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What happens in narconon?
« on: January 12, 2010, 19:52 »
This was posted to ARS by Fred Rice.  As he says, there's no way to tell if it's a hoax or a spoof, but it has elements I have read about elsewhere - so if it is a spoof, it's written by someone who's done their homework.  To me, it sounds true.

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From: frice@skeptictank.org (DamOTclese)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.true-crime,alt.true.crime
Subject: Another Scientology NarCONon fraud report
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:58:25 GMT
Message-ID: <v5SdnR1Pqtr6bNbWnZ2dnUVZ_qKdnZ2d@posted.sonicnet>

I removed some of the following text (after getting permission to post
this or otherwise use it in the effort to stop Scientology) to eliminate
personal names and such however the text is otherwise not altered.

Note the "Scieno-speak" rhetoric and phrasing. Also note the claim that
the insane criminals are starting to run people past "doctors" -- no way
to tell if they're real, non-Scientology, actually recognized Doctors.

Also there's no way to tell if this is a hoax or spoof.

-=-

Hello,

I had just discovered your website by my boyfriend. He wanted to show me
the truth about my treatment at Narconon [Colorado.] I was at Narconon for
5 months exactly and finished the program and there are a few things I
wanted to cover... maybe this is just the [Colorado] organization.

When I first came to Narconon, for the first few days, I was put into the
withdrawal area. In that area, they ran us in session on light objectives
and assists and a lot of other crazy things. True we slept eight hours but
all day we'd run this stuff to bring us into present time.

Once out of Withdrawal, we could rejoin the rest of the students. We could
also call home. Then we got into book 1 of the program doing TRs. We had
to stare in eachothers eyes for hours on end and couldn't move or we had
to start over. We couldn't even look away. We had to do things multiple
things over and over again until nearly driven insane.

Book 2 was Sauna, I sat in a sauna for 5 hours a day taking up to 5000 mg
of niacin. They told us the rash and burning was normal. They made us run
for a half hour before getting into the sauna and true, we would have
smoke breaks every half hour but all day, it was vitamins, oil,
calcium-magnesium, and a lot of other stuff.

In order to get into sauna, we had topass an exam at the doctor. If we
didn't meet the cirteria, they would push us every day to try to get in. I
saw a few people with heart problems that were on medication for heart
pressure get into sauna, when they met the heart pressure required for
sauna, they took them to the doctor immediately to get a doctors
evaluation and put them into sauna right away.

Also, while in sauna, if you started to see things or trip out, you had to
stay in til the visions or things went away. this could last even longer
than the regular five hours.

In objectives, you were paired up with a twin. You ran these things over
and over for hours. One staff member had actually said,"You can get away
with murder on objectives in court."

One kid threw a bottle so hard, it made a dent in the wall. That could
have been a person! You had to get the right cognition to finish a certain
objective... it could take days!

In the sixth book, you had to write OW's (Overts and Withholds) You had to
write all the bad things you had ever done. All the times you drank, did a
drug, hurt someone, made someone feel bad, let someone hurt you.

One person had to write an OW with the title "I let him rape me" She had
to write in detail how she had let a man rape her and then, this girl,
when she kept getting upset about it, they made her find a picture of her
rapist and do a reach and withdrawl on it. She had to look at a picture of
her rapist for an hour straight pointing at it until she stopped crying.

There were also specified med times throught out the progam. We could only
go in three times out of the day. If we didn't get there in time, we did
not get our meds and we got a chit. The chit system worked like this. One
chit-Wednesday or Sunday course, Two chits-Wednesday and Sunday course,
three-five chits, we would also have a week of dishes and /or a day of
mest. Chits are when you did something against the rules.

Mest would also be thrown your way if you did something really bad. If you
talked badly to a staff member, made fun of scientology, or left the
program and came back... you'd have days-weeks of mest which were to
conisist of hard labor expected of a construction worker. Anything staff
didn't want to do.

You'd lift immense weight, dig holes, dig out stumps... all kinds of
stupid stuff.

Some people while on the Sauna program, if they had mest, they would make
it up right after sauna. Out of sauna you started mest at 8:30 am and
finished at 8 pm.

