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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #100 on: December 26, 2010, 19:45 »
LOL!  This thing is just full of odd little comments.

Ms. Jones is Andrea Cantrell Jones of Dillard & Galloway.

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1 Q And then on the bridge there's an ethics
2 office. What is that about?
3 A That is where someone would go to receive some
4 suggested study in an area of deficiency in their life
5 where they have a hard time maintaining their integrity.
6 Q Okay.
7 A Was that well spoken?
8 MS. JONES: Yeah.
9 Q (By Ms. Henderson) All right.
10 MS. JONES: Don't want to go to the
11 ethics office.
12 MS. HENDERSON: You sound like you've
13 been there.
14 THE WITNESS: Well, haven't we all in
15 some fashion.

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22 Q What about the larger course room that's in
23 the bottom of that central portion?
24 A Yeah. That would be what's called TRs and
25 objectives. And that is a -- that is a practice room.
1 It's typically very noisy. ...

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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #101 on: December 26, 2010, 21:42 »
Something current members might want to think about before starting on "the bridge":

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1 Q Is there a point in time in which a bridge can
2 be completed?
3 A There is. Currently we have a specific
4 portion of the bridge that is available, yet there are
5 additional courses of study that have yet to be
6 released, and there are some requisite conditions that
7 have been outlined by the founder before they can be
8 released. And getting the ideal organizations all
9 established is one of those prerequisites.

10 Q So at this point in time the bridge cannot be
11 completed because all of the components have not yet
12 been released?
13 A That is correct.

Is this a Miscavige prerequisite, or a Hubbard one?  Can anyone point to where Hubbard said this?

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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #102 on: December 26, 2010, 22:05 »
I think Ms. Henderson gets it.   ;)

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14 I mean, it's just so -- it just
15 vacillates so very much. But Hubbard demands that
16 you have the space there and available on demand so
17 that if you had two people who walked in to the
18 church and on this day there was no Dianetic
19 seminar scheduled and they wanted that Dianetic
20 seminar, that the guy who's responsible for
21 delivering that would show up in there and deliver
22 that seminar to those two people. It's an on
23 demand kind of religion.

24 Q (By Ms. Henderson) There aren't many of those
25 around.

Q: An on demand kind of religion? 
A: Yeah, we demand money, they pay it.

Lol, we need to put together a Deb Danos priceless quotes post.
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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #103 on: December 27, 2010, 09:36 »
Within Allan Cartwrights affidavit, and his explanation of the tenets of scientology, nowhere do I see mention use of the E-Meter in the auditing process. Is not the E-Meter the foundation in which a scientologist gains knowledge of one self? I wonder why Mr Cartwright failed to make reference to this oh so holiest of holy devices?

I guess he didn't consider it relevant to parking issues or religious discrimination.  I would probably agree with him there.
  Mr Allan Cartwrights affidavit did not speak of or on religious discrimination or parking issues. As I reread the document, training,auditing and delivery of services per LRH were the bullet points. I still question why he would go into what a "Thetan" is, then how important auditing is, without fully explaining how the auditing process is accomplished within an idle org per LRH or DM's interpretation of LRH,s writings.

 I took the AC affidavit as an explanation or attempted explanation of what scientology is and how it is practiced. As I read more of the documents, it is becoming clear to me why C of S of Ga had not attempted to move into its 2005 purchased property in Sandy Springs. David Miscaviges manipulation of the works of LRH led to the rerelease of the "Basic's".

 This redefined what an "Ideal Org" was to be, both size and service delivery wise. RTC/CSI through David Miscavige and his need to meddle with what LRH meant for his so-called church has caused the local scientologists in Georgia to "NOT MEET" the so-called mother churches "NEW" definition of what constitutes an "Ideal Org".

 The local scientology community was screwed from day one with their purchase of the Sandy Springs property. David Miscavige was the cause. The RLUIPA law suit is the effect.

 I now understand why the building was never occupied after the 2005 purchase. SP David Miscavige has seen to that.

