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Offline neveragain

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another narconon rip off report
« on: August 12, 2012, 20:58 »
Seems they are getting popular on rip off report lately


Narconon Freedom Center After being lured in by false advertising and promises, this place continued to go from bad to worse in the 5 day span of "treatment" I received. Scientology based courses, terrible living conditions, Internet

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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2012, 22:31 »
Seems they are getting popular on rip off report lately

Narconon Freedom Center After being lured in by false advertising and promises, this place continued to go from bad to worse in the 5 day span of "treatment" I received. Scientology based courses, terrible living conditions, Internet

Thanks neveragain. I believe there are over 50 complaints on Ripoff Report about the various Narconons. We have quite a few of those complaints linked on RFTTP. If this was a new complaint feel free to post a link.
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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 09:42 »
The question is, are any government agencies, local, state, or federal paying any attention to those Rip Off Reports??

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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 10:24 »
The question is, are any government agencies, local, state, or federal paying any attention to those Rip Off Reports??

I doubt it. Ripoff report does serve to warn others, though. It is important for victims of Narconon to complain to their state agencies responsible for oversight of drug treatment, the FTC (deceptive advertising) and law enforcement as applicable.

Update: Link to this latest complaint on Ripoff Report: http://www.ripoffreport.com/narconon-freedom-cen/cult/narconon-freedom-center-after-48840.htm
« Last Edit: August 13, 2012, 19:13 by mefree »
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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2012, 21:09 »
Revealing latest ripoff report title:

Narconon Freedom Center After being lured in by false advertising and promises, this place continued to go from bad to worse in the 5 day span of "treatment" I received. Scientology based courses, terrible living conditions, Internet..
http://www.ripoffreport.com/narconon-freedom-cen/cult/narconon-freedom-center-after-48840.htm

Glad to see comments in reply , too :)
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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 22:00 »
 :)

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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 22:13 »
"All I know is that there were going to be 6-8 girls per room and no private bathrooms. It was difficult with 3-4 girls to a room!"

This makes me sad because they must still be packing people in.   The opening of the new womens wing was supposed to happen in March, but  they were having problems with permits.  The expansion is just another old building they are connecting the hospital to.  The medical hospital was closed down years ago and  narconon bought it then moved people from Battle Creek to this one.  Thats what was confusing because at first I really thought I was in some type of hospital as the detox part is pretty nice.   

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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2012, 00:12 »
"All I know is that there were going to be 6-8 girls per room and no private bathrooms. It was difficult with 3-4 girls to a room!"

This makes me sad because they must still be packing people in.   The opening of the new womens wing was supposed to happen in March, but  they were having problems with permits.  The expansion is just another old building they are connecting the hospital to.  The medical hospital was closed down years ago and  narconon bought it then moved people from Battle Creek to this one.  Thats what was confusing because at first I really thought I was in some type of hospital as the detox part is pretty nice.

Someone should send an anonymous complaint about them being overcapacity to the dept in charge of fire code violations in that city or county. One can include personal experience of this and refer to the ripoff report complaint link. Just a suggestion :)   
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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2012, 04:23 »
A bunch of links to the various MI laws, statutes, codes, etc., here that may be useful for tracking down appropriate laws the way we've been doing for OK: http://www.legallawhelp.com/state_law/Michigan/

Just picked one of the links at random and stumbled across this:

http://michigan.gov/documents/mdch/PIHP-MHSP_Provider_Qualifications_219874_7.pdf

Some interesting stuff in there. I wonder if the Freedom Center 'students' turned 'staff' meet the requirements on page 2?

« Last Edit: August 15, 2012, 04:39 by BigBeard »
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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2012, 11:28 »
A bunch of links to the various MI laws, statutes, codes, etc., here that may be useful for tracking down appropriate laws the way we've been doing for OK: http://www.legallawhelp.com/state_law/Michigan/

Just picked one of the links at random and stumbled across this:

http://michigan.gov/documents/mdch/PIHP-MHSP_Provider_Qualifications_219874_7.pdf

Some interesting stuff in there. I wonder if the Freedom Center 'students' turned 'staff' meet the requirements on page 2?

They don't participate in Medicaid program in that ( and other states) so those laws don't apply.