In sauna, you would be in sauna fron 9 am to 1:30 pm and you would have
mest from 3pm to 8 pm when you were already worn out. We also had daily
chores every morning and dishes twice a week. When on mest, you have
dishes three times a day and hard labor the rest of the day.

Also, the whole religion thing, I knew a girl who believed in tarot, they
would not let her have her tarot cards! They wouldn't let her have certain
books.

ANYTHING! They would take us to church once a week but... that was the
only religion they let in the place.

If you want more information, feel free to write me back... I just wanted
to tell you thank you! The whole time before I finished the program, I
wanted to get away.

I told everyone they were trying to brain wash me and that they were
messing with my head. My boyfriend is the only one who believed me. My
mother still believes it helped. Luckily, I wanted to quit drugs and
really... I just needed the time to detox. I've been sober for months now
and I can honestly tell you, it was NO thank to Narconon.

They made me miserable everyday! So, thank you, for speaking out for us,
the ones that lost themselves to a devious cult. I would prefer to remain
anonymous until such time as I can get my money back without my mother
freaking out because those scientologists brainwashed her too!

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Followup by Mary McConnell, which I'm including so people can find her survey on narconon:

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Good for her on contacting you!!

I love your blogs on Narconon and I am sure that this is one of the big
rewards that keep them going.

If possible, keep her email addrss handy if we ever get a  class action
lawsuit going ( probably after the labor lawsuits). I'm collecting surveys
on all victims that contact me, on how they got lured in, by whom, etc,
besides doing what I can to get complaints out and assisting in helping
those  who actually paid for the program to get refunds or prorated
refunds. I have lots of docs up at http://www.scribd.com/anonymary

If she has questions on getting her money back, give her this info:

My survey can be found  at my blog - which has my email address
http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com/2009/01/victims-of-scientology-complaints.html
and on the latest forum for introducing the truth about scientology called
' Reaching for the Tipping Point ' run by Ethercat and some Atlanta Anons
( which omitted my email address to avoid spammers getting it)
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php?topic=456.0

It may be a minor victory, and certainly isn't very dramatic, but I did have occasion today to warn someone away from narconon; this person's wife has a drug problem - she will not be going to narconon for her rehab. 
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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 20:25 »
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One person had to write an OW with the title "I let him rape me" She had
to write in detail how she had let a man rape her and then, this girl,
when she kept getting upset about it, they made her find a picture of her
rapist and do a reach and withdrawl on it. She had to look at a picture of
her rapist for an hour straight pointing at it until she stopped crying.

Going on the idea that this is actually true and an honest account that makes me honestly sick.  Such an abuse of the relationship between a person in treatment and those who are supposed to be supporting them and helping them through their addictions.  I'm sure they keep all that crap as records do like the auditing stuff.


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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 20:33 »
Not to mention the whole idea of the sauna and megadoses of Niacin for someone in withdrawal who may possibly have liver damage from alcohol and/or other substance abuse. Not safe, IMO.
The ultimate authority must always rest with the individual's own reason and critical analysis.
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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 20:41 »
 After I finished laughing upon reading this, I hope no one is taking this article seriously. It is either a hoax or a spoof. :D

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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 20:45 »
After I finished laughing upon reading this, I hope no one is taking this article seriously. It is either a hoax or a spoof. :D

Why do you think that, ST?  Educate us.
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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 20:54 »
After I finished laughing upon reading this, I hope no one is taking this article seriously. It is either a hoax or a spoof. :D

Why do you think that, ST?  Educate us.
The "I had just discovered your website by my boyfriend." and the lingo a newbie would never use. "they ran us in session on light objectives
and assists and a lot of other crazy things". Obvious is painfully obvious!

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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 20:59 »
The website being referred to is Fred Rice's crackpots.us site, a narconon critical site.  The letter is (edit) allegedly from someone who had attended the narconon program for 5 months, drilled every day in scienospeak. 
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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 21:17 »
The website being referred to is Fred Rice's crackpots.us site, a narconon critical site.  The letter is (edit) allegedly from someone who had attended the narconon program for 5 months, drilled every day in scienospeak.
Meh. It just sounds fishy to me. I am glad Fred did question the credibility of the post.

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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 21:29 »
Need to look this phrase up."Chits are when you did something against the rules". I think it is slang for something else. Maybe british?