 Altered Basic's release via David Miscavige + 2005 Georgia scientologists Sandy Springs property purchase= Perfect fail storm.

 In a weird way I kinda feel sorry for the local culties. They appear to be following the old man (L Ron Hubbard) yet have been screwed by their sociopathic current leader, David Miscavige.

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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #104 on: December 27, 2010, 20:58 »
Very interesting, and I appreciate the quoted bits.
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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #105 on: December 27, 2010, 22:34 »
Funny how so few people attend Sunday Service - and that only 7 of 600 supposed members are ministers, lol Funny too how Debbie admits that she had not attended service for at least 6 months, lol. Some "church member". This says alot about the service... and the membership

Defendant's MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT
COME NOW the City of Sandy Springs, Georgia, and its named elected officials, Defendants in the above-styled action and file this their Memorandum of Law in Support of their Motion for Summary Judgment.

FACTUAL BACKGROUND
Plaintiff, the Church of Scientology of Georgia, is a religious organization that operates a church in Dunwoody, Georgia serving a state-wide congregation of 600 members, 100 of whom are currently active. Complaint ¶¶ 1, 17, 19. Plaintiff is the only Church of Scientology in the state and is classified within the religion as a “Class Five Organization.”1 Deposition

1 Scientology facilities are classified in one of four ways - as groups, missions, Class Five organizations, or advanced organizations. Wright Dep. p. 10-12. This classification is based on the size of the facilities, membership, and the types of services provided at the facility. Id. at 8-14.
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Case 1:10-cv-00082-CAP Document 43-1 Filed 12/21/10 Page 1 of 28
of Deborah Danos, p. 40, hereinafter “Danos Dep.”; Deposition of Robert Wright, p. 10-12, hereinafter “Wright Dep.”
In 2005, to accommodate future growth, Plaintiff sought to purchase a new facility. Complaint ¶ 20. The Church of Scientology International (CSI)2 mandated that all new church facilities conform to the template of a “Class Five Ideal Organization.” Complaint ¶ 35; Danos Dep. p. 50-51. While CSI had established some guidelines on the types of services to be provided in a “Class Five Ideal Organization,” as of 2005 it had yet to complete its study of the minimum space requirements necessary to house those services. Wright Dep. p. 44-46.

Despite this lack of guidance, in mid-2005 Plaintiff purchased an office building at 5395 Roswell Road, Sandy Springs, Georgia (the “Subject Property”). Complaint ¶¶ 37, 38; Doc. 42-2 p. 12. Situated on 1.78 acres, the Subject Property contains 32,053 square feet of improved office space in three finished stories as well as an 11,193 square foot basement parking garage. Complaint ¶¶ 37, 38; Declaration of Nancy J. Leathers ¶ 5, hereinafter “Leathers Decl.” The site is served by a total of 111 parking spaces – 51 on-site surface spaces, 30 on-site garage spaces, and 30 spaces provided for by an easement on the neighboring post office property. Complaint ¶ 48, Doc.

2 This is the senior ecclesiastical management church for the Scientology religion. Complaint ¶ 34.2

Case 1:10-cv-00082-CAP Document 43-1 Filed 12/21/10 Page 2 of 28
42-2 p. 22. There is no other available off-site or public parking within the vicinity of the Subject Property to handle potential overflow. Leathers Decl. ¶ 5.
http://alley.ethercat.com/storage/RLUIPA/12-21-2010_Defendents_Motion_for_Summary_Judgement-43-1.pdf

