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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2010, 20:00 »

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The biggest danger is trying to convince the government, on a political level, that Scientology is not a religion. Why? They don't CARE. The Government – on any level within the United States – has no ability to determine what is and is not a religion.

Didn't the great white father in Washington, (The IRS) give the cult religious status in the USA back in 1993?

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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2010, 21:37 »
There is a difference between "Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion in the United States" and "The US government declared Scientology to be a legitimate religion / gave Scientology religious status," IMVHO. The government does not pass that kind of judgment, and, if it did, it would definitely be a violation of Separation of Church and State.

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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2010, 22:16 »
EDIT: Ooops! I should have read your post more closely Lorelei; you were making my exact point (below). Sorry!

Ermmm, Lorelei; just a little more reading would have let you know that the U.S. government does not recognize any organization as a 'Religion', merely as tax-exempt, or not. (If you already knew this, please forgive my presumption.)

BTW, we have, as a group, made fun of their pretense at religion on a regular basis. Might I start justifying that assertion by mentioning the delight taken by all in the Volcano, and E-meter cakes? I really don't see the harm in making fun of any religion (even the eight-fold path of the Buddha, which is faultless), since they are all either primitive superstitions or modern con games imho. (Except for the ones who have guns and are willing to shoot me for being an infidel - those are all Absolute Revealed Truth!)

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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2010, 22:27 »
There is a difference between "Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion in the United States" and "The US government declared Scientology to be a legitimate religion / gave Scientology religious status," IMVHO. The government does not pass that kind of judgment, and, if it did, it would definitely be a violation of Separation of Church and State.

It is a delicate distinction, but an all-important one.
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Wiki..Scientology is officially recognized as a religion in the United States. Recognition came in 1993, when the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) stated that "[Scientology is] operated exclusively for religious and charitable purposes."

I guess my question here would be, what is the definition of The United States Government? Who "Officially recognized" scientology as a religion? Would not one consider the IRS a government entity? Then the IRS states scientology operates exclusively for religious and charitable purposes, would this not lend one to view this an approval from said government entity?

The lines are very blurred here. Those lines being separation of church and state.
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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2010, 23:23 »
To further blurr the lines between church and state. Take the (Pledge of allegiance)

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The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


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In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged CONGRESS to add the words "UNDER GOD," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

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"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."


God? As in,God being the English name given to a singular omnipotent being in theistic and deistic religions (and other belief systems) whom is either the sole deity in monotheism, or a principal deity in polytheism


Hmmm. Seems the United States government can approve a God for we the people, why not a religion?


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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2010, 23:32 »
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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2010, 05:57 »
I believe Eisenhower is also responsible for IN GOD WE TRUST being put on our currency.
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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2010, 09:00 »
I believe Eisenhower is also responsible for IN GOD WE TRUST being put on our currency.

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 It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins. In a letter to the Mint Director on December 9, 1863, Secretary Chase stated:

 I approve your mottoes, only suggesting that on that with the Washington obverse the motto should begin with the word OUR, so as to read OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY. And on that with the shield, it should be changed so as to read: IN GOD WE TRUST.

 The Congress passed the Act of April 22, 1864. This legislation changed the composition of the one-cent coin and authorized the minting of the two-cent coin. The Mint Director was directed to develop the designs for these coins for final approval of the Secretary. IN GOD WE TRUST first appeared on the 1864 two-cent coin

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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2010, 19:34 »
Thanks for the info!
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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2010, 14:27 »
But but but ... VMs with no medical training KNOW how a field hospital needs to be run!

I mean ... they know that the water used as x-ray shields is PERFECTLY safe to drink!

They know that hospital beds MUST be set up in a perfect grid pattern, no matter what!

They know that moving bodies and such out of the hospital area just leads to chaos!

I mean, well, they all had someone there to make sure the VMs had plenty of food and water ... but ... the field hospital didn't have any!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePC293uf8rY

(Read my above comments as total sarcasm, PLEASE!)