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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2010, 06:06 »
It's apparently a scientology term.  "Ethics chit"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_%28Scientology%29
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"When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report. In an ancient army a particularly brave deed was recognized by an award of the title of Kha-Khan. It was not a rank. The person remained what he was, BUT he was entitled to be forgiven the death penalty ten times in case in the future he did anything wrong. That was a Kha-Khan. That's what producing, high-statistic staff members are - Kha-Khans. They can get away with murder without a blink from Ethics.... And Ethics must recognize a Kha-Khan when it sees one - and tear up the bad report chits on the person with a yawn." [5]
Hubbard Communications Office, HCOPL 1 Sep 1965, "Ethics Protection".

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/dst/www/Stop-Narconon/Watsonville/ripoffreport-522216-narconon.html
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The "beaches" they like to advertise will only be seen after students complete book 4 (approx 2-3months into the program conservatively), and then only on Sundays, and then only if the majority of students going out on Sunday vote for the beach (doesn't happen), and then only if an individual student has 0 "chits" for the entire week. One recieves a "chit" for being 1+ second late to roll call (called ~6x/day), doesn't clean his room to the supervisors standards, his roomates (plural) don't clean their stuff to a supervisors standard daily, if the student does anything any "faculty" (ie. ex-addicts a number of whom will plainly admit that although they graduated the program they would be incapable of remaining clean if they did not work/live/eat with and at Narconon Vista Bay - In my opinion becoming a prisoner for life at Narconon is not a success story), etc. etc.
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Allow me to diverge quickly into "ethics cycles" and how one gets them. An ethics cycle where if they feel you have gone out of line (anything from a negative L. Ron comment, a negative comment about the effectiveness of the program or the faculty, or 3 chits) you are forced to stop your program, confess to whatever they acuse you of (this is done by signing a paper to that effect), and performing manual labor (such as raking leaves, digging holes - not even kidding - etc.) for approximately a week; although the exact time is determined by the ethics officers. On one occasion a bad storm hit and a number of branches fell down. In the subsequent day a number of students recieved ethics duty for minor-imaginary infractions. Needless to say they saved Narconon money cleaning up the branches. After the fallout of the storm was cleared the students were all taken off ethics...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&num=100&q=%22ethics+chit%22+narconon&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2010, 11:07 »
I did not know Robert V. Schmidt (dentist) and V.P/CFO of narCONon of Ga was also Pres of CCHR here in Ga.

http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/entity.php?ntt=772

http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/address.php?address_id=301

I also come to understand, narCONon of Ga run's roughly 140 to 160 clients through its program per year. (As of 2008).

Wonder what percentage of those students/clients end up drinking the  kool aid Mary Rieser serves! ;D

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Re: What happens in narconon?
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2010, 20:23 »
I did not know Robert V. Schmidt (dentist) and V.P/CFO of narCONon of Ga was also Pres of CCHR here in Ga.

http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/entity.php?ntt=772

http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/address.php?address_id=301

CCHR doesn't have much of a presence here in Ga.  Basically an office in a dumpy rented building, unless something's changed in the last year or so.  Of course, they probably do a lot of lobbying and letter-writing from that office.

Schmidt was at some of the Sandy Springs zoning meetings, I think, and he was one of the people who took our photos at the Feb. and March 2008 pickets. 

http://www.atlantadentalcenter.com/dr-schmidt.php
He shares a practice with Joel Benk: http://www.atlantadentalcenter.com/about-practice.php who was also at some of the zoning meetings.  There's also this: http://drbenk.com/

Both were big contributors to the SS Idle Org.  One of them, I forget which one, had an unfortunate incident where a dental tool slipped down a patient's throat because he hadn't used a dental dam.  Ouch.  And he was sued.

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I also come to understand, narCONon of Ga run's roughly 140 to 160 clients through its program per year. (As of 2008).

About a dozen a month, in other words.  I believe some may be funneled in through out-of-state-court-ordered rehab, but I don't have any docs on this.  If someone wants to talk to people at a narconon protest, it might be a friendly thing to ask them where they're from.

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Wonder what percentage of those students/clients end up drinking the  kool aid Mary Rieser serves! ;D

If the current state of the state of the org is anything to judge by, not many!   ;)
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