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Offline Stacy

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Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« on: November 20, 2013, 13:53 »
My husband is in route to remove my adult son from one of the facilities right now.  They do NOT know he is coming, but my son does.  Does anyone know if they monitor phone calls?  I know someone sits right next to him when he is on the phone with us, but does someone actually hear our side of the conversation as well?  We are fearfull there might be repercussions if they were to find out before he gets there.  I received a disturbing call a bit ago from a staff member stating they felt they needed to move my son back a few chapters in the program as he seems to be meeting "Resistance" to what he is being taught at the moment.  Part of me thinks they know something and are trying to discredit him.  I had NO idea until the day before yesterday what Narconon was, what it was related to.  We are one of many that located the site through an online consulting service out of sheer desperation.  He was coming to the end of his stay and was going to do an internship and they were recommending another facility, so I typed in that specific facility on the internet and found a series of blogs, forums, and informational sites that scared me to death...so here we are, flying halfway across the country at a moments notice to pull him out!!!!!

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2013, 14:46 »
If your son is willing to leave, your husband may want to contact the local police and request an escort when he goes to pick him up. NN can be very creative with reasons your son can't leave, but if a police officer asks him if he wants to go, and he says yes, they can't refuse to let him go.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2013, 14:49 »
I have chills reading your post as I brought my son home recently after learning the rehab he was at was a narconon based rehab through the internet as well. It was the scariest night of my life. My son was states away from me and I was scared to death I would never see him again. The tone in the "counselor's" voice and the way they spoke to me when I called my son to let him know I had a plane booked and he was leaving the next morning. They had my son call me back and he asked if I was ok. I could tell right away I was on speakerphone and they were trying to get details as to why I was bringing him home. It sounds to me as if they are trying to "feel you out". They probably suspect something is going on. You are doing the right thing! These people are unbelievably slick and good at what they do. I thank God every day for the internet and for these forums from people speaking about these scams. I would have never known and my son would call and beg to come home but we forced him to stay because we thought it we were doing the best thing for him. They told us he was a drug addict and he would lie and make up anything in order to get home and do drugs. We believed them and trusted them. My son was able to tell me to look them up on the internet that they were under investigation for insurance fraud. That is when I discovered what this rehab was all about and got him out. I can't explain the feeling of seeing my son face to face after being so intimated and scared of these horrible people who seemed so caring and nice while trying to get him there. Good luck to you and your family and hang in there!

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2013, 17:15 »
Stacy,

Please check back on this site.  There are numerous people here to help you and keep your confidences.  You have made a GOOD choice for your son and your family.

If this site is in MI the local police will help your husband get your son.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2013, 19:31 »
I would recommend documenting everything.  Times, dates, names of people you spoke with, what they said, websites you visited and called and phone numbers.

You may think it unimportant right now, but it might be important in the future.

I've never heard of a NARCONON holding a client against their will when their parents showed up.

However, there is a section of the program called Book 5, The Ups and Downs in Life where it is usually pointed out to the the student that a possible reason for a struggling addict who is "roller plastering" is because their parent(s) are at fault.  When said parent then tries to dissuade them from staying on as an intern the NARCONON staff refers back to this section and implies that it is evidence that the parents are the true cause of the addiction and are stopping them from getting better (ie staying on staff and helping people).

Scary stuff.

Many rehabs have a family program.  Deep secret at a NARCONON is the seeds they plant that the family is the cause of their addiction.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2013, 19:39 »
Hi Stacy, and welcome to Reaching for the Tipping Point.  I wish it were under more pleasant circumstances.   :)  I wish I had come online and seen your post sooner.

I've given you the ability to send and receive PMs (personal messages), which is usually reserved for people with 5 posts or more, but we make exceptions when it would be helpful.

Please don't put too many details in your reply to me because Narconon is known to read this site.  You can send me a PM by clicking the symbol under my name to the left.

It is difficult to say whether they know or are suspicious about your husband coming.  As Heartbroken1234 mentions, some of the Narconons are charging people's insurance policies for their stays, and my feeling is that they may want to him to redo part of the program so they can keep charging.  You need to check with the insurance company and find out if there have been charges made to the policy. 