12 Q How many ministers are associated with Georgia
13 Scientology?
14 A Well, let's see. I can tell you how many are
15 on staff. Beyond that, I just have no idea.
16 Q That's a better question. How many are on
17 staff?
18 A Currently on staff -- let me make a quick
19 count here. Seven, I believe, roughly. This might not
20 be exact, but I believe seven are ministers.
21 Q And does Georgia Scientology hold Sunday
22 services at the present time?
23 A Yes, we do.
24 Q What is the average attendance at a Sunday
25 service?
Case 1:10-cv-00082-CAP Document 44-1 Filed 12/21/10 Page 45 of 128
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1 A I can only tell you from my personal
2 observation which has not been recent. But the last
3 time I was in the Sunday service or looked in on the
4 Sunday service there were eight to ten people there.
5 Q Okay. And how long ago was that?
6 A Probably six months ago.
7 Q How long does that Sunday service last?
8 A It's an hour.
9 Q Okay. Does Georgia Scientology offer course
10 work and auditing at the same time as the Sunday service
11 is happening?
12 A They could. It could. But typically you will
13 have people who are welcome to leave the course room and
14 attend the Sunday service. So sometimes everyone in the
15 course room goes and sometimes only two or three people
16 will go. If you are in a counseling session, then there
17 is no interruption.
18 Q Okay.
19 A So you could conceivably be appointmented to
20 counseling while Sunday service is going on.
21 Q How long do counseling appointments last?
22 A They vary greatly from individual to
23 individual. So the length of time is a judgment call
24 essentially on the part of the minister.
25 Q Is there a range that you can give me as to an

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1 average range?
2 A Anywhere from 15 minutes to three or four
3 hours.
4 Q Okay. Well, that's a range. So on any given
5 Sunday there will be a Sunday service of approximately
6 an hour's duration?
7 A Mm-hmm.
8 Q There will be training programs going on,
9 participants of which may or may not leave to attend the
10 Sunday service?
11 A Mm-hmm.
12 Q And there may be auditing going on at the same
13 time; is that correct?
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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #106 on: December 27, 2010, 22:39 »
Mary. To your knowledge, has Deb Danos ever appeared in other court cases? Has she ever been deposed?

 Quoted from Deborah Quinn Danos deposition

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23 Q (By Ms. Henderson) Have you ever been deposed
24 before?
25 A No.

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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #107 on: December 28, 2010, 00:08 »
Mary. To your knowledge, has Deb Danos ever appeared in other court cases? Has she ever been deposed?

Quoted from Deborah Quinn Danos deposition

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23 Q (By Ms. Henderson) Have you ever been deposed
24 before?
25 A No.

To my knowledge, no. But she is being sued by CITIFINANCIAL SERVICES INC in Dekalb Co Court and is a defendent with C of S in the lease breach of contract lawsuit in that county.

DANOS  DEBORAH   DEFENDANT  10M92513  Magistrate Civil Suits  Magistrate
Citifinancial Services Inc Vs Deborah Danos  22-NOV-2010  OPEN Case: 10M92513 (Open) CITIFINANCIAL SERVICES INC VS DEBORAH DANOS
Filing Date: 11/22/2010 Type: Magistrate Civil Suits
Judge: Berryl A. Anderson Magistrate Court
Secondary: General Civil Other
Tertiary:
 Docket Entries           
Description Filing Date Text Assoc. Party?
 SERVICE, PERSONAL  24-NOV-2010  JCW  Yes
 FILING FEE  22-NOV-2010  AO-25.00 SER CK#1046344553  No
 PAYMENT  22-NOV-2010  A Payment of -$76.50 was made on receipt MCMA204214.
 
and

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF GEORGIA INC.  DEFENDANT  10CV13242  Superior General Civil  Superior  Waterford Park Vs. Church Of Scientology (Tb) 
23-NOV-2010  OPEN 
Case Information           
Case: 10CV13242 (Open) WATERFORD PARK VS. CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY (TB) Filing Date: 11/23/2010 Type: Superior General Civil
Judge: GAIL C. FLAKE Superior Court
Secondary: Breach Of Contract
   
    Parties           
Party Type
WATERFORD PARK LLC Plaintiff
    GOLOMB, JEFFREY Attorney
PS ENERGY GROUP INC Plaintiff
    GOLOMB, JEFFREY Attorney
J K COMPLEX LLC Assignee Of
    GOLOMB, JEFFREY Attorney
CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF GEORGIA INC. Defendant  
   Docket Entries           
Description Filing Date Text Assoc. Party?
 NO SERVICE  03-DEC-2010  DEFENDANT DEBORAH DANOS MOVED, VACANT SUITE. (WS)  No
 