Here is some info from the applicable Michigan regs. Link to staff info is further info

Residential Treatment Continuum of Services #TA-T-10: Establishes the
requirements for residential services based on ASAM LOC criteria, and to
support individualized services that maintain cultural, age and gender
appropriateness. 10/01/10   
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdch/TA_10_-_Residential_TX_Continuum_of_Services_-_FINAL_334546_7.pdf
 

MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY HEALTH
Bureau of Health Systems
Division of Licensing & Certification
Substance Abuse Licensing Section
APPLICATION FOR A SUBSTANCE ABUSE LICENSE
DIRECTIONS FOR COMPLETING THE APPLICATION FOR
LICENSURE AS A SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROGRAM
[..]
Sub-acute Care - Sub-acute substance abuse treatment is for conditions
that are not life-threatening but require a coordinated treatment program
which may include detoxification, individual and group
counseling, chemotherapy, medical care or other appropriate services
deemed necessary by the
professional supervised treatment staff.

TYPE OF CARE PROVIDED BY PROGRAM

Detoxification - Detoxification treatment means a medically acute or sub
-acute systematic reduction of the amount of a drug in the body, or the
elimination of a drug from the body concomitant with supportive
treatment services. Detoxification typically lasts 3-5 days. Inpatient
programs provide acute detoxification services typically lasting 3-5 days
in hospital beds licensed by the Michigan Department of Community Health.
Residential-Approved Service programs and others provide sub-acute
detoxification services typically lasting 3-5 days.
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/bhs_sa_app_129213_7.pdf
 
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY HEALTH
MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE ADMINISTRATION
SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS SERVICE PROGRAM

(By authority conferred on the director of the department of community
health by section 6231 of 1978 PA 368, MCL 333.6231 and Executive
Reorganization Order Nos. 1991-3, 1996-1, and 1997-4, MCL 333.36321,
330.3101, and 333.26324)
 
pg 5
A program shall not refuse employment to individuals solely on the
grounds of prior substance abuse or prior criminal history.
R 325.14112 Personnel management.

Rule 112. (1) A program shall have written personnel policies and
procedures, including a description of the grievance process for
employees who are charged with conduct which might result in disciplinary
action, including suspension or dismissal.

(2) The governing authority or its authorized agent shall give written
approval to personnel policies and practices before their implementation.
The date of such approval shall be documented.

(3) Personnel policies and practices shall be reviewed by the program
director or his or her superior and, if necessary, updated at least
annually.

(4) There shall be written job descriptions for all positions. Each job
description shall specifically identify all of the following:

(a) Job title.
(b) Tasks and responsibilities.
(c) The skills, knowledge, training, education, and experience required
for the job.
(5) Job descriptions shall accurately reflect the actual job situation
and shall be revised when there is a change in the required
qualifications, duties, supervision, or other job tasks.

(6) A staff member shall be given a copy of his or her written job
description and a written description of the program's personnel policies
and procedures.

(7) A program shall not refuse employment to individuals solely on the
grounds of prior substance abuse or prior criminal history. A qualified
handicapped person shall not be subjected to discrimination in employment
on the basis of his or her handicap.

(8) There shall be an orientation program for all staff members to
introduce them to the program's philosophy, goals, policies, and
procedures.

(9) A personnel record shall be kept on each staff member.
[..]
R 325.14103 Definitions; R to T.
Rule 103. (1) As used in these rules:
(c) "Recipient neglect" means that a recipient suffers injury,
temporarily or permanently, because the staff or other person responsible
for the recipient's health or welfare has been found negligent.
(f) "Staff" means an individual who is not a client and who works, with
or without remuneration, for a licensed substance use disorders program.

[..]
R 325.14116 Confidentiality of client case records
Rule 116. (1) A client's records shall be kept confidential and shall be
maintained in compliance with section 6111 of the act and with other
applicable federal and state statutes and rules, including the
requirements of 42 C.F.R. SS2.1 to 2.67-e, June 9, 1987. The provisions
of 42 C.F.R. SS2.1 to 2.67-e, June 9, 1987, are adopted by reference in
these rules. Copies of the provisions of 42 C.F.R. SS2.1 to 2.67-e, June
9, 1987, are available from the Superintendent of Documents, United
States Government Printing Office, Washington, DC 20402, or from the
Licensing Section, Center for Substance Abuse Services, 3423 N. Martin
Luther King, Jr. Blvd., P.O. Box 30195, Lansing, Michigan 48909, at no
cost.

(2) An authorization for the release of information shall become part of
the client's permanent case record.
http://www7.dleg.state.mi.us/orr/Files/AdminCode/103_65_AdminCode.pdf

Residential Programs
  (R 325.14901 - 325.14928)

DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY HEALTH
MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE SERVICES
PART 9. RESIDENTIAL PROGRAMS
SUBPART 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS
 
R 325.14906 Client activities.