BigBeard is right, that your husband may want to have a police escort when he arrives to pick him up.  They cannot legally hold your son against his will, but having a policeman there will let them know you mean business, so they won't try to cause problems. 

My feeling is that they wouldn't do anything to harm your son physically, but they may have tried to convince him that you and your husband are either the cause of his problems, or that you will hinder his getting over them.  Fortunately, he has made it through the program without any physical repurcussions - and we have had people come on here whose children or loved ones were having medical issues - so that is something to be thankful for.

Narconon really doesn't address addiction in any way, so when you get your son home, it is important to find some kind of aftercare or followup counseling for him, even if it's only going to AA or NA meetings.

I hope you will PM me with some more details about the Narconons involved, and I will do whatever I can to help you find the aftercare he needs.  I don't know if you've found our "sister site" (NarcononReviews.net) yet, but here is some information that may help:
http://narcononreviews.net/resources/for-former-clients/after-narconon-what-next/

Source has also given you good information.  Do document EVERYTHING.

Please also let the forum know when he is out and home safely.  Best of luck!


Thanks, BigBeard, Heartbroken, Suppressive Person, and source, for being on top of things here.
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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2013, 19:53 »
I have chills reading your post as I brought my son home recently after learning the rehab he was at was a narconon based rehab through the internet as well. It was the scariest night of my life. My son was states away from me and I was scared to death I would never see him again. The tone in the "counselor's" voice and the way they spoke to me when I called my son to let him know I had a plane booked and he was leaving the next morning. They had my son call me back and he asked if I was ok. I could tell right away I was on speakerphone and they were trying to get details as to why I was bringing him home. It sounds to me as if they are trying to "feel you out". They probably suspect something is going on. You are doing the right thing! These people are unbelievably slick and good at what they do. I thank God every day for the internet and for these forums from people speaking about these scams. I would have never known and my son would call and beg to come home but we forced him to stay because we thought it we were doing the best thing for him. They told us he was a drug addict and he would lie and make up anything in order to get home and do drugs. We believed them and trusted them. My son was able to tell me to look them up on the internet that they were under investigation for insurance fraud. That is when I discovered what this rehab was all about and got him out. I can't explain the feeling of seeing my son face to face after being so intimated and scared of these horrible people who seemed so caring and nice while trying to get him there. Good luck to you and your family and hang in there!

Heartbroken, I am so glad you were able to get your son out!  Yes, they do quite frequently use the excuse with parents that the person is trying to get out to drink or use drugs again.  You mustn't blame yourself for making him stay, because as you say, they are very slick, and most people want to trust the people they've sent their loved one to for help.  I am glad he was able to tell you to look them up on the internet - they will say that it's all lies on the internet, but my question is, how is it so many people from all walks of like would tell such similar stories if they weren't true?

Thanks for telling us about your and your son's experience.   :OV--*  Please feel free to PM me if I can be of any help, and I'll send you some resources for filing complaints if you like.
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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2013, 20:01 »
Hi Stacy.

I'm sorry that I missed your post earlier, too. You've already received some good advice.

Aftercare is an excellent recommendation. See links and resources on Narconon Reviews.

Lengthy hours in sauna and high dosages of vitamins & minerals have been known to cause some side effects, potentially exacerbated in a body damaged by alcohol and drugs. If it was my son, I would have him evaluated at a doctor's office and have some labs drawn.
 
After you're back at home and you are sure son is ok, do check your insurance claims. Narconon has been the subject of investigations into insurance and credit card fraud in GA and other states.

Please let us know how everything works out when you are able.

Try to stay calm.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2013, 21:34 »
Phew. Glad you are here now Ethercat to help Stacy and her family.
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Stacy,
In answer to your question about phone calls, I do not know for certain if they listen in on the conversation though it is quite possible beings as under the circumstances he is probably using a staff phone with others present in the room as a form of intimidation. Regardless, it should not matter if they know your husband is coming as your son is an adult and can leave the program any time.

However, if they do suspect, the most they will do is scramble to find some contract for you or him to sign to silence all of you about your experiences there. Don't sign!  Don't sign anything!  Just leave.