MISCELLANEOUS  24-NOV-2010  SHERIFF SERVICE SENT. (WS)  No
 
COMPLAINT FILED  23-NOV-2010  FOR BREACH OF COMMERCIAL LEASE, WITH EXHIBITS AND ATTACHMENTS. RECEIPT #661 AMOU...more  No
 
REQUEST  23-NOV-2010  FOR ADMISSION OF FACTS AND GENUINENESS OF DOCUMENTS (NW)  No
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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #108 on: December 29, 2010, 13:38 »
 Having read Deborah Quinn Danos deposition several times, I come to the conclusion something is very amiss in many of her responses. I think Deb Danos is not telling the truth in that deposition. This is just my personal opinion.

 Why or how do I come by this opinion? Well, a simple Google search revealed a wealth of online public information on Deborah Danos, Former DSA out of Denver/Boulder Colorado. For someone who acts as though she does not or claims to not know the inner working of her so called religious organization, I will let you the reader come to your own conclusion on why she could be so vague about several things asked in the Sandy Springs deposition, yet seems to be the go to girl as DSA back in the mid 1990'S in Colorado.

 For clarification, please reread Deborah Quinn Danos Sandy Springs deposition, then read the links and information I have added to this thread.

 http://mektek.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t109872-50.html

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Hello, Last week this email below was sent to you. This week Our Org received notice that a group called "Anonymous"will be picketing the Org on 10 feb.2008. That is next sunday. Please check your email often this coming week,because we want everyone there for support, to be on course, to man the VM tent and perhaps some other actions as well. You will be receiving an email from our DSA Deb Danos mid-week. Now is the time to support the Org!


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The dumbest move of the picket was
when DSA of Denver, Deb Danos had the sign saying "Wollersheim used
Penny."   

http://www.skeptictank.org/gs/sci544.htm

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cut to Deb Danos speaking to the crowd who has gathered
around to listen-

http://www.xenu.net/archive/CourtFiles/occf11.html


http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=32898&p=381863&hilit=Deb+Danos#p381863

http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/Bob_Penny/Marshals_raid_homes_of_former_Scientologists.txt
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Deborah Danos, director of special affairs for the church, said the
information Penny put on the Internet is not readily available to the
public. It can be obtained only as each member advances to the next step
of "spiritual enlightenment."

"There is freedom of speech, but not freedom to break copyrights," Danos
said at Penny's home on Tuesday. "He's making a mockery of it ...
spreading (material) around the world and saying 'Look how ridiculous this
is.' " The church became aware of the sit uation when one of its members
found the information about Scientology on the Internet.

Danos said the church will not allow it to continue.
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From The Boulder Daily Camera Aug 23 1995 Font Page


HEADLINE: Marshals raid homes of former Scientologists

SUB HEADER: ACLU lawyer sees appalling lack of due process

By DOUG COSPER
Camera Staff Writer


Delegations of Scientologists searched two Boulder County homes Tuesday
under the protection of federal marshals, seizing thousands of dollars in
computer equipment and data they claim were used to violate copyrights on
"sacred scriptures."

Directors of FACTNet, an Internet bulletin board dedicated largely to
criticizing the church of Scientology, said after the simultaneous raids
that the Scientologists also got a bonus: a list of thousands of their
enemies.

An American Civil Liberties Union lawyer at one raid in Boulder called the
action "appalling."

"With my own eyes, I witnessed a member of Scientology going through
drawers and closets," said Denver attorney David Lane. "What kind of a
country is this when your sworn enemy can go into your house and rummage
through your drawers at the point of a fed eral marshal's gun?"