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Georgia State Senator Honors Los Angeles-based Scientology Disaster Response ... - PR-inside.com (press release)
7 March 2010, 2:27 am



Donzella James presented Georgia State Resolution SR998 to the Scientology Volunteer Ministers Corps for “selfless service to the nation of Haiti,” at a meeting of Haiti volunteers at the Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre International in Hollywood.

Senator James acknowledged the Volunteer Ministers recently returned from disaster relief service in Haiti. “On January 12th the earth opened up and swallowed Port-au-Prince and other parts of Haiti. I have been to Haiti and I saw the poverty. I thought nothing could be worse. But you helped when it was even worse than I could ever imagine. You did
what you could, unselfishly.”

Some 250 Volunteer Ministers have rotated through Haiti, with 100 currently on the ground, providing logistics support for medical teams in Port-au-Prince General Hospital and the University of Miami Hospital tent.

Scientology Volunteer Minister Ayal Lindeman, also a licensed practical nurse and emergency medical technician, was the backbone of the Haiti relief action. A veteran of 10 disasters, including Ground Zero after the 9/11 attacks and Hurricanes Charley, Katrina and Rita, his work organizing the care of the patients at Port-au-Prince General Hospital saved countless lives. Speaking to the assembled Volunteer Ministers, he reminded the Haiti veterans that the job has only started.

Registered Nurse Kimberly Williams, co-owner of Hill Street Community Wellness Center in Los Angeles, wanted to go to Haiti, so when she heard the Church of Scientology was transporting medical personnel, she signed on and left January 21 on a Church-sponsored charter. In Haiti she worked in a clinic near the Presidential Palace, assisting in operations including amputations and other life-saving procedures, and provided urgently needed medical care to more than 400 patients each day.

more at http://www.pr-inside.com/georgia-state-senator-honors-los-angeles-based-r1759819.htm
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This seems to be an attempt to lend more credibility to the Volunteer Ministers (VM's) after this video surfaced:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePC293uf8rY

There has been some speculation that the water removed from the facility by the VM's may have been IV bags or a makeshift radiological protection for a radiology department. There was no indication in the video that the VM's had permission to remove medical supplies from the facility during a disaster and concerns have been raised as to the safety of the water if exposed to radiation. 

Also, Donzella James is featured in this video at the Celebrity Center in L.A.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsUQQi8SUy8
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I think that Ellen Bennett's video is a bell that can't be unrung; her self-serving blog doesn't help her case, either.

Everyone already heard her arrogant claim that the Vulture Ministers were "running the hospital" and setting those trained medical professionals straight, because only Scilons can truly help anyone, donchaknow. Ask Tom Cruise! They are the authorities! Respect their AUTHORITAH!

Everyone already saw her and her VM friends cavorting on the beach in bikinis and shorts.

Everyone already heard her admit that the VMs helped themselves to what they assumed was potable water without asking any personnel if they could, and to take something that is not yours--even with the best intentions--is stealing; said water packets may have been functioning as a makeshift radiation shield at the hospital, thus removal of those packets, besides being theft, may have endangered medically fragile people and the hospital personnel.

Speaking of water, everyone already heard her feign concern about how the victims in Haiti were in desperate need of water to drink; this did not stop her from whining that she had barely enough water to "shave her legs." Wat.

Everyone already heard her talking about eating huge meals (while the victims remained hungry) and several portions of these meals at that (THREE dinners?), how she got to sleep in a real bed in a real hotel with Internet and a buffet while displaced persons were left homeless and without shelter, and how she got some of the female Haitian victims to cornrow her hair for her. Nice one, arrogant Scilon jerk.

Everyone also heard her describing their super-helpful techniques that no doubt really solved a lot of these poor Haitians' problems: in short, they ran around poking them with their fingers (and then thanking them if they could FEEL the VM's fingers poking them, yay for touch assists) and basically scuttling from one victim to another as quickly as they could. WOW.