Rule 906. Ten or more hours per week of scheduled activities shall be
available to a client. Included in these activities shall be 2 or more
hours of formalized individual, group, or family counseling for each
client. The hours of counseling actually provided should vary according
to the needs of the client. There shall be documentation of planned
social, educational, and recreational activities consistent with the
needs of the client. Activities shall include all clients and shall take
place days, evenings, and weekends if clients are present during these
times.
[..]
R 325.14910 Client records; content; maintenance.
Rule 910. (1) There shall be a case record for each client. All of the
following items shall be filed in the case record, if applicable:
(a) Results of all examinations, tests, and other assessment information.
(b) Reports from referring sources.
(c) Treatment plans.
(d) Records of referrals to outside resources.
(e) Reports from outside resources, which shall include the name of the
resource and the date of the report. These reports shall be signed by the
person who makes the report or by the program staff member who receives
the report.
(f) Case conference and consultation notes, including the date of the
conference or consultation, recommendations made, and actions taken.
(g) Correspondence related to the client, including all letters and dated
notations of telephone conversations relevant to the client's treatment.
(h) Treatment consent forms.
(i) Information release forms.
(j) Progress notes. Entries shall be filed in chronological order and
shall include the date any relevant observations were made, the date the
entry was made, and the signature and staff title of the person who makes
the entry.
(k) Records of services provided. Summaries of services provided shall be
sufficiently detailed so that a person who is not familiar with the
program can identify the types of services the client has received.
General terms such as "counseling" or "activities" shall be avoided in
describing services.
(l) Aftercare plans.
(m) Discharge summary.
(n) Follow-up information.
(2) A program shall provide sufficient facilities for the storage,
processing, and handling of client case records. These facilities shall
include suitably locked and secured rooms and files.
(3) Appropriate records shall be readily accessible to those staff
members who provide services directly to the client.
(4) Client case records shall be maintained for not less than 3 years
after services are discontinued.
(5) If a program stores client data on magnetic tape, computer files, or
other types of automated information systems, security measures shall be
developed to prevent inadvertent or unauthorized access to data files.
http://www7.dleg.state.mi.us/orr/Files/AdminCode/103_73_AdminCode.pdf
 
R 325.14924 Control register and client records.
Rule 924. (1) A program shall establish a control register which includes
all of the following information:
(a) The name of the client.
(b) The date and time of client's arrival.
(c) The client's means of arrival and by whom transported.
(2) A program shall keep client records which shall include all of the
following information:
(a) The medical exam and evaluation.
(b) The treatment plan.
(c) An evaluation of social and psychological needs.
(d) The discharge summary.
R 325.14927 Medical examination ( read)

Recipient Rights
(R 325.14301 - 325.14306)
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY HEALTH
MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE SERVICES
RECIPIENT RIGHTS

R 325.14301 Construction; effective date.
Rule 301. (1) R 325.14302 to R 325.14306 shall not be construed to expand
or diminish other remedies at law which are available to a recipient
under the act or the statutory and common law of this state.
(2) This part shall take effect 120 days following the effective date of
these rules.

http://www7.dleg.state.mi.us/orr/Files/AdminCode/103_67_AdminCode.pdf
 
Michigan Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs
Bureau of Health Professions
Health Licensing Division
Substance Abuse Program
PO Box 30670
Lansing, MI 48909
Phone: 517-241-1970
MODEL RECIPIENT RIGHTS POLICY AND PROCEDURES
Authority: P.A.368 of 1978, as amended - February 2010
NOTE: Information provided as a model to be considered by licensed
substance abuse programs in their development of recipient rights policy
and procedures
http://www.michigan.gov/documents/lara/Model_Recipient_Rights_Pol__Proc_for_SA_Lic_SUB-503_370551_7.pdf

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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2012, 16:17 »
Thanks for this clarification, Mary. I don't know how the general public can make their way around that site for contact info. They really need to simplify the menu options for consumers.

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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2012, 16:37 »
The google-fu is very strong in Mary.

But seriously, Mary, thanks for posting appropriate statutes. It can be hard to navigate state, federal or other laws to find the ones that fit.

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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2012, 20:21 »
The google-fu is very strong in Mary.

I'll say!   
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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2012, 20:25 »
The google-fu is very strong in Mary.

But seriously, Mary, thanks for posting appropriate statutes. It can be hard to navigate state, federal or other laws to find the ones that fit.

 ;)
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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2012, 14:29 »
The google-fu is very strong in Mary.

But seriously, Mary, thanks for posting appropriate statutes. It can be hard to navigate state, federal or other laws to find the ones that fit.

 ;D   :-thanks-: It can be hard but it sure is worth it when you have them. I do what I can.
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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2012, 17:14 »
Thanks Mary.

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Re: another narconon rip off report
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2012, 19:49 »
;D   :-thanks-: It can be hard but it sure is worth it when you have them. I do what I can.

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