The Church of Scientology, founded 40 years ago by science fiction writer
L. Ron Hubbard, teaches that technology can expand the mind and help solve
human problems. It can cost thousands of dollars for initiates to progress
through the church's teachings and counseling. Church spokeswoman Karin
Pouw said the organization has 8 million members worldwide.

Beginning about 9 a.m., parties of federal marshals and Scientology
members entered the homes of Lawrence Wollersheim in Boulder and Bob Penny
in Niwot. Both men are former Scientologists who turned against the church
after being excommunicated.

(See HOMES, Page 2A)

HEADLINE: Homes of ex-Scientologists raided (From Page 1A)

Denver copyright lawyer Todd Blakely, who was at the Wollersheim raid to
represent the church, said the marshals were enforcing a federal seizure
warrant for Scientology "religious text" protected by federal copyright
and trade secret laws. Pouw, who flew with colleagues from Los Angeles for
the actions, said the men had posted protected "religious secrets" on the
Internet newsgroup "alt.religion.scientology" and threatened to continue.

The church "scriptures" are guarded under lock and key at six locations
across the globe, said Blakely, who is not a church member. Pouw said that
because only members who had "reached a certain level in the church" had
access to them, a church member must have stolen them.

"It's our constitutional right to have religious secrets," Pouw said.
"(Wollersheim) is on a hate campaign against Scientology, and he's chosen
the wrong target."

Wollersheim, who said he was a part-time computer consultant, said FACTNet
is a nonprofit archive "dedicated to exposing information on dangerous
cults and mind control." He called Scientology "the largest secret satanic
cult in the world."

Wollersheim, 46, who was a Scientologist from age 18 to 29, said he won a
$30 million verdict against the church in a previous lawsuit. Pouw said
Wollersheim has not collected any of the $2.5 million reduced award.
Wollersheim also is helping Time magazin e defend against a $470 million
libel suit the church filed following a 1991 news story about the church.
The raids were not the first by the church against critics who would
publish what the church calls protected material. Acting on a similar
federal warrant, the church a few weeks ago seized former Scientologist
minister Dennis Erlich's computer diskettes and files from his Glendale,
Calif., home.

On Aug. 12, a raid shut down Virginia critic Arnaldo Lerma, a 44year-old
former member.

"This raid is not about copyrighted documents, it's about the church
beating up on its adversaries," Wollersheim said.

U.S. Marshal Chief Deputy Larry Homenick said the federal marshals were
enforcing a private civil seizure brought by the church and ordered by a
federal court in Denver.

"Our only role is to provide a law enforcement presence and execute the
order of the court. We allow the plaintiff (the church) to seize the
property: We don't have the expertise to identify the objects. We
inventory it and hand it over to them pending further litigation,"
Homenick said.

Along with the seized computer hardware and software, data storage devices
and paper documents, the Scientologists took a mailing list of 8,50d
"donors and former church members" who support FACTNet and "who are very
afraid of Scientology," Wollersheim sa id.

Attorney Lane said: "There are names of persons in these files who have
escaped Scientology and changed their names, started new lives.: They're
now in the hands of Scientologists."

Pouw said the church would do nothing with the list.

"Experts are going through the material looking for key words of
copyrighted material. Everything not copyrighted will be returned," she
said.

Two federal judges denied Lane's request Tuesday for a hearing in which
Wollersheim and Penny could have presented their cases against handing
over the seized materials to the church, Lane said.:

"This country is founded on principles of due process, and this is as far
from due process as you can get," he said.

But regardless of the outcome of the federal civil suits behind the raids,
many of the church texts have been downloaded into hard drives across the
country already, said Penny, the retired founder of the Boulder software
company Small Systems Design Inc.

"They're already everywhere; they'll be popping up on the net. Certainly
not from us, but that no longer matters," he said.

From The Longmont Daily Times Call Aug 22 1995 Front Page
HEADLINE: Marshals raid homes in county

Pam Regensberg and B.J. Plasket The Daily Times-Call

NIWOT-U S. Marshals raided Niwot and Boulder homes today seizing computer
software, hardware and other electronic gear to halt what the Church of
Scientology claims is copyright infringement.