So they are taking up space, shelter, water and supplies that victims could be using, and making the victims do their hair and only offering stupid cult recruitment pamphlets and finger prodding in return. HOORAY FOR PR PHOTOS!
Oh, did you see the bit where Ellen Bennett talks about hoarding cans of tuna fish for herself, because it is apparently high in demand and she doesn't want anyone else to take "her" tuna? Place your bets: do you think she (or Scientology) actually PAID FOR that tuna?

Though she doesn't mention it, the Scienos left a bunch of non-Scieno medical personnel behind when heading to Haiti. On the way back, the Scienos tried to get non-Scieno volunteers to pay for their airfare.

Why are we surprised that the Scienos are tooting their own horn? That's one of the two reasons they are there: to pretend they actually do or offer or pay for anything useful for the needy (to counteract the well-deserved negative criticism they have so richly earned) while taking lots of pix and videos of them "helping" for PR purposes, and to indoctrinate new gullible people into the cult.



ETA: It will be interesting to see what happens when the people / groups who are actually providing useful assistance get back to the US. I am guessing that people who are actually doing anything useful do not have time to blog and take pictures of themselves preening, or to hoard tuna fish and meals and water that the victims need far more than some snotty VM, or to make videos for YouTube talking about how TOADLEE AWESUM Scientology is. We'll probably see the usual irritated commentary from legitimate aid workers about how the VMs got in their way, didn't bother to bring their own supplies or ask before appropriating other people's supplies, and acted like they were doing anything remotely helpful. That's always what happens. The VMs rush in to get their promo pix and to document how TOADLEE AWESUM they are for "helping," HURF DURF, DERP DERP DERP, while the actually useful people and groups have to deal with their ineptitude, arrogance, and parasitic consumption of resources meant for the victims, and don't have any spare time to go play on the beach, play on the Internet, take photos, or get their hair done.
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 Stupid politician is VERY stupid! >:( I would suggest you the citizen go and attend a legislative meeting here in Georgia @ the capital. You will walk away ashamed. I hereby make this proclamation. "Complete idiots run amok within the halls of our state government"!

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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2010, 10:41 »
I mean, well, they all had someone there to make sure the VMs had plenty of food and water ... but ... the field hospital didn't have any!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePC293uf8rY

She certainly is critical of everything there, going on about how disorganized everything is - what does she expect?  Perfect order after an earthquake?  People to stop and organize everything before helping the victims?  I bet it's still disorganized, and the VMs have been there how long now?  Perhaps they should spend their time organizing the MEST, instead of poking people and handing out radiated water.
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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2010, 11:06 »
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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2010, 11:29 »
We are the richest country on earth, and it took weeks to get a comprehensive response to Hurricane Katrina, and the damage it did, not just to New Orleans, but to a large chunk of the Mississippi, Louisiana, and Alabama coasts. The tragedy in Haiti involves human suffering on a scale to dwarf even the biggest Gulf hurricanes. The thought of cult-following young people, who appear to be ignorant of the ways of normal society, getting in the way of competent volunteers, sickens me.

Anything for publicity, eh?

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Did Scientology Haiti 'ministers' use poisoned water? - p2pnet.net
8 March 2010, 9:10 am



Did Scientology Haiti 'ministers' use poisoned water?

Watch in disgust as one of Scientology’s clueless ‘volunteer minsters’ in Haiti boasts about stealing water-filled radiation shields from a radiology room to distribute as drinking water”, says a The Pirate Bay post.

more including video at http://www.p2pnet.net/story/36694
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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2010, 13:25 »
Could these women who pushed the resolutions be members of the National Foundation of Women Legislators?

http://www.lermanet.com/nfwl.htm

more here: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/researchfags-nfwl-scilon-spotting-capitol-hill-42437/
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Re: Ignorant and Disgraceful! Georgia Senate Resolutions
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2010, 19:37 »
^^^

If they are / were, Anonymous will find that out in short order. :)
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