenangle,
Where in California is the training offered?

He may be talking about the clinical training 'on the job' training and experience one must have in order to get certified by the certifying groups allowed.

ADP currently recognizes the following National Commission for
Certifying Agencies (NCCA) accredited organizations to register and
certify AOD counselors in California.  To become a certified counselor
or to obtain further information regarding educational requirements for
becoming an AOD counselor in California, please contact any of the
certifying organizations listed below:
http://www.adp.ca.gov/Licensing/lcbhome.shtml

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http://www.americanacademy.org/resources/membersearch.aspx
https://www.caadac.org/registry/
https://www.caadac.org/registry/
http://www.breining.edu/ras_professionals.htm
http://www.caddtp.org/
http://www.caarr.org/certifications/our-certification-lists/cas-curr.html

Kent McGregor is licensed by Breining out in CA to provide that clinical supervision and probably does it under his license.   I know Claire Pinelli is but she is doing other things with her husband and their business in TX and OK. Perhaps there is another Fresh Start staff member there licensed to provide this. But these staff have to pass tests by one of the above organizations, depending upon the license. Most staff  of the Narconon Southern California aka Narconon Fresh Start realm ( NV, CO, TX, and those in So Cal) are RAS Registered addiction specialists under Breining Institute.

But I think Fallenangle may have been talking about Narconon's job post training.. not any professional licensing training. Every job in scientology and narconon had a 'hat' pack with materials that one must study and do and a checksheet of steps that must be done and initialed by self or another person depending upon the step requirements. Even narconon's "withdrawal specials" have course. But these are independent to licensing requirement classes.

Narconon Arrowhead used to be the main training place to send staff but as things evolved each facility implemented a course room and training. New staff and 'interns' have different training that job post training but they usually do it at the facility where they are working or at the main site for that particular organization, like Fresh Start which has more than one facility.

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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2013, 21:00 »
Thanks Mary, do you know where the main training  facility for Fresh Start is located?

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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2013, 21:25 »
Thanks Mary, do you know where the main training  facility for Fresh Start is located?

For any prep for the test, I am presuming it is in Glendale, where their salesmen also work the phones but keep in mind that most of the clinical work is done on the job at each facility and most of their facilities have a class room for staff to study in, possibly even using the same class room 'students' of the program study the books in.

It's not like Arrowhead which promotes their training center and charges other orgs to send key tech and admin staff to train. Not by a long shot.

It's also my understanding that Narconon is opening one ner Camp David in Maryland ( they promote it as Washing DC but it's in MD. ) for the Eastern US region staff training center. I'm still digging up info on this.
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2013, 10:22 »
Good to see you again, fallenangel.   :)

Yes, one thing came clear to me, i couldn't talk about my addiction to anyone without a KR written against me...

That right there should be enough to shut them down.  What kind of counseling is it that forbids people to discuss the problems they're in counseling for?!
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2013, 10:28 »
The questions I would have for any "credentialed" Narconon staff member would be "How exactly do you use your counseling training to help addicts?"

Thank you, source.  New question added to the "Questions to Ask" on the Researching a Rehab Facility page at Narconon Reviews:
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What credentials or education do non-medical staff members have, and how do they use this in the program?


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What I'd like to hear more from is any of the actual licensed therapists that were unfortunate enough to actually attend a Narconon as a student.  It would be interesting to hear their spin on things.

I'd like to hear from more people in the rehab field, period, whether or not they ever attended Narconon.  I'm sure some of them must have heard from people who did. 
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Re: One of our "professional counselors" will assist you
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2014, 20:03 »

Mary,  I thought Fallenangle  was talking about the training (?) Narconon provides if the client  wants to join staff.
It is not part of the internship or  staff training, only loyal long resident staff members may apply for drug counceling certs, but only a couple are really needed as to be able to say " trained Drug counselors ARE on hand at the facility"---i hope i have made that more clear for the reader. If you wish to stay on further as a staff member one has to do an "internship" which you have to earn by many long hours and many months of work to meet a quota. Freshly graduated students are brought into a circle, you are asked to divulge information on fellow students "for the good of the group" that you know and roomed with to pick out SP's and trouble makers,(basicaly betraying your friends and roomates) your loyalty to the group is also questioned as how far would you go to protect Narconon and a true interest in helping others.                                                                                                                                            That being done a contract is signed and the fresh intern is given their Posts which include working in withdrawl -days and nights--and technicaly not a trained withdrawl specialist at that!!!- A withdrawling addict is under the care and supervision of an ex-addict that only has "street smarts" when it comes to knowledge of running a WD unit.                                                                                                          I was promised a WD specialist or nurse would be on hand, what i found was "fresh fish" taking care of me which was disturbing. An intern slowly works up through the program reading LRH material and listening to Audio seminars and being tested, when you become superior in all areas, one can finally  choose a "hat" and that will be your permanent post---unless you have what happened to me at the facility where a mass exodus of staff occured, one could be pulling a full load just to fill the empty posts!!