Church officials claim Bob Penny of Niwot and Larry Wollersheim of
Boulder, who were both reportedly excommunicated from the church, placed
copyrighted Scientology material on the Internet.

However, Penny, speaking through a friend over the telephone today, said
the material that was placed on the Internet was legally obtained
information from court documents. The material placed on the electronic
bulletin board was information taken from a California case in which
Steven Fishman sued the church and won over a similar copyright case.

At noon today, marshals were boxing up Penny's be

See RAID/A9

RAID: Continued from page A1
longings.

According to a press release issued by a church spokesperson, today's
search and seizure follows a similar raid 10 days ago on a colleague of
Wollersheim's and Penny's in Virginia.

"The courts take these matters very seriously," said the plaintiff's
Denver lawyer, Todd Blakely. "The law is clear-if you are going to violate
copyrights, you will have to answer for it in court."

Gail Armstrong, a spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology in Los
Angeles; scoffed at claims the materials were in the public domain because
they were contained in a public court record.

"The fact that copyrighted material is contained in a court record does
not at all mean the copyright can be violated," she said. "Anything filed
in court does not become public domain if it is copyrighted."

Helena Kobrin, cited by the church as an intellectual property law expert,
also discounted the argument that Wollersheim and Penny's right to free
speech allows them to place the copyrighted material on the Internet.

"Violators of copyright and trade secret laws traditionally try to hide
behind free speech claims," she said. "The church is a strong advocate of
free speech, however free speech does not mean free theft and no one has
the right to cloak themselves in the First Amendment to break the law."

Tina Rowe, the head of the U.S. Marshal's office in Denver, was
unavailable for comment on the raid at press time this afternoon.


From the Longmont Daily times Call Aug 23 1995 Front Page
HEADLINE: SPEECH VS. RELIGION

SUBHEAD: Ex-Scientologist says church duped judge into issuing warrant

Pam Regensberg and B.J. Plasket The Daily Times-Call

NIWOT-Bob Penny continues to deny the Church of Scientology's allegations
that he violated United States copyright laws, despite a court order to
hand over items believed to contain secret church information.

The 53-year-old ex-Scientologist said church officials somehow duped a
judge into issuing a search and seizure order.

Three church members along with their photographers and U.S. marshals
showed up at Penny's Niwot home Tuesday at 9 a.m. with the order in hand.

"It's the sort of thing the Church of Scientology does all the time,"
Penny said.

The church has accused Penny and Larry Wollersheim of Boulder of placing
private church information on an electronic bulletin

 See PENNY/All
PENNY:
Continued from Page A1
board they established.

The information includes steps to "spiritual enlightenment."

Penny denies that, but admits to placing information about cults on the
Fight Against Coercive Tactics Network (FACTNet Inc.,), that was run from
Penny's home.

In a brochure supplied by FACTNet, the board of directors - Penny,
Wollersheim and Jon Atack-describe themselves at "victims of coercive mind
control."

Penny claims the Church of Scientology is a dangerous cult that is
responsible for 300 suicides or attempted suicides. The organization is
the brainchild of L. Ron Hubbard, author of Dianetics. Penny was a member
for 13 years before he left.

Deborah Danos, director of special affairs for the church, said the
information Penny put on the Internet is not readily available to the
public. It can be obtained only as each member advances to the next step
of "spiritual enlightenment."

"There is freedom of speech, but not freedom to break copyrights," Danos
said at Penny's home on Tuesday. "He's making a mockery of it ...
spreading (material) around the world and saying 'Look how ridiculous this
is.' " The church became aware of the sit uation when one of its members
found the information about Scientology on the Internet.

Danos said the church will not allow it to continue.

Tina Rowe, who heads the U.S. Marshal's Office in Denver, said the seizure
was a routine execution of a federal court order. Computer software,
hardware, a fax machine and several files were taken from Penny's home. In
Boulder, a similar operation took pl ace at Wollersheim's home.