Also, the on-line consulting service you called was not an objective service. It was a narconon staffed phone line and you never had a chance of being directed to anywhere other than a narconon/scientology based rehab. It is part of the scam.

 " they felt they needed to move my son back a few chapters in the program as he seems to be meeting "Resistance" to what he is being taught at the moment. "

It will be very interesting to learn what he was resisting.  No doubt you raised your son right Stacy and he realized he was "learning" things contrary to the values and intelligent critical thinking you instilled in him.

I will be thinking of all of you this evening and hoping for a quick reunion and safe return home with your son.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2013, 22:44 »
No insurance, paid cash!!!  Did have medical problems after being there, wont go into detail here, but we are VERY lucky we got him out when we did!!!  He and my husband are on the plane headed home.  Thank you for all of your support!!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2013, 00:02 »
No insurance, paid cash!!!  Did have medical problems after being there, wont go into detail here, but we are VERY lucky we got him out when we did!!!  He and my husband are on the plane headed home.  Thank you for all of your support!!!!!

You're welcome. Glad he is headed home!
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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2013, 05:53 »
Yay!
I was thinking of you all as I went to sleep and logged on first thing this morning to be sure your rescue went well.

There are numerous resources to help you all now, so please stay in touch.

Once you have all stabilized from this awful experience, I do hope you will consider reporting to various agencies and current investigators. Some of us are working tirelessly to expose and shut these dangerous facilities down to prevent families such as yourselves from being victims of this fraud.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2013, 10:32 »
Hi - I wanted to reply to the thread. This is Stacy's husband. I would like to thank all of you for the kindness, support and guidance you showed us while we figured out how to get him out. I was there yesterday,dealt with the "staff", went to the rat hole hotel on the other end of town where our son was living. I have seen this facility first hand. If I can assist please let me know. I am far from done with these people. Thanks again for the support.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2013, 11:01 »
Hi - I wanted to reply to the thread. This is Stacy's husband. I would like to thank all of you for the kindness, support and guidance you showed us while we figured out how to get him out. I was there yesterday,dealt with the "staff", went to the rat hole hotel on the other end of town where our son was living. I have seen this facility first hand. If I can assist please let me know. I am far from done with these people. Thanks again for the support.

Hi Stacy's Husband.   :)  I've just sent Stacy a PM with more information than I'm going to post publicly. 

I am so glad you are home with your son!  You are welcome for the help, and we'll continue to help in any way we can.  The best way you can help us is, when you're ready, to publicize the experience, to help other people avoid sending their loved ones there.  File complaints with the appropriate agencies (we'll help you with finding those), and let others know.  For right now, just take care of your son.   :)

Just to let the other forum members know, this involved the Narconon in Caliente, Nevada.  Goes by the names: Narconon Nevada, Rainbow Canyon Recovery, Rainbow Canyon Retreat, Rainbow Ranch, and possibly others (Narconon Fresh Start Las Vegas).

Nathan Baca did a story on it about a year ago: http://www.8newsnow.com/story/19968806/i-team-patients-cant-win-at-scientology-rehab-center

Very isolated out there, very rugged terrain.
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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2013, 11:17 »
Ethercat, I feel exactly the same way. I never told my son everything I found on the internet about the place he was in (MI) and slowly but surely, he divulges information and it is what I have read. Its very scary what they do and like you said, the stories are all the same. It just doesn't make sense to me, how these places can get away with lying like they do. It really is like the invasion of the body snatchers! Thank you for your kind words about not feeling guilty for making him stay. I am just so thankful to have gotten him out before they "had him".

Stacy, I am so glad you got your son! It is the best feeling in the world!

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2013, 15:20 »
Hi - I wanted to reply to the thread. This is Stacy's husband. I would like to thank all of you for the kindness, support and guidance you showed us while we figured out how to get him out. I was there yesterday,dealt with the "staff", went to the rat hole hotel on the other end of town where our son was living. I have seen this facility first hand. If I can assist please let me know. I am far from done with these people. Thanks again for the support.

