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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #120 on: May 12, 2013, 18:09 »
I'm sure you are in good hands with Mary, moonpie54.

First, I think many of us here understand that circumstances are frequently dire when someone enters treatment; decisions are often made quickly. Everyone involved is usually at the end of their ropes.

Second, I want to reiterate ethercat's advice about involving the police, if you want to pick up your son, have the police meet you there. I believe the insurance statement ethercat was referring to is an explanation of benefits. You would normally receive this directly from your insurance company. Apparently, Narconon would prefer that you not see that item. I'm glad you switched your mail back.

Wishing you the very best and hope to hear some updates, when it's safe to do so.
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2013, 21:02 »
Hello,
Does anyone check this forum these days? I was admitted to Tranquility Detox and Best Drug Rehab in xx/xxxx and can completely relate to what others have been saying about the facilities. I owe BDR some money out of pocket and I believe the insurance I had at the time still owes them money as well. I have filed the bills until I figure out what my course of action should be, especially if they were not licensed during the time I was there.

How do I email people who use this forum so I can communicate through email rather than having to check the forum all the time? I will write more in detail once I know my message is getting to someone directly rather than on a forum I found on accident that seems to be old. I also don't navigate through these websites easily. :-)

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from someone.

-Melanie
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 00:03 by ethercat »

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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #122 on: May 22, 2013, 21:11 »
Hi Melanie, many people read the forum daily :)

Thanks for joining and posting about your situation.

There are multiple threads about other people's experiences with Best Drug Rehabilitation Center in MI. BDR and Tranquility Detox are licensed. Tranquility is  not the name on their license. Both BDR and A Forever Recovery run Tranquility. It's where they send their students for withdrawal, and then send them on to whatever facility recruited them.

If you want, you can email me at xscientologist at gmail.com and I can provide you with some information on how to sort out your situation. It is important that you find out what was billed and what was covered by your insurance. I'll tell you how to find out all this and what to do.

Mary
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 00:03 by ethercat »
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #123 on: May 22, 2013, 21:23 »
Mary is right, Melanie. This forum is read daily.

You can Go to show unread posts since last visit or latest comments to see the most recent posts.

Welcome to Tipping Point!
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« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 00:04 by ethercat »
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #124 on: May 22, 2013, 21:28 »
Thank you for the replies!  :)

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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2013, 22:01 »
You're welcome, Melanie!

Thanks, mefree :)
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 00:04 by ethercat »
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #126 on: May 23, 2013, 08:57 »
Hello,
Does anyone check this forum these days? I was admitted to Tranquility Detox and Best Drug Rehab in xx/xxxx and can completely relate to what others have been saying about the facilities. I owe BDR some money out of pocket and I believe the insurance I had at the time still owes them money as well. I have filed the bills until I figure out what my course of action should be, especially if they were not licensed during the time I was there.

How do I email people who use this forum so I can communicate through email rather than having to check the forum all the time? I will write more in detail once I know my message is getting to someone directly rather than on a forum I found on accident that seems to be old. I also don't navigate through these websites easily. :-)

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from someone.

-Melanie

Hi Melanie, and welcome to the Tipping Point.  We are an active forum; we just don't have a whole lot of members who post regularly.  I guess you're probably in touch with Mary by now, but if you need any help with how the forum works, let us know.   :)
« Last Edit: May 24, 2013, 00:05 by ethercat »
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #127 on: May 29, 2013, 19:26 »
Yes, Melanie is in contact with me. Thanks so much.

Mary
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #128 on: August 31, 2013, 20:24 »
 I had a loved one in a similar facilty close by -denied they were scientolgy related. Asked us to sign forms no other rehab (found this out afterward) ever required. No one in my family believed me- I kept looking on the internet. Proof came when I did get names of some of the employees- I went and looked on facebook and some of the facebook pages of the employees were friends with Narconon facilities all over the world. i also noticed staff were very young- only a few had any college degrees. Withdrawl specialists were high school graduates. Impulsivley I told my loved one all my fears- initally they would not leave but later did. The staff there were nice, but it seemed like they were all so young and I had heard they employ recent graduates of the program into the facilty. Yhey had also tld my loved one he could live in California for free (he thoguht working somewhere to pay the rent). I had been talking to an attorney at the time and mentioned this to staff and we did end up getting more than half our money back. At the time the CEO was in court giving depositions on some matter concerning this  business    so maybe mentioning an attorney helped us. I do feel staff liked my loved one and probably thought they were helping. But the whole business side I do not think care- people are not properly trained-  detox was in a building with no business sign out front looked very run down. They would not talk to my insurance company to negotiate coverage which i have never have happened. i work at a place where we often advocate for folks getitng insurance coverage for previously denied claims- providers of service were always glad to talk to the insurance company= this place would not- My feeling is they take young people who have just graudated from their program and stick them in positions they are probably not ready to perform in and then the patient gets put at risk. Don't sign anything- but if you have talk to an attorney- get your loved one out if you have any doubts. Check employees facebook pages- it is amazing to me that they deny Narconon affiliation but severaly employess are friends of Narconon.

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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #129 on: August 31, 2013, 21:56 »
I had a loved one in a similar facilty close by -denied they were scientolgy related. Asked us to sign forms no other rehab (found this out afterward) ever required. No one in my family believed me- I kept looking on the internet. Proof came when I did get names of some of the employees- I went and looked on facebook and some of the facebook pages of the employees were friends with Narconon facilities all over the world. i also noticed staff were very young- only a few had any college degrees. Withdrawl specialists were high school graduates. Impulsivley I told my loved one all my fears- initally they would not leave but later did. The staff there were nice, but it seemed like they were all so young and I had heard they employ recent graduates of the program into the facilty. Yhey had also tld my loved one he could live in California for free (he thoguht working somewhere to pay the rent). I had been talking to an attorney at the time and mentioned this to staff and we did end up getting more than half our money back. At the time the CEO was in court giving depositions on some matter concerning this  business    so maybe mentioning an attorney helped us. I do feel staff liked my loved one and probably thought they were helping. But the whole business side I do not think care- people are not properly trained-  detox was in a building with no business sign out front looked very run down. They would not talk to my insurance company to negotiate coverage which i have never have happened. i work at a place where we often advocate for folks getitng insurance coverage for previously denied claims- providers of service were always glad to talk to the insurance company= this place would not- My feeling is they take young people who have just graudated from their program and stick them in positions they are probably not ready to perform in and then the patient gets put at risk. Don't sign anything- but if you have talk to an attorney- get your loved one out if you have any doubts. Check employees facebook pages- it is amazing to me that they deny Narconon affiliation but severaly employess are friends of Narconon.

Check your claims. There have been allegations in Georgia that Narconon informed clients that insurance did not pay when it did.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/narconon-warrants-show-millions-alleged-fraud/nXmbW/
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #130 on: September 01, 2013, 10:23 »
Hi katydid5 and welcome to Tipping Point.  It does sound like this might have been the A Forever Recovery/Best Drug Rehab/Tranquility Detox triangle - the Devil's Triangle of the north.  Glad you got your loved one out.

I have no doubt that some of the young staff do care, but without the life experience and training or even just the experience of a real rehab, they don't know how things are done at legit places.  Unfortunately, they are sometimes trapped into thinking it's their responsibility to "give back", when they should be focused on developing their own life and concentrating on their own recovery.

Yeah, Facebook, what a mixed bag for them.  On the one hand, it helps them to network, but on the other hand, it gives them away for what and who they are.    ;)

And do what mefree says; do check your insurance claims.  In my opinion, the insurance funny business she's referring to isn't been limited to just Georgia.  There have been instances of people being told to change their mailing address with their insurance companies to the facility's address. 
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #131 on: September 02, 2013, 18:44 »
Ethercat- You summed it up nicely- I agree with you on the young staff- they may end up feeling obligated and really don't get training so it ends up being very dangerous four the patients . The fact that they are so young does result in things like posting things on a public forum which shows a direct connection to Narconon.

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« Reply #132 on: September 02, 2013, 19:56 »
Considering that many of the staff at BDR have posts and jobs that are almost identical to that found in a Narconon or church of scientology, you will usually find many BDR or even Afr staff who once worked at another Narconon. 

What's difficult sometimes is that since many times these staff members relapse on drugs they are usually cycled over to another center.  I'm not comparing addiction to abuse but the analogy of the Catholic Church when they took unethical priests and simply moved them around would be close.  However this usually has to do with skill sets within scientology.

Although they believe in conditions, they believe that these conditions can be repaired rather quickly.

Ironically a fully trained CS who just relapsed could probably get a job at any narconon, BDR or similar program even if they only had a couple days sober.  Even though the most heavily trained position can be had for about 7 months of training withIn a Narconon, these staff are very rare because most people who are trainees don't stay sober that long.

They might get a position or two, burn out because of workload, lack of recovery program, and lack of social life....then they relapse.  They are handled a couple times at the center.  Eventually they move on to another Narconon.

It's not uncommon for many staff members to have been at several narconons.  These connections are probably because of this.

You can find out a Narconon staff members real résumé and lengths of sobriety in between by a simple formulaic approach.

Count how many friends someone has and break them down into the various narconons those people work at.  The highest number of friends equals the greatest amount of sobriety that person had and the Narconon  they were at before they moved on.  The second most is the shortest time at a Narconon.

You can also roughly determine the department they worked in.

Or the Narconon they graduated from.

Or the Narconon the did a relapse program at.

Rarely will you ever find that someone left a Narconon and went to another for a reason other than relapse or sleeping with students.  This is because, in scientology, to leave an org means you have secret harms you have done.  Even if you wanted to leave in a good condition you would be interrogated about your secrets...and it takes months or years to let them let you go.  In addition, programs like arrowhead charge you tens of thousands of dollars for training that you have to pay in order to work somewhere else.

Can you imagine a job where you were forced to disclose all you personal secrets to them before they let you quit? Happens all the time in the scientology and Narconon world.  And maybe Nazi germany.

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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #133 on: September 18, 2013, 19:54 »
Here are some fair use clips from recent Best Drug Rehabilitation complaints posted to RipoffReport.com

Insurance fraud....
Report: #1078786
best drug rehab nitemare detox manistee battlecreek Michigan
    Submitted: Sat, August 24, 2013
    Updated: Sat, August 24, 2013
    Reported By: Making Bowsbybrat — okc Oklahoma
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  sent my daughter ( from Oklahoma) to Best Drug Rehab & Detox, the detox is located in Battlecreek, Mich. This was our familys first time dealing with a drug rehab of any sort, This place is Real Fast to book a flight for your loved one and they can do this and pay for it because its the LAST ticket they have, one of the administrators Brandon) had her take pills before boarding the flight to calm her down because this was her first time on a plane( pay attion I mention why he wanted her to take the pills later)  my daughter had her cell and 40.00 cash ( pay attention this comes up later too) on her until arriving at the detox, First the diver ( whom was dressed like a straight thug) was 1 1/2 hrs late picking her up at the airport, they fly into detroit ( altho there is an international airport right there in battlecreek), the driver drove 90-100 on the hwy with MY daughter in the car, he stopped at a truck stop to make a drug deal, drugs where then offered to my daughter, on the way to detox, she called once there and said to me over the phone in front of staff, "the reason he wanted me to take the pills was so I would test positive for drugs so they can file the insurance clam with our insurance company", It only went down hill from there,...

read on for more
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/best-drug-rehab/manisteebattlecreek-Michigan/best-drug-rehab-nitemare-detox-manistee-battlecreek-Michigan-1078786

Similar report posted same day here:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Best-Drug-Rehab/Battlecreeek-Michigan/Best-Drug-Rehab-Worst-nighttmare-drug-rehab-employees-offer-you-drugs-Battlecreeek-Michi-1078776




    Report: #1074011
Complaint Review: Best Drug Rehab in Manistee, Michigan
    Submitted: Wed, August 07, 2013
    Updated: Wed, August 07, 2013
    Reported By: Ritamae — Upstate New York

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My 20 year old daughter was "rescued" by local police officials in Michigan TODAY from Best Drug Rehab/ Tranquility Detox Center. The whole day was a nightmare. they are committing insurance fraud, they will not let you speak to your loved while they are in detox.
Read on for more
Best Drug Rehab in Manistee, Michigan Tranquility Detox Center in Battlecreek,MI Desperate mom of heroin adddict Battlecreek Michigan
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Best-Drug-Rehab-in-Manistee-Michigan/Battlecreek-Michigan/Best-Drug-Rehab-in-Manistee-Michigan-Tranquility-Detox-Center-in-BattlecreekMI-Despera-1074011
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #134 on: September 18, 2013, 21:37 »
Interesting because most laypeople don't realize that med detox won't be billed without a positive drug test and in some cases inpatient won't be covered by insurance without one.

In other words, if you have insurance but are 1 week sober, generally insurance won't pay for inpatient and definitely not detox.

Basically I'm suggesting this woman is being honest because there is truth in what she is saying.  However for a rehab to give someone drugs for insurance billing and admittance reasons is horrifying.

For someone to make this story up, they would have to understand the treatment industry.



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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #135 on: September 18, 2013, 21:55 »
Interesting because most laypeople don't realize that med detox won't be billed without a positive drug test and in some cases inpatient won't be covered by insurance without one.

In other words, if you have insurance but are 1 week sober, generally insurance won't pay for inpatient and definitely not detox.

Basically I'm suggesting this woman is being honest because there is truth in what she is saying.  However for a rehab to give someone drugs for insurance billing and admittance reasons is horrifying.

For someone to make this story up, they would have to understand the treatment industry.

You make a very good point! I tend to believe her, based on the multitude of insurance fraud allegations. Truly evil!
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« Reply #136 on: September 20, 2013, 02:21 »
I believe I have a copy of a report written on Per that went to Narconon Int and various other upper management Scientology organizations that went over Per promoting that people needed to be given alcohol of the insurance wont pay.  Obviously Narconon Int didnt care (except about $$$$$$$).  It was written in 2009 or so.  I think its only a matter of time before someone in the Wickstrom empire gets nabbed by the police.
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #137 on: September 20, 2013, 07:24 »
I believe I have a copy of a report written on Per that went to Narconon Int and various other upper management Scientology organizations that went over Per promoting that people needed to be given alcohol of the insurance wont pay.  Obviously Narconon Int didnt care (except about $$$$$$$).  It was written in 2009 or so.  I think its only a matter of time before someone in the Wickstrom empire gets nabbed by the police.

Wow!
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #138 on: September 20, 2013, 09:18 »
I think its only a matter of time before someone in the Wickstrom empire gets nabbed by the police.

It's about time.
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Re: Best Drug Rehabilitation
« Reply #139 on: September 20, 2013, 09:21 »
He'll blame his sister or dad.
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