"This was not at all an unusual thing," Rowe said Tuesday. "We got an
order from the federal court and are carrying it out. "It is still in
progress and is going along smoothly. It has been a situation without
incident."

Rowe said she is not familiar with the details of the case-only the order
to seize certain items from the homes.

Wollersheim claims he is being denied due process. The marshals just
showed up and began taking items.

Ann Weber, Penny's friend who was with him during the seizure, said Penny
was not surprised when the marshals arrived.

He called her and told her, "Now you will believe when I told you this is
what they do."

A federal judge is now reviewing the search and seizure order. But, for
now, Penny and Wollersheim are out of business.




 Now how on earth has this women not ever given a court deposition in the past????

 Quote taken from Deborah Quinn Danos recent Sandy Springs Ga deposition.

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23 Q (By Ms. Henderson) Have you ever been deposed
24 before?
25 A No.

 I find it interesting that an individual so involved with US MARSHAL'S in a lawsuit AND an onsite search and seizure has never be deposed in the past. Or during divorce proceedings? Quess thats just me thinking out load here.

 Then as I Google a little further, I fall out of my chair over Deborah Quinn Danos past DSA actions as a Boulder Colorado counter protester.

http://www.skeptictank.org/gs/sci413.htm
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(3) I asked Deb Danos if she thought a post containing six lines from
    OTVII could be cancelled by the cult.  She said "yes".  Deb also
    mentioned that the cancellations has been brought up in court Friday,
    but she didn't mention any details.
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(6) Gender:  At the Boulder picket, there were two male scientologists when
    we started:  Anderson and Bob.  The other three pickets, Deb, and the
    rest (Until Rex Fowler and the clear showed up) were all females.  Do
    you think this was intentional?

 Now where have I heard the name REX FOWLER before??? Rex Fowler was a fellow counter protester with Deb Danos in Boulder Colorado. William Rex Fowler is a HIGH LEVEL public scientologist. An OT-7 if I am correct. Well it seems Mr Fowler may have done something horrible to a father and former employee. Please read below.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/28/rex-fowler-scientology-co_n_440371.html

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14853655
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No bail for accused murderer Rex Fowler
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BRIGHTON — An Adams County District Court judge today ordered William Rex Fowler, 58, to face first-degree murder charges in the Dec. 31, 2009 shooting of Tom Ciancio.

Judge Francis Wasserman also denied bail for Fowler.

Fowler is accused of shooting Ciancio, 42, three times in the head with a 9mm Glock handgun when Ciancio came to Fowler Software in unincorporated Adams County to collect $9,900 in severance pay. Ciancio, who was Fowler Software's chief operating officer, resigned Nov. 23 in a dispute over the way the company was being managed.

Prosecutors said during a preliminary hearing today that Fowler lured Ciancio to his office to commit a murder suicide.

Investigators say Fowler shot Ciancio three times in the head and then shot himself under the chin in attempt to end his own life.

Prosecutors said they found notes written by Fowler to his wife, and also a living will they say indicated he was going to commit suicide after taking Ciancio's life.

"Fowler took care of his own business before he took care of his own suicide," the prosecutor said.

Fowler's attorney said at worst, her client should face second-degree murder charges.

"This was a professional dispute and it was not based on first-degree murder," defense attorney Sarah Quinn said.

http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library.php?t=William+Rex+Fowler

 IF I were say legal counsel, which I am not, I would vet the above information, then think long and hard about some of the responses made by Deborah Quinn Danos within her deposition to the attorney questioning her on behalf of the City of Sandy Springs Georgia in this current RLUIPA case.



















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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #109 on: December 29, 2010, 17:39 »
This post will likely be of interest to anyone following the RLUIPA case: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,6309.msg15136.html#msg15136

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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #110 on: December 29, 2010, 21:08 »
Now how on earth has this women not ever given a court deposition in the past????
...
 IF I were say legal counsel, which I am not, I would vet the above information, then think long and hard about some of the responses made by Deborah Quinn Danos within her deposition to the attorney questioning her on behalf of the City of Sandy Springs Georgia in this current RLUIPA case.

It is possible to be involved in a lawsuit without being deposed.  I'm not saying this is the case with Deb Danos, but the court must deal in known facts, not speculation.   ;)

I'm sure Ms. Henderson is aware that sometimes people lie, even in depositions. 

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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #111 on: January 17, 2011, 08:26 »
I'm not sure whether this was mentioned elsewhere or not, but apparently the church has filed two lawsuits (Deposition of Deb Danos), one in federal court and the other in state court. If so, it would have been filed in Fulton County (probably a land use appeal).

While no one can predict what a judge will do, the federal case does not appear to have much merit.

On a lighter note, the church's law firm (Dillard and Galloway), does not list them on its website as one of their representative clients.


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« Reply #112 on: January 17, 2011, 08:55 »
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On a lighter note, the church's law firm (Dillard and Galloway), does not list them on its website as one of their representative clients.
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LOL

We were aware of the other case. I don't believe much of anything has been posted about it. Your assessment of the federal case is appreciated.


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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #113 on: January 17, 2011, 11:30 »
skydog has done some much appreciated analysis on the Federal case over at ESMB: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=19468
(Y'all just ignore all that off-topic stuff going on in that thread, ok?  ;) )

Thanks, skydog.   L-O-:

On a lighter note, the church's law firm (Dillard and Galloway), does not list them on its website as one of their representative clients.

Why am I not surprised?   8-^*
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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #114 on: January 17, 2011, 20:37 »
Just curious if you can tell us, skydog, after all these declarations, depositions and the motion for summary judgement, what's next? 

How does a case like this usually continue?  I mean, what is the legal procedure, what will get filed next, and when is it likely to go to court?

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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #115 on: January 19, 2011, 13:53 »
A motion for summary judgment can be filed in a civil (not criminal) case by either (sometimes by both) the plaintiff or the defendant. It essentially says there are no facts in dispute and the issue to be resolved is a question of law. The judge will now look at all the affidavits, depositions, and stipulations of facts, etc. filed by the parties to determine whether there are any disputed facts that need to be decided by a magistrate or jury. If the court concludes that there is no genuine dispute as to any  "material facts", the court will review the law and decide the case on the facts presented. A material fact is a fact that will affect the outcome of the case. For example, in the Headley labor case, the trial court concluded as a matter of law (wrongly in my opinion) that Marc and Claire were religious volunteers rather than employees. If the court determines there are disputed facts that will affect its decision, it will schedule a hearing either before a jury or magistrate to decide those facts.

The next step in the process is that court will schedule oral arguments on the motion for summary judgment and it may be several months after that before a decision is made. Since the city of Sandy Springs filed the motion, if granted, the court will enter judgment for them. If the court denies the motion, it means that there will be a trial.







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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #116 on: January 22, 2011, 16:02 »
Thanks once more, skydog.  I appreciate your patience with the questions.

So if the judge decides to accept the summary judgement, it would be over?  That is, once he decides whether the city is entitled to costs of the lawsuit or now?

Is it then possible for the "church" to appeal the decision?  And is this a precident-setting type of case?
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Re: RLUIPA Law Suit Filed by Church of Scientology of Georgia
« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2011, 21:13 »
Do you have any idea when will the judge rule on these? Most likely the motion to strike will come first - but I'm curious when it will all be ruled on.
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« Reply #119 on: January 31, 2011, 18:40 »
I have no idea myself, but skydog said it might be several months.  I guess it's true what they say abut "the wheels of justice."

I have to wonder what they're spending on lawyer's fees for this - it could have gone to pay the rent at their N. Shallowford location, or for upkeep and renovations on the building itself.  I hope Attorney Galloway didn't make any kinds of deals with them like "I'll get the rezoning approved, or your RLUIPA case is free."   :D
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