Hi Stacy's Husband.   :)  I've just sent Stacy a PM with more information than I'm going to post publicly. 

I am so glad you are home with your son!  You are welcome for the help, and we'll continue to help in any way we can.  The best way you can help us is, when you're ready, to publicize the experience, to help other people avoid sending their loved ones there.  File complaints with the appropriate agencies (we'll help you with finding those), and let others know.  For right now, just take care of your son.   :)

Just to let the other forum members know, this involved the Narconon in Caliente, Nevada.  Goes by the names: Narconon Nevada, Rainbow Canyon Recovery, Rainbow Canyon Retreat, Rainbow Ranch, and possibly others (Narconon Fresh Start Las Vegas).

Nathan Baca did a story on it about a year ago: http://www.8newsnow.com/story/19968806/i-team-patients-cant-win-at-scientology-rehab-center

Very isolated out there, very rugged terrain.


Aren't the Nevada NN's the ones operating without a license, or at least without the proper license? Or am I mixing them up with one of the Cailfornia multi-name NN's?

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2013, 20:03 »
Welcome, Stacy, Stacy's husband and Heartbroken1234!! It's wonderful to know you were able to get your loved ones out without a problem. Thank you all for sharing about your experiences.

Please do visit http://narcononreviews for more information on how to choose a rehab in the event you need factual resources on what to look for. And while you are there, please take a look at the Narconon Survey and fill one out when you have a chance.

I am a volunteer advocate for victims of the Narconon scam. I am a former scientologist. I post anonymously. Mary McConnell is my long time nom de plume. Feel free to contact me for assistance in righting the wrongs.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2013, 20:08 »
Hi - I wanted to reply to the thread. This is Stacy's husband. I would like to thank all of you for the kindness, support and guidance you showed us while we figured out how to get him out. I was there yesterday,dealt with the "staff", went to the rat hole hotel on the other end of town where our son was living. I have seen this facility first hand. If I can assist please let me know. I am far from done with these people. Thanks again for the support.

Hi Stacy's Husband.   :)  I've just sent Stacy a PM with more information than I'm going to post publicly. 

I am so glad you are home with your son!  You are welcome for the help, and we'll continue to help in any way we can.  The best way you can help us is, when you're ready, to publicize the experience, to help other people avoid sending their loved ones there.  File complaints with the appropriate agencies (we'll help you with finding those), and let others know.  For right now, just take care of your son.   :)

Just to let the other forum members know, this involved the Narconon in Caliente, Nevada.  Goes by the names: Narconon Nevada, Rainbow Canyon Recovery, Rainbow Canyon Retreat, Rainbow Ranch, and possibly others (Narconon Fresh Start Las Vegas).

Nathan Baca did a story on it about a year ago: http://www.8newsnow.com/story/19968806/i-team-patients-cant-win-at-scientology-rehab-center

Very isolated out there, very rugged terrain.


Aren't the Nevada NN's the ones operating without a license, or at least without the proper license? Or am I mixing them up with one of the Cailfornia multi-name NN's?

Narconon in Nevada ( aka Rainbow Canyon Retreat ) is owned by Narconon Fresh Start in CA. The facility is not licensed BUT there is some loophold that NAthan BAca has been trying to get the legislature to help pass to close it so facilitis like NN are not allowed to operate.

The NV facility counselors are not licensed by the state and the one counselor promoting it on the internet was handed a cease and desist order from the drug counseling licensing bureau there. There is little the state can do because the counselors and facility are not licensed. If they were licensed and had violations, then something could be done. Wish we had some more advocates in NV to help push this, as Nathan can only do so much as a reporter.
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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2013, 12:02 »
Hi - I wanted to reply to the thread. This is Stacy's husband. I would like to thank all of you for the kindness, support and guidance you showed us while we figured out how to get him out. I was there yesterday,dealt with the "staff", went to the rat hole hotel on the other end of town where our son was living. I have seen this facility first hand. If I can assist please let me know. I am far from done with these people. Thanks again for the support.

 Great to hear you got your son out of there. Tell you a little story about that facility your son was at and how small of a world we live in.

