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[two_toe_bobo]

Are we anywhere near enough people to try a class action suit against this monstrous cult?
i don't care about the money i just want them destroyed!!!

[mefree]

Are we anywhere near enough people to try a class action suit against this monstrous cult?
i don't care about the money i just want them destroyed!!!

I'm not aware of any class action suits against Narconon.......yet.

[ethercat]

Hi two_toe_bobo, and welcome to the Tipping Point.  We'd like to see an end to Narconon also, so you're in good company here.  I don't know of any class actions currently, but I bet people will start crawling out of the woodwork to be parties when one is announced. 

If you were a former client of Narconon, would you consider doing the Narconon Survey? (It's not done by Narconon, it's by a group of friendly volunteers who call themselves the Downtown Independent Research Team.)  The link is below, in my sig. 

[neveragain]

I had thought the one in Battle Creek had closed and everyone was moved to Albion.  Its distressing to hear that they are opening up more places under different names.  Such craziness there that I am actually hesitant to say much,  but I would hope that anyone would research well before sending a family member there or themselves.   I wish I had, but one thing, just the thought of being there makes me very determined to never get into that position again.         

[ethercat]

I had thought the one in Battle Creek had closed and everyone was moved to Albion.  Its distressing to hear that they are opening up more places under different names.  Such craziness there that I am actually hesitant to say much,  but I would hope that anyone would research well before sending a family member there or themselves.   I wish I had, but one thing, just the thought of being there makes me very determined to never get into that position again.         

Hi neveragain, and welcome. 

All of us here hope that people will do research before they go or send anyone to a Narconon, or the same program by whatever name they're using this month.  Unfortunately, it seems most of the research comes after the person is already there. 

Congratulations on your success.  I hope you know that it is due to YOU, and not to Narconon, even as much as they'd like to claim it is.   

[neveragain]

Thank you and yes I definitely know that I am the one that helped myself.   Being an older person there it was quite a challenge.   All the TRs  and security constantly checking on you all hours  of the night still haunt me, not to mention all of the other crazy things going on.  It surprises me that they continue to go on.

[ethercat]

Thank you and yes I definitely know that I am the one that helped myself.   Being an older person there it was quite a challenge.   All the TRs  and security constantly checking on you all hours  of the night still haunt me, not to mention all of the other crazy things going on.  It surprises me that they continue to go on.

It surprises me too, that they (all of them) are allowed to continue.  It's something I'd like to get to the bottom of.  I fear that the answer will be that the state agencies, for whatever reasons, are not doing their jobs of overseeing drug rehabs, which is a bigger problem to solve than just closing down the Narconons.  (I'd be happy to start with the Narconons being closed, though.)

We'd like to hear about your experience, if you would be willing to tell us.  The more people who talk about their experiences with Narconon, the more likely someone doing research before attending is to find it.   

[neveragain]

 

 I can tell you this, that I am a middle aged person that was at a terrible time of distress in my life, on anxiety and pain pill medications that were both prescribed by my own doctor.   That I have never had so much as a parking ticket in my life and my biggest mistake was to google a place for help and to believe what I was told on the phone without researching first.  But that is how they get you, because you are not of right mind and very desperate for help.   That is how alot of people there got there was by searching the internet for help.   

You ask for my story and I would be glad to tell it if it would help somebody to not send someone or go themselves but I am a little apprehensive of any repercussions.  I suppose that is in part of being told that I would never leave there and the power that they have.  So before I do I want to make sure that I have no way to be traced back to and that it would be totally anonymous.  Sounds paranoid I know but believe me I have every right to be
 

[neveragain]

I wanted to clarify a bit.  They really wanted me to stay because I am older.   There wasn't very many of us, contrary to what I was told before going, and there is becoming quite a market on us older people.  Pain pill addiction is becoming more prominent than ever in the middle age bracket and its a money maker for the drug companies and the rehabs.  They were recruiting two older people when I was there, one left and one stayed to work.

 Most of the people in there are young and either in trouble or their families gave them an ultimatum of either getting help or kicked out.  I felt so bad  as their families didn't believe them because they are drug addicts and their "family liason" person would tell the families that they just want out to get "high".     So many of them stay or conform and have a "new family"

[mefree]

Most of the people in there are young and either in trouble or their families gave them an ultimatum of either getting help or kicked out.  I felt so bad  as their families didn't believe them because they are drug addicts and their "family liason" person would tell the families that they just want out to get "high".     So many of them stay or conform and have a "new family"

We hear this all the time. It's not uncommon for people to want to leave treatment when the going gets tough. Of course, depending on the drug history of the individual, a drug free detox may be extremely unpleasant. So, when the family liasion speaks to the family and tells them their loved one just wants to leave and use, it's very believable.

[ethercat]

You ask for my story and I would be glad to tell it if it would help somebody to not send someone or go themselves but I am a little apprehensive of any repercussions.  I suppose that is in part of being told that I would never leave there and the power that they have.  So before I do I want to make sure that I have no way to be traced back to and that it would be totally anonymous.  Sounds paranoid I know but believe me I have every right to be

neveragain, I can't promise that you would never be identified by your story, because details you might give might be specific enough that you might be identified by them.  I can say this: I would never reveal your login information (email address, IP address) or any other information about you unless forced to by a legal court order. 

While I encourage anyone who has been to any of the Narconons to post their story, I wouldn't want you to do something you are too uncomfortable with.  It is my belief that both scientology and Narconon have much bigger things to be concerned about these days than a complaint by a former client.  I also believe that while in the past, this group has been able to wield their power over people in harmful ways, their only power today is the power you give them by your fear.  They may have told you that you'd never leave, but you did leave, didn't you.

This is a decision you will have to make.  If you choose to post your story, great!  If not, that is fine too.  I do hope that if you don't post your story, you will consider doing the Narconon Survey (not a Narconon-sponsored survey, it's a survey hosted right here on Tipping Point, and the link is below). 

You are given an option on the survey form to have your survey responses be public or private - the default choice is private.  The surveys that come in are being prepared for a website; the public ones will be posted without identifying information, and the answers from the private ones are being aggregated into some statistical data about the general opinions of people who have attended Narconon.  It's not as scientific as it could be if we polled all former clients of Narconon, but we don't have the information to do that.  Narconon does have that ability, but they're not publishing any true statistics.

So I do hope you'll consider both or either of these options, but it is ultimately your choice.