 A friend of our family had a member that was very much in need of addiction intervention. The parent (Mother) was at wits end as this was not the first time her son needed to go to rehab. She too took to the internet and called a referral site highly placed on Google.

In the space to 2 days her son was placed unbeknownst to her in a NarCONon facility. The very same facility your son ended up at.

The whole thing was very quick and well orchestrated. Once the mother agreed to place her son,her credit card was charged. Then an individual(Interventionist?) flew in from Texas 2 days later and escorted the son to Caliente, Nevada.

Once there he came to the realization he was at a facility that based its treatment on the writings of L Ron Hubbard. That realization occurred one or two days after his arrival.
Apparently due to whatever, his first days were spent at a small hotel next to a liquor store before he got a room at the facility.

He called his mother in desperation. The mother having gone through this turmoil of repeated rehab visits though concerned made the decision to keep him there.

That is when I came into the picture. She was made aware of my knowledge as to what narCONon was and we spoke multiple times during the early days of his admittance to narCONon Caliente.

I explained as best as I could what her son would be in for and the probable outcome of his stay. I knew she was really torn as to what to do.She was concerned about the scientology aspect of the program,but was glad her son was in her mind in a safe environment away for bad influences.

I learned as an outsider it is in the end up to the client and or their family to make the final decision in regard to treatment. Though the son wanted out of the facility,his mother thought it best he stick it out.

Well he did stick it out. This whole affair happened 2 plus years ago. He did not receive the needed tools to cope with his addiction what so ever. He is currently in a REAL treatment program and is making good progress I am told.

If there is something all have learned from this experience both on my end and the families is that you MUST even in a time of duress vet who,when,what and where your loved one will get the best treatment. Only after the fact have many found a high ranking position during a Google search did not equate into a good end user experience.

On that note,I wish you and your family good luck. Things will work out just fine.

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Re: Getting my son out of a Narconon facility as we speak
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2013, 13:17 »
Hi - I wanted to reply to the thread. This is Stacy's husband. I would like to thank all of you for the kindness, support and guidance you showed us while we figured out how to get him out. I was there yesterday,dealt with the "staff", went to the rat hole hotel on the other end of town where our son was living. I have seen this facility first hand. If I can assist please let me know. I am far from done with these people. Thanks again for the support.

Hi Stacy's Husband.   :)  I've just sent Stacy a PM with more information than I'm going to post publicly. 

I am so glad you are home with your son!  You are welcome for the help, and we'll continue to help in any way we can.  The best way you can help us is, when you're ready, to publicize the experience, to help other people avoid sending their loved ones there.  File complaints with the appropriate agencies (we'll help you with finding those), and let others know.  For right now, just take care of your son.   :)

Just to let the other forum members know, this involved the Narconon in Caliente, Nevada.  Goes by the names: Narconon Nevada, Rainbow Canyon Recovery, Rainbow Canyon Retreat, Rainbow Ranch, and possibly others (Narconon Fresh Start Las Vegas).

Nathan Baca did a story on it about a year ago: http://www.8newsnow.com/story/19968806/i-team-patients-cant-win-at-scientology-rehab-center

Very isolated out there, very rugged terrain.


Aren't the Nevada NN's the ones operating without a license, or at least without the proper license? Or am I mixing them up with one of the Cailfornia multi-name NN's?

Narconon in Nevada ( aka Rainbow Canyon Retreat ) is owned by Narconon Fresh Start in CA. The facility is not licensed BUT there is some loophold that NAthan BAca has been trying to get the legislature to help pass to close it so facilitis like NN are not allowed to operate.

The NV facility counselors are not licensed by the state and the one counselor promoting it on the internet was handed a cease and desist order from the drug counseling licensing bureau there. There is little the state can do because the counselors and facility are not licensed. If they were licensed and had violations, then something could be done. Wish we had some more advocates in NV to help push this, as Nathan can only do so much as a reporter.

Talk about a "Catch-22"! They're not licensed, so the state can't do anything except tell them not to advertise because they're not licensed? There has to be something, food handling certificates, food prep facility cleanliness, or whatever, the state can use to stop this travesty until a better certification law is